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Topic: Another courageous military apologist/Cattle Mutilations | Topic page views:
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-18-2001 10:35 PM
me too... 
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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-19-2001 01:25 AM
Well, Toxdoc has been kind enough to supply a link that timelines atmospheric nuclear testing. The last test was conducted in 1963, so that nixes the 'fallout' theory.Now, Toxdoc, the DOD and the DOE have repeatdetly sprayed civilian population centers for counter bioweapon purposes and have flatly admitted to do soing so. Your assertion that "Chemtrails do not exist. Fact." is as ignorant as it is arrogant. The idea that so many people are perceiving something that 'doesn't exist' is preposterous. Surely this is obvious? I'm still waiting to see some sort of reasonable explanation or debunking tactic from the sceptic's faction. And what do I get? Chemtrails do not exist. Fact. Chemtrail believers kill infants. If it wasn't so ugly and lame, it would be laughable. This is the best you people can do? 
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-19-2001 01:35 AM
Well, Toxdoc has been kind enough to supply a link that timelines atmospheric nuclear testing. The last test was conducted in 1963, so that nixes the 'fallout' theory.this is too easy...chem what is the halflife of radioiodine in soil ? T/S 
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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-19-2001 02:50 AM
Radioactive Iodine-131 has a half-life of eight days, T/S. Caesium-137, on the other hand, has a half-life of 30 years. But it is easily detectable in the soil itself...
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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-19-2001 02:54 AM
And don't make me post the link to that human mutilation autopsy.You'll be sorry. 
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-19-2001 03:33 AM
I can't believe it....chem is debunking me...lol...  so chem, 8 days of radioactive fallout causes these type of statistics ? this event kills twice as many people as the worst disaster ?....the articles focus' was on that substance I-131, there were other components...maybe I read it wrong...or my terminology off...help me here... From the 380 million person-rads of total exposure roughly 120,000 extra cases of thyroid cancer can be expected to develop, resulting in some 6,000 deaths [See note]. For comparison, the worst industrial disaster in history (Bhopal, India; 3 December 1984) killed about 3000 people and injured 150,000. If you'll notice that in the mutilations, all areas ingestible, digestible, and excretable of the animals were taken...now it does not take a rocket scientist to figure this one out...also the groin which is the lymph node area as described were taken as well...all these area's are "CANCER RISK" area's.... 
A soil tid-bit some facts exist here like this one: but most were exposed indirectly through consuming milk from cows or goats that grazed on contaminated pasture land. http://www4.nationalacademies.org/news.nsf/isbn/030906175X?OpenDocument the cancer rate in my county is 5 times the national average....I'm a little sensitive to this issue... T/S

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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-19-2001 03:55 AM
Well, you've hit the nail on the head T/S. Researchers we're shocked to discover how many people developed thyroid cancer after the Chernoybl accident, considering it's short half-life. Hence the theory that contaminated milk was reponsible for all the problems that developed, particularly in children.I'm glad you posted that map. I'll see if I can dig up something comparable with regards to cattle mutes tomorrow. But right off the top of my head, I can't understand how your theory would apply to cases being reported in Fla, for instance. Or human mutilations being reported in South America. I think these soft tissues arebeing excised to make a determination of the effects of enviromental contamination on biological systems. But I don't think it's radioactive contamination that the perpetrators (whoever they turn out to be) are concerned with, specifically. 
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim 3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-20-2001 02:00 AM
just wonderin' chem, but the tests in mississippi maybe the reason florida has mutilations ?Recent Discussion 
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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-20-2001 03:27 AM
"Why did the AEC fail to inform the public, state and local public health authorities, the medical community and concerned organizations like PSR of dangers posed by fallout exposures while quietly telling Eastman Kodak to protect its film stocks? The reason for this culture of secrecy, and for the repeated government assurances that testing posed no danger, is clear. Public disclosure of potential health risks might have brought a public outcry and brought an end to nuclear testing, long before 90 atmospheric nuclear explosions were conducted in the United States."The analogies between this and the current aerosol spraying program being conducted are endless. There are those that will tell you a program this large could not possibly remain secret. They are correct. The issue is, at this point, almost common knowledge. They will then tell you that that some insider would have surely stepped forward if this program posed as great a risk to public health as so many of us a have claimed. I would point out that Manhattan Project's secrecy was successfully maintained. I would point out that the Atomic Energy Commision was fully aware of the health hazards involved in this earlier atmospheric testing and chose not to inform the American people, for fear that a public outcry would jeapordize their agenda. How can seemingly intelligent people, who are aware of these facts, be so impossibly blind to the reality of our current situation? How can they be so indifferent to the suffering and illness that so many people are reporting in connection with these poderous 'contrails'? The only analogy I can make is to the members of the Nazi Party that still, to this day, maintain that the Holocaust was a 'hoax'. There were never any concentration camps. The video footage was 'faked'. And on and on and on. It took, what, forty years for the full effects of atomic atmospheric testing to be released to the public? Even twenty-five years after the testing had stopped the DOD and the DOE stonewalled any attempt for public disclosure of this information? Guess what? That's not going to happen this time. The people responsible for this latest round of atmospheric testing are going to spill their guts. I want to know just what the hell I have been exposed to for these last three years. That's a great find, T/S. Thank you. 
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LTC8K6
35 HOTEL / MOLE / LAME MORON
Tar Heel State 267 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 07-20-2001 08:32 AM
Why not just buy the cattle through a front or just rustle the cattle? Then you could take it away and carve it up for full testing at your leisure. Why sneak around in the dark and risk being seen or caught? Why leave the carcass for all to see? They could very easily purchase or steal from any herd they chose.Why not use other large animals?

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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts

Lubbock, Texas 1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 07-20-2001 09:10 AM
Your questions are very logical, LTC8K6. Are you implying that our government also acts in a logical fashion?What's your theory about how the mutilations are happening? Or are they just normal contrails? Oops...no! That's a different discussion.
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LTC8K6
35 HOTEL / MOLE / LAME MORON
Tar Heel State 267 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 07-20-2001 09:28 AM
Rommel reportPretty much closed the case for me. 
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts

Lubbock, Texas 1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 07-20-2001 10:00 AM
Good reference, LTC8K6. I wouldn't be surprised if most/all of these phenomena were natural deaths followed by scavengers. I have lived on a dairy farm, and I'm familiar with the way that rural folks like to perpