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Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000

posted 05-10-2001 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


NewsNet 5

Woman Learned How To Kill As A Child
Father Taught Her To Seduce Foreign Diplomats

CLEVELAND, 11:24 a.m. EDT May 10, 2001 --

While most children were playing on the playground, Cheryl Hersha says that she was learning how to kill as a child.

NewsChannel5's Brad Harvey reports that Hersha, a registered nurse, tells a story of an abusive military father who forced her and her sister into a CIA child spy program called MK Ultra. A program at the height of the Cold War involved mind control, torture, sex and murder.

"The military training began when I was about eight and that consisted of teaching us weapons, knives, revolvers and shooting," Hersha says.

Harvey reports that there were different names for different personalities. The child prostitute was sexy Sadie. That program turned into the black widow, which was a seductress assassin.

A real life La Femme Nikita, Hersha, who now lives in Arizona with her family, says that she would seduce and then drug top foreign diplomats and then take them to a secret location.

"Sometimes he would be passed out and they would take pictures and that would be enough to blackmail them into compliance," she says.

But she never completed her missions. She never pulled the trigger on her victims. And because she didn't kill her victims, WEWS reports that an assassin was sent to take her out.

"And he got distracted and I got a hold of the knife. And I did defend my life at that point and plunged the knife into his neck," she says.

The memories were locked deep inside her brain for about 10 years, surfacing after she had a child of her own. She once believed that she was crazy. Nevertheless, she contacted Ohio private investigator Dale Griffis. He claims other MK Ultra survivors have contacted him with similar stories.

Griffis says that after many hours of listening, he realized that there was a pattern and overlapping data.

Griffis and Cleveland-author Ted Schwarz teamed up for a book based on Hersha's story. Beyond the interviews, both men admit that the evidence is thin.

"There is nothing on record that identifies this program by a name with "x" number of children and identifies the people involved," Hersha says.

Shwarz claims that most of the documentation on MK Ultra was destroyed in the 1970s, but he says that Hersha's story is evidence enough. "At this point, what is provable is so provable that what is not provable I do accept," says Hersha. "I wouldn't ask anyone to believe me straight up at face value."

Hersha and the authors warn that people are capable of doing many things under the guise of patriotism.

"A lot of things are done in the name of patriotism under circumstances that people think are right that in hindsight are not. In hindsight they are the horrors of the damned," she says.

The CIA has acknowledged that there is a program called MK Ultra, but officials insist that the group does not include children.

The agency says that Hersha's accusations are without any foundation

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1115 posts, Oct 2000

posted 05-10-2001 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for defender     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's some of what I know about MK-ULTRA

High-tech slavery is alive and well on planet Earth. Ever since World War II when the United States Government's Project Paperclip sponsored the resettlement of about 2,000 high-level Nazis in the United States, the technology of mind-control programming has advanced rapidly.

"The Germans under the Nazi government began to do serious scientific research into trauma-based mind control," write Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler in their book, The Illuminati Formula used to create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave. "Under the auspices of the Kaiser Wilhelm Medical Institute in Berlin, Josef Mengele conducted mind-control research on thousands of twins and thousands of other hapless victims."

Mengele, known as "the Angel of Death", was one of the approximately 900 military scientists and medical researchers secretly exfiltrated into the United States, where he continued his 'research' and trained others in the black arts of mind control. This work in behaviour manipulation was later incorporated into the CIA's projects Bluebird and Artichoke which, in 1953, became the notorious MKULTRA. The CIA claims that these programs were discontinued, but there is no credible evidence that "The Search for the Manchurian Candidate" (the title of the definitive book by John Marks) ever ceased.

In fact, Captain John McCarthy, US Army Special Forces (Ret.), who ran CIA assassination teams out of Saigon during the Vietnam War, told his friend, LAPD whistleblower Mike Ruppert, that "MKULTRA is a CIA acronym that officially stands for 'Manufacturing Killers Utilizing Lethal Tradecraft Requiring Assassinations'". Thus the CIA's official obsession with producing programmed killers through the MKULTRA contained more than 149 sub-programs in fields ranging from biology, pharmacology, psychology to laser physics and ESP.

More recently, new evidence points to the continuous use of so-called trauma-based programming techniques to accomplish the same goal. This includes the deliberate induction of Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) in involuntary human subjects - in essence, human guinea pigs.

