posted 04-27-2001 10:20 AM            

They say they are a 2nd amendment org, but the reality is they actually help write the bills that are cutting the legs off the 2nd amendment.

posted 04-27-2001 12:10 PM            

I'm convinced that some of TPTB are supernatural, satanic for lack of a better word. Maybe that IS the word. But I also still feel there is an opposite, a supernatual 'good' or God that directs, protects anyone who searches for it, and even for those who don't.

TPTB that are satanic have some control in the physical plane, but not in the spiritual plane where I believe we are headed following our limited time in the physical world.

posted 04-27-2001 12:17 PM            

I think that 'ditto-heads' the name adopted by followers of Rush Limbaugh are an example of a type of brainwashing, just as there are 'liberal' versions of this. The idea is to get people psyched up in some way, using events (staged in many cases) so that they become militant and/or violent.

posted 04-27-2001 02:02 PM            

She was used to seduce power brokers in OPERATION REDLIGHT.

Good homework.

posted 04-27-2001 02:25 PM            

It goes like this:

Part of the Rocky/Thule/Vril plan was to destabalize the family unit, the very core of love, union, and strength. It was decided by The Committee that the best strategy (and after consulting their..."mazters") that this would necessitate a three pronged approach.

1. Unhinge and decimate the mind. Drugs were the answer. It is common knowledge that the agency had a BIG hand in LSD, Pot, and PCP - not only putting it out in HUGE quantities, but actually making 2 of the 3. They setup distribution and used the hippy movement as a convenient cover. THERE IS A TON - A VERITABLE TON OF DATA TO PROOVE this.

2. Create a credit climate, which makes ones debt always larger than one's worth. Need I say more?

3. Establish some kind of movement that would shatter the center of the family unit - the mother - and cause her to make that urge a secondary impulse in her life.

Let's look at number 3 in some detail. How would you take millions of years of loving care giving and kill it out of a woman with a heart? How? And, to do it, you have to make the desire to kill it so real, that the women themselves want to do it?

Easy. Make them believe they are slaves.

If you can find the articles and books of the early 70s, you will find enormous attacks against ANY woman who chooses to be a mother. You are a slave, a tool, a piece of meat, and all that.

Now like with all evil, they took a miter of truth and blew it all out of proportion. It WAS true that women were not being paid the same, were not seen in the same light as men, were treated as sex objects, were considered...blah blah blah.

They needed a spokeswoman. Enter Steinem. Like Rev Jackson (LTC FBI mole, inserted to spy on King's inner circle. See...moles are ALWAYS THERE FROM DAY ONE, SO DON'T BELIEVE CAUSE SHE'S BEEN AROUND FOREVER THAT SHE'S SOME SAINT - there is a guy on the internet...um...Skolnick, who can back this up on Jackson and his BUREAU BUDDIES) she is the new standard of Feminism. Is given enormous media coverage by agency assets, is made editor of a CIA funded Front (Church hearings, 1977) and here she is telling all these women coming of age that "men are pigs and you are a slave honey."

Well, to cut it short, twenty years later and there is no family unit. Drugs and all that have destroyed it. I know of very few whole families.

And now...if you look at the credo of the feminist movement...long term occultists will see this at once...you will notice that it is the same credo as THE GOLDEN DAWN AND THE THULE SOCIETY.

"Do what thou wilt."

posted 04-27-2001 02:52 PM            

They are real experts at drugs, also created 'crack', the extremely addictive version of cocaine. I believe marijuana was more available in the 60's & 70's because they wanted people to calm down, forget about Viet Nam, JFK etc. Now they use crack/meth to keep people cranked up and upset to create more havoc within the U.S. They can justify more authoritarian 'crack'-down because these drugs more often lead to violent crimes. They keep marijuana illegal partly just as another excuse to arrest people and incarcerate them.

