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theseeker
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where's the link mech ?

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Man those cut and paste posts are annoying.


Pasting an opinions article or something from an alternative science/conspiracy site isn't gonna help your case, atleast fight your own battles. Well.. we know you can't do that so


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The White House is battling to keep a report on the terror attacks secret. Does the 2004 election have anything to do with it?

Even as White House political aides plot a 2004 campaign plan designed to capitalize on the emotions and issues raised by the September 11 terror attacks, administration officials are waging a behind-the-scenes battle to restrict public disclosure of key events relating to the attacks.

At the center of the dispute is a more-than-800-page secret report prepared by a joint congressional inquiry detailing the intelligence and law-enforcement failures that preceded the attacks—including provocative, if unheeded warnings, given President Bush and his top advisers during the summer of 2001.

The report was completed last December; only a bare-bones list of “findings” with virtually no details was made public. But nearly six months later, a “working group” of Bush administration intelligence officials assigned to review the document has taken a hard line against further public disclosure. By refusing to declassify many of its most significant conclusions, the administration has essentially thwarted congressional plans to release the report by the end of this month, congressional and administration sources tell NEWSWEEK. In some cases, these sources say, the administration has even sought to “reclassify” some material that was already discussed in public testimony—a move one Senate staffer described as “ludicrous.” The administration’s stand has infuriated the two members of Congress who oversaw the report—Democratic Sen. Bob Graham and Republican Rep. Porter Goss. The two are now preparing a letter of complaint to Vice President Dick Cheney.

Graham is “increasingly frustrated” by the administration’s “unwillingness to release what he regards as important information the public should have about 9-11,” a spokesman said. In Graham’s view, the Bush administration isn’t protecting legitimate issues of national security but information that could be a political “embarrassment,” the aide said. Graham, who last year served as Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, recently told NEWSWEEK: “There has been a cover-up of this.”

Graham’s stand may not be terribly surprising, given that the Florida Democrat is running for president and is seeking to use the issue himself politically. But he has found a strong ally in House Intelligence Committee Chairman Goss, a staunch Republican (and former CIA officer) who in the past has consistently defended the administration’s handling of 9-11 issues and is considered especially close to Cheney.

“I find this process horrendously frustrating,” Goss said in an interview. He was particularly piqued that the administration was refusing to declassify material that top intelligence officials had already testified about. “Senior intelligence officials said things in public hearings that they [administration officials] don’t want us to put in the report,” said Goss. “That’s not something I can rationally accept without further public explanation.”

Unlike Graham, Goss insists there are no political “gotchas” in the report, only a large volume of important information about the performance and shortcomings of U.S. intelligence and law-enforcement agencies prior to September 11.

And even congressional staffers close to the process say it is unclear whether the administration’s resistance to public disclosure reflects fear of political damage or simply an ingrained “culture of secrecy” that permeates the intelligence community—and has strong proponents at the highest levels of the White House.

The mammoth report reflects nearly 10 months of investigative work by a special staff hired jointly by the House and Senate Intelligence Committees and overseen by Eleanor Hill, a former federal prosecutor and Pentagon inspector general. Hill’s team got access to hundreds of thousands of pages of classified documents from the CIA, FBI, National Security Agency and other executive-branch agencies. The staff also conducted scores of interviews with senior officials, field agents and intelligence officers. (They were not, however, given access to some top White House aides, such as national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice or other principals like Secretary of State Colin Powell or Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.) The team’s report was approved by the two intelligence committees last Dec. 10. But because the document relied so heavily on secret material, the administration “working group,” overseen by CIA director George Tenet, had to first “scrub” the document and determine which portions could be declassified.

More than two months later, the working group came back with its decisions—and some members were flabbergasted. Entire portions remained classified. Some of the report—including some dealing with matters that had been extensively aired in public, such as the now famous FBI “Phoenix memo” of July 2001 reporting that Middle Eastern nationals might be enrolling in U.S. flight schools—were “reclassified.” Hill has since submitted proposed changes to the working group, pointing out the illogic of trying to pull back material that was already in the public domain. But officials have indicated the “review” process is likely to drag on for months—with no guarantees that the “working group” will be any more amenable to public disclosure.

A U.S. intelligence official cited international distractions as at least one reason for the delays. “In case you hadn’t noticed, there have been two wars going on,” the official said. The official added: “We’re working this [report] to try to get it out without putting lives at risk and without endangering sources and methods.” Asked why the working group was refusing to permit disclosure of material that had already been made public, the official said: “Just because something had been inadvertently released, doesn’t make it unclassified.”

The administration’s tough stand, some sources say, doesn’t augur well for the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks—which is conducting its own investigation into the events of 9-11. Already, flaps have developed on that front, as well. When one commissioner, former congressman Tim Roemer, last week sought to review transcripts of some of the joint inquiry’s closed-door hearings, he was denied access—because the commission staff had agreed to a White House request to allow its lawyers to first review the material to determine if the president wants to invoke executive privilege to keep the material out of the panel’s hands.

“I think it’s outrageous,” says Roemer, who plans to raise the matter at a commission hearing this week. But a commission staffer says he expected the White House review to be finished by the end of the week, and it was unclear whether the president’s lawyers would try to invoke executive privilege—a stand that would almost certainly provoke a major legal battle with the panel.

The tensions over the release of 9-11 related material seems especially relevant—if not ironic—in light of recent reports that the president’s political advisers have devised an unusual re-election strategy that essentially uses the story of September 11 as the liftoff for his campaign. The White House is delaying the Republican nominating convention, scheduled for New York City, until the first week in September 2004—the latest in the party’s history. That would allow Bush’s acceptance speech, now slated for Sept. 2, to meld seamlessly into 9-11 commemoration events due to take place in the city the next week.

Some sources who have read the still-secret congressional report say some sections would not play quite so neatly into White House plans. One portion deals extensively with the stream of U.S. intelligence-agency reports in the summer of 2001 suggesting that Al Qaeda was planning an upcoming attack against the United States—and implicitly raises questions about how Bush and his top aides responded. One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike “in the coming weeks,” the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: “The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning.”

The substance of that intelligence report was first disclosed at a public hearing last September by staff director Hill. But at the last minute, Hill was blocked from saying precisely who within the Bush White House got the briefing when CIA director Tenet classified the names of the recipients. (One source says the recipients of the briefing included Bush himself.) As a result, Hill was only able to say the briefing was given to “senior government officials.”

That issue is now being refought in the context over the full report. The report names names, gives dates and provides a body of new information about the handling of many other crucial intelligence briefings—including one in early August 2001 given to national-security adviser Rice that discussed Al Qaeda operations within the United States and the possibility that the group’s members might seek to hijack airplanes. The administration “working group” is still refusing to declassify information about the briefings, sources said, and has even expressed regret that some of the material was ever provided to congressional investigators in the first place.

The White House is once again shuffling the deck in the staffing of top terrorism jobs, NEWSWEEK has learned. Gen. John A. Gordon—who has wielded broad if largely unseen powers as deputy national-security advisor in charge of combating terrorism—is moving up to become White House homeland-security adviser, a post formerly held by Tom Ridge. The new job is expected to give the brusque and secretive Gordon even more power as a “principal” with direct access to Bush. (Ridge is now secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.) Sources say Gordon beat out ex-FBI official James Kallstrom—an old ally of former FBI director Louis Freeh—for the key post.

The elevation of Gordon is the latest sign of the increasing prominence of intelligence-community veterans throughout the upper reaches of the government under Bush. (FBI director Robert Mueller, for example, recently reached outside the ranks of his law-enforcement agents to select Maureen A. Baginski, a former National Security Agency deputy director, to oversee FBI intelligence efforts.) For his part, Gordon was a former deputy CIA director with a reputation as a “a results-oriented guy” who has little patience for bureaucratic procedures, according to one former government official who has worked with him.

Gordon’s departure, however, leaves vacancies at the two top White House counterterrorism jobs: Gordon’s old post and that of his former deputy, Rand Beers, who resigned the week the war in Iraq began. On the surface, the vacancies seem conspicuous in an administration that has made combating terrorism the centerpiece of its policies. But sources say a vigorous search has been underway and replacements are likely to be named shortly.

Source: Newsweek

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Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Theory' is a Conspiracy Fact


By Randy Lavello

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lavello_050503_bombs.html

By now the misinformation and ignored findings surrounding the September 11, 2001 attacks have evaporated the official version into the land of fiction. Didn’t it seem strange that we learned everything of the government version by the next day?

Much has been learned about the attacks, yet the official version has never
changed; it seems as though our government thinks the point moot since it used this excuse to pass unconstitutional laws and wage wars resulting in oil profits. The time has come to admit the sorry truth as a nation, so that we can move on - as a nation.

The planes did not bring those towers down; bombs did. So why use planes? It seems they were a diversionary tactic- a grand spectacle. Who would want to divert our attention from the real cause of the collapse of those towers? It must be those who benefited most from these attacks. Let’s recount some facts of that dreadful day.

Any time an aircraft deviates from it’s course, the air traffic controller requests a military intercept according to military response code 7610-4J. This was the first time interceptors were not sent up in the history of this policy. The intercept pilots are trained to make a visual check of the cockpit… could this be the reason these interceptors were intercepted? Planes were sent to the New York area, after unprecedented delay, from Falmouth, Massachusetts rather than nearby Ft. Dix or Laguardia. Of course, they didn’t arrive in time - there was no visual scan of the cockpits.

