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Mech
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The Minuteman State
6025 posts, Jun 2001

posted 09-19-2003 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HA!!!

The Republicians ...with the exeption of people like (Ron Paul Tx.) are DEEPLY commited to the New World Order....

Especially the NEO-CONS.Like Wolfowitz, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and others.
Go read their PNAC manifesto.


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posted 09-19-2003 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes there are a few liberal Republicans….like McCain for example…(a true RINO, Republican In Name Only), and probably Shwarzenegger too, if we even knew what he stood for. But, for the most part, the Republican party leans toward the conservative. This latest dug benefits entitlement is an outrage from Bush, and has me doubting whether he is truly conservative on the domestic side of the agenda, that and a dozen other things.

Still, I wouldn’t trade Bush for any other president because I don’t believe there is any other president who would have the political kahoonies to take on the war on terrorism as he is doing. I believe this war is the most important one in human history, a literal world wide battle between good and evil, therefore….I’m willing to disregard and swallow some of Bush’s liberal capitulations to DemonRats. On whole, I think his judgments to be sound and I trust the man implicitly, and I think his ultimate intention is to do the right thing for America. I may not agree with some of the strategy of conceding to the left, but it is a strategy that may work to make the left irrelevant…and that is part of the war on terrorism to. Take away the power of the enemies within…the Democrat party.

Anyway, I’ve drifted from the Denver airport issue a bit, but I think Mech is confusing conservatives who are actually doing a beautiful job, a miraculous job in fighting the war on terrorism and securing this country (with the exception of our southern border). He is confusing them with the true people who are actually want a world governing body such as the EU and UN to usurp US sovereignty…and that’s the DemonRats every time. No question about it. From the head of the rotting fish (Clinton) on down, the DemonRats have actively sought to destroy the US economy and give America’s enemies strategic and military advantage over us. They hate the military….the love the social programs…the love the UN…What more evidence do you need? The people who really want to enslave the US to a world governing body are none other than liberal DemonRats….but not one mention from Mech about the nine dwarves and the DemonRatic party which is visibly and actively working hand in hand with the enemies of America. They are the enemies within.

Bush, Cheny, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld, are on the exact opposite end of the spectrum. They are fighting the enemies of America while the leftists continually harp and whine and demonize. Mech has it back asswards and sides with the left every time. That much is obvious by who he chooses to ignore and who he chooses to blame and what leftist talking point of the day he’s using.

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posted 09-19-2003 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO.

Both the phony right and left deserve EQUAL SCRUTINY.

Bush is the PERFECT puppet for the GLOBALISTS in every sense of the word.

The TWAT (the war on terrorism) is one giant SCAM to keep the pentagon and the military industrial complex from going broke...just like SEPT 11th was a CIA operation...JUST LIKE how troops were massing in TAJIKISTAN before Sept 11th..JUST LIKE how UNOCAL wanted to build an oil pipeline across Afganistan but the Taliban said no..JUST LIKE USAma bin laden (Tim Osman) is a CIA ASSET..JUST LIKE the Bush family were buisness partners with the bin ladens and still are with the Carlyle group..JUST LIKE Iraq was NEVER a threat to the USA...JUST LIKE there are no weapons of mass destruction..JUST LIKE..there is no connection to the SEPT 11th attack to Saddam.

LIES...LIES...and more LIES.

That's all the Bush administration knows how to do...all to help bring in the globalists "New World Order"

You only see Democrats as capable of bringing America down and THAT is why the NEO-CONS (Bush and crew) are getting away with everything that they are...they are counting on you to obey, never question, and look the other way.

I see through the PHONY LEFT/RIGHT paradigm..its all subterfuge.

If the republicans have accomplished anything its to make MORE enemies (their plan all along to keep the military industrial complex going).

The republicans are on the inside what the democrats are on the outside...and vice versa...as far as im concerned.
Both work for the globalists and the illuminati..there are only a handful who refuse.

You are right about the UN and its not just the Democrats who are in favor of it..GEE hasnt Bush recently handed more control to the UN lately in IRAQ while claiming he doesnt support it. Wasnt it BUSH who SIGNED ONTO THE UNESCO PLAN? ARE YOU GETTING IT YET?
IT'S THEATRE...ITS ALL STAGED!!!

You talk about Clinton Ruining the economy while its BUSH who has created the largest defecit in history..and I dont like Clinton whatsoever..he signed Nafta/Gatt. But YOU only look at ONE SIDE of the PHONY political spectrum and see evil coming from one side.

You talk of "social programs"? BUSH is the biggest GOVERNMENT SOCIALIST in history..even Oxycotin gobbling Rush Limbaugh has said it. Are you a CORPORATE SOCIALIST or something? Handing millions of taxpayer dollars to corporations to keep them afloat while stepping on the little guy?

I thought so!

The only "ENEMY WITHIN" to this country and its future are the GLOBALISTS who are running the show from behind the scenes and their plan for a "NEW WORLD ORDER". If you think is only the democrats behind this you are just plain BLIND..period.

Nor are you willing to do the research.

It's much easier to tow the Party line and ape everything you see on Hannity and Clones and FAUX news.


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posted 09-19-2003 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the professor   Visit the professor's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But what was the last unconstitutional liberal scam against the people? \How about three liberal judges on the left coast saying minorities don't know how to vote so they decide to keep a corrupt and downright screw up in the governor seat, all in just the last five days. Liberals are socialist = an idiot the will run the constitution into the ground faster than any group of republicans.

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Mech
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posted 09-19-2003 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree..the Democrats are just as untrustworthy as the Republicans are.

But it's a corrupt SYSTEM.

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posted 09-19-2003 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Mech, can you back up any of what you said with fact?

You seem like a maniacal ranter who is asking people to believe your conclusions just because you say them…and to disregard what is readily apparent. It is obvious to anyone paying attention to national events, DemonRats are the party who support the UN and letting European centralized government usurp US sovereignty. DemonRats are constantly trying to undermine the constitution. Just look at California for an extreme example of this. A DemonRat governor and a DemonRat legislature have practically destroyed the state. Gray Davis just signed a law that allows ILLEGALS to get their licenses so they can vote under the motor voter act. A DemonRat controlled judiciary of the federal 9th circus court of appeals just usurped the peoples right to vote in a free election. It was three DemonRats appointed by Clinton, who just did this. The Republicans are the ones preventing the DemonRats from all the things I’ve mentioned here such as giving up US sovereignty to the UN and destroying the country. The same people who have destroyed the state of California, are attempting to destroy the Nation….liberal Democrats all. The Clinton administration alone should have taught you that. Don’t give me this bull about it being the Republicans too. The evidence just doesn’t support this.

