posted 09-29-2001 10:49 PM            

I'm not questioning Delphi, or other legit psychic/RVer's. The collective consciousness theory isn't something I thought of much before this thread. I'm just looking at this from another angle (probably what some will consider a paranoid angle . We all look at things from our own perspectives I guess. I believe and have experienced psychic phenomenon myself, and I don't doubt for a minute that it is real.

I'm not really familiar with this concept of group consciousness. Maybe lots of these images do reflect that?

I could say that I'm just playing the devil's advocate, but my mind does tend to look for conspiracies in cases like this before anything else.

posted 09-30-2001 09:24 AM            

I don't know where you're getting the idea I would want to kill you, Delphi? I realize you're kidding, but if you really are psychic, I'd hate to have people think you are speaking some truth about that. (We were/are both members of NRA, so maybe you can understand me being sensitive to anti-gun/2nd Ammendment people calling us killers, I have one of them in my own family! yukkk.)

Chem11, I really think that you missed my point, and/or I didn't explain myself well enough. The images, album covers, news stories etc. are something that could easlily be faked. The group consciousness idea is not unbelieveable, but wasn't my immediate idea about this particular thread.

These WTC/NYC crash images seem to be for the most part promoted through media sources, including news stories, album covers etc., which is what raises a red flag to me. Delphi and most legit psychics and RVers don't generally use the media to promote anything. They have abilities and they use them without trying to promote them, especially with regards to this WTC attack.

To me, the similarity between these media-reported or promoted instances of premonition in regards to the WTC attack to that spate of chemtrail images we all saw were both promoted through the same kinds of media outlets which makes me question their authenticity even more. Mind you, I am not comparing the authenticity of chemtrails to the authenticity of WTC premonitions. I believe in the existence of both of them. What bothers me is the medias' (i.e. TPTB), interest in promoting them! My question is, why are they doing that? For what purpose? Possibly just to sell newpapers or CD's, or could it be more than that, assuming it's not part of group consciousness?

It takes some amount of money and organization to promote these (chemtrail/WTC premonitions) subliminally or overtly to the public and I can see a real similarity to the two. On the other hand, you may be right about your contention that the WTC images are examples of group consciousness. I could believe that too, and it could easily be that it's a combination of both.

BTW, remember the album cover for Def Leppards' 'Pyromania' (I think...correct me if I'm wrong, may have been 'Appetite for Destruction'? or was that Guns 'n Roses?) also shows an explosion in a high-rise bldg, and the image framed in the cross-hairs of a scope, though that was not recent. Also 'Die Hard' movie came out about 15 years ago and also 'True Lies' both involved terrorist attacks and high-rise destruction. Maybe some of these were premontions?

BTW, (again) I'd tell you which U.S. military intelligence groups I believe are the best, or most efficient but then someone would have to kill me!!

[note: funny that I've heard Israel's Mossad played up a number of times in U.S. media as being the best or most efficient intelligence ageny in the world!! Do they have some great public relations people right here in the U.S. Media or what? Why is CIA alone almost always labeled as the bad guy to the exclusion of groups like Mossad, KGB, GRU etc. I'm guilty of that myself, partly because I'm subject to the same media outlets here especially from Hollywood, that lays all the blame at a U.S. org like CIA. (Oops, looks like I'm a CIA stooge now?)]

That old adage(?) or joke about military intelligence being an oxymoron is probably something some intel group came up with to steer attention away from what powers they really do have as far as covert games and operations. Suggesting that military or civilian intel groups are inept (true as that may be in some cases) can be dangerous to all of us, if it's generally accepted as fact. I think that most people are not aware of the capabilities they have in our society especially through media sources they either own or control.

Anything devised and made up of human beings is subject to imperfections and mistakes, but underestimating their intelligence may not be helpful in trying to keep track of their objectives and how they may affect our own well-being as Americans (not to mention the welfare of impoverished 3rd world countries!).

posted 09-30-2001 09:39 AM            

Yesterday I have listened to Jeff Rense's 09-28-2001 show (first hour and half) about Princeton’s Global Consciousness Project which studies the effects of a possible global consciousness, using world-wide network of 40 random number generators whose continuous streams of data are sent over the internet to the central computer to be archived there and analyzed and correlated with events that may evoke a objectively detectable world-wide consciousness change. This network started to operate in 1998. Examples that appear to have done so include the funeral ceremonies of Princess Diana, a few minutes around midnight on any New Years Eve, the first hour of NATO bombing in Yugoslavia, several major earthquakes, and now the WTC disaster.