Captain Kent Hill, retired from the Air Force, explained that the U.S. had flown unmanned aircraft, similar in size to a Boeing 737, on preprogrammed flight paths from Edwards Air Force Base, California to Australia on several occasions. He believes the airliners used in the attacks had their on board computers knocked out and were subsequently choreographed by an Airborne Warning and Control System. Along side Captain Hill, an Air Force officer with more than 100 sorties in Vietnam stated, ‘Those birds either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they were being maneuvered by remote control.’ We know that the technology exists to fly hijacked commercial airliners by remote control - it’s called ‘Globalhawk.’ We also know that the military has had an unmanned drone aircraft known as the ‘Predator,’ since 1994. A saboteur would merely have to reprogram the controls to switch from manual to remote; those airliners practically fly themselves already with the autopilot. This would require electronic security codes… acquisition of electronic codes would also explain the lapse of interceptor response due to sabotage. Furthermore, it’s a fact that Air Force One codes were known and punched in by a rogue source on 9/11, proving the presence of an inside, subversive element.

As usual, it’s not a good conspiracy, if it doesn’t involve a Bush! Introducing Marvin Bush - brother of George Jr. Marvin is a substantial shareholder and was on the Board of Directors until 2000 of a security company aptly named Securacom. This is not an ordinary security force with canvas badges and walkie-talkies; it’s an electronic security company, which was ‘coincidentally’ involved with Dulles Airport until 1998. Handling electronic security at Dulles seems like an excellent way to gain access to Air Traffic Control communication codes with NORAD, which is in charge of intercept missions. According to CEO Barry McDaniel, the company ‘handled some of the security at the World Trade Center up to the day the buildings fell down.’ How convenient, huh? Bombs were in those towers… Bush’s presidency was saved by these attacks - just something to think about.

Five of the twenty ‘suicide hijackers’ are alive and well according to the BBC and they want their names cleared. So who was flying those planes? We may never know exactly what happened with those jets; what we do know is that the official version crumbles under scrutiny. These planes were merely a diversion, as proven by the presence of bombs… that’s right, PROVEN!

Before beginning this article, I met Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr. at the World Trade Center Memorial. Paul, along with many other firemen, is very upset about the obvious cover-up and he is on a crusade for answers and justice. He was stationed at Engine 10, across the street from the World Trade Center in 1998 and 99; Engine 10 was entirely wiped out in the destruction of the towers. He explained to me that, “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department’s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. “There were definitely bombs in those buildings,” he told me. He explained to me that, if the building had ‘pancaked’ as it’s been called, the falling floors would have met great resistance from the steel support columns, which would have sent debris flying outward into the surrounding blocks. I asked him about the trusses, and quoted the history channel’s ‘don’t trust a truss’ explanation for the collapses. He responded in disbelief, and told me, “You could never build a truss building that high. A slight wind would knock it over! Those buildings were supported by reinforced steel. Building don’t just implode like that; this was a demolition.”

Just after the disaster, Firefighter Louie Cacchioli said, “We think there were bombs set in the building.” Notice he said ‘we’. At 9:04, just after flight 175 collided with the South Tower, a huge explosion shot 550 feet into the air from the U.S. Customs House known as WTC 6. A huge crater scars the ground where this building once stood. Something blew up WTC 6 - it wasn’t a plane; it must have been a bomb of some sort.

The seismic record from Columbia University’s observatory in Palisades, NY (21 miles away) provides indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down those towers. At the precise moment the South Tower began collapsing, a 2.1 earthquake registered on the seismograph. At the precise moment the North Tower began collapsing, a 2.3 earthquake registered; however, as the buildings started to crumble these waves disappeared. The two ‘spikes’on the seismograph, which both occurred at the exact instants the collapses began, are twenty times the amplitude, or more than 100 times the force of the other waves. If the buildings had simply collapsed, the largest jolts would have occurred when the massive debris struck the earth, not at the beginnings of the collapses. Seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam of Columbia University stated, “Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion. The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small.” In other words, the collapsing did not cause 2.1 and 2.3 magnitude earthquakes. Furthermore, a ‘sharp spike of short duration’ is how underground nuclear explosions register on seismographs. Underground explosions, where the steel columns meet Manhattans granite would account for both the demolition-style implosions and these ‘spikes’ on the seismograph. Another seismologist at the Palisades observatory, Won Young Kim said the 1993 truck bomb did not even register on their seismographs because the explosion was ‘not coupled’ to the ground. Imagine the magnitude of explosions it would take to register the two earthquakes, when the truck bomb didn’t even show up.

The American Free Press reported that in the basements of the collapsed towers, where 47 central support columns (per building) connected with the bedrock, hot spots of ‘literally molten steel’ were discovered more than a month after the attack. There is only one explanation for this: An explosion of unprecedented magnitude destroyed the bases of the columns, then the massive structures buried the impact points, trapping the intense heat below for all that time.

The tower which was struck second suffered less damage from the plane because it was a less direct hit and most of the jet fuel was seen ignited outside the structure… yet this tower collapsed first. Just before this collapse, the firefighters were up on the burning levels and were heard saying, “Battalion seven… Ladder fifteen, we’ve got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines.” How could two isolated pockets of fire destroy the bases of the support columns causing the buildings to implode? Paul Isaac told me, “Based on video footage of the collapse of the South Tower, the structural collapse is not consistent with the angle the building was struck.”

Why was no investigation permitted of the debris? Dr W. Gene Corley headed the FEMA sponsored engineering assessment of the World Trade Center collapse, which performed no tests on the steel for traces of explosives. When asked about this process known as ‘twinning,’ he responded, “I am not a metallurgist.” Dr. Corley also ‘investigated’ the debris at Waco and Oklahoma City… and we all know how thoroughly those ‘investigations’ were performed.

No government agency performed forensic examinations of the rubble; no effort was made to validate their official story. The rubble was quickly loaded onto ships and delivered to China for smelting. These are the actions of criminals disposing of evidence! By these actions, FEMA proves itself to be a subversive element in our government!

Former Deputy Director of the FBI, John P. O’Neil stated, “The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it.” Can you think of anyone (Bush) linked to both wealthy Saudi Arabians and U.S. corporate oil? John O’Neil resigned from the FBI after 31 years of service after Barbara Bodine, currently part of the Iraqi transition team, barred him from following up his investigation of the attack on the U.S.S Cole. He took a job heading security at the World Trade Center… his first day of work - September 11, 2001. John O’Neil received the job from Jerome Howard, Former Director of the New York Office of Emergency Management, who happened to have the day off on 9/11. We may only speculate on the case of Mr. O’Neil, but he does seem to be a person which U.S. oil corporate interests would want out of the way… especially during these wars for oil and power in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The top FBI officials in Minneapolis called off investigations of Zacarais Moussaoui, causing bitter resentment among field agents. The man who made the decision not to investigate was promoted! Israeli intelligence agents lived next to the alleged hijackers in Hollywood, Florida. The ‘hijackers’ were trained at U.S. government flight schools. Insider training on United Airlines leads to the conclusion that there was foreknowledge of these attacks; it also establishes that those with this foreknowledge are, at least, relatively wealthy. Another suspicious finding is that the World Trade Center was sold to Vornado Realty Trust in February, seven months prior to the attacks for 3.25 billion dollars… this doesn’t prove anything, it’s merely suspicious.

Who gained the most from the attacks of September 11th? Who had the motive? An Israeli expert on terrorism at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Ehud Sprinzak said, “From the perspective of Jews, it is the most important public relations act ever committed in our favor.” David Stern, an expert on Israeli intelligence operations stated, “This attack required a high level of military precision and the resources of an advanced intelligence agency. In addition, the attackers would have needed to be extremely familiar with both Air Force One flight operations, civil airline flight paths, and aerial assault tactics on sensitive U.S. cities like Washington.” He elaborated that the attacks “serve no Arab group or nation’s interest, but their timing came in the midst of international condemnation of Israel…” He goes on to claim “A U.S. military intelligence report revealed details of an international intelligence memo linking Mossad to the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. The memo was in circulation three weeks before the attacks.”

Furthering the suspicion of Mossad involvement, five Israelis were seen atop a van smiling and celebrating, while taking videos of the disaster from across the Hudson River. These five were arrested by the FBI and detained for two months before being deported back to Israel. Two of these men were positively identified as Israeli intelligence agents. Eighty-one nations are represented among the World Trade Center’s dead - Israel is not one of these nations even though approximately 1200 of its citizens worked there. As if that wasn’t enough, an instant messaging firm in Israel, named Odigo, received warnings about the towers two hours before the attacks. Everyone who points out the wrongdoings of Israel is immediately labeled ‘anti-Semitic’… well, the truth knows no race or religion - it’s just the truth. These aren’t Jews carrying out these plans; it’s merely sick animals who hide behind the Jews!

WorldTradeCenter.com describes David Rockefeller as the ‘Visionary behind the World Trade Center.’ He pushed the construction of these towers through major opposition with the aid of his brother, then governor, Nelson Rockefeller. David has been quoted as saying, “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.” Was this the ‘right major crisis’ to advance the aims of a global government?