MPD has been reclassified by the American Psychiatric Association as Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID). The psychiatrists' bible, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV, p. 487), characterises it by:

A. The presence of two or more distinct personality states;
B. At least two of these identities or personality states recurrently take control of the person's behaviour;
C. Inability to recall important personal information that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness;
D. The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance or a general medical condition.

No matter what name is assigned to the problem, however, to create this condition by conscious intent is an atrocity so depraved that trauma-based mind-control programming remains the de facto Secret Holocaust of the 20th century. Known as the Monarch Project, it has been verified and corroborated by numerous survivors like Cathy O'Brien, author of TranceFormation of America, Brice Taylor, author of Starshine, and K. Sullivan, author of MK. No paper trail has been found which leads from the CIA's MKULTRA program to the Monarch Project - a catchword for mind control which involves US military, CIA, NASA and other government agencies.

The Franklin Cover-up, attorney John W. DeCamp's groundbreaking book about high-level pedophilia, also describes the sordid details of Monarch. "Drugs are not the deepest level of government-sponsored evil," he writes. "I think the lowest level of Hell is reserved for those who conjured up and carried out the 'Monarch Project'. 'Monarch' refers to young people in America who were victims of mind-control experiments run either by US government agencies such as CIA or military intelligence agencies."

DeCamp's client, Monarch abuse survivor Paul Bonacci, has a story which parallels the victimology of O'Brien, Taylor and Sullivan - an extensive cross-corroboration of perpetrators and their methodology. It's simply "the production of a horde of children in whom the soul is crushed, who would spy, whore, kill and commit suicide", in the words of investigative reporter Anton Chaitkin, quoted by DeCamp in his book.

Recovering Monarch victims speak of ongoing trauma through "ritual abuse", also known as "satanic ritual abuse" because of the identifiable iconography of a belief structure associated with Satanism or Luciferianism. By using drugs, hypnosis, torture and electroshock, the Monarch criminal perpetrators have produced new and succeeding generations of victims.

This is not science fiction, but science fact. MPD involves the creation of personality "alters": alternative personalities or personality fragments which can be used for specific tasks - usually for illegal activities like delivering drugs or other black-market activities (mules), messages (couriers) or killings (assassins). These alters, or soul fragments, are segregated and compartmentalised within the victim's mind by the repeated use of stun guns, drugs and hypnosis, which isolates the memories of their experiences.

An alter can be accessed by anyone who knows the "codes" or "triggers". These triggers, which induce an altered or trance state in a programmed victim, can be anything including telephone tones, nursery rhymes, dialogue from certain movies or hand signals.

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Cognitive Dissonance

Menlo Park, Ca, USA
224 posts, Apr 2001

posted 05-10-2001 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LWR     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The courts never care.

Found an interesting tidbit on freerepublic last night. Seems that the government
psychiatrist who examined McVeigh initially was a "Dr. Jolly", i.e., Dr
Louis Jolyan West, was a former Director of MKULTRA. One of the
freerepublic posters noted that "Dr Jolly" had access to McVeigh not only
during and after his "trial" but in the 17 days he was held at an Air Force
Base (Tinkers ?) before being turned over to Denver feds. Remember the
implant that McVeigh claimed and later denied? You don't need implants with
Dr. Jolly around."
Borrowed from another board

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1115 posts, Oct 2000

posted 05-10-2001 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for defender     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LWR, that begs the question as to whether or not McVeigh himself may have MKULTRA programming?

It's like NSA Sucks said, "This thing is so big!" MKULTRA is part of a much bigger picture, but it IS a key to understanding the nature of those who have kept us in the dark, lied to us, killed us even by using each other to keep them in power. It is also all about MIND CONTROL, not just by torturing children for covert assassinations, but through TV ads, movies, disinformation and suppression of the truth on a grand scale.

On the other hand if other reports are true, MKULTRA in some form is directly responsible for a number of assassinations and murders nationwide that have dramatically changed the face of American politics and our national destiny!

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Senior Mollycule

Buchanan Dam, Texas
119 posts, May 2001

posted 05-11-2001 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MollyGainYa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is all too weird for me, and I have to digest all this info and get some of the books mentioned in Nexus Mag's article. I am really scared ... No wonder we always have mysterious military activities around us, and my husband always has loaded guns and knives all over the house and in the car when we travel. I accuse him of being paranoid, and sometimes he takes offense at that, and sometimes he agrees...