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posted 09-19-2003 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Baloney..Bush is handing over control to the UN of Iraq....this was their plan all along.

You havent been watching the news lately obviously.

As for California..yes Gray Davis is a crappy governor who rubberstamped a bill that basically bankrupted California. But it also had to do with ENRON , PG&E and de-regulation gone wrong.But guess what..because of RNC meddling California might get someone WORSE like Cruz Bustamante (card carrying member of"La Mecha"..or "the race") and (high in the polls I might add). You think the flow of illegals is bad now? You think immigrant "rights" are out of control now? Wait untill Cruz gets in.
Mabye thats what the NEO-CONS want anyway.


AGAIN..questioning REPUBLICANS does not make you a democrat supporter..as much as you would like to project that belief.

NEO: "Don’t give me this bull about it being the Republicans too. The evidence just doesn’t support this."


Evidence???????????


Read on... if you dare.


Bush Thwarted probe against the Bin-Ladens http://propagandamatrix.com/bush_thwarted_fbi_probe.html

CIA met with Bin Laden http://propagandamatrix.com/cia_agent_met_bin_laden_in_july.html

SEPT 11th PRIOR KNOWLAGE ARCHIVE.......
http://www.infowars.com/sept11_archive.htm

Jeb Bush Declares martial law in Florida days prior to the Sept 11th attacks http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25051

Boy in Dallas “predicts” Sept 11th attacks... http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1055222

Bush related company handled security for Dulles, WTC and United Airlines http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

9-11 was ALLOWED to happen http://www.wanttoknow.info/911timeline2pg

Gary Hart CFR “give 9-11 a chance to start a “New World Order”

Stock activity surge before 9-11 indicates insider trading http://www.rense.com/general18/germanexpertspress.htm

Air Force Officer says..”Bush knew” http://www.sumeria.net/politics/bushknew/milschool.html

Organized Crime in the Administration did 9-11 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/messages (34 essays presenting conclusive photographic evidence) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pentagon911/message/3 and subsequent http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman2.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman3.htm http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart/index.html http://www.freedomfiles.org/war http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm http://www.911dossier.co.uk/ http://earth-citizens.net http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/ http://www.the-movement.com/Hijackers/Agents.htm http://www.communitycurrency.org/pi.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/messages
< http://www.physics911.org/911/index.php/articles/21

ANOTHER SEPT. 11th PRIOR KNOWLAGE ARCHIVE
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_navbar.htm

REALRepublicans against NEO-CONSERVATIVES http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001256.html


Project for a New American century (PNAC) calls for a “Pearl Harbor Type event”
to secure global dominance.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001064.html

Bush administration LIES about Weapons of Mass Destruction to start another war. http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/061303Madsen/061303madsen.html

Rumsfeld admits he Misled senate about Iraq http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4108.htm

Big Government Bush--Rush limbaugh fall out of favor with the Bush admin. http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001380.html

Pat Bucannon predicts the fall of America due to Globalisation favored by both the left and the right. http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001378.html

I have a DISGUSTING STACK of articles like these all over the place on paper and on my hard drive..If you STILL want to live in DENIAL..

May I suggest the forum....

pub 31... Contrails and chemtrails at http://www.ezboard.com/

They would love to have you there!

But it averages about 3 posts a day though.

AGAIN..Most of the republicans are NO DIFFERENT than the democrats. They are both comprimised.

The system is hijacked...has been for years.

No phony left/right paradigm for me thanks.

But Bush had prior knowlage and let the Sept. 11th attacks take place..plain and simple.

Denial..it aint just a river in Egypt.

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For NEO, I once was a republican. Now I'm a constitutionalist. It was a painful process to realize just how much trouble we really are in.

The left-right paradigm is smoke and mirrors to keep us from the real issue. Dems do their destruction out in the open. Reps tell you one thing then follow the same path as the dems would. Check the record. Do you think Clinton could have gotten away with the un-constitutional PATRIOT ACT or TIPs program or Total Information Awareness, and especially the 2nd amendment issues, and on and on.

Different passengers on the same train on the way to the same destination. Globalization. One world government.

Read this from house floor.
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm

HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

July 10, 2003


Neo – CONNED !

The modern-day limited-government movement has been co-opted. The conservatives have failed in their effort to shrink the size of government. There has not been, nor will there soon be, a conservative revolution in Washington. Party control of the federal government has changed, but the inexorable growth in the size and scope of government has continued unabated. The liberal arguments for limited government in personal affairs and foreign military adventurism were never seriously considered as part of this revolution.

Since the change of the political party in charge has not made a difference, who’s really in charge? If the particular party in power makes little difference, whose policy is it that permits expanded government programs, increased spending, huge deficits, nation building and the pervasive invasion of our privacy, with fewer Fourth Amendment protections than ever before?

Someone is responsible, and it’s important that those of us who love liberty, and resent big-brother government, identify the philosophic supporters who have the most to say about the direction our country is going. If they’re wrong—and I believe they are—we need to show it, alert the American people, and offer a more positive approach to government. However, this depends on whether the American people desire to live in a free society and reject the dangerous notion that we need a strong central government to take care of us from the cradle to the grave. Do the American people really believe it’s the government’s responsibility to make us morally better and economically equal? Do we have a responsibility to police the world, while imposing our vision of good government on everyone else in the world with some form of utopian nation building? If not, and the contemporary enemies of liberty are exposed and rejected, then it behooves us to present an alternative philosophy that is morally superior and economically sound and provides a guide to world affairs to enhance peace and commerce.

One thing is certain: conservatives who worked and voted for less government in the Reagan years and welcomed the takeover of the U.S. Congress and the presidency in the 1990s and early 2000s were deceived. Soon they will realize that the goal of limited government has been dashed and that their views no longer matter.

