posted 11-23-2001 11:02 AM            

On 12 December, 2000, a special private/closed meeting was held between key NTSB Flight 800 team leaders and three civilians. Heading the meeting was non other than NTSB Chairman, Jim Hall, with the presence of Dennis Grossi, lead FDR specialist on the Flight 800 matter and chief signatory to the official NTSB Report, and three others - two of which were 'Advisors' to Jim Hall with no other apparent official duties or responsibilities. The topic was Flight 800 Flight Data Recorder discrepancies contained within the official Flight 800 report from NTSB under the investigative leadership of Bernie Loeb and, his boss, Jim Hall. The meeting, and what happened afterwards at NTSB, did NOT make news, but they should have. Americans might ask why media thought otherwise...

Civilian investigators have long maintained that Navy and or FBI have tampered with Flight Recorder and Cockpit Voice Recorder data tapes, and or manipulated their reports to conceal or ignore evidence contained therein - some of which is documented in The Three Simple Proofs on my Web site.

One of the victim families (husband and wife) had obtained the services of Mr. Glen H. Schulze, a Flight Data Recorder expert and consultant, who had in turn worked closely with several of the civilian investigators still battling an unfulfilled Freedom of Information Act request for a true copy of the FDR tapes. Readers might ask why NTSB has repeatedly stonewalled this FOI request and refused to obey the law. What happened at the meeting may provide an answer, as found in minutes kept by Mr. Schulze - NTSB didn't seem to want to keep any such minutes.

Jim Hall opened the two-hour meeting with acknowledgement of the fact that he was aware of the claim by civilian investigators and Mr. Schulze, that 4 seconds or more of flight data might have been omitted from the end of the FDR - concealing critical clues about what really happened. Schulze then carefully presented a logical step-by-step discussion using flip charts to make his case, one which is based on the technical construct of data on the tape, and similar matters. This is in contrast to the presentation I make in the Three Simple Proofs which looks at the actual data contained in the first few 'missing' seconds and shows it perfectly viable and useful as evidence of what actually happened.

Schulze closed the introductory presentation with a summary statement. No NTSB staff member commented or objected to his presentation or his facts, no rebuttal was made, no corrections offered. Jim Hall instead elected to 'attack the messenger' and 'change the topic', two of the 25 Rules of Disinformation, by objecting to the harsh wording in a letter from Schulze to Hall in which the expression 'bungled forgery of the actual TWA FL 800 FDR tape' was used. Schulze apologized and offered to 'rewrite' the letter, and then proceeded to offer technical proofs in greater detail about the validity of the missing four seconds. This summary closed with an explanation in support of evidentiary claims that the FBI/NTSB had not published all of the FDR data, which happened to include GMT information, among other things.

At this point Grossi offered a minimal objection which underscores the ridiculous nature of the entire Flight 800 treatment by government. In part, he stated "We no longer publish FDR embedded GMT times because it is too accurate" Then another NTSB FDR specialist present, a Mr. Cash, insisted that a particular element of Mr. Schulze' argument had a simple explanation tied to "the result of the erase head loosing AC power." Yet Schulze countered with two point blank questions which contravened the intent and implied logic of the remark - apparently an effective rebuttle. Cash could not answer the questions, and made no attempt, effectively recanting. The disinformational subterfuge in these questions by Cash seems obvious, as described by the minutes, and more so when carefully following the technical dialog itself.

Hall then again attempted to divert dialog by asking Schulze about his affiliation with the University of Texas (Schulze confirmed), as if that had any bearing on scientific and material facts under discussion. Hall then employed another disinformation tactic by lauding the great effort of NTSB in the matter, stating that "the NTSB had performed above and beyond the usual level of effort on TWA FL 800 to the amount of $100m." Noting this was taxpayer money, he said that he hoped all present were taxpayers. Again, what is the relevance, and how does it answer the challenges of fraud put to him and his experts by Schulze? IF the money had been well spent, and had obtained true and correct results, why could his top specialists not answer Mr. Schulze' questions in response to their own commentary?

Next, Mrs. (victim family member name withheld to observe their privacy) asked what the NTSB had found regarding the short sound at the very end of the Cockpit Voice Recorder tape. This is an important question as also demonstrated in The Three Simple Proofs, NTSB has failed to properly address CVR sound analysis, a critical matter because, like the FDR, it literally screams evidence as to what actually happened - evidence ignored by NTSB. Schulze added two specific technical aspects to be addressed in the NTSB response, and reminded the NTSB of their own findings on such matters in prior investigations, findings which narrow any possible answer significantly, but which do not preclude missile fire scenarios. Schulze and the family also asked for true copies of the CVR tape.

The questions were not answered or even acknowledged, according to the minutes. There was instead a dialog about the request for the tape, the legality of it, and a suggestion the request be put into writing. The meeting was terminated by Jim Hall at this point, the only result of which put the responsibility for follow up upon the shoulders of Mr. Schulze, to write two letters to NTSB. One, a rewrite to soothe Jim Hall's ego, the other to request officially the CVR tape. NTSB escaped with no commitments to answer any of the tough questions and charges faced at the meeting. In other words, the NTSB held a meeting with family members and civilian investigators which was specifically intended to answer concerns about the accuracy and legitimacy of the NTSB investigation. At that meeting, the NTSB asked questions of the civilians but answered no questions by the civilians. This is like a courtroom convened to try a killer but instead of asking the killer any questions, only the prosecuting attorney is put on the stand.