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1115 posts, Oct 2000

posted 05-11-2001 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for defender     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've also heard that many serial killers, notably 'Son of Sam' (David Berkowitz) and John Wayne Gacy among others were actually connected with satanic cults, less sure of MKULTRA/Govt connections, but seems likely there are links to high-profile mass murderers & satanism/Michael Aquino etc. It's easier for some law enforcement groups to attribute mass murders to one killer, less paperwork to do, no need for futher investigations and media scrutiny. Though, in at least some cases, the media is already part of the game.

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1115 posts, Oct 2000

posted 05-11-2001 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for defender     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I sympathize with your problem MollyGainYa. I was married into a 'situation' myself in 1982. I got out as fast as I could, though your case is different than mine. If he is a victim, there is help available, but I'm not up on who to contact at this point. Prayer is a very effective means of protection and safety. You and your kids are okay so far, so don't give up. Maybe someone else has suggestions as to what you might do. There are answers on the Internet, it helps to pray for direction.

You might try to contact Ted Gunderson. You may try ???(have to find it...and I'll post it) I know there are a number of survivor support groups for MPD's and some of them have links to family victims of black ops members and other covert intel activity. I've lost track of those over the years, but I'm sure some of them still exist. I can post some if I find them. I know that some of them may be traps, but as in in my case, you just have to have faith that God and the forces of light are there for you and your husband and kids. There are good people in black ops and other orgs, some are just more enlightened than others, like everyone else in the world.

Don't be afraid and don't give up!

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Senior Mollycule

Buchanan Dam, Texas
119 posts, May 2001

posted 05-11-2001 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MollyGainYa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, defender, and I have already started praying!! I know WG is trying his best to overcome his subconscious nightmares, and he is calling on the Lord for His help, but it is VERY hard for the word "surrender" to be grasped by a man trained as he's been, and that's what it's going to take - complete surrender.

Also, thank you, Thermit, for opening this subject. I firmly believe God uses all of us to help those who are truly searching, and He is definitely using you!

I'm going to try to "find" Ted and those groups you mentioned, defender. THANK YOU for sharing your wealth of information. "Forewarned is forearmed", and now I'm that, thanks to this Forum and all the dedicated members. God bless you all!

MollyGainYa, with love

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posted 05-11-2001 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for defender     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MollyGainYa, you may want to try this link;

The following article is from Carol. She can be reached at: Please use caution while reading. It may be very triggering for survivors of gov=t connected abuse. Please note: all accusations are alleged.

Over the years there has been an attempt by the mainstream media, to discredit the survivors of childhood experimentation during the Cold war. Those of us who have undergone these experiments, survived and are attempting to heal from the physical and emotional impact; have been portrayed as either having these memories implanted in us by our therapists, or just plain being delusional and looking for notoriety.

As an alleged survivor of CIA programs Bluebird/Artichoke (1) and MKULTRA, I began my intense search to document some of the mind control experiments that I was made part of starting at the tender age of four. Through a series of FOIA's to various departments of the government, I have amassed an incredible amount of material that validates my personal experiences. I have also found pictures of machines that were used in these experiments that match drawings I made during my healing process (2).

I believe that the Department Chief of the Technical Services Division of the CIA, bought my services from my grandfather in 1952. Due to the results of a psychological profile which was done while my dad was in the brig during WW2, the government determined that he was holding some very dark secrets. As John Gittinger would later prove with Wechslers of sexual psychopaths (3), so called normals have different personality patterns than people with uncontrollable urges. Consequently, they assumed our family was ripe for blackmail. That fateful day in July, it was decided that in exchange for a considerable sum of money and freedom from prosecution for allegedly making and transporting child pornography across state lines; I would become the governments' little experiment.

I believe the CIA was looking for children who had the ability to disassociate from reality (4). They were about to determine if I would be a proper candidate for future experiments. I proved to be everything they wanted and more. Over the next twelve years, I believe I was tested, trained and used in various ways. Electroshock, drugs, hypnosis and other types of trauma were used to make me compliant and split my personality even further.

Beginning at the age of six, I believe my grandfather started training a part of me in sexual finesse. Later, they used an apartment with two way mirrors where I believe films were taken with high level government politicians. Sex with kids, wasn't something you wanted leaked to the press, so these men had no choice than to become pawns in a larger game of chess. My psychic abilities were honed to be used for psychic assassination. I cannot tell you if I was ever successful, only that I remember being trained.