There is overwhelming evidence to support the findings that these alleged Arab terrorists were merely scapegoats used to advance the World Government agend. During the attacks, ‘President’ George Jr. was reading a book with school children about goats! (Scapegoats?) Arab terrorists did not carry out these attacks which were detrimental to the Muslim world.

All evidence points to elements inside, high atop the governments of Israel and the United States. Those wishing to implement their world government through their control over finance, media and militaries are guilty of these most heinous crimes. This atrocity is proving to advance the domestic police state agendas and consolidate the Middle East’s oil reserves. The people who most benefited from these attacks are the wealthiest, most privileged and powerful men on earth who feel they will finally be able to hold dominion over the nations of the world through their New World Order. For some of these globalists, these attacks were merely a means to an end - a huge step toward ruling a world socialist system. But for others, likely the planners of such a vile crime, this was a mass sacrifice to themselves. This mass ritual sacrifice of the vulnerable and the heroes who tried to save them was perpetrated by power crazed freaks who are simply - satanic.



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Posted on Mon, May. 05, 2003

White House refuses to release Sept. 11 info
By FRANK DAVIES
Knight Ridder Newspapers


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/5792329.htm

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration and the nation's intelligence agencies are blocking the release of sensitive information about the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, delaying publication of a 900-page congressional report on how the terrorist assault happened.

Intelligence officials insist the information must be kept secret for national security reasons. But some of the information is already broadly available on the Internet or has been revealed in interim reports on the investigation, leading to charges that the administration is simply trying to avoid enshrining embarrassing details in the report.

Disputed information includes a well publicized warning from an FBI agent that al-Qaida supporters might be training in U.S. flight schools and the names of the president and his national security adviser as people who may have received warnings that a terrorist attack was possible before Sept. 11, one official said.

"We're trying to keep in this report some matters that have been talked about in public, discussed in newspapers, and not to do that, flies in the face of common sense," Rep. Porter Goss, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said Monday.

"The White House is continuing a trend of presenting obstacles to us rather than cooperating with us," said Tim Roemer, a former House member who participated in the congressional inquiry and is now a member of the independent commission investigating Sept. 11.

Goss, a Florida Republican, and Sen. Bob Graham, a Florida Democrat who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee last year, co-chaired a joint investigation over 10 months that detailed security lapses, bad communication and missed clues by the CIA and FBI that preceded the Sept. 11 attacks.

In December, the joint inquiry produced a summary of findings and recommendations on how to improve intelligence, but the complete report was withheld so agencies could review and declassify some portions of it.

Graham, who will officially announce his presidential campaign Tuesday, has said he thinks much of the delay is because agencies and the administration want to avoid embarrassment, not for valid national security reasons.

Goss, Graham and staff director Eleanor Hill had hoped to release the final report by February or March. Now they are hoping to release it Memorial Day, Goss said.

"I'm very frustrated this has taken this long," said Goss, a retired CIA officer with close ties to the administration. "There's a tendency for every executive to keep matters closed up, but most of what's in dispute should be made public."

Hill said she could not discuss the specifics of the information in dispute, but said a working group of intelligence officials objected to including some testimony from public hearings last fall and some data in her interim reports.

"Maybe they didn't realize it had already been made public, but we see no reason to keep it out of the report," said Hill, a former Pentagon inspector general.

An intelligence official familiar with the review process said on condition of anonymity Monday that "the process has taken time because many portions of the report need to remain classified to protect sources and methods."

The official would not comment on specific issues in the report, and said "we hope to complete the process by the end of this month."

But an official familiar with the report said one topic of disagreement was the so-called Phoenix memo of July 2001, in which an FBI agent warned his supervisors that Osama bin Laden's followers might be enrolling in U.S. flight schools.

The joint inquiry, in a Sept. 24 staff report, included portions of the memo and summarized how it was handled and ignored by FBI officials. Most of the memo is on several Internet sites. Now intelligence officials want to block releasing excerpts of the memo.

Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the ranking Republican on the Senate committee during the investigation, said: "The memo should be declassified except for portions that might compromise an ongoing investigation."

The Bush administration also consistently have fought identifying top officials, including the president and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, who may have received warnings in 2001 that bin Laden's network planned to hijack commercial aircraft.

As a result, the report includes vague references to "senior administration officials."

"We fought that argument (to name officials) and lost," said Goss. "There's a history in these types of reports, going back many presidencies, that you do not mention the president of the United States, period."

Goss said there was "no cover-up of vital information" and predicted the final report will include some embarrassing details but "no 'gotcha' material about any administration."

Roemer, an Indiana Democrat, said he sees a pattern of "overclassification" by an administration unwilling to disclose information and agencies that reflexively fight disclosure.

When Roemer recently tried to read transcripts of closed-door interviews from last year's probe, the Justice Department blocked him, citing possible executive privilege.

Bush officials relented after Roemer publicly complained the administration was not following its pledge of cooperation with the independent investigation.

"There is a tight definition of what should be classified, and it does not include references to mistakes, missed communications or political embarrassments," he added.



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Mech is told by everyone that cut and paste is annoying...so what does he do?

Well...that's self evident...

Hence we can conclude Mech's objective is annoyance and propaganda and unsubstantiated conspiracy theory rather than seeking truth. (note that we never get honest debate from Mech…We get evasions biased claims and outright lies and innuendo, that ignore facts and evidence to reach a preconceived conclusion). James Carville watch out….you ain’t got nothing on Mech in the spin department.

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Propaganda?

Last time I checked, the Miami Herald was read by THOUSANDS of people in Florida and elsewhere there cheif.


You just hate alternative views...just admit it Fastwalker.

Not everyone believes the Bush administration is honest.

GET USED TO IT.


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Propaganda?
Last time I checked, the Miami Herald was read by THOUSANDS of people in Florida and elsewhere there cheif

If we were to apply this logic to other areas we could say Hitler's cause was just and credibile based upon the number of people that follow him. You are saying that the readership of the Miami Herald is somehow an indication of the credibility of it's columnists. There is no logical correlation here....as I showed with the example of Hitler. Shear numbers of people who believe something or have read propaganda do not make that propganda any closer to truth. There is no logical correlation to truth here.

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You just hate alternative views...just admit it Fastwalker.

I don’t hate alternative views…I hate dishonesty, lies and spin. If they were legitimate alternative views that sought truth as the objective, then I would respect those views. However, the views that we have seen put forth here are based upon lies, hidden agendas and ignorance of facts. The objective here is obviously not truth. Hence, they are not legitimate alternative views…they are propaganda with the purpose of deception. This…I do hate.

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Not everyone believes the Bush administration is honest.
GET USED TO IT.

Yes…but you’re in a minority. …I think most people, if polled, would say that the Bush administration is extremely honest to a fault, although, Bush sometimes makes mistakes, because he’s a human being, and he is often forced into catch22 situations managing tremendous pressures, having to choose between the lesser of evils, and having to devise strategies around his opposition that sometimes fail. The signing of McCain-Feingold’s Campaign Finance Reform legislation was one example of a failed strategy of appeasing Democrats and liberals…I feel he should deal with his Democrat and liberal opposition as he has dealt with Saddam and Ossama.


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TRUTH is in the eye of the beholder.

You won't find it on TV. Especially on FAUX.

"Fair and balanced" my @$$.

U.S. Protected Al-Qaeda Terrorists
in Kosovo
by Umberto Pascali

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2842us_alqaeda_kla.html


While the United States is relentlessly bombing Afghanistan with the official aim of getting Osama bin Laden, one of bin Laden's top collaborators is running a terrorist training camp in an area of Kosovo that is under U.S. control. The shocking revelation has been confirmed by multiple sources: Macedonian intelligence agencies, as reported by several Macedonian media, including the leading daily Dnevnik; Russian press agencies, including Novosti and ItarTass; and the London Independent.

This intelligence coheres with Lyndon LaRouche's assessment of the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, as a strategic covert operation by an enemy within the U.S. and "allied" security services, for geopolitical purposes.

The Russian media quoted, as the source of their detailed revelation, the Russian troops stationed not far from the reported terrorist training camp. This is in itself exceptional, in the sense that there is hardly a precedent of the Russian military in Kosovo reporting events of such gravity to the leading news agencies.

These revelations, and the clear position taken by Macedonian intelligence in confirming and expanding them, are now reopening the explosive question of the protection and sponsorship granted to the narco-terrorists by Anglo-American agencies.

But this is only a small part of the new strategic geometry opened up by the revelations. The red-hot political point concerns the very basis for the "war against terrorism" launched after the war-like attacks of Sept. 11, and the immediate concentration on bin Laden and Afghanistan as the perpetrators of those attacks—and the threatened extension of the "infinite war" to Syria, Iraq, and so on. If the Anglo-Americans are at "war" with bin Laden's terrorism, why are bin Laden operatives active in Kosovo in an area totally controlled by NATO? Furthermore, in the U.S. zone in Kosovo? Investigations on the bin Laden connection into the Balkans and Kosovo could, according to experts, lead to even more explosive truths in a very short period of time.
Keep The Clash Going

On Oct. 16 Novosti reported: "A training camp of Albanian militants functions near the village of Ropotovo, close to Kosovska Kamenica, in the Yugoslav province of Kosovo, which is controlled by the American force, sources from the Russian peacekeeping force in Kosovo reported on [Oct. 16]. According to [the sources], the camp is now training 50 Afghan and Algerian mujahideen, led by Zaiman Zawahiri. He is reportedly the brother of one of the closest associates of international terrorist Osama bin Laden. This camp prepares militants for terrorist formations in Kosovo and Macedonia. Their 'instructors' are former [ethnic] Albanian officers who, in 1991-92, deserted from the Yugoslav Army."