The destruction of the family is another thing. That will take lots more time to get into, and I only know a small part, but 'entertainment', docu-dramas, high-profile crimes, infotainment are all part of it. I only had a little bit of info on Steinem, but I do know TPTS/nazis use prostitution/blackmail and all of that just like organized crime only on a larger scale. Look at some of the lyrics to Madonna songs, etc. Now TV poison like Jenny Jones/Springer are solidifying new 'values' and end of morality under the guise of trying to help troubled teens and even pre-teens. Are they really mirroring our society, or trying to direct it? Jenny Jones and Sally Raphael are big on these 'boot-camp' shows, like putting the blame on kids, and showing them a military option. Need to have fresh bodies for future genocidal enterprises, so why not start them early?

Also heard that Deep Throat was actually a CIA/call-girl operation working out of Watergate hotel, but my take was that good elements of Army/military intel (the same that may be supplying our sources of info?...the ones opposed to Gehlen/paperclip), set up Nixon and his nazi cabinet to get him thrown out of office.

posted 04-27-2001 03:28 PM            

Yeah...I didn't even get into entertainment and the boot/sally/jessy whatever are definately directors not followers. The idea, i believe, is to shift blame from the sick social structure, onto the innocent child and destroy their hearts. I hope their is a special place in hell for these talk show nazis.

Right. Pot in 60s to mellow out the rage; meth and crack in the 80s and 90s to create a nation of addicts and slave labor. There is a ton of data on that too, from agents coming in from the cold to hard research.

posted 05-01-2001 04:42 PM            

Private investigator Ted L. Gunderson was dragged kicking and screaming into the
netherworld of Satanism, child kidnapping, drug smuggling and other corruption.

Before he retired in 1979, Gunderson was the FBI Special Agent in Charge (SAC) in Los Angeles. He headed the FBI office, where he had 800 people under him and a yearly budget of over US$24 million. Since then, Gunderson's role as a private investigator and security consultant has led him to expose CIA drug dealing, child kidnapping and trafficking, mind control, and satanic murder-for-hire groups. He has also investigated many high-profile cases like the Dr Jeffrey McDonald case, the McMartin Preschool case, Nebraska's Franklin Cover-up case, the Oklahoma City Bombing case, the Inslaw/Octopus case, and many other real-life criminal conspiracies.

"Shortly after my retirement, I was asked to investigate the Jeffrey R. McDonald case
as a private investigator," said Gunderson in a recent interview. "He's a doctor who
was convicted of murdering his wife and two children at Fort Bragg, North Carolina on
February 17, 1970. I put in about 2,000 hours on the case. He had been convicted and
sentenced to three consecutive life sentences. Much to my surprise, the evidence
that I read, the information I developed...I've established beyond any question of a doubt that this man is absolutely innocent."

Jerry Allen Potter, author of Fatal Justice, a powerful point-by-point refutation of Joe
McGinnis's cover-up book, Fatal Vision, agrees. His book exposes McGinnis's
best-seller as pure fiction.

Gunderson continued: "I obtained a signed confession from Helena Stokely, the girl in
the floppy hat, for those who are familiar with the case. She said Dr McDonald did not
commit these crimes. They were committed, she said '...by my satanic cult group. It
was my initiation into the cult that night,' she said."

After a while, Gunderson realised that the McDonald case was a classic case of US
Government crime and cover-up.

"She gave me detailed information about movements within the house. She told me
she attempted to ride a rocking horse in the child's bedroom that night, but she
couldn't ride it because the spring was broken. The only way she could have known
that was to have been there that night.

"I submitted an 1100-plus page report in March 1981 to Judge William Webster, who w
as then the head of the FBI, with a personal letter to him and to the US Department of
Justice. Much to my surprise, my 19 witnesses including Helena Stokely started
calling me and telling me, 'Hey Ted, they're trying to get me to recant.' And I'm telling
myself, 'That isn't the responsibility of the FBI. The FBI is supposed to gather
information, not destroy it.' And that was my first clue that we had a serious problem
in that case and in the other cases I handled. I noticed in each instance that evidence was destroyed, lost, stolen; that there were strong indications of corruption.

