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FLKook
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706 posts, Apr 2001

posted 10-01-2003 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm no Libertarian but they're not anarchists either, for the most part they are pro-constitution. In this regard they are at least taking a proactive stance in restoring the constitutional republic we were founded as. THIS COUNTRY IS NOT A DEMOCRACY, NEVER MEANT TO BE ONE! EVERYONE'S GOT THAT BY NOW RIGHT??.....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34874

New Hampshire wins 'free state' vote
Thousands of libertarians to move to state, work for more liberty

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Posted: October 1, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A group of 4,500 libertarians who all agreed to move to one state to work toward restoring certain personal liberties and limited government has voted to choose the state of New Hampshire as a new home.

The Free State Project, which has been collecting commitments from members to move to the winning state for two years, announced the results of its balloting this morning. Ten states were under consideration, with New Hampshire prevailing over Montana, Wyoming, Delaware, Vermont, Maine, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota and Alaska.

Leaders of the Free State Project now hope to recruit another 15,500 people to migrate to New Hampshire, hoping to "reinforce and enhance the 'sphere of individual liberty' in the Live Free or Die state," said a statement by the group. It is the participants' goal to "preserve one bastion of freedom in the age of intrusive government."

As WorldNetDaily reported, Jan Helfield, a Falls Creek, Va.-based attorney and Libertarian Party activist, is one of the group's leaders.

"The Free State Project proposes to identify the easiest state in the union to free, and then relocate 20,000 people to implement the liberation," he wrote last year. "The people interested in moving will sign up with FSP and vote on the state selected to be freed."

The 20,000 newly relocated activists "would permit Libertarians to register large numbers of new voters to vote Libertarian, a factor that could easily make the difference and lead to a Libertarian victory," Helfield said.

"We could end state redistribution of wealth, repealing state taxes and wasteful government programs. We could privatize education and utilities. We could repeal laws regulating guns, drugs and other victimless crimes. We could abolish asset forfeiture, abuses of eminent domain, inefficient regulations and state monopolies."

The group's statement said organizers expect the first wave of movers to migrate to New Hampshire by year's end.

The runner-up state was Wyoming.

"New Hampshire is clearly the consensus choice of Free Staters," commented FSP president and Yale political science professor Jason Sorens on the group's website. "New Hampshire won a plurality of first-preference votes from every region of the country except the West."

"It's not difficult to see the reasons for New Hampshire's victory," said FSP Vice President Elizabeth McKinstry, who is originally from New England. "The state boasts the lowest state and local tax burden in the continental U.S., the leanest state government in the country in terms of government spending and employment, a citizen legislature, a healthy job market, and perhaps most important, local support for our movement."

According to the group, New Hampshire Gov. Craig Benson pledged to support the aims of the FSP, and several members of the legislature have signed up as members.

The group says if current recruitment trends continue, organizers expect to reach 20,000 commitments by 2006, after which point members would have five years in which to move to New Hampshire.

Noted Tim Condon, FSP director of member services, "The member survey shows that 53 percent of members plan to move within three years, not waiting for the 20,000-member benchmark. Early movers should help recruitment by building a record of success."

Not all in New Hampshire were thrilled with the prospect of thousands of libertarians moving in.

"I like to be left alone by the government. But I need my trash picked up. I need police protection," Dennis Pizzimenti, a lawyer in Concord, told the Associated Press.

The news service reported Kathy Sullivan, state Democratic Party chairwoman, said project members "can best be described as anarchists."


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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34874

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'Free State Project' seeks
to restore liberty
Activists plan to move to 1 area, then 'implement the liberation'

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Posted: October 14, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Jon Dougherty
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

A new political movement is afoot in the U.S. that calls for 20,000 activists to move to one state and peacefully take over its governments before systematically restoring various personal liberties organizers say have been eroding in this nation for several decades.

Jan Helfield, a Falls Creek, Va.-based attorney and Libertarian Party activist, says the time is right for his Free State Project to lead the way toward significant political change.

"The Free State Project proposes to identify the easiest state in the union to free, and then relocate 20,000 people to implement the liberation," he says in an essay provided to WorldNetDaily. "The people interested in moving will sign up with FSP and vote on the state selected to be freed."

Helfield has identified 10 "candidate states": Alaska, Delaware, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming.