The Independent reported on Oct. 21 that Interpol has linked bin Laden to Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) crime gangs, and that he "supplied one of his top military commanders for an elite KLA unit" in Kosovo.

That was only the beginning. The target of the terrorist gangs' deployment into Macedonia: to prevent, by violence, the return of Macedonian refugees into the villages "cleansed" by the KLA during this year; and to take over the water reserve on which the Macedonian capital, Skopje, depends.

Beyond that, these extremists are out to re-ignite the ethnic "Clash of Civilizations" in the Balkans, to crush the escalating resistance of Macedonia—which has been actively playing the LaRouche card in response to its national crisis (see EIR, Oct. 19)—and to continue the march of destruction, possibly triggering in the near future, an ethnic upheaval in Greece or Bulgaria.

The fact that such an operation is taking place in the middle of the "war on the Taliban and al-Qaeda"—the fact that NATO's Lord George Robertson, U.S. Ambassador James Pardew, and the European Union's Javier Solana insist, to this very day, that Macedonia has to surrender to the KLA ultimata, including the subversion of the Macedonian Constitution, opens up a dramatic contradiction. That contradiction throws light on the virtual reality the world has been propelled into after the Sept. 11 attacks.
Who Runs Al-Zawahiri?

The Macedonian daily Dnevnik reported on Oct. 19 that the group led by the brother of Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the closest associate of bin Laden, had crossed the border from Kosovo into Macedonia. Quoting intelligence sources, Dnevnik wrote: "The younger brother of the chief of the Balkan headquarters of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, with around 50 mujahideen, has entered Macedonia and has started building fortifications in the Skopska Crna Gora region. The aim of the terrorist group is to attack the water supply" for Skopje.

The newspaper reported that the gang had been stationed earlier in the training camp near the village of Ropotovo, Kosovo—as Novosti also reported—and received orders to enter the Macedonian town of Matejce. On Oct. 16, a convoy of refugees, who were previously expelled by the KLA, were supposed to visit their destroyed houses. However, the observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe entered the village first, and reported that at least 50 armed men had communicated they were going to fire on the convoy if they dared to enter Matejce. The OSCE order to the heartbroken refugees was: Go back, we cannot guarantee your security!

But who is Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, whose brother Zaiman is running terrorist camps under NATO protection in the U.S. zone in Kosovo? As the London Guardian wrote recently, "Even to say he is bin Laden's right-hand man may understate his importance." He is considered by many to be the real head of what is known as the bin Laden group. "Some analysts believe that in his current role in Afghanistan, al-Zawahiri has taken over control of much of bin Laden's terrorist finances, operations, plans, and resources," wrote the Guardian. His known terrorist career started no later than 1981, with his involvement in the assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat; it includes the massacre of 70 people on a tourist bus in 1997 Luxor, Egypt, and the assassination attempt against Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in 1995.

Strangely enough, according to an expert who testified before a U.S. Congressional committee in January 2000, al-Zawahiri was granted U.S. residence by the Immigration and Naturalization Service—something almost impossible for many legitimate immigrants to obtain. Should we be surprised that one of the centers of operation for al-Zawahiri was London, where one of his closest relatives resided? President Mubarak is believed to have referred to him when, after the Luxor massacre, he stated: "There are people who carried out crimes and who were sentenced [in Egypt] and live on British soil."


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High Crimes, 9-11, and the Bush Administration

An inteterview with Stanley Hilton

http://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report_031403_hilton.html


AJ: He has a busy schedule. He’s been in court, all last week and all this week. We had him on about a year ago. He’s Stanley Hilton. He was brutally attacked by the big government pimps Hannity and Colmes. He was a senior advisor for Bob Dole, counsel for Bob Dole and others in the Republican Party. He’s an expert on government-sponsored terrorism and has written a book about it, throughout history. And he now has new revelations never before revealed from his depositions of witnesses involved in and around 9/11. He represents over 400 of the victims of 9/11’s families and he has been given almost no attention. While some of the other groups headed by well-known PR bureaucrats, we’ve had them on the show, as well, are trying to suppress this information. Joining us is Stanley Hilton. We are honored to have you on the show Stanley.

SH: Glad to be here.

AJ: Tell us just a little bit about yourself, your lawsuit, recap what we covered last year and in the last year. Tell us what’s developed with the lawsuit and the new revelations that you told me about on the phone.

SH: Well, we filed the lawsuit last May against Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and several other of the rest of the terrorists that run the U.S. government for complicity in causing and also in aiding and abetting the 9/11 attacks, in order to promote their political agenda. And, we are in the process, you know these lawsuits, they come and they go in terms of level of activity. And most of it is done, you know, in confidential, called discovery, litigation that is depositions under oath, battles in court to get documents. We are facing very strong resistance from the government. They are claiming national security over everything. They claim they don’t want to release documents, etc. But I represent the people who were victimized by what the government did. I’m also challenging the constitutionality of the so-called USA PATRIOT Act, they call it; the anti-patriot act is what I call it. And Patriot Act I and II, with II in the wings, which the government plans to introduce this year, which will be even more severe than Patriot Act I. And this new one, Patriot Act II, they are going to give Bush the right to declare any American citizen a “enemy combatant” arbitrarily. And then take away your citizenship. This will give the government the power to literally strip any American of citizenship if Bush says you’re an enemy combatant, ie: political opponent of the government. So anyway , we saw some very interesting documents and memoranda, including several of those advisors around Bush, namely Wolfowitz, Wormser, Feith, Perle, the rest of them. And they actually wrote these memos several months before 9/11, in which they fervently wished for a “Pearl Harbor type incident” to give them the shock value that would enable them to ramp through their agenda.

AJ: And this you told me last week before this was on ABC News that you have gotten some of this information through depositions and some other little tidbits that haven’t been disclosed. But also, you talked about how you deposed, you got the marriage certificates, the evidence, the photographs – a woman who was married to one of the hijackers. You talked to what you said were six or eight people who were connected to them. And then we have the news articles where the FBI gave them homes, paid their rent, followed them around. We know Israel was involved in similar things. Can you speak to that please?

SH: Yes, I do have a witness who was married, she’s an American woman, but she was married to one of the hijackers and she knew about seven of them. She met seven of them. Essentially these Arab hijackers were double agents. That is, they were operating inside the U.S. for ten to fifteen years in “cells”. Some of them used the term al Qaeda, they’ve used other terms. Al Qaeda is just a word. That means nothing. You could call them the Muslim Brotherhood, the Army of God, they go by all sorts of names. But what they are is a series of cells that have been aided and abetted by the U.S. Government. This woman was involved also, married to him at the time of the 1993 World Trade Center first bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing when her “ex-husband” actually traveled to Oklahoma City several weeks before the bombings. And they were involved, apparently, in that.

But what we have here is double agents. In that they nominally appear to be Arab fanatics. But one of the points that she stressed is they are really not Muslims. They are more interested in Playboy than in the Koran. I mean these people drink. They are very secular. They are not the fanatical Muslim zealots that the Bush criminals would lead us to believe is what’s operating here. What they are is they receive regular payments from the U.S. Government. They have been recruited by the CIA, FBI, counter-intelligence, and so-forth and paid money and allowed to exchange information with U.S. government agents about various activities going on and....

AJ: Let me stop you right there Mr. Hilton. Everything you said was already backed up by mainstream reports. You’ve gotten it now, in sworn testimony in depositions under oath. But something that everybody wants to ignore is that three of the hijackers, at least, were trained at Pensacola Naval Air Station not at a local airfield – on the base, by the government, at least. Now we find out that eight of the hijackers under names we heard are still alive in the Middle East, on television doing interviews. You know, their faces, their names, same people. We have then Mohamed Atta being sent over to the Defense Language School at Monterrey. You talked to Steven Butler.

SH: Yeah.

AJ: The Colonel there, the Dean of the school. So, we know this. And then I have the stories on infowars.com, in prisonplanet.com in the 9/11 archives, which is a great research tool for anybody, where they admit – FBI paid for their houses, FBI lived with them, Mossad lived with them. Now, you’re saying double agents. And you’re saying what we already had the pieces of here without your depositions, but it’s a great confirmation, that they’re involved in World Trade Center I in ’93 and Oklahoma City. But here’s the deal, the FBI cooked the bomb, trained the driver, gave the guys the detonators in the first World Trade Center. We know that. That’s in the New York Times. We know that the feds were inside planting the bombs at Oklahoma City and had these Iraqis outside with McVeigh. I’ve talked to police, the FBI. So when you say double agent, I would venture to say that these are double agents who were still alive who were just seen at the scene of the crime while the globalists militarily carry out the attacks themselves. That’s where the evidence points. But what you’ve proven and what the news has proven is they at least received payments and training and protection and the FBI has been told not to stop these al Qaeda groups. Go ahead.