On December 17, 1999 I turned 52 years old and received 3 CDROMs from the CIA, in response to my FOIA request. Forty-eight years after I was first experimented on, I believe I found solid proof of my memories; proof that was in the government vaults of declassified documents under Subproject 136 of MKULTRA (5).One of the experimental studies the research team focused on was the exploration of the postulated abilities of a few specially gifted subjects. The document states "that in working with individual subjects, special attention will be given to disassociative states, which tend to accompany spontaneous ESP experiences. Such states can be induced and controlled to some extent with hypnosis and drugs ... The data used in the study will be obtained from special groups such as psychotics, children and mediums..."

The document continues, "Learning studies will be instituted in which the subject will be rewarded or punished for his overall performance and reinforced in various ways - by being told whether he was right, by being told what the target was, with electric shock etc." The proposal then goes on to say, "In other cases drugs and psychological tricks will be used to modify his attitudes. The experimenters will be particularly interested in disassociative states, from the abaissement de niveau mental to multiple personality in so-called mediums, and an attempt will be made to induce a number of states of this kind, using hypnosis." The government had finally handed me the validation I had been searching for. To say my heart stopped that day, is almost true.

For some, no proof will be enough. For others, like myself, unraveling the bizarre nature of my memories has allowed me to regain control of my life. My greatest gift of healing has been to no longer operate out of fear, but from a rational, logical based reality. Choices to live, to love and to create that were taken from me through the fragmentation of my mind, can now be explored.

As I continue to heal, I will attempt through the writing and publishing of my story, to make the plight of thousands like myself known to the public. God speed your healing, too.


1. Project Bluebird/Artichoke primary purpose was the study of special interrogation techniques-primarily hypnosis and truth serums and brainwashing. See CIS-1978-S421-l Project MKULTRA, The CIA's Program of Research in Behavioral Modification, Appendix A, pg. 66, Joint Hearing before the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human Resources, United States Senate Ninety-Fifth Congress, First Session, August 3, 1977


3.Subproject 39 at Ionia State Prison, see MoriID#17436

4.Dissociative amnesia is characterized by an inability to recall important personal information, usually of a traumatic or stressful nature, that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness." DSM-IV, section 300.12

5. Mori ID#17395 ESP Research, 1961 and 1962, declassified documents from CIA

This is only one source though, remember that some sites are out of date and some may have been compromised. I'll pray that you find the one that leads you to freedom from your situation.

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Mystic Warrior

S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001

posted 05-11-2001 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delphi   Visit Delphi's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mollygainya, What is the closest major city in Texas near Buchanans Dam Texas?? I live in NW Louisiana. I am trying to figure out a way to have you be able to reach me without putting out my info for these couple of debunker creeps here at the board...I'm a gal with decent hubby...would jump in the car and come get ya myself...Your hubby may be a "victim" and if so, my heart "bleeds" for him, I know what it can be like, but ya gotta think of yourself and baby first...are there any "shelters" or church affiliations or family or pals that can get you outta there.?.I wouldn't wait if things are that "helter-skelter! If no help for you, let me know...I'm gentle of spirit but NOT FAINT OF HEART! Blessings, Joanne

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61 posts, Apr 2001

posted 05-24-2001 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would just like to add that if you search online under the mind control forum, there is an unbelieveable amount of information from people who claim to have been used just as the woman in Thermit's posting as killers and also as sex slaves. They say that they were knowingly abused as children until they developed more than one "personality", and then they were used to carry messages, kill, be sex slaves, etc. David Icke claims that high government officials are involved in this way in child abuse.

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Senior Mollycule

Buchanan Dam, Texas
119 posts, May 2001

posted 05-26-2001 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MollyGainYa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Moonstar, for more feedback on this subject. I have been wondering lately if my husband's upbringing in the Christian Science church also helped to convince him that "mind over matter" is legitimate and even accepted and taught by "Christians". His "adoptive" family was deeply involved in this "religion", and it only convinces me further that WG was a prime candidate for MKULTRA membership. When I ask him about this possibility, he agrees that the military used this programming, but he totally denies any possible involvement as a child.

I'm going to search for more info on this, and I will take your advice and look in the "mind control" forums. Thank you again, and God bless you!

MollyGainYa, with love


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