Here's the plan:

"If 20,000 Libertarian activists moved to Delaware, they would already have between 11 and 17 percent of the necessary votes in a three-way race. Twenty thousand Libertarian activists should be able to persuade the remaining necessary voters to vote for a Libertarian candidate. If that's not doable, then none of the Libertarian races are. In any event, Libertarians would certainly achieve some political power.

"As far as money is concerned, if Libertarians focus their spending, they would be competitive in many sparsely populated states. In Wyoming, Vermont and North Dakota, the total campaign spending by all House and Senate candidates in the most expensive election of the last six years was around $4.5 million for each state. Libertarians spent about $5 million in the 2000 presidential election. (The LP spent $3.6 million and the [Harry] Browne campaign spent $1.5 million.) Thus, we would have reasonable parity in campaign spending if we focused on one state."

The 20,000 newly relocated activists "would permit Libertarians to register large numbers of new voters to vote Libertarian, a factor that could easily make the difference and lead to a Libertarian victory," he said.

A win in a single vulnerable state means the "cause" gains two U.S. senators, one or two members of Congress, a state governor and hundreds of local political positions. "This is a thousand times as much political power as Libertarians have today," said Helfield.

After victory, then what?

"We could end state redistribution of wealth, repealing state taxes and wasteful government programs," Helfield says. "We could privatize education and utilities. We could repeal laws regulating guns, drugs and other victimless crimes. We could abolish asset forfeiture, abuses of eminent domain, inefficient regulations and state monopolies."

Ultimately, according to the FSP website, the newly won "free state" would negotiate "directly with the federal government for appropriate political autonomy." No bloody revolution, no civil war, no fighting. In fact, Helfield's plan envisions using the American electoral system to recreate the kind of state autonomy envisioned by the nation's founders.

"May it be to the world, what I believe it to be, the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government," founder and third President of the United States Thomas Jefferson wrote in a speech he was to have delivered July 4, 1826 – the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence and the day he died.

As the leader of the Democratic Republicans, Jefferson criticized the rival Federalists, opposed a strong centralized government and championed the rights of states.

"The FSP is a new strategy for liberty in our lifetimes," says Helfield. "We don't want to wait decades for most citizens in the U.S. to realize that the nanny state is an insult to their dignity."

As word of the initiative spreads, analysts are hard at work researching all candidate states, he said. Once membership in the project reaches 5,000, FSP will select its state. Current membership is at 1,000.

"What can one free state do for other states in the union? Quite a bit. Given the nature of the Senate, two senators can do a lot of obstructing in the name of freedom," said Helfield. "Also, given the delicate political balance between the Democrats and Republicans, two Libertarian senators could have the balance of power on many issues."

According to Helfield, a "free state" can also serve as a model for others to follow. "The peace and prosperity within the free state would be a concrete example of the benefits of freedom, serving as a powerful argument for the liberation of other states," he said, adding that anyone who wanted the immediate benefits of the free state could "vote with their feet" and relocate there.

Helfield's idea is beginning to catch on with others.

"Our free country is broken because Americans have increasingly become a culture of ever more dependence on government and of using government power against one's neighbors for nearly any issue great or small," writes Joseph A. Swyers, a small business owner and Leadville, Colo., city councilman, in his essay, "Changing State Government from the Bottom Up."

"In America, the abuse of power has been predominantly enabled by the state governments," said Swyers. "And states have directly used power against individuals, families and communities."

Noted columnist and economist Walter Williams also supports the concept.

"All but your highly trained legal scholars, politicians and bureaucrats – and others having contempt for the founding principles – will agree: Yes, Congress has exceeded its delegated powers. And, yes, states have a right to take back (resume) powers delegated to the federal government – in a word the right to secede from the Union," he wrote in his Aug. 7 column.

Helfield says the benefits of creating even a single free state would be enormous in terms of restoring personal freedom and liberty.

"People that respect other people's rights are more likely to be independent, responsible, fair, friendly and fun-loving," he said. "Consequently, you are more likely to be surrounded by good people if you move to a free state."

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posted 10-01-2003 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks you for sharing this, FLK. People ask me fairly regularly, "But Chem, what can we do? How do we CHANGE things?"

What the Libertatians are doing is the only way to accomplish lasting change anywhere in this country. You have to stack the deck and load the dice that the people have in their hands. By organizing into large-scale affinity agroups, electing our own politicians and sheriffs and drafting our own legislation, we can create a literal domcracy on a local level.