Analysis of data registered on 09-11-2001 shows exceptional departure of random event expected results during the NY event, between 05:00 am and 05:00 pm, with two large pikes (+ and -) at 09:30. Our world was, in that period of time, much less fuzzy than usual. Princeton people correlate this coherence with the fact that unusually large number of people was saved from the burning buildings (93%) and that surprisingly low number of passengers was present on the unfortunate flights that have hit the towers. Mind you, these are mainstream scientists that came to the notorious alternative show to speak about not-so paranormal phenomena. A detailed analysis of this event can be found here:
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/terror.html

My interpretation of this particular event is that that what Princeton people did was to register the fight between our crippled selves (many of us, half asleep, all over the world) and evil entities (other than those 50 or 150 who, having no abundance of water, rarely wash themselves), which have only partially won this time. Judging form the somewhat confused global drive towards the war, the battle continues. This time it’s real source is becoming visible to many. No surprise that those evil appearances in the smoke were captured on video.

posted 09-30-2001 10:44 AM            

Like Remote Viewing studies at Stanford, the fact that major universities and govt funding take these things seriously, together with my own experiences is proof to me that these phenomenon are real.

Not to beat a dead horse but, doesn't anyone remember all those instances of chemtrails in the media; movies, TV commercials, magazine ads and videos? There is at least one thread here at CTC and also on some of the other boards for new members who haven't heard of this.

Some of these may have just been reflections and observations of what we have all been seeing (chemtrails), but some of them seemed so out of place yet obvious that they were meant to be seen overtly by activists or subliminally by those not yet clued in to chemtrails.

The calendar photo of NY destruction to me in this thread is a very likely example of a black ops plant, partly because it allegedly came from a Moslem country. The Hip Hop album cover, to me is also suspect as a plant either before or after 9/11.

Both of these would support a campaign of targeting both Muslims and American blacks in an effort to link them in an emotional way to the WTC attacks. Things like this have been done many times by covert intel groups. Though they may have just been opportunist racist groups capitalizing on the WTC attack?

Like the faked Nostradamus quatrain. Was that created by intel groups to promote the idea of WWIII/Armageddon? or maybe to help try to discredit the Internet? TV news (TPTB) has mentioned this Nostradamus story many times as 'another indication' of how inaccurate and undependable info from the Internet is. The Internet, as many of us feel, is the last, best hope we have of obtaining unfiltered news.

BTW, the first time I heard that faked Nostradamus quote was on CBS morning news, not the Internet!

posted 09-30-2001 10:47 AM            

I can think of some things I'd like to do to you, but killing is not on the list!

I like your more current photo better than the older one of you 'youngins'. Maybe it's because you don't look so 'married' in the current one?

Hope the hubby isn't reading this(?)

posted 09-30-2001 02:47 PM            

That's the problem with communication via e-mail, chatrooms, even with the smiles legends, there can be misunderstandings. Maybe you do know me pretty well. I have had a bad week, tons of stress....flirting helps relieve it, but it's more fun in person. Have to get back to dancing and goofing around. My baby's back in Texas, (I call her Muffin!), haven't seen her in some time, so a full body massage sounds great.

Anyone who has read my posts here at CTC probably realizes I get carried away, guess that's why I stayed off for so long. I even bug myself! It's not fun taking yourself too seriously, and this stuff is hard for me to take lightly, though I tend to try to sound lake an authority, I'm not.

Amber, I had a relative who was really into the TM (Transcendental Meditation) movement. It's not so popular as it was in the 60's and 70's. But I know that they claimed to have had group sessions (not that kind Delphi....sorry, why do I always want to talk dirty to you!?.... I need to get back to Texas ASAP!)

...anyway, they had group sessions where they would target specific cities to send positive waves/thoughts and claimed to have documented proof that they could reduce the crime waves in those cities. I don't have any data on that though other than what I heard. I do believe in prayers though, so there probably is some merit to it. It sure coudn't hurt.

Thanks for the special thoughts J/D. It was a good ceremony and I'm glad I went, though I hate funerals. They really are for the living and not the dead. I still have a lot of emotions going on. I was kind of surprised everyone was so happy to see me, but your thoughts and prayers were appreciated and effective. X0X0

posted 09-30-2001 07:45 PM            

>>> A Disturbance in the Force...?
The tragic events of September 11, 2001 have deeply shocked the entire world. But perhaps their influence propagates even more deeply than we imagine, even into the fabric of reality itself, perhaps even into events prior to their occurrence. In popular culture, this might be called a "disturbance in the Force", but new and innovative science may have something much more serious to say about the matter.

