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posted 12-18-2003 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Show-Me Truth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where have all the Conservatives gone?

While I am politically best described as an independent, having voted for among others such diverse people as Perot and Harry Browne,I value many typically "Conservative" ideals. The ideas of people like Republican Ron Paul and even some ideas of Pat Buchanan I can relate to. If the Republican party would ever move over to these ideals I would be happy to vote Republican, but with the so called "neo-cons" runnin the show I may for the first time in years vote Democrat.

The neo-cons Lust for power for the Exectutive Branch is scary at worst and ominous at best. How can Republicans that slammed Clinton for Big Gov, even sleep at night. I don't mean to be partisan at all, I just follow the Supposed Republican Doctrine of Small Government and this is NO small government. Our debt is 6.9 Trillion and soon to reach over 40 trillion.

Ashcroft from my own state used to be appreciated here, now many people see him as the Slayer of The Bill of Rights. I remember him Repeatedly slamming Clinton for abuse of The Constitution, now he has become what he despised.

What happened to 'conservative' Rush Limbaugh. How can he become the very thing that he despised? I don't in any way blame Rush for any addiction he may or may not have, I just blame him for Blaming others.

What happend to 'conservative' William Bennet the man who advocated being in control of ones 'desires'? Did he become what he despised? 8 Million dollars, would it be fair to say that that was probably an addiction? I don't in any way blame William for his addiction, I just blame him for blaming others.

What happened out in California. How could Republicans vote for for Arnold with alleged and some admitted sexual escapades, but slam Clinton for his sexual affairs? As an independent with strong Libertarian leanings, I have no problem with consenting adults ruling over sexual matters.

Perhaps it's the lies about sex Clinton was said to have told. But where are Republicans in the Congress when it comes to challenging the Bush Cheney lies that led up to this invasion of a non- attacking nation? Manipulating information for war. Which is more serious?

I would love to see the Republican party move away (and the Democratic party) back to a limited government, loving liberty, honoring the Bill of Rights, respecting state and local jurisdiction, lowering taxes, pursuing violent crime and put a stop to wasteful pursuing non-violent consenting "crime".

We should pick up the motto "As Much Freedom as We Can Stand".
That to me is a 'real' conservative.

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posted 12-18-2003 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its scary...It really is.

I don't feel that either party is worth voting for at this point.

To me..the globalists GROOM whoever may make it to the primaries anyway.

Skull and Bones Bush or Skull and Bones Kerry...take your pick.

A one-party state masquarading as a two-party state.

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posted 12-18-2003 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Show-Me Truth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

It is indeed scary, and I'm not easily scared. In a way it's surrealistic. Like watching a funnel cloud in the distance.

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posted 12-18-2003 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think unless there is a renisance'...people honoring what the Constitution staands for...this country called America is doomed..because right now what we have is...

Open borders is good......

Big Government is good...

Government secrecy is good......

Citizen finacial/social spying is good....

Destroying Posse Comitatus is good.....

Big government spending is good......

Secret tribunals is good......

Entering peoples homes without a warrant is good.

Government LIES are good.......


This list goes on..and on...and on...and on..and on!!!

It makes me sick!!!!!!!!


"What happened to 'conservative' Rush Limbaugh."

If my memory serves me well HE said "Anyone caught with drugs should be put in jail for 10 years."

HYPOCRICY comes in all shapes in sizes.

Obviously..the globalists pays Limbaughs salary. Just another shill.

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posted 12-19-2003 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When the elected officials in Washington failed to act on the impeachment of Wm.Clinton,the litnus test for the american people was complete. It said,"These stupid people will accept anything ." There is no difference between a democrat and a republican except the spelling.The latest test for the dumb and drugged down citizens was the removal of the gov. of Calif. with not much complaining.And installing a person that has no experience and the people think they got a good deal. This country is being Enronned into the ground by Bushes. Theses jerks will leave this country in financial ruin and laugh all the way to the bank.Almost like Ferdinand Marcos in the Phillipines,not much different.The taxpayers of this country must be the laughing stock for the world.The Banana Republic has come home to roost.We are now a third world nation or soon to be.If people don't bitch and complain and fight back we get what we deserve.The republican senators and reps have all been bribed or blackmailed to go along.Reminds me of the Cocaine Cartel "You can take the gold or the lead ,the choice is yours' Big choice.

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posted 12-19-2003 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Show-Me Truth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I do not believe I would be too disappointed, to see more Independents run and get into the debates and shake things up. There seems to me to be such a backlash for what I see as the Bush Adm. Lust for Power. I think thats great that many of all partys recogize the REAL danger in ceding so much power to the Executive branch.

I felt overjoyed at hearing the Court decision that charges must be filed against an American Citizen, and that indefinate detention without charges is Unconstitutional. I hope it stands, as in my opinion holding someone for 18 months without even any charges is something a Fascist dictator might do, like the one they Claim they despised. NOT something a country like America LEADING the way is supposed to set the example. If we're gonna have to have an EMPIRE at least let's attempt some measure of not being total hypocrits.

Also today It ws announced there would be no more demonstrations allowed in Iraq, with non-conpliance resulting in being shot.

It's the New World Neo-Democracy. Perhaps a test model for America.

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posted 12-21-2003 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well you know what they say about a democracy.

If 51% of the people want a tyrant in power..it happens.

Not true in a Consstitutional Republic.

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