What amazes me is that the Libertarians are actually doing it. This is the first I've heard of this, and if these folks are smart they will centralize in a specific location in NH and work outwards from there.

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The news service reported Kathy Sullivan, state Democratic Party chairwoman, said project members "can best be described as anarchists."

It's comments like these that convince me that voting for a Democrat is no different than voting for the ghost of Mussolini. Despite their namesake, they seem to hold real democracy to the same level of disdain as their Republican counterparts. Two heads of the same rusty, wothless coin.

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THIS COUNTRY IS NOT A DEMOCRACY, NEVER MEANT TO BE ONE! EVERYONE'S GOT THAT BY NOW RIGHT??.....

Yeah, I've got it, believe me. All that "We The People" crap was just a soundbite for the cannon fodder that fought to deliver elitist slave owners from the Queen's tax collectors. Change is the only constant in the universe, though.

Maybe democracy is a concept whose time is coming...


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FLKook
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posted 10-01-2003 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I meant Chem is that we are a constitutional republic based on democratic principles under rule of law. Democracy as it goes is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner...no protection for minorities, nothing more than mob rule.

Democracy was decried heartily by the founding fathers and for good reason. The misnomer of the U.S. being a democracy is today bantied about by the media and current politicians (not to mention taught in the government indoctrination centers....errrr schools) and is all part of that different sides of the same rusty (illumiati, nwo, globalist)coin.

Pardon the crappy grammer, tired.

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posted 10-01-2003 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, you subscribe to a sort of Ron Paul vision of Republicanism, which I can relate to FLK, but that vision is pretty far from the reality of how the Republic is governed.

Protection of minorites? I guess if you define imprisonment as being custodial in nature, then we're doing a damn good job of protecting them. Last time I checked, half of black men in this country will serve time in American jails. If Jeb Bush's junkie daughter wasn't the lilly white daughter of a Republican politician, she'd be spending the next 5-10 climbing the walls.

Now, that's what I call 'protection'... but it sure doesn't extend any farther than the Governor's mansion.

I can't help wondering what anarchist mob it is that the anti-democracy Democrats and anti-democracy Reublicans keep saving us from, though. The dozen or so black bloc types that show up at anti-globalization demos? Or is is the majority (there's that foul word again) of people that are entitled to vote but don't bother because there is no one that that represents their interests?

Not being arguementative... just chatty.

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Funny you mention that Chem 11.

Turns out a lot of those "black bloc" troublemakers who get violent at protests turn out to be PROVACATURES..be it CIA or FBI. In order to discredit.

As for New Hampshire....

People there are very friendly and will help you out in a pinch. Got caught in a bad snowstorm there once and I'll never forget the help I recieved.

I love the motto.."Live free or die".

Geographically..its of the most beautiful of the northeast states. If you have never seen the White Mountains..you are missing out.
They are home to some of the worst weather in the entire world. Ive spent many days and weeks traversing the Presidential range and the Mahoosic range on foot. Unbeliveable landscape like nowhere else on earth. Even the french Alps dont compare.

On Mt Washington the highest wind was recorded ever on earth at 251 mph.

http://www.mountwashington.org/photos/index.html


I recommend anyone going on vacation to the Northeast to visit the Presidential Range in New Hampshire. The landscape represents what America is all about.

The clean, cool air alone is worth the trip.




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posted 10-02-2003 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chem11   Visit Chem11's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the linky, Mech. More pics:



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posted 10-02-2003 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chem, I agree completely. How we are "run" today is no where near the original vision for this republic. We are more and more a socialist "democracy".

Ahhhh New Hampshire. I highly recommed the Darbyfield Inn. A wonderful upscale B&B. We saw a moose in the wild on one of their private hiking trails.
http://www.darbyfield.com/

Take the Cog Rail http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/whites/cog_rr.html up Mt. Wash. one day and the road the next, it's like two different places!

Ahhhh New Hampshire, the beaches aren't half bad either!

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We are more and more a socialist "democracy".

Yeah, what with our wonderful universal health care coverage and a leader elected by the majority of the voters... how else to describe our modern day utopia?

No, I'm afraid our present-day woes are a direct result of the marriage of military and industrial interests whose profit-driven agendas are rubber-stamped by unbelievably corrupted career politicians.

I don't call that democracy or socialism... but your mileage may vary.

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