SH: Yeah, the witness I was talking about, personally met Atta – two Attas – Mohamed and the younger brother. And they are alleged to be two of the ones on the airliners. You know, the thing is, these individuals are, in my view, “patsies”. That is, they were paid by the government. I don’t believe that they themselves flew the planes into, as I said previously, allegations are that the government has this device that we codename Cyclops that allows, from an airbase nearby, to disable the pilot’s control of an airliners and to fly them by remote control.

AJ: That’s admitted. It’s decades old. It’s called Global Hawk.

SH: Yeah, Global Hawk, right. Of course, the government denied that it’s “deployed”. They say they’ve got the technology but they haven’t deployed it.

AJ: Let me stop you. Let me stop you. This is really key, Sir. We are so honored to have you. I’ve really studied this and I want to give you.. You probably already have and I want to reiterate it for the listeners. Bush, two days after the attack at a speech in New York said that in the future we can remote control these planes and land them so this doesn’t happen. And someone reached up and physically grabbed him by the arm and made him shut-up. And, if you’ve seen “The Masters of Terror,” we have the two Associated Press articles, after you were on our show and brought this up that you have this from inside military officers.....

SH: Yes.

AJ: Suddenly, they had a cover story and two AP articles in the New York Daily News, all in the film, where they said, “Lo and behold, 8:30 in the morning, the CIA was running a drill of flying jetliners into buildings in New York and D.C.” It just so happened at that very minute they were running this and it just so happened that NORAD stood down for an hour and half, the 58 minutes in different cases. I mean it’s incredible when you add all this together. Go ahead.

SH: Yeah, that’s right. The official government party line is, the first line of defense is the cause and effect of science fiction doesn’t exist. But that’s a total lie. Anybody that works – and I’ve spoken to hundreds of mechanics and maintenance managers at United Airlines and American Airlines and several others and they all confirm that technology exists.

AJ: Well, how do drones operate? The company is in Fort Worth.

SH: Sure, sure, the question is has it been deployed. The answer is: yes, it has. I have one witness who was on the very same United aircraft from Newark, New Jersey to San Francisco, four days before September 11th, and observed certain individuals on that plane who were then later claimed to be the hijackers. He observed them speaking with the government agents.

AJ: Is that Mr. Woods?

SH: I can’t disclose names on that right now.

AJ: And then, he was threatened. I don’t know if it is Woods but Woods said, he....

SH: No, it’s not Woods. It’s someone else. It’s someone else. This is a civilian.

AJ: But with Woods, the famous actor, (garbled) and this is a problem, the FBI came and said you tell anybody about this and you are going to jail.

SH: Well yes, that’s right. The anti-Patriot Act I and II, as I call them, are the tools which are very similar to what happened in Nazi Germany, Hitler’s enabling act after the Reichstag fire. It gave him dictatorial power. That’s the goal here. That’s the end run. This is what we have to look at here – what their purpose ultimately is. I mean this attempt to invade Iraq now, for no purpose, is coming I guess next week or the week after, is just starting. This was planned long before 9/11. These people around Wolfowitz and so forth. I mean I went to school with Wolfowitz. I was at the same university in the late ‘60s when he was very active with the Israelis over there at the University of Chicago. He was pursuing a PhD and these people have an agenda. It’s not an agenda that helps the America people; it’s an attempt to use this country and its power, to wreck this country, in the service of another nefarious and ulterior goal.

AJ: Now, Mr. Hilton, there is a lot to cover. Can we just go through your depositions and this is incredibly dangerous. You have incredible, amazing honor and will, and I mean this Sir. God bless you. People like you are going to save this country. Your witnesses do...You know what you are doing is very, very dangerous. I’m going to be honest with you, I hope you have large life insurance policies.

SH: (Laughs)

AJ: I need them too, but no, what you are really doing pierces the veil and you are on target. But there is so many of us now, it’s why they are on the run and we are on the march. Go down some of the key stuff you’ve got in depositions. I don’t want to give your whole case away..

SH: Well, as I mentioned, the individual on the aircraft that was later hijacked, four days later – same flight, same destination – Newark to San Francisco – what he observed, what others on that plane, including United flight attendants observed, were these individuals who four days later were said to be on the plane that crashed it. And they’re government controlled – and there is this term “trade craft,” meaning basically spying, counter spying. And one of the terms in trade craft is control. These Arabs that were alleged to have done it had controls and some of our discovery has identified some of these people. They are FBI and CIA agents who...

AJ: So they had control – actual agents or case officers and they had their little minion drones with them.

SH: Yeah, these people operated in cells. The cells are from six to twelve individuals. And the cells move around, for instance, from Portland, Oregon to San Diego. It’s just one example. But they didn’t move all six to twelve of them by chance. They were instructed to do it. They were at locations or schools or apartments, etc., that were bought here. Again, this is from a direct eyewitness. This has been verified with marriage certificates, documents, photographs – photographs with bin Laden and his brothers.

AJ: Paid for by the U.S. Government. That’s official.

SH: Yeah.

AJ: Associated Press, Washington Post and they just kind of brush that over.

SH: See the thing is that you look back in ’93 and ’95, Oklahoma City, World Trade Center, and you say well Clinton was in power; whereas now it’s Bush. So you say well how could it be the same players here? The answer is that the shadow government transcends individual political puppets that occupy 1600 Pennsylvania. I mean it doesn’t really make much difference whether it’s Clinton or Bush. The shadow government, as I call it, essentially is continuous. These bureaucrats that you’ve got there at the Pentagon, State Dept., White House, etc., they stay on. They stay on from administration to administration pursuing a certain agenda. And I think this is all part of a pattern. And the latest example, manifestation was 9/11. You’ve got that and the anthrax attack which happened immediately right after 9/11.

AJ: Well that turns out – the most weaponized form of anthrax ever seen, U.S. Government patented design. It is incredibly small microns, levels, coated in bentonite, sent and then Bush is on Cipro, the anthrax antibiotic on September 10th, with his cabinet. Judicial Watch tries to serve a summons to depose the press secretary who admitted this and they tell them at the front gate, you’ll be arrested if you depose us. Did you hear about that?

SH: Yes, I did.

AJ: Stay there. I mean Clinton didn’t even do that. Stanley Hilton, an amazing man, we'll be right back.

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AJ: And we will take your calls for Mr. Hilton in the next hour. Again, this guy knows what he’s talking about. He has worked with some of the highest levels in the U.S. government, in the U.S. Senate. He was counsel to Bob Dole. He is a good American. He knows tyranny when he sees it; same thing with me. Again, I’ve been a Republican for years but I’m not this type of a Republican. I love America and the Bill of Rights. These neocons are the worst of Stalin and Hitler, rolled into one. And I’m not using those terms for effect. These are scary people. Mr. Hilton, from your experience, what types of groups of people, the shadow government, which they just announced, remember last year, that we’ve known about for years. And what does the shadow government want this world to be like?

SH: Basically a one-world globalist tyranny controlled by them, of course, the neocons, neo-conservatives. But they are not really conservatives; they are radicals because they are seeking a radical destruction of our way of life for the last two-hundred years. They’re are basically introducing an alien anti-American form of tyranny which has more to do with old Europe and Asia than it has to do with this country. The ultimate goal, of course, is to advance their own agenda. Certainly, the extension of Israel’s borders from the Nile to the Euphrates as they say the Bible mandates is certainly a major goal. No question about it. Emulation of Sharon’s government in Israel to turn the U.S. into sort of a super Israel, I think is another purpose. And if you look at what’s going on now with the propaganda war – all this 9/11 exaggerations and lies and so forth by these criminals around Bush. That is certainly aimed at the agenda of territorial expansion of Israel in the Middle East – the major goal, there is no question about it.

AJ: You know that’s a key motive that I haven’t talked enough about. We do have the trillions of dollars of oil, the weapons sales, the $1.7 to 1.9 trillion cost of a 5-year occupation paid into the Carlyle Group and others. The domestic police state crackdown, the smokescreen for economic collapse while they consolidate, while they suck Enron and other companies dry. They can declare national security on investigations of that. But I would agree with you about Israel because what makes me lean more toward what you’re saying is that it’s being one of the central crown jewels or the star of the crown, one of the big ones, the head piece, is that the announcement three months ago by Reuters, by Israel, that the government is going to let us kill American citizens in America. No judge, no jury, no nothing, they’re just going to kill us. And now at Janes’ weapons, this is mainstream, you know the big world weapons tracker, came out about Israel and others, so did the Times of London, with race specific viruses and bacteria to kill other races other than themselves. That is the ultimate of Hitlerian-type activities.

SH: Well, the term that has been used is Zionazis, I think it’s an apt term – Zionazis. And I think it’s ironic because the Nazis based their theory on the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” which are alleged to have been shaped by Czar claiming the Jews wanted world conflict. Now we’ve got the complete reverse, where the current Zionazis of Israel and their friends here in the Bush administration and elsewhere are emulating Hitler. It’s come full circle. Essentially it is the same thing, whether you call them Jews or non-Jews. The point is it’s the same ideology – tyranny....

AJ: Yeah, it could be Chinese, you know you said the Asian model. It’s just old fashion, Egyptian, Babylonian, ancient tyranny.

SH: Yeah, Hitler used the word Jew. Today the word we are using terrorist. This term terrorist can apply to anybody. As I said, they are attempting to legalize it just as Hitler had the 1935 Nuremberg laws that outlawed the Jews. Well, now they are trying to come out with an anti-patriot laws to outlaw any kind of dissent and to call you a terrorist if you attack Bush or these criminals around him – these alien criminals. And I think the agenda is clear – it is to turn the American people into Palestinian slaves. I mean that’s the way it seems to me – just as the Israelis are treating the Palestinians there as sub-humans....