Four days later, on a Saturday if information is correct, both NTSB Chairman Jim Hall and Flight 800 Investigation Team Leader Bernie Loeb resigned their posts without fanfare. This clever tactic not makes impossible any answer to the Schulze questions, and in point of fact, makes the entire meeting moot and void. Done over a weekend, Hall and Loeb never had to return to work if they did not want to. What better way for a quick exit, stage left? There is no proof that the resignations are tied to the meeting and the NTSB's inability or unwillingness to answer serious questions about the accuracy of the NTSB investigation, inaccuracies which any civilian investigator could easily see, which were confirmed by experts in the field, but which NTSB choose not to see. There is no proof that the resignations were not for personal reasons, political reasons tied to the incoming administration, or some other 'justified' reasoning - and no such public statements are known to have been offered at this writing. There is no proof, and that is because Jim Hall, Bernie Loeb, and the NTSB has elected not to offer it - just in the same manner the elected not to respond to proofs of fraud. In absence of any proof in their favor, and in the presence of proofs to their discredit, the reader must decide. Why the resignations if there is no cover up and no fraud?

posted 11-25-2001 02:07 PM            

(The following and previous post were found at;.....)

http://www.proparanoid.com/800i.html#altered

re:TWA flight 800

Each of the Three Simple Proofs are confirmed herein with three documented examples each. By no means are these the only proofs or examples available, but for the means of simplicity, the discussion is limited to 3x3, alone. There are likewise available documented proofs against FBI/Justice, Navy/DOD, CIA/NSA, the White House/Congress, and media, for their various roles in the conspiracy. But the challenge and focus here is to solidly demonstrate the Conspiracy exists, not to define its fullness in partnerships and complexities. Truth in Flames, on the other hand, maps out the entire cover up, illustrates the mechanics of deceit, and names the culprits.

Virtually all proofs herein are derived from the official CD-ROM version of the NTSB report on Flight 800 supplied by NTSB itself -- shown below with appropriate truth in labeling provided by the author. Should anyone care to challenge the conclusions in this review, they will be challenging not only the view of this author, but also the view of Boeing and TWA engineers, former crash investigation experts, a former NASA scientist, former FAA, military, and other experts.

The Proofs:

Proof Number 1: That the initiating event which brought Flight 800 down was NOT any kind of internal event, certainly not center wing tank explosion as claimed by NTSB: Three separate scientific proof methods will be applied with the same inescapable conclusion.

Proof Number 2: That deliberate falsifications, alterations and other forms tampering with evidence has taken place within the NTSB report in order to conceal the truth: Three separate examples of actual tampering will be shown.

Proof Number 3: That missile fire is the more likely cause based on NTSB findings. Three separate analytical methods will be offered with identical results implicating dummy-warhead missile fire as the more likely cause of the crash.

Grand Summary: In the grand summary will be revealed how NTSB 'cooked' the fuel tank explosion tests to favor their conclusion and to provide an emotional advantage which, upon careful examination, actually provides additional confirmation proofs which demonstrate visually why the CWT theory is a fabrication- that it did NOT explode.

NTSB Alters Official Record to Conceal Evidence

Within a matter of days of the NTSB fraud material (the Three Proofs) being offered at my Web site and as shared through the Donaldson/AIM Press Conference with Admiral Moorer, NTSB took the unprecedented steps of attempting to conceal evidence by altering contents of the official NTSB Factual Report. The critical Flight Recorder information which NTSB claims is 'old data' from a previous flight was printed in full in the original report. I and Donaldson both refuted that claim using NTSB's own prior statements about how flight data recorders function with respect to old data, and the actual data itself to demonstrate that it was impossible for it to have been old data because...

a) according to early NTSB statements, flight recorders first erase old data prior to recording new data, and there was clearly no erased portion ahead of the recorded portion - and since recording heads and erasure heads must be physically separated with respect to tape position, there would need to be an actual blank space at the end of current flight data before encountering old data. If NTSB is correct about how FDR's work, they are LYING about the old flight data and the data is instead FLight 800 data screaming to be evaluated (update 7/2001: NTSB still refuses to honor FOI requests which will resolve this issue, despite court rulings, Congressional instructions to comply);

b) if actually old data, the plane in that flight was, in many key characteristics flying with exactly the same performance variables, a near impossibility with respect to odds and probabilities, more so because the plane was in a relatively brief climb maneuver at the time rather than the long time span of a cruise at nominal altitudes and performance settings (where you might expect similarities).

c) if actually old data, the old flight was also crashing - and why hadn't we heard about the crash?

We asserted that, therefore, it logically followed that the flight recorder was screaming evidence as to what happened, and, as the Three Proofs illustrate, it was screaming missile fire. IN RESPONSE, NTSB SIMPLY DELETED THE DATA IN THE PUBLIC RECORD - QUIETLY, AND WITHOUT EXPLANATION.

(check the website for an image which reveals the before and after proof of the alteration.)