The so-called conservative revolution of the past two decades has given us massive growth in government size, spending and regulations. Deficits are exploding and the national debt is now rising at greater than a half-trillion dollars per year. Taxes do not go down—even if we vote to lower them. They can’t, as long as spending is increased, since all spending must be paid for one way or another. Both Presidents Reagan and the elder George Bush raised taxes directly. With this administration, so far, direct taxes have been reduced—and they certainly should have been—but it means little if spending increases and deficits rise.

When taxes are not raised to accommodate higher spending, the bills must be paid by either borrowing or “printing” new money. This is one reason why we conveniently have a generous Federal Reserve chairman who is willing to accommodate the Congress. With borrowing and inflating, the “tax” is delayed and distributed in a way that makes it difficult for those paying the tax to identify it. Like future generations and those on fixed incomes who suffer from rising prices, and those who lose jobs they certainly feel the consequences of economic dislocation that this process causes. Government spending is always a “tax” burden on the American people and is never equally or fairly distributed. The poor and low-middle income workers always suffer the most from the deceitful tax of inflation and borrowing.

Many present-day conservatives, who generally argue for less government and supported the Reagan/Gingrich/Bush takeover of the federal government, are now justifiably disillusioned. Although not a monolithic group, they wanted to shrink the size of government.

Early in our history, the advocates of limited, constitutional government recognized two important principles: the rule of law was crucial, and a constitutional government must derive “just powers from the consent of the governed.” It was understood that an explicit transfer of power to government could only occur with power rightfully and naturally endowed to each individual as a God-given right. Therefore, the powers that could be transferred would be limited to the purpose of protecting liberty. Unfortunately, in the last 100 years, the defense of liberty has been fragmented and shared by various groups, with some protecting civil liberties, others economic freedom, and a small diverse group arguing for a foreign policy of nonintervention.

The philosophy of freedom has had a tough go of it, and it was hoped that the renewed interest in limited government of the past two decades would revive an interest in reconstituting the freedom philosophy into something more consistent. Those who worked for the goal of limited government power believed the rhetoric of politicians who promised smaller government. Sometimes it was just plain sloppy thinking on their part, but at other times, they fell victim to a deliberate distortion of a concise limited-government philosophy by politicians who misled many into believing that we would see a rollback on government intrusiveness.

Yes, there was always a remnant who longed for truly limited government and maintained a belief in the rule of law, combined with a deep conviction that free people and a government bound by a Constitution were the most advantageous form of government. They recognized it as the only practical way for prosperity to be spread to the maximum number of people while promoting peace and security.

That remnant—imperfect as it may have been—was heard from in the elections of 1980 and 1994 and then achieved major victories in 2000 and 2002 when professed limited-government proponents took over the White House, the Senate and the House. However, the true believers in limited government are now shunned and laughed at. At the very least, they are ignored—except when they are used by the new leaders of the right, the new conservatives now in charge of the U.S. government.

The remnant’s instincts were correct, and the politicians placated them with talk of free markets, limited government, and a humble, non-nation-building foreign policy. However, little concern for civil liberties was expressed in this recent quest for less government. Yet, for an ultimate victory of achieving freedom, this must change. Interest in personal privacy and choices has generally remained outside the concern of many conservatives—especially with the great harm done by their support of the drug war. Even though some confusion has emerged over our foreign policy since the breakdown of the Soviet empire, it’s been a net benefit in getting some conservatives back on track with a less militaristic, interventionist foreign policy. Unfortunately, after 9-ll, the cause of liberty suffered a setback. As a result, millions of Americans voted for the less-than-perfect conservative revolution because they believed in the promises of the politicians.

Now there’s mounting evidence to indicate exactly what happened to the revolution. Government is bigger than ever, and future commitments are overwhelming. Millions will soon become disenchanted with the new status quo delivered to the American people by the advocates of limited government and will find it to be just more of the old status quo. Victories for limited government have turned out to be hollow indeed.

Since the national debt is increasing at a rate greater than a half-trillion dollars per year, the debt limit was recently increased by an astounding $984 billion dollars. Total U.S. government obligations are $43 trillion, while the total net worth of U.S. households is about $40.6 trillion. The country is broke, but no one in Washington seems to notice or care. The philosophic and political commitment for both guns and butter—and especially the expanding American empire—must be challenged. This is crucial for our survival.

In spite of the floundering economy, Congress and the Administration continue to take on new commitments in foreign aid, education, farming, medicine, multiple efforts at nation building, and preemptive wars around the world. Already we’re entrenched in Iraq and Afghanistan, with plans to soon add new trophies to our conquest. War talk abounds as to when Syria, Iran and North Korea will be attacked.

How did all this transpire? Why did the government do it? Why haven’t the people objected? How long will it go on before something is done? Does anyone care?

Will the euphoria of grand military victories—against non-enemies—ever be mellowed? Someday, we as a legislative body must face the reality of the dire situation in which we have allowed ourselves to become enmeshed. Hopefully, it will be soon!

We got here because ideas do have consequences. Bad ideas have bad consequences, and even the best of intentions have unintended consequences. We need to know exactly what the philosophic ideas were that drove us to this point; then, hopefully, reject them and decide on another set of intellectual parameters.

There is abundant evidence exposing those who drive our foreign policy justifying preemptive war. Those who scheme are proud of the achievements in usurping control over foreign policy. These are the neoconservatives of recent fame. Granted, they are talented and achieved a political victory that all policymakers must admire. But can freedom and the republic survive this takeover? That question should concern us.

Neoconservatives are obviously in positions of influence and are well-placed throughout our government and the media. An apathetic Congress put up little resistance and abdicated its responsibilities over foreign affairs. The electorate was easily influenced to join in the patriotic fervor supporting the military adventurism advocated by the neoconservatives.

The numbers of those who still hope for truly limited government diminished and had their concerns ignored these past 22 months, during the aftermath of 9-11. Members of Congress were easily influenced to publicly support any domestic policy or foreign military adventure that was supposed to help reduce the threat of a terrorist attack. Believers in limited government were harder to find. Political money, as usual, played a role in pressing Congress into supporting almost any proposal suggested by the neocons. This process—where campaign dollars and lobbying efforts affect policy—is hardly the domain of any single political party, and unfortunately, is the way of life in Washington.