AJ: And then to legitimize that, they founded Hamas, which is now admitted. We’ll be right back, stay with us.

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AJ: Whether it’s Adolf Hitler or Saddam Hussein, the globalists, the New World Order is funded and trained them to bring you the crises, so they can offer their solution: world government. We are talking to Stanley Hilton. He is the lawyer for over 400 of the victims’ families of 9/11. He is suing the government, not just for prior knowledge, but for complicity. He now, on recap, has the evidence from depositions, government agents, you name it, wives of supposed hijackers, that they were paid, funded, housed, protected by the U.S. government. That’s all come out in mainstream news – but a piece here and a piece there: “Oh, the FBI, in a strange twist, owned the houses that the hijackers lived in and paid them. In another twist, there were trained at a secret military program at Pensacola.” On and on and on. The LA Times, before the attacks, Bush gives $134 million to the Taliban. They’re in business together, the bin Ladens are in satellites and oil and they just bought, through the Carlyle Group, Universal Studios. And they are buying up radio networks and TV. We’ve got all this happening and when you add it all together.... Mr. Hilton, have you heard them talk about how torture is good? And as if that’s not enough of terrorist suspects, now they want to torture terrorist suspects’ children but the Patriot Act, in Section 802, says that any action that endangers human life and is a violation of any federal or state law. As a lawyer, as Bob Doles’ former chief counsel, what does that mean when the definition is any action that endangers human life, that’s a violation of federal or state law? This isn’t just going to be the Arabs that get tortured, is it?

SH: No, it’s just a blank check for the government to completely destroy democracy and torture any dissenter. You know, Alan Dershowitz, the so-called professor of law at Harvard, which is my alma mater, at Harvard University Law School. He’s the one who is coming out with calling for torture. I believe he testified before a Senate Committee a few weeks ago...

AJ: Stick needles under their fingers..

SH: Yeah. Well, you know, him and his book of chutzpah and elsewhere, there is another Israeli firster, dual loyalist. But, I don’t know if I should use the term dual loyalist; I think rather Israeli loyalist. I mean these are the people behind this. They use this....

AJ: Well, it is bazaar, it was Abrams, on the Abrams Report, on MSNBC, said “let’s torture people’s children.” I’m sorry, torturing children is wrong. We are seeing this unified Nazi-like, weird race thing.

SH: Yeah. Well, I hope this will backfire on them because this is outrageous. It’s an attempt to, there’s a word in Hebrew called Goyim, which means non-Jews, it means cattle. I think that summarizes it all. You know, you torture the cattle. What difference does it make? They’re not the master race so you can’t have first class citizenship in Israel unless you are born from a Jewish mother. Now if that’s not racism, you tell me what it is. These are the people we are dying for. I mean that’s the law of Israel. You can be born in Milwaukee and as long as your mother is Jewish, you can become an Israeli citizen. But if you are born in Jerusalem and you don’t have a Jewish mother, you can’t. But you tell me if that’s not racist.

AJ: Israel has got a big problem because the left-wing has woken up to the incredible racism we are dealing with here. And whether it’s Hitler or Jiang Zemin or Israel involved in all this, it’s wrong. Now, and when they say they are going to come in here and kill American citizens with no trial, if it was Russians doing that, would we put up with it?

SH: Well, Russia is our friend now. Bush is cozying up to Putin now. I guess Chechnya, genocide Chechnya is okay because there are terrorists there. Why are these people suddenly our friends? I thought the whole cold war for 50 years....

AJ: And by the way, Putin got his war, he was caught blowing up apartment buildings. That’s mainstream news, blaming it on the Chechens.

SH: --and theatres. Putin is just another version of the Russian Czars and the commissars, and so on. These are people who are being presented as friends and Bush is saying he is looking into this fellow’s eyes and seeing a great man. Putin is an ex-KGB person, what do you expect from him? These people are being presented as models for this government; these are the individuals calling for torture who are supposed to be leading this country.

AJ: Totally sick. We’ll come back and take calls and recap some of the top news.

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AJ: We are talking to Stanley Hilton, chief counsel to Bob Dole, one of the architects of the Strategic Petroleum Initiative, to get that set up. And, of course, he is a Harvard graduate, he represents 400 of the victims’ families, according to press reports – over 400 of the victims’ families of 9/11. And he isn’t charging prior knowledge. He has the evidence, he’s done the depositions on the facts, ladies and gentleman. Confirmed by news articles that already came out, he just wanted to document it for himself, that the FBI and CIA handles and controls radical Islam. Yitzhak Rabin, right before he was assassinated by Mossad, was a good man for telling the truth, said, “I apologize.” He said it at Tel Aviv University, the Jerusalem Post reported, for the fact that Israel founded Hamas to destabilize the region so there could never be a true peace. So, whether it’s Bush or the Communist Chinese or the radical Israelis, these globalists need crises, they want war, they want slavery, they want this to happen and it’s happening – whether you’re Bush or Ariel Sharon, they are all together in this New World Order. And when they start talking about torturing terrorist suspects, children, and assassinating Americans, that’s when I come out and say no.

I know we’ve got Andy and Jackie and Gordon and Dan, they’ve all been holding wanting to talk to you. Any other key depositions you’ve done, not just with military officers or witnesses of the feds protecting the hijackers on planes and training them or people inside the airlines with the Global Hawk on these aircraft, all of this, break it down. Any other key smoking gun pieces of evidence and where’s your lawsuit going. I read in the press, the government is declaring national security on that and on the fire fighter tapes, that recorded bombs going off. They first said all the tapes malfunctioned. It turns out they were all there, grabbed by Bush. Could you break all this down for us. Any other key areas?

SH: You know there is a lot of this that I can’t really talk about on the air for obvious reasons. But I think the evidence is building as we are going to eventually get it out to the light of day in public trial – which we hope to bring next year, here in the federal court. Also, it’s part of larger agenda, but what’s really going is we hope to examine the constitutionality of this anti-patriot act because it’s clearly unconstitutional. The Eighth Amendment says you can’t use cruel or unusual punishment. But Dershowitz and his pals, and his friends around Bush, of course, don’t think that means a damn thing. And they want to bring about a lawless society under the guise of laws. And it’s really largely political but I think the evidence will show that these criminals are not only going to be removed from power but brought to justice for their crimes, including mass murder and attempting to destroy this country’s democracy.

AJ: Well, I would say our constitutional republic. Mr. Hilton, I would add to that that across the board here, you read Patriot Act II. And I’ve written an analysis of it, on infowars.com. I mean it says they can grab you for any reason not even knowing if you aided a terrorist. Grab you – not ever telling when they grabbed you – you are a missing person. And then it’s got a subsection on secret executions.

SH: Yeah, this sounds like something out of a bad science fiction novel. But, throughout history, totalitarian regimes abuse terror as they instrument a state policy and that’s what we have today. It’s just a continuation of history. I mean the czars in Russian used it, the Nazis used it, the communists used it. It’s nothing new. This is just a new guise. They are bringing about selective terror. I would suspect that they will try something again, maybe not quite as spectacular as 9/11 but certainly something of that nature to try again to galvanize, what’s called GSR, galvanic skin response, to get the people scared to death so they will give up more and more of their rights. But it’s all an illusion. What we need to do is get rid of these criminals, bring them to justice, have them arrested under a real tribunal and put them on trial for their crimes against not only the people, but their crimes against humanity.

AJ: Well, it’s amazing. You know the world is getting wise to this. The majority of people in Europe and I’ve read the polls, are saying the globalists carried 9/11 out.

SH: Oh yeah.

AJ: So where’s your suit going? I mean how are they trying to block it using national security?

SH: By refusing to give us documents that we have subpoenaed, documents that we have demanded by the regular court processes, by claiming that there is a national security override. They have also attempted to bribe several of the plaintiffs. One of the fellows I used to work with in the U.S. Senate, named Ken Feinberg, he’s in charge of handing out what I call sugar-coated bribes. That is monetary awards to any of the victims of 9/11 and their families who will drop their suits or waive their right to sue. And, in fact, some of them have brought suit against Ken. I know the guy personally because I used to work with him on the Senate Judiciary Committee. And that’s one of the things they try to do. But as far as my suit is concerned, they are trying to raise this blanket of national security and so a lot of it is involved in the litigation process and so forth. They can claim to hide everything, to hide what they are doing. That’s just a word. It means nothing – national security – what does that mean? Especially when we are accusing these very individuals of sabotaging the national security of this country to pursue their own political objective.

AJ: Well, the new Patriot Act gets rid of almost all civil rights suits and court orders and gives them total immunity. Just like Bush, in Homeland Security, gave vaccine makers immunity for autism class action suits. You’re right, it’s criminals giving themselves immunity.

SH: That’s right. Well, of course, you know in Nazi Germany you can’t sue Hitler. Did anybody try to sue Hitler? No, he got immunity, too. And the same is true of the communists or czarist Russia, Mao Tse-tung in China, what have you, you cannot enforce your rights unless you can bring these criminals to justice in a court of law. And they are trying to take away that right - not only in that way but in many other ways. They are trying to attack so-called “trial lawyers” – totally take away people’s rights, to con them into believing that if you just blindly follow Bush, make Bush a god, and it is really very frightening.