"So I asked myself, 'What's going on here?' And over the years I started gathering
materials. Up until about two years ago, I kept saying, 'There's a loose-knit network
operating in this country, involving drugs, pedophilia, prostitution, corruption, etc.

From my research, I'm convinced it's much more serious. It's much more than a
loose-knit network. It is a conspiracy. And you know how the media goes after you when you use that 'c'-word. And I'm going to prove it to you. By the way, this conspiracy involves pornography, drugs, pedophilia and organised child kidnapping.

"My 'missing children' lecture documents that the Finders, an organisation in
Washington, DC, is a CIA front," said Gunderson. "It's a covert operation involved in international trafficking of children."

He was referring to a US Customs Service report which states that the Finders case
is to be closed because it is "an internal CIA matter".

Gunderson added: "These people - the satanic movement in the world - have set up
preschools for the purpose of getting their hands on our children. The parents drop
them off at nine in the morning and pick them up at night."

posted 05-13-2001 03:41 PM            

President Clinton said in an address to the NEA that he believes his goals for America closely parallel those of the NEA, further stating: "You and I are joined in a common cause, and I believe we will succeed." It has been made clear what the common cause is that the president and the NEA share. It is nothing less than the degradation, domination and destruction of America and the remnants of freedom which remain in the world. Again quoting from the NII Agenda for Action, "Amid technological change and SOCIAL UPHEAVAL, we need gathering spots where we can... weave a (new) social fabric." It is planned that the (new) social fabric will consist of a subservient, servile herd. The president has also promised that "out of CHAOS (social upheaval) shall rise the new world order." Social upheaval and chaos are prerequisites for the new world order, they prepare the way. Chaos and social upheaval are the problems which make the global herd willing to receive the new world order as the solution.

One does not even have to read between the lines to understand what is planned, they have spelled it out clearly. The world can expect "social upheaval" and "chaos". Dr. Dennis Cuddy, a former official in the U.S. Department of Education writes, "When the government begins to treat people in a manner which is beyond freedom and dignity, it is unlimited in the cruelties that will follow. Families are destroyed under the guise of protecting the family, schools become indoctrination centers where all manner of rebellion against parents, morality, love of country and civility are promulgated (under very benevolent, caring people and 'for your own good'). When a nation is ruled by such leaders, there is no way out." Florida Forum , July,1996.

Founding father Samuel Adams said, "While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue they will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader." This prophesy has met its fulfillment in America today. "When a nation transgresses, it has many rulers." Proverbs 28:2.

posted 05-18-2001 09:07 PM            

I too saw the 2 star general on the MSNBC feed. I don’t know what time of the day this was, but it was during the time of the “siege” and I did see these “policemen” with the NATO shields. At first, I didn’t put any emphasis on the matter of the shields, but I was concerned about the general. A person, who understands insignias, would have a problem with this “general.” The problem was/is I couldn’t tell what command he was in (and this is an automatic when looking at a uniform). There was nothing on his uniform which would lead one to believe he was involved with the USAF, U.S. Army, or the U.S. Marines. I know this!!

I am a retired U.S. Army Officer, Colonel with 33 years of service, retiring in 1989. I know uniforms, insignias have not changed this drastically in ten years, so what else is there to think? A UN general…

posted 06-07-2003 01:58 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by defender:
This will blow your mind....
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1350.cfm

The school shootings may have been an organized effort under the Clinton Administration to help destroy the 2nd ammendment and U.S. citizens right to own firearms. To disarm America and to help usher in the NWO.

Check out the maps at this site!