There are many reasons why government continues to grow. It would be naïve for anyone to expect otherwise. Since 9-11, protection of privacy, whether medical, personal or financial, has vanished. Free speech and the Fourth Amendment have been under constant attack. Higher welfare expenditures are endorsed by the leadership of both parties. Policing the world and nation-building issues are popular campaign targets, yet they are now standard operating procedures. There’s no sign that these programs will be slowed or reversed until either we are stopped by force overseas (which won’t be soon) or we go broke and can no longer afford these grandiose plans for a world empire (which will probably come sooner than later.)

None of this happened by accident or coincidence. Precise philosophic ideas prompted certain individuals to gain influence to implement these plans. The neoconservatives—a name they gave themselves—diligently worked their way into positions of power and influence. They documented their goals, strategy and moral justification for all they hoped to accomplish. Above all else, they were not and are not conservatives dedicated to limited, constitutional government.

Neo-conservatism has been around for decades and, strangely, has connections to past generations as far back as Machiavelli. Modern-day neo-conservatism was introduced to us in the 1960s. It entails both a detailed strategy as well as a philosophy of government. The ideas of Teddy Roosevelt, and certainly Woodrow Wilson, were quite similar to many of the views of present-day neocons. Neocon spokesman Max Boot brags that what he advocates is “hard Wilsonianism.” In many ways, there’s nothing “neo” about their views, and certainly nothing conservative. Yet they have been able to co-opt the conservative movement by advertising themselves as a new or modern form of conservatism.

More recently, the modern-day neocons have come from the far left, a group historically identified as former Trotskyites. Liberal, Christopher Hitchens, has recently officially joined the neocons, and it has been reported that he has already been to the White House as an ad hoc consultant. Many neocons now in positions of influence in Washington can trace their status back to Professor Leo Strauss of the University of Chicago. One of Strauss’ books was Thoughts on Machiavelli. This book was not a condemnation of Machiavelli’s philosophy. Paul Wolfowitz actually got his PhD under Strauss. Others closely associated with these views are Richard Perle, Eliot Abrams, Robert Kagan, and William Kristol. All are key players in designing our new strategy of preemptive war. Others include: Michael Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute; former CIA Director James Woolsey; Bill Bennett of Book of Virtues fame; Frank Gaffney; Dick Cheney; and Donald Rumsfeld. There are just too many to mention who are philosophically or politically connected to the neocon philosophy in some varying degree.

The godfather of modern-day neo-conservatism is considered to be Irving Kristol, father of Bill Kristol, who set the stage in 1983 with his publication Reflections of a Neoconservative. In this book, Kristol also defends the traditional liberal position on welfare.

More important than the names of people affiliated with neo-conservatism are the views they adhere to. Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:

They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.

They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.

They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.

They accept the notion that the ends justify the means—that hardball politics is a moral necessity.

They express no opposition to the welfare state.

They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.

They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.

They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.

They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.

They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill advised.

They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.

They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.

Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.

9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.

They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)

They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.

They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

Various organizations and publications over the last 30 years have played a significant role in the rise to power of the neoconservatives. It took plenty of money and commitment to produce the intellectual arguments needed to convince the many participants in the movement of its respectability.

It is no secret—especially after the rash of research and articles written about the neocons since our invasion of Iraq—how they gained influence and what organizations were used to promote their cause. Although for decades, they agitated for their beliefs through publications like The National Review, The Weekly Standard, The Public Interest, The Wall Street Journal, Commentary, and the New York Post, their views only gained momentum in the 1990s following the first Persian Gulf War—which still has not ended even with removal of Saddam Hussein. They became convinced that a much more militant approach to resolving all the conflicts in the Middle East was an absolute necessity, and they were determined to implement that policy.

In addition to publications, multiple think tanks and projects were created to promote their agenda. A product of the Bradley Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) led the neocon charge, but the real push for war came from the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) another organization helped by the Bradley Foundation. This occurred in 1998 and was chaired by Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol. They urged early on for war against Iraq, but were disappointed with the Clinton administration, which never followed through with its periodic bombings. Obviously, these bombings were motivated more by Clinton’s personal and political problems than a belief in the neocon agenda.

The election of 2000 changed all that. The Defense Policy Board, chaired by Richard Perle, played no small role in coordinating the various projects and think tanks, all determined to take us into war against Iraq. It wasn’t too long before the dream of empire was brought closer to reality by the election of 2000 with Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld playing key roles in this accomplishment. The plan to promote an “American greatness” imperialistic foreign policy was now a distinct possibility. Iraq offered a great opportunity to prove their long-held theories. This opportunity was a consequence of the 9-11 disaster.

The money and views of Rupert Murdoch also played a key role in promoting the neocon views, as well as rallying support by the general population, through his News Corporation, which owns Fox News Network, the New York Post, and Weekly Standard. This powerful and influential media empire did more to galvanize public support for the Iraqi invasion than one might imagine. This facilitated the Rumsfeld/Cheney policy as their plans to attack Iraq came to fruition. It would have been difficult for the neocons to usurp foreign policy from the restraints of Colin Powell’s State Department without the successful agitation of the Rupert Murdoch empire. Max Boot was satisfied, as he explained: “Neoconservatives believe in using American might to promote American ideals abroad.” This attitude is a far cry from the advice of the Founders, who advocated no entangling alliances and neutrality as the proper goal of American foreign policy.

Let there be no doubt, those in the neocon camp had been anxious to go to war against Iraq for a decade. They justified the use of force to accomplish their goals, even if it required preemptive war. If anyone doubts this assertion, they need only to read of their strategy in “A Clean Break: a New Strategy for Securing the Realm.” Although they felt morally justified in changing the government in Iraq, they knew that public support was important, and justification had to be given to pursue the war. Of course, a threat to us had to exist before the people and the Congress would go along with war. The majority of Americans became convinced of this threat, which, in actuality, never really existed. Now we have the ongoing debate over the location of weapons of mass destruction. Where was the danger? Was all this killing and spending necessary? How long will this nation building and dying go on? When will we become more concerned about the needs of our own citizens than the problems we sought in Iraq and Afghanistan? Who knows where we’ll go next—Iran, Syria or North Korea?

At the end of the Cold War, the neoconservatives realized a rearrangement of the world was occurring and that our superior economic and military power offered them a perfect opportunity to control the process of remaking the Middle East.