AJ: What did you think – because I had Judicial Watch on – Judicial Watch is suing Bush for the workers there at the post office who wouldn’t get treatment even after the anthrax attacks were going. It turns out Bush and his cabinet were on Cipro. Judical Watch twice tried to serve papers to the White House press secretary who admitted in the press conference October 10th, 2001, that they were all on Cipro. And they tried to deliver this subpoena for the deposition and they said we’ll arrest you. This was in the news, under the Patriot Act, if you drop that subpoena. Now Clinton would accept subpoenas. Now they are threatening to arrest people for terrorism if they give somebody a subpoena.

SH: Well, it’s absurd but it’s like the situation in the Albany, New York mall where they arrested a guy for wearing a peace t-shirt. We are clearly losing civil liberties here. It’s just really awful. The way you do that, you undermine like a termite, you undermine and destroy the foundation of people’s freedom. I have a client here in San Francisco who was fired by Neiman Marcus a couple of weeks ago because he was distributing some of your literature, Alex, like your videotapes and some of those deception dollars – that has Bush’s face as basically a war criminal and as a big brother. And these people arrested him, they put him in handcuffs, they beat him up, they escorted him out of there and they fired him. And they said the country is in war.

AJ: By the way, he is a listener of this show, Abel Ash (?). When the security guy walked him in – he was doing this during his lunch break which everybody was doing. And everybody was giving stuff out during lunch break. And they said to him, you are not allowed to do this. You are not allowed to speak out. We are at war, you can’t do that. And then they fired him. So it shows the mindset, the insane mindset.

SH: Yeah, well it’s pretty much like the analogy of termites. The criminals, what they are doing is they are sending out the termites to undermine the foundation of the country. Just as with termites, you can think there is a brilliant house there that is a house ready to collapse because of the rot inside. That’s what’s happening here in this country – it’s rotting away and these termites are conning average citizens and security guards, mall guards to go out against people and they are saying put an American flag, bumper sticker, on and that makes you a patriot. Meanwhile you are destroying the very principles the flag is supposed to represent.

AJ: There you go. The listeners are very patient. Can we take some calls?

SH: Sure.

AJ: Andy in Ohio, and then Jackie, Gordan, Dan and Kevin. Go ahead Andy.

Andy: Hey Alex, it’s good to talk to you.

AJ: You bet. You are on the air with our guest.

Andy: I’m really pleased to talk to you, Mr. Hilton.

SH: Thank you.

Andy: And I wanted to ask you, do you think that the, on September 11th, were there hijackers on those planes or not?

SH: You know, that’s hard to say since we’ve never seen, from the legal point of view, the bodies. There have never been autopsies. They have never identified bodies.

AJ: There was a passport found in the ruble, uncharred. It’s turns out eight of the nineteen are still alive. It’s clear they are patsies, as he said, just seen on camera. We know that. What he is focusing on is: who paid their rent? The FBI. Who protected them? Who told FBI not to stop them? The FBI, the CIA, W199I, Bush. Is that what you are saying Mr. Hilton? You could prove they worked for the U.S. government.

SH: Oh yes, they were on the government payroll. There is no question, as I said earlier, double agents. In some cases, triple agents. But, the point is that what we have here is a situation where, in my opinion, some of those alleged nineteen were on the plane, some were not. The person who used to be married to my witness, for example, we have some evidence to believe that he is still alive, that he has contacted her. And so how could he be dead in a crash when he is contacting her now? I mean, this is the kind of stuff we are dealing with now. These are individuals who were groomed by the U.S. government and they were protected.

AJ: And you said you have depositions that they were involved in Oklahoma City and World Trade I.

SH: Yeah, that they took trips out there shortly before the April 19th, 1995 bombing, etc., etc. Even the date there, Hitler’s birthday being April 20th, you know that was all, of course, it can’t be anti-Semitism because Hitler is the anti-Semite. So that....

AJ: So they are trying to blame it on the right-wing using Islamic proxies. Now we see the story being circulated that the real right-wing that is fighting the New World Order is connected to Saddam. And why would Clinton, after these guys were arrested by good FBI, order their release and why wouldn’t the feds release the surveillance camera footage of them bombing the building? Correct, Stanley?

SH: Oh yes, yes.

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AJ: So surely, government operatives being protected and later being linked up with the American people to sic homeland security on, let’s face it, white people, to get you trained to accept it, to get the Arabs, now it’s for everybody.

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AJ: Jackie in Oklahoma, you are on the air with the attorney suing George Bush for complicit action in 9/11, which is totally documented. A ten-year old could figure that out if we could just get the American people to face the facts. Jackie, go ahead.

Jackie: Hi Alex, we love you. I called in to find that you had a guest speaker.

AJ: I know you’ve been holding. Do you have any comments or questions for our guest?

Jackie: God bless you, Mr. Hilton, for your efforts. My concern is with the Powers that Be having as much power and control as they do, if we are going to be able to actually get into control of the crisis that is predicted that might happen. And my question for you Alex, is there is a deterrent of what’s going on, really, and it could be this planet that is headed this way.

AJ: Well, let me try to boil down what you are saying. The globalists, as Stanley said earlier are going to blow more stuff up to legitimize their war. We criticize it, point out how it’s wrong. They go “we’ve got to do this to protect you.” “My job is protecting the American people,” Bush has said over and over again. They blow more stuff up. He’s poses as our savior. National talk show hosts out there, Michael Savage, has said that anyone who criticizes the government can be put in the forced labor camp. He’s now on national TV, MSNBC, there on the Nazi channel, same place where Abrams says to torture kids. He’s on there saying put us in forced labor camps. So they are setting up this paradigm. That’s why it’s so important to expose them, the globalists, for being involved in 9/11 and that neutralizes them. Mr. Hilton, any comment.

SH: Well yeah, there is no question what she mentions that they have so much power and all this. Well, all these tyrannical governments put on this shield of power.

AJ: They always fall because of their own nature.

SH: Yeah, look at Russia and they had the communist tyranny but it fell eventually because people were sick of it. If it’s wrong from the inside, like the termite analogy again, the structure will collapse. It could be a mansion, it could be a fortress, but if you’ll chip away at it, the underlying population realizes what this fraudulent deception is, eventually it will collapse from within. It will implode. As Lincoln would say, it’s an implosion.

Jackie: But the obvious deterrent, the possibility, I know Alex doesn’t want to talk about it, of this planet headed this way.

AJ: That’s a total diversion, total government...

SH: It’s what?

AJ: Just don’t worry about it. I appreciate the call Jackie. My goodness, it’s just the government controls the fake conspiracy shows and they talk about kooky stuff. Then everybody picks it up and goes with all that. And then it diverts everybody. Let me tell you what the big thing the globalists are worried about. The people getting advance technology, the people getting life extension, sovereign nations having their own sovereignty, and the global empire losing control. That’s why they are racing to do this. Let’s go to Gordon. Gordon, where are you calling from tonight?

Gordon: I’m calling from Toronto.

AJ: Welcome, from Canada, go ahead.

Gordon: Hi, I really appreciate your show and Hi Mr. Hilton.

SH: Hello

Gordon: The first time I heard about you was at the Washington protest in October. I went there to attend and I was given a pamphlet where I discovered that you were representing family members. And so I really appreciate your work and your patriotism.

AJ: Almost a total news blackout and he represents more families than anybody else.

Gordon: Right. Actually Alex, for you, I have something interesting. A couple of weeks ago, I don’t know the man, but I came across him. His name is Rocco Galati. He was the lawyer for Delmart Vreeland and it was in a conference at the University of Toronto. And he mentioned his name, so I waited until after the conference to speak to him. And, I approached him and asked him if he was Rocco Galati and he said yes. And I asked him what had happened to Delmart Vreeland. And, he drew closer and whispered that, “He’s dead.” I speculated that he was killed in August and he said that he had been killed September the 4th of 2002.

AJ: Now wait, you’re saying his lawyer said this?

Gordon: Yes, yes, indeed.

AJ: Did Mike Ruppert write about this?

Gordon: Not yet. Not that I’ve seen.

AJ: Well I don’t know if that’s a true story. Were you familiar with the Vreeland story, Mr. Hilton?

SH: No. No I’m not.

AJ: Well he’s this guy who did pass the jail guards and he was Naval Intelligence. He was in jail, fleeing the U.S. government up in Canada.

SH: Oh, wait a minute. I think I know now. I actually do know who it is.

AJ: Yeah, he gave them the letter, saying that the World Trade Center is going to get knocked down. That was confirmed. And then this caller from Toronto is saying that he’s dead. I don’t know if that’s the case. I’ll have to find out.

SH: I know who it is but I don’t know if he’s alive or not. I don’t know.

Gordon: Well, I mean, I think Galati is a good man. I don’t think he is lying. He may... That’s what he may believe right now.

AJ: Why would he whisper that? We’ll try to find out what happened. I’ll make some calls. Okay? I don’t like to speculate. I’ll have to stay with what we can prove.

Gordon: Absolutely, I just want to mention that the next day was when he was due for court for his trial.

SH: This is the fellow who was ONI, Office of Naval Intelligence?

AJ: Yes. ONI, right.

Gordon: The next day, he was due in court.