Since 1998, the Global Consciousness Project at Princeton University has been monitoring the outputs of up to 40 random number generators (RNGs) around the world. Each of these RNGs sends 200 bits of randomly generated data every second to a server at the GCP in Princeton. The generators are based on physical devices considered fundamentally random, not merely deterministic computer algorithms.

Preposterous though it may sound, significant deviations have been noted in the randomness of data from these RNGs around times of major events in the world.

Roger Nelson, Director of the GCP, and Dean Radin at the Institute of Noetic Sciences have analyzed data from the RNG network on and around September 11. They found striking anomalies, one of which is shown below. Note that the significant deviation from randomness began several hours before the events in New York and Washington. See the GCP web site for complete information and extensive statistical analyses of the data before, during, and after these events.

Randomness and Causality

Why is this of interest to us at the Boundary Institute? Because our theoretical and experimental work have focused specifically and significantly on the concepts of randomness and causality in physics. Our theoretical work strongly suggests, and we have been saying for some time, that certain random physical processes (such as the mysterious "collapse" of the wave function in quantum mechanics) are not what they seem, and in fact may be dependent on other factors and thus influenceable at a fundamental level. And contrary to common assumption, these phenomena and new theory are not in major conflict with existing physics. A great deal of experimental evidence tends to support the hypothesis as well. Now far more significant events seem to have registered in random devices all over the globe.

We do not know whether the effect shown in these analyses will hold up under further scrutiny. We do not necessarily subscribe to the hypotheses which the GCP or anyone else has put forth to explain them. In any case, anecdotal one-time occurrences, no matter how dramatic, are no substitute for careful scientific investigation and experimental replication. However, at the very least, this apparent deviation in the randomness of physical devices under certain conditions needs to be analyzed further and studied closely by science.

In a similar vein, claims that the number of passengers on the hijacked planes on September 11 was exceptionally low (even for a Tuesday after Labor Day, during an economic downturn, etc.) need careful examination. This may be a simple statistical fluke, or it may be that passengers somehow precognitively avoided the doomed flights.

If the randomness of fundamental physical processes can be influenced by global events, the implications for both science and society could be very large indeed. As just one example (highly speculative to be sure), if these effects are real, it might be possible to predict some large-scale calamities in advance by careful observation of random devices such as the generators of the GCP.

Such speculations are easy to make, of course. But only by looking hard at this data and bringing to bear the full power of science will we eventually find out what really happened to the random number generators on September 11.<<<

see graph: http://www.boundaryinstitute.org/randomness.htm

posted 10-01-2001 03:33 AM            

defender - I know where you are coming from -I too, do not accept anything at face value (world events, i mean) I lecture sometimes on Conspiracy theory over here. It is a lonely 'hobby'. Especially at the moment - the horror and scale of the WTC ensures that people could never conceive, and therefore, never believe that our governments could play any part in this tragedy. To say otherwise is almost a blasphemy...My own family treat me with scorn if i so much as mention any anomalies in the events of the WTC...I get upset....they get upset... To me their reaction is conditioned...to them my reaction is unreasonable and paranoid...Sometimes a wave of anger rises within me...because they refuse to hear me out, they refuse to consider anything but the disney version of events...and i feel they are helping, albeit, unawares, the goose-step march into the NWO.

posted 10-01-2001 09:36 AM            

You've described our problem very succinctly, better than I could put into words.

"I get upset....they get upset... To me their reaction is conditioned...to them my reaction is unreasonable and paranoid...Sometimes a wave of anger rises within me...because they refuse to hear me out, they refuse to consider anything but the disney version of events..."

To me, this gulf or rift between us has existed at least since revelations about the reality of the JFK murder(s). At least in the U.S.

Younger people are barraged with entertainment noise and disinformation so these lies continue generation after generation.

Believe it or not, sources I had in L.A./Burbank area in the '80's told me that Disney himself was involved in clandestine operations, though I still don't know exactly how, or for whom he worked?

My understanding though, at that time (post WWII, and maybe to this day), American (and probably other Allied...) generals, statesmen and their families, other wealthy families among others were targeted after the 'surrender' of Nazi Germany. Many families and corporations across the board were compromised by Nazi elements through murder, blackmail, rape, intermarriage, (between Nazis/target), misuse and abuse of American 'legal' system, gradual control of media outlets... to obtain wealth and control of U.S.A. and free world.

NSASucks, someone who used to be a contributing member here at CTC had some good info on that, if you ever have time to look back into the archives here. Especially a thread called "New Schwabenland" that contains some of the information related to the murders of WWII era American Generals/Admirals.

To me, the JFK murder(s) are the most apparent indication of what has been called a 'coup-detat' in the U.S., which was an extention of Nazi/TPTB attacks against U.S. and allied forces of WWII.