It was recognized that a new era was upon us, and the neocons welcomed Frances Fukuyama’s “end of history” declaration. To them, the debate was over. The West won; the Soviets lost. Old-fashioned communism was dead. Long live the new era of neoconservatism. The struggle may not be over, but the West won the intellectual fight, they reasoned. The only problem is that the neocons decided to define the philosophy of the victors. They have been amazingly successful in their efforts to control the debate over what Western values are and by what methods they will be spread throughout the world.

Communism surely lost a lot with the breakup of the Soviet Empire, but this can hardly be declared a victory for American liberty, as the Founders understood it. Neoconservatism is not the philosophy of free markets and a wise foreign policy. Instead, it represents big-government welfare at home and a program of using our military might to spread their version of American values throughout the world. Since neoconservatives dominate the way the U.S. government now operates, it behooves us all to understand their beliefs and goals. The breakup of the Soviet system may well have been an epic event but to say that the views of the neocons are the unchallenged victors and that all we need do is wait for their implementation is a capitulation to controlling the forces of history that many Americans are not yet ready to concede. There is surely no need to do so.

There is now a recognized philosophic connection between modern-day neoconservatives and Irving Kristol, Leo Strauss, and Machiavelli. This is important in understanding that today’s policies and the subsequent problems will be with us for years to come if these policies are not reversed.

Not only did Leo Strauss write favorably of Machiavelli, Michael Ledeen, a current leader of the neoconservative movement, did the same in 1999 in his book with the title, Machiavelli on Modern Leadership, and subtitled: Why Machiavelli’s iron rules are as timely and important today as five centuries ago. Ledeen is indeed an influential neocon theorist whose views get lots of attention today in Washington. His book on Machiavelli, interestingly enough, was passed out to Members of Congress attending a political strategy meeting shortly after its publication and at just about the time A Clean Break was issued.

In Ledeen’s most recent publication, The War Against the Terror Masters, he reiterates his beliefs outlined in this 1999 Machaivelli book. He specifically praises: “Creative destruction…both within our own society and abroad…(foreigners) seeing America undo traditional societies may fear us, for they do not wish to be undone.” Amazingly, Ledeen concludes: “They must attack us in order to survive, just as we must destroy them to advance our historic mission.”

If those words don’t scare you, nothing will. If they are not a clear warning, I don’t know what could be. It sounds like both sides of each disagreement in the world will be following the principle of preemptive war. The world is certainly a less safe place for it.

In Machiavelli on Modern Leadership, Ledeen praises a business leader for correctly understanding Machiavelli: “There are no absolute solutions. It all depends. What is right and what is wrong depends on what needs to be done and how.” This is a clear endorsement of situational ethics and is not coming from the traditional left. It reminds me of: “It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is’ is.”

Ledeen quotes Machiavelli approvingly on what makes a great leader. “A prince must have no other objectives or other thoughts or take anything for his craft, except war.” To Ledeen, this meant: “…the virtue of the warrior are those of great leaders of any successful organization.” Yet it’s obvious that war is not coincidental to neocon philosophy, but an integral part. The intellectuals justify it, and the politicians carry it out. There’s a precise reason to argue for war over peace according to Ledeen, for “…peace increases our peril by making discipline less urgent, encouraging some of our worst instincts, in depriving us of some of our best leaders.” Peace, he claims, is a dream and not even a pleasant one, for it would cause indolence and would undermine the power of the state. Although I concede the history of the world is a history of frequent war, to capitulate and give up even striving for peace—believing peace is not a benefit to mankind—is a frightening thought that condemns the world to perpetual war and justifies it as a benefit and necessity. These are dangerous ideas, from which no good can come.

The conflict of the ages has been between the state and the individual: central power versus liberty. The more restrained the state and the more emphasis on individual liberty, the greater has been the advancement of civilization and general prosperity. Just as man’s condition was not locked in place by the times and wars of old and improved with liberty and free markets, there’s no reason to believe a new stage for man might not be achieved by believing and working for conditions of peace. The inevitability and so-called need for preemptive war should never be intellectually justified as being a benefit. Such an attitude guarantees the backsliding of civilization. Neocons, unfortunately, claim that war is in man’s nature and that we can’t do much about it, so let’s use it to our advantage by promoting our goodness around the world through force of arms. That view is anathema to the cause of liberty and the preservation of the Constitution. If it is not loudly refuted, our future will be dire indeed.

Ledeen believes man is basically evil and cannot be left to his own desires. Therefore, he must have proper and strong leadership, just as Machiavelli argued. Only then can man achieve good, as Ledeen explains: “In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader may have to ‘enter into evil.’ This is the chilling insight that has made Machiavelli so feared, admired and challenging…we are rotten,” argues Ledeen. “It’s true that we can achieve greatness if, and only if, we are properly led.” In other words, man is so depraved that individuals are incapable of moral, ethical and spiritual greatness, and achieving excellence and virtue can only come from a powerful authoritarian leader. What depraved ideas are these to now be influencing our leaders in Washington? The question Ledeen doesn’t answer is: “Why do the political leaders not suffer from the same shortcomings and where do they obtain their monopoly on wisdom?”

Once this trust is placed in the hands of a powerful leader, this neocon argues that certain tools are permissible to use. For instance: “Lying is central to the survival of nations and to the success of great enterprises, because if our enemies can count on the reliability of everything you say, your vulnerability is enormously increased.” What about the effects of lying on one’s own people? Who cares if a leader can fool the enemy? Does calling it “strategic deception” make lying morally justifiable? Ledeen and Machiavelli argue that it does, as long as the survivability of the state is at stake. Preserving the state is their goal, even if the personal liberty of all individuals has to be suspended or canceled.

Ledeen makes it clear that war is necessary to establish national boundaries—because that’s the way it’s always been done. Who needs progress of the human race! He explains:

"Look at the map of the world: national boundaries have not been drawn by peaceful men leading lives of spiritual contemplation. National boundaries have been established by war, and national character has been shaped by struggle, most often bloody struggle."

Yes, but who is to lead the charge and decide which borders we are to fight for? What about borders 6,000 miles away unrelated to our own contiguous borders and our own national security? Stating a relative truism regarding the frequency of war throughout history should hardly be the moral justification for expanding the concept of war to settle man’s disputes. How can one call this progress?