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Mindblowing indeed that:

Bible thumping rightwing paranoids.
(who as this shows)
Blamed Bill Clinton even for the weather overseas http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1350.cfm
>We believe it likely that many disasters involving the Weather
plus other major disasters may have been planned to occur<
>flooding in Venezuela<
And unlike today when the Bush Administration's orchestration of events is so easily seen
by anyone who looks with an open mind.
rightwingnuts stretch more than just the truth to make their whacko conspiracy theories work:
>Remember, the Littleton, Colorado 'Columbine High School' shooting was 85 miles off the line,
telling us that these lines are at least 85 miles wide. <
They did paint with a wide brush is blaming Clinton for every woe on earth, but
lines 85 miles wide takes the cake.
Even that idiotic notion can be exceeded:
>John F. Kennedy, Junior's plane went down < ...
>While his plane apparently did not go down right on the line, it went down close enough to it<
should have made those lines a couple of hundred miles wide?
>We have been reporting for over 10 years now
that both the American and Russian militaries
can create both earthquakes and volcanic eruptions anywhere they desire, at any time.<

Hmm...so they send soldiers to fight and die for kicks?
why not just pop a volcano in Bagdad instead?
Or send a Tsumani to destroy North Korea?

If only these rightwingers could look at the events of the Bush regime with a
"What if Clinton did this? attitude.

What could these people have done with frame by frame analysis of the controlled demolitions of the WTC
or the military stand down on 911?

Their ilk impeached a President for trying to hide an affair with a willing and eager younger woman.

How many wingnuts are now hypocritically claiming any criticism of the President is unpatriotic?

posted 06-07-2003 02:57 PM            

These people stopped believing conspiracies suddenly?

Yes,
I'vs seen people fall under the influence of cults more than once.
People are kept 24 hours a day in the company of cult members until their lives are totally involved in the cult's rhythm of life;
the cult's way of thinking.

Boot camp is the same thing, in the sense that they never bother to untrain us.
"Once a Marine. Always a Marine"
(I've been under fire alongside of Marines/ I like them OK?)

Manson, Jim Jones, sun Yung Moon
are cult leaders.

I was present at the arraignment near Allentown PA, of two 'extreme right militia' kids who'd killed several people.

Their attorney considered
as a possible defense
their 'brainwashing by RW talk radio'
blasting Rush Limbaugh, Gordon Liddy, Mike Savage, Dr Laura and the constant theme of hate and violence aimed toward Liberals.

(blaring from loudspeakers at their farm 24 hours every day)
The nut who crashed his plane into the WhiteHouse and the one who fired a military rifle at the white House were both dittoheads determined to get Clinton.

Thier cult had brainwashed them into committing acts of violence;
the attorney pointed out.

posted 06-08-2003 01:05 AM            

(blaring from loudspeakers at their farm 24 hours every day)
The nut who crashed his plane into the WhiteHouse and the one who fired a military rifle at the white House were both dittoheads determined to get Clinton

posted 06-08-2003 09:41 AM            

Only the left behind writings and family recall of the pilot indicated he was a faithful Limbaugh/ Liddy/ Savage/ listener.
Nothing indicated they told him to deliberately crash into the WH in a stupid attempt to kill Clinton.

The shooter was more easily tied to Liddy's advice to "shoot 'em in the head" because of body armor.

I used to argue with Tim McVeigh in an AOL chat room.
'tim McVey@aol.com' listed his occupation on the members' list as "mad bomber".
After the OKC bombing I called the onscreen fibbie number to relate that Tim was not smart enough to pull it off by himself.
He didn't even know how to make anfo, much more how to set up the attack.

After taking my name and SSN, DOB etc.
the agent pulled me up 'on screen'
"thank you for calling sir. we'll take your name off the list."

They had transcripts of the aol chats!

(October 1994)
Tim >not registered, but always vote republican<
Me >if not registered/ how do you vote?<
Tim >got me there<

Now does that sound smart?
"not registered, but always vote..."

Tim was a dupe!

Susceptable to anyone he agreed with.
Taking the attitude of anti government(*1) conservatives was natural to him.

*(only against it until they got control that is/ it's now bigger and more intrusive than when the libs were in control)

my point still is:

People who saw conspiracies everywhere when Clinton was in office have blinded themselves to events since 'their' side took over.

Both sides are capable of reprehensible acts.

Mrs. Weaver was murdered during Bush the first's administration.
Waco during Clinton's administration.

Cannot we all agree:
that both were wrong!