AJ: Alright, thanks for the call. We don’t know if that’s true. I’ll have to check this stuff out. There is an endless sea of real news. Why speculate? We’ll be right back with more calls for our guest.

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AJ: Our guest is Stanley Hilton. We are so honored to have him on our show with incredible revelations tonight. Amazing courage. If more of us had it, we could save this country. There is a human cycle of tyranny and this one is waxing probably worse than ever seen in world history. We must defeat it. Let’s talk to Dan in New York. You are on the air with Stanley Hilton. Go ahead Dan.

Dan: Hi, glad to talk to you both. I’ve from (garbled) New York, the hometown of your good friend, Bill O’Reilly actually. I watched the “Road to Tyranny” and I’ve been (garbled) quite often lately. And ever since 9/11, I have been a patriot and I love this country so much. And when I see what Bush has been doing, it’s making me sick. I mean, I ‘m eighteen years old and I know kids in my school who just don’t care about this kind of stuff. They don’t see the big major..

AJ: They are going to care when they get drafted to serve in the Homeland Army in the 63 countries, 62 countries they want to hit. Mr. Hilton?

SH: Yes, they’ll care if they get an M-16, and khaki pants and a uniform to go out and fight for senseless wars in Iraq, Israel or whatever – or something that has nothing to do with American security.

Dan: Right, I fully agree with you. What I really wanted to call about, in (garbled) this past Sunday, I wrote a paper and I was kind of anti-war. I basically said that the Gulf War is about oil and this is the whole entire motive behind the war and they just kind of shut me out. I mean they were nice; (garbled) but they were pretty biased.

AJ: Oh yeah, some public schools in the East, there have been several articles, they say pro-peace papers are hurting the children or military people’s feelings, so those won’t be allowed now.

SH: Well, you know, as far is the war is concerned, there was a Congressman up there near northern Virginia that was attacked by the mainstream media just a few days ago because he said this war is about Israel. And he, of course, was immediately accused of being anti-Semitic, etc., etc., blah, blah, blah. And, so you know, not only are you accused of being a terrorist, of being anti-government but you are accused of being an anti-Semite if you just exercise your freedom of speech about what’s going on.

AJ: Again, Stanley Hilton, former chief counsel for Bob Dole. And I think he pointed it out well. You oppose the tyranny of communist Russia, the tyranny of Adolf Hitler, the tyranny of Bush, the tyranny of Israel, the tyranny of Iraq, any of these countries. But you are right, you are not even supposed to just criticize and I’m angry at Israel saying that they are going to assassinate American citizens without a trial here in America. I mean we’d be mad if the Chinese said they’d do that. We’d be mad if the Mexican troops, which are doing that by the way, they’ve got bounties on Border Patrol’s heads. But Israel can do it and it is wrong. And that is happening and I agree we should speak out against it. And I think the left wing should get more focused, not on making the UN the big authority because it’s all controlled as well, but pointing out this whole, as you said, this shadow world government, this world fascist state, is using these organs. Anything else, Dan?

Dan: I just wanted to say that, I mean, I feel really bad that I’m kind of like, my generation they just don’t care about it.

SH: Apathetic, yeah, apathetic.

Dan: It’s really (garbled)

AJ: Well, look it was 5% that won the Revolutionary War in 1776. It was 2% that started it, Sir. So, believe me, our numbers - Stanley wouldn’t you say that our numbers are probably (crosstalk)

SH: Yeah, but minorities have always wielded at the cutting edge of history, you know. It’s always been a minority. Even if you look at the Bolshevik or the how the Nazis started out with (garbled) people who were revolutionary people who were very few, who were adamantly against the British tyranny. That’s true, minorities have always wielded the cutting edge of history.

AJ: Yeah, so you don’t want, I don’t mean to be mean, but somebody watching “American Idol” drooling, drinking whiskey or snorting cocaine – those poor sad people, we are trying to protect their rights and they’ll never thank us. But it doesn’t matter. We’re protecting our family and our children. Thanks for the call Dan.

Dan: No problem.

AJ: Yeah, I mean people start talking about torturing kids, I come out against them. It’s that simple.

SH: It’s being done in the Middle East everyday now. You know the Palestinians are being tortured and murdered everyday. So it’s nothing new.

AJ: I’ve seen the video of them shooting 5-year old kids and it’s wrong. And then you find out that Israel founded Hamas, that’s Yitzhak Rabin, that’s not me. It’s United Press International. Let’s talk to Kevin in Pennsylvania. Kevin you’re on the air, go ahead.

Kevin: Good evening, Alex. And I’d like to say hi to your guest and I’d also like to say to the gentleman that called right before me that I am part of your generation. I’m 23 years old and I see it. Alex, I haven’t be able to able to get your video yet, the “Road to Tyranny,” but guess what? I’ve found a way to hook my short wave radio into my stereo. Just snap off the back of it and hooked the computer wire to the two terminals of the speaker and then hook it into the in-jacks of the tape deck and it tapes it in stereo, even though the radio only broadcasts/comes out mono. So I can start giving out your programs.

AJ: That is a great thing to do. You also want to call a local station and get them to (crosstalk)

Kevin: I’m going to do better, I’m going to send tapes of it to the local radio stations, of your programs. You know, and figure out which ones that I tape are the most compelling. I also would like to say I saw a little advertisement on the Weather Channel for Homeland Security. 1-800-BE-READY And I called that up and I played them and I played the number that you call for the makers for the mark of the beast, Applied Digital. I played them your commercial.

SH: I just want to say something about the so-called Homeland, I call it Homeland Insecurity.

Kevin: I call it the Department of the New World Order.

AJ: Yeah, it’s a Nazi term.

SH: Yeah, Homeland Insecurity, the purpose is to make Americans insecure not secure. Let me just tell you this, briefly, the lady that’s a witness that was married to one of the hijackers, she has been interviewed by the FBI thirty times and has told them various things which they have then used for this orange alert, red alert. She has actually shown me how they’ve used some things that were totally made up. And so this is a complete fraud. This is a complete fraud.

Kevin: Nothing happened, I think that was because they knew people were like, kind of on edge.

AJ: That’s so when they blow stuff up, they go, “See we warned you.” Now when there’s an orange alert, we are going to lock the cities down. Watch the (crosstalk)

Kevin: I heard about it on the radio station, in my area...

AJ: Let me tell you this. Under a red alert, your children will be taken in school to a FEMA center, you won’t be allowed to get them. Go ahead.

Kevin: That’s what they were saying on, there is a school around here. They were going, “If there are terrorists, well, we’ve got to keep food and supplies.” And they are saying that they might not let you get your kids.

SH: Let me just tell you, one of the people we’ve interviewed for the case is a former top official at FEMA, who was there during the Reagan Administration and the first Bush Administration. And, again, FEMA being one of the agencies that would swing into action in the event of an “emergency” would have blueprints for establishing martial law in this country.

AJ: Sir? Mr. Hilton? Mr Hilton? Hold on. We posted mainstream news articles last week where they admit giant one-million man concentration camps with, this is Rocky Mountain News, with incinerators, mass graves already ready.

Kevin: They are taking some tips from Hitler, huh?

AJ: Tell me. Mr. Hilton, I’m not joking, I’m serious.

SH: I believe it. I believe it. Yeah, these people are dangerous, they’re criminals.

Kevin: (Crosstalk) anti-Christ, do you think might try (garbled).

AJ: No, sir, I don’t get into all those (crosstalk)

Kevin: I know, when are you going to be on Coast to Coast? I emailed them to get you on.

AJ: Well, I appreciate it.

Kevin: I do all I can to fight the New World Order. I am.

AJ: Alright, bro. Thanks for the call. I just know – the poor folks in Rwanda, when the UN was killing them, thought that it was the anti-Christ and they were about to get raptured out. It didn’t happen. Same thing with Hitler, folks, God helps those who help themselves. I believe in God. I’m a Christian. But I believe we’ve got these phony churches, have been infiltrated by the government, are telling you to lay down. And we’ve got to say no to that.

SH: The other thing I want to say about the rapture, eschatology and so on, is that a lot of these right-wing churches support Israel because they feel that the Bible gives them the right to extend to the Nile and Euphrates and beyond. And it’s just another propaganda ploy to support our going out there and dying for Israel – because the Bible says so. Now, I don’t think, I mean this idea that Jesus will come with a rapture tomorrow if we support Israel today, we’ve got Armageddon around the corner, I mean this is nonsense. This is just a complete sham. But, why do all the right-wing evangelical Christians support this state which (crosstalk)

AJ: Hold on, they’re not right-wing; they’re neocons.

SH: Well, no, they’re cons, as in con artists. But I mean, the point is that why do you support a country that is anti-Christian? I mean, it’s not only anti-Christian but it has attempted to shutdown Christmas, take away Christmas trees, etc., etc., you know, national holidays, take away crosses in cities. I mean this is what we are fighting for.

AJ: Absolutely and that’s why Yitzhak Rabin was killed because he wouldn’t go along with it. And I would add to that that it’s this global body. It’s the large central banks that are made up of the Bushes, the Dutch, the British - it’s all connected. Let’s take some more calls. Up next is, only two more calls and we’ve got to let our guest go, Rich in Maryland, go ahead, you are on the air.

Rich: Hey, you guys are right on target tonight. And, Stanley, you are r