Machiavelli, Ledeen and the neocons recognized a need to generate a religious zeal for promoting the state. This, he claims, is especially necessary when force is used to promote an agenda. It’s been true throughout history and remains true today, each side of major conflicts invokes God’s approval. Our side refers to a “crusade;” theirs to a “holy Jihad.” Too often wars boil down to their god against our God. It seems this principle is more a cynical effort to gain approval from the masses, especially those most likely to be killed for the sake of the war promoters on both sides who have power, prestige and wealth at stake.


Ledeen explains why God must always be on the side of advocates of war: “Without fear of God, no state can last long, for the dread of eternal damnation keeps men in line, causes them to honor their promises, and inspires them to risk their lives for the common good.” It seems dying for the common good has gained a higher moral status than eternal salvation of one’s soul. Ledeen adds:

"Without fear of punishment, men will not obey laws that force them to act contrary to their passions. Without fear of arms, the state cannot enforce the laws…to this end, Machiavelli wants leaders to make the state spectacular."

It’s of interest to note that some large Christian denominations have joined the neoconservatives in promoting preemptive war, while completely ignoring the Christian doctrine of a Just War. The neocons sought and openly welcomed their support.


I’d like someone to glean anything from what the Founders said or placed in the Constitution that agrees with this now-professed doctrine of a “spectacular” state promoted by those who now have so much influence on our policies here at home and abroad. Ledeen argues that this religious element, this fear of God, is needed for discipline of those who may be hesitant to sacrifice their lives for the good of the “spectacular state.”

He explains in eerie terms: “Dying for one’s country doesn’t come naturally. Modern armies, raised from the populace, must be inspired, motivated, indoctrinated. Religion is central to the military enterprise, for men are more likely to risk their lives if they believe they will be rewarded forever after for serving their country.” This is an admonition that might just as well have been given by Osama bin Laden, in rallying his troops to sacrifice their lives to kill the invading infidels, as by our intellectuals at the AEI, who greatly influence our foreign policy.

Neocons—anxious for the U.S. to use force to realign the boundaries and change regimes in the Middle East—clearly understand the benefit of a galvanizing and emotional event to rally the people to their cause. Without a special event, they realized the difficulty in selling their policy of preemptive war where our own military personnel would be killed. Whether it was the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin, or the Maine, all served their purpose in promoting a war that was sought by our leaders.

Ledeen writes of a fortuitous event (1999):

…of course, we can always get lucky. Stunning events from outside can providentially awaken the enterprise from its growing torpor, and demonstrate the need for reversal, as the devastating Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 so effectively aroused the U.S. from its soothing dreams of permanent neutrality.

Amazingly, Ledeen calls Pearl Harbor a “lucky” event. The Project for a New American Century, as recently as September 2000, likewise, foresaw the need for “a Pearl Harbor event” that would galvanize the American people to support their ambitious plans to ensure political and economic domination of the world, while strangling any potential “rival.”

Recognizing a “need” for a Pearl Harbor event, and referring to Pearl Harbor as being “lucky” are not identical to support and knowledge of such an event, but this sympathy for a galvanizing event, as 9-11 turned out to be, was used to promote an agenda that strict constitutionalists and devotees of the Founders of this nation find appalling is indeed disturbing. After 9-11, Rumsfeld and others argued for an immediate attack on Iraq, even though it was not implicated in the attacks.

The fact that neo-conservatives ridicule those who firmly believe that U.S. interests and world peace would best be served by a policy of neutrality and avoiding foreign entanglements should not go unchallenged. Not to do so is to condone their grandiose plans for American world hegemony.

The current attention given neocons is usually done in the context of foreign policy. But there’s more to what’s going on today than just the tremendous influence the neocons have on our new policy of preemptive war with a goal of empire. Our government is now being moved by several ideas that come together in what I call “neoconism.” The foreign policy is being openly debated, even if its implications are not fully understood by many who support it. Washington is now driven by old views brought together in a new package.

We know those who lead us—both in the administration and in Congress—show no appetite to challenge the tax or monetary systems that do so much damage to our economy. The IRS and the Federal Reserve are off limits for criticism or reform. There’s no resistance to spending, either domestic or foreign. Debt is not seen as a problem. The supply-siders won on this issue, and now many conservatives readily endorse deficit spending.

There’s no serious opposition to the expanding welfare state, with rapid growth of the education, agriculture and medical-care bureaucracy. Support for labor unions and protectionism are not uncommon. Civil liberties are easily sacrificed in the post 9-11 atmosphere prevailing in Washington. Privacy issues are of little concern, except for a few members of Congress. Foreign aid and internationalism—in spite of some healthy criticism of the UN and growing concerns for our national sovereignty—are championed on both sides of the aisle. Lip service is given to the free market and free trade, yet the entire economy is run by special-interest legislation favoring big business, big labor and, especially, big money.

Instead of the “end of history,” we are now experiencing the end of a vocal limited-government movement in our nation’s capital. While most conservatives no longer defend balanced budgets and reduced spending, most liberals have grown lazy in defending civil liberties and now are approving wars that we initiate. The so-called “third way” has arrived and, sadly, it has taken the worst of what the conservatives and liberals have to offer. The people are less well off for it, while liberty languishes as a result.

Neocons enthusiastically embrace the Department of Education and national testing. Both parties overwhelmingly support the huge commitment to a new prescription drug program. Their devotion to the new approach called “compassionate conservatism” has lured many conservatives into supporting programs for expanding the federal role in welfare and in church charities. The faith-based initiative is a neocon project, yet it only repackages and expands the liberal notion of welfare. The intellectuals who promoted these initiatives were neocons, but there’s nothing conservative about expanding the federal government’s role in welfare.

The supply-siders’ policy of low-marginal tax rates has been incorporated into neoconism, as well as their support for easy money and generous monetary inflation. Neoconservatives are disinterested in the gold standard and even ignore the supply-siders’ argument for a phony gold standard.

Is it any wonder that federal government spending is growing at a rate faster than in any time in the past 35 years?