They also gained support through "White Russians" (directly involved in the JFK assassination) and Nazis because of their hatred of the Communists (especially Soviet Communists) because of the 9 million Russians murdered by Nazi Germany in WWII. White Russians were the wealthy aristocracy that collaberated with the Nazis in WWII duing Nazi occupation of Europe/Asia, like the French Vichy Govt.

Oops, there I go again... You're probably already aware of this and other things, we all have bits and pieces of the puzzle.

posted 10-02-2001 11:24 PM            

Don't give up. KnewEyes and penumbra are right. UFO cover-ups, Chemtrails and assassinations all seem to have disinfo agents, (witting and unwitting) who try to shut us up or discredit us. But there are still more of us than there are of them, and we must have the moral high ground? Especially as far as assassinations & Chemtrails!

To me, the JFK death was only the beginning of the decline of U.S. as a positive force in the world. I mean, I think we became much more of an 'empire' as opposed to a democracy. JFK could see the problems, tried to change things and was murdered for his efforts.

But, like they say, 'a little knowledge can be dangerous', you can know bits and pieces of a conspiracy and still miss the picture. I don't know the whole thing by a long shot, and maybe I have been brainwashed too, to some extent? But you've seen the evidence compiled in JFK murders. The motives have been analyzed and CIA/Joint Chiefs of Staff in U.S. certainly do not come out as good guys.

From what I understand, following the assassination and escalation of Viet Nam war and 'committment' to the supply of war materials and young American soldiers, a 'purge' began in U.S. intelligence agencies. Old school U.S. spy-types knew what had happened in the JFK murder and tried to fight back (hopefully many still are...elements who backed Olivers Stones 'JFK' including Colonel Fletcher Prouty).

CIA chief James Jesus Angleton kept a Yuri Nosenko, (former head of KGB office in Switzerland(?) who had defected to U.S. following JFK assassination ), held prisoner here in the states for 2-3-4 years, can't remember exactly. Nosekno had info related to Oswald/JFK murder, but ANgleton believed he was a double agent, not a true defector.

When Nixon became president, he gave Nosenko his 'bona fides', freeing him from Angletons custody and promoting him (Nosenko) to a high-ranking position within the CIA. So, if Angelton was right, we now had a high-ranking KGB official being accepted as a true defector, now in a high-ranking position of authority within the CIA!

This led to the 'purge' of American agents and assets worldwide, and excalated the blood-letting and destruction of many of the 'old-school' CIA/OSS people who were either murdered or quit because they knew the truth about Nosenko and the JFK assassination.

Just had that in my head for a long time. You can probably find more accurate info than my recollection. Much of this can be found in Senate Subcommitte hearings into the JFK murder when public outcry, influenced by surviving 'old school' intel groups pushed Congress into a broader (and legitimate) investigation in JFK murder.

...just some FYI, if interested. I know that lots of you are also students of JFK conspiracy too, but it still saddens me that many people don't know anything about it.

Sometimes, the more you find out, the less you know. Is this all a cover story too? How does it fit in with Nazi influences. Maybe Soviets were determined to weed out the Nazis who had been brought in to U.S. after WWII (Paperclip & 'The Rat Line') by gaining direct access to U.S. Intelligence (CIA) in the form of Yuri Nosenko? Maybe the purge included the elimination of some Nazi influences too?

I don't know about you, but I'm getting dizzy!

posted 11-10-2001 09:16 PM            

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Psychics join the manhunt

US intelligence agencies are recruiting psychics to help predict future attacks and to find Osama Bin Laden. The recruits, known as "remote viewers", claim to be able to visualise happenings in distant places by using paranormal powers.

The US government established a remote viewing programme, known as Stargate, in the 1970s in an attempt to utilise the skills claimed by psychics to combat communism. The programme, at the Stanford Research Institute in California, was shut down in 1995 after the end of the cold war.

Now, however, US intelligence agencies are reactivating some of their old paranormal spies.

Prudence Calabrese, whose Transdimensional Systems employs 14 remote viewers, confirmed that the FBI had asked the company to predict likely targets of future terrorist attacks.

"Our reports suggest a sports stadium could be a likely target," she said.

The FBI and CIA refused to comment but confirmed investigators have been told to "think out of the box".

Angela Thompson-Smith and Lyn Buchanan, former members of Stargate, said that they, too, had been approached.

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posted 12-12-2001 01:35 PM            

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''I can't explain it, but I had a feeling something was coming,'' Streisand, 59, says by phone from her home in Malibu, Calif. ''And then, oh, my God, it's here, this nightmare, this horror. I was overwhelmed.

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