Power, politics and privilege prevail over the rule of law, liberty, justice and peace. But it does not need to be that way. Neoconism has brought together many old ideas about how government should rule the people. It may have modernized its appeal and packaging, but authoritarian rule is authoritarian rule, regardless of the humanitarian overtones. A solution can only come after the current ideology driving our government policies is replaced with a more positive one. In a historical context, liberty is a modern idea and must once again regain the high moral ground for civilization to advance. Restating the old justifications for war, people control and a benevolent state will not suffice. It cannot eliminate the shortcomings that always occur when the state assumes authority over others and when the will of one nation is forced on another—whether or not it is done with good intentions.

I realize that all conservatives are not neoconservatives, and all neocons don’t necessarily agree on all points—which means that in spite of their tremendous influence, most Members of Congress and those in the administration do not necessarily take their marching orders from the AEI or Richard Perle. But to use this as a reason to ignore what neoconservative leaders believe, write about it and agitate for—with amazing success I might point out—would be at our own peril. This country still allows open discourse—though less everyday—and we who disagree should push the discussion and expose those who drive our policies. It is getting more difficult to get fair and balanced discussion on the issues, because it has become routine for the hegemons to label those who object to preemptive war and domestic surveillance as traitors, unpatriotic and un-American. The uniformity of support for our current foreign policy by major and cable-news networks should concern every American. We should all be thankful for CSPAN and the internet.

Michael Ledeen and other neoconservatives are already lobbying for war against Iran. Ledeen is pretty nasty to those who call for a calmer, reasoned approach by calling those who are not ready for war “cowards and appeasers of tyrants.” Because some urge a less militaristic approach to dealing with Iran, he claims they are betraying America’s best “traditions.” I wonder where he learned early American history! It’s obvious that Ledeen doesn’t consider the Founders and the Constitution part of our best traditions. We were hardly encouraged by the American revolutionaries to pursue an American empire. We were, however, urged to keep the Republic they so painstakingly designed.

If the neoconservatives retain control of the conservative, limited-government movement in Washington, the ideas, once championed by conservatives, of limiting the size and scope of government will be a long-forgotten dream.

The believers in liberty ought not deceive themselves. Who should be satisfied? Certainly not conservatives, for there is no conservative movement left. How could liberals be satisfied? They are pleased with the centralization of education and medical programs in Washington and support many of the administration’s proposals. But none should be pleased with the steady attack on the civil liberties of all American citizens and the now-accepted consensus that preemptive war—for almost any reason—is an acceptable policy for dealing with all the conflicts and problems of the world.

In spite of the deteriorating conditions in Washington—with loss of personal liberty, a weak economy, exploding deficits, and perpetual war, followed by nation building—there are still quite a number of us who would relish the opportunity to improve things, in one way or another. Certainly, a growing number of frustrated Americans, from both the right and the left, are getting anxious to see this Congress do a better job. But first, Congress must stop doing a bad job.

We’re at the point where we need a call to arms, both here in Washington and across the country. I’m not talking about firearms. Those of us who care need to raise both arms and face our palms out and begin waving and shouting: Stop! Enough is enough! It should include liberals, conservatives and independents. We’re all getting a bum rap from politicians who are pushed by polls and controlled by special-interest money.

One thing is certain, no matter how morally justified the programs and policies seem, the ability to finance all the guns and butter being promised is limited, and those limits are becoming more apparent every day.

Spending, borrowing and printing money cannot be the road to prosperity. It hasn’t worked in Japan, and it isn’t working here either. As a matter of fact, it’s never worked anytime throughout history. A point is always reached where government planning, spending and inflation run out of steam. Instead of these old tools reviving an economy, as they do in the early stages of economic interventionism, they eventually become the problem. Both sides of the political spectrum must one day realize that limitless government intrusion in the economy, in our personal lives and in the affairs of other nations cannot serve the best interests of America. This is not a conservative problem, nor is it a liberal problem—it’s a government intrusion problem that comes from both groups, albeit for different reasons. The problems emanate from both camps that champion different programs for different reasons. The solution will come when both groups realize that it’s not merely a single-party problem, or just a liberal or just a conservative problem.

Once enough of us decide we’ve had enough of all these so-called good things that the government is always promising—or more likely, when the country is broke and the government is unable to fulfill its promises to the people—we can start a serious discussion on the proper role for government in a free society. Unfortunately, it will be some time before Congress gets the message that the people are demanding true reform. This requires that those responsible for today’s problems are exposed and their philosophy of pervasive government intrusion is rejected.

Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. A few have, and others will continue to do so, but too many—both in and out of government—close their eyes to the issue of personal liberty and ignore the fact that endless borrowing to finance endless demands cannot be sustained. True prosperity can only come from a healthy economy and sound money. That can only be achieved in a free society.

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Hey Kook..

Have you met any single X-republican turned constitutionalist, gun-toting, lara croft type babes lately lookin' for a yankee?

Just kidding!


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Just me and I married a southern redneck. By the by...bought a new shotgun last Sat. Winchester Defender 1300. Great fun.

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posted 09-20-2003 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol!

Just wanted you to see that my memory is still good and hasn't turned to mush from watching too much Bill O'reilly.

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posted 09-20-2003 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowbirdAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi I am in college studying the latest books on art, ecology, globalization, drugs ect... mech you are right about bush handing us over to the U.N. we,ve been sold out. An illunati plan for centuries. Its really the devils plan. Why dont people see it. But anyway I wanted to tell you what I know of denver. In 1996 I visited there. They call Denver the devils spade. The jefferson co. jail from an areil veiw is a pair of handcuffs. The court house is in the shape of a key. The courthouse is all done in brass trim and very modern. You have to go through a metal detector to get to the courtrooms. there is a underground tunnel that leads the jail to the courthouse. The small town had a little Jail and told the government they needed a prison for the funding of the Jail. When this maximum security prison was built. After it was built they claimed they didn,t need a prison but a jail. This jail is in the same city as coors beer, Golden Colorado. This archectecture is probaly the key for the Illumnanti. The cops are so crooked in colorado its not funny. I found out while I was there that they run the whole drug business ect.. Anyway this is just some food for thought.

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You know yesterday I was at a friends house and they had a money magazine and on the cover it said how the new world order dream may never come to how should I say this, I guess being enacted or in play. Just goes to show how the big money people are in step with the process and how they think it's the solution to world peace. In effect the article said that the NWO dream might be an idea lost.

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I hear you Prof. If you and I talk about the NWO we're called kooks and paranoids, but the elites can throw it in your face speech after speech and in their own print articles no problem. More people are waking up every day, I meet so many now compared to years ago.

I agree with the fact that it is the devil's plan. Some only see the politics of it and not the spiritual warfare or the set up for the antichrist system.

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Its a BEAST system.

And if there was one organization that I would consider to be "the devils work" its DARPA.

They are creating the most orwellian technology I think Ive ever seen.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mech:
Hey Kook..

Have you met any single X-republican turned constitutionalist, gun-toting, lara croft type babes lately lookin' for a yankee?

Just kidding!


Hey Mech! I know just the place you can go to find exactly what you want. It’s the same place I’d have to go to find a Tim McGraw crooning hunk of a cowboy…

Now close your eyes, relax, and go to sleep – zzzzzzzzzz.

LOL!


BTW, Hello to SnowbirdAngel - I'm pretty new here myself. This board is full of a lot of excellent information. I'm sure you'll find many answers to chemtrail, environmental, and Illuminati related question here.


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Hey, You know nobody has noticed how the arieal view of the airport looks like a rams head

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new guy here.

The ariel view does look like a rams head or the glyph for Aries. I have seen the swastika pattern qute often, its not that uncommon. This is creepy though.

The Great Seal of Colorado fretures the Eye in the Pyramid overseeing a bundled AX. The Heraldry looks very German despite the origins of the Centennial State being Spanish.

Col. Seal http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=seal+of+colorado&ei=UTF-8 &fr=fp-tab-img-t&cop=mss&tab=3

A few questions about the generalness of the artwork.

What's up with the rainbow over the warlord? that's just strange.
the Penguin in the cube?
Why do you need gargoyles INSIDE an Airport?


New World Order Airport Commision.

This site came up under that search, and nothing of specific response. IT doesn't exist yet. That's what. I think it is strange to put so much into the airport, it seems too obvious. But then again, the downtown masonic bulidings are on 16th street mall, across from the State Cap, and the York Rite next to the State credit union.

they symbolisim is strong, the underground tunnels rummored about probably connect to underground caverns and military access ports. It's what makes the most sense of all.

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I dont fully understand this NWO thing.

If the United Nations is behind the NWO... then how come Canada, France, Australia, United Kingdom and Germany be for Legalizing Marijuana for not only personal use but for Medical and Industrial use.

Personally Im kinda for a 1 world government that is free from Jews and Christians.

If I can use a computer and smoke marijuana like I do now...then I dont care about any NWO.

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So I have always been intrigued by this damn Airport and have found something very interesting. It seems the cryptic paintings are changing with world events:
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver/Tidbits.html


(Before and After) The burning city was made clearer and more intense in color
from it's original grey, pink and yellow suggestion of city.


Now it's totally painted over and the
rowed field is just plain green. Is this
because of the 9-11attack?
Why change the field? If they're
worrying about the image upsetting
people, the whole damn thing upsets people.


(Original and Updated) The children sleeping (or dead) on a pile of bricks was made more colorful and the child in the background made a "minority". This mural is now covered up and gone.


(Original and Updated) The kid (German Nazi?) with the hammer was changed, too. Barely. He was made lighter and more colorful from his drab grey. A green shirt in the background was changed to blue (you can see a sliver of green in there along the collar) The woman next to him who holds the sword and had a nice Pepsodent smile but is now solemn.

Found at: http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Denver/Tidbits.html

This is the most comprehensive site on the airport I have found yet. Good hunting. Down with the real evil doers!


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Plus these little bits I have gathered:

The Queen of England has reportedly been buying up property in Colorado under a proxy.

There is a lot of "secret society" symbology at the airport, an AWFUL lot in fact.

The symbolism apparent in the layout of the new Denver airport, some feel, says that it may be a control center for world control.
Specifically, those involved in some very unusual government projects in the past, have remarked that the Denver area is where the establishment of the Western sector of the New World Order will be in the United States.

Denver is of very high altitude and ideal for safe underground building
The dedication or capstone of the new Denver Internation Airport is a masonic symbol.

If you visit the airport's south eastern side of the terminal you will find the Masonic Capstone in Granite.
This part of the terminal is called The Great Hall, which is known in Masonic lingo as their meeting hall.

On the Masonic Capstone is inscribed NEW WORLD AIRPORT COMMISION.

An eyewitness who has since "committed suicide" named Phil Schneider was a whistle blower re: Denver International Airport's underground facilities. He helped build the underground facilities and reportedly "killed" himself via a double tie catheter behind his own neck strangling himself. It goes without saying that it appears that he was MURDERED.
Phil also worked on other government underground facilities such as Area 51 and Dulce and more.

See http://www.geocities.com/Area51/9357/ Which is a tribute to Phil, although I cannot vouch for the site myself.

In the same general area as the Masonic capstone, there are Masonic designs inlaided in the floor, such as the expression DZIT DIT GAII,

Apparently DZIT DIT GAII refers to the BLACK SUN some sort of NAZI symbology.
NAZI's apparently were into "BLACK SUN" worship, i.e. Saturn, i.e. Satanism, should not surprise us.

There are many murals at the airport of an EXTREMELY grotesque and apocalyptic nature.
After looking at the murals many come away saying that they may represent what the elites plan to do with us and world.

Mayan Tablet that predicts destruction of Civilization. See: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002276.html

Many German nationals have been seen along Americans in more sensitive areas of the airport's underground facilities on a regular basis

The Artists who made the murals etc in DENVER INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT have been interviewed wherein they first claimed that guidelines WERE provided for their work
Upon further investigation, they appear to have forgotten that they previously said guidelines were given.

Another mural depicts nothing but mind-altering or poisonous plants and animals all of which are recognized as Masonic symbols worldwide.


Phil Schneider claimed during the last year of constuction that the underground airport system was being connected to a deep underground base
At least 8 levels deep
4.5 square mile underground city
88.5 square mile base underneath the airport [HARD to BELIEVE, huh] Your tax money at work ?

Rodney Stitch, author of Defrauding of America, claims to have a copy of a tape of a CIA agent paying off the mayor of Denver to get the airport built [$1.5 million payoff]


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Third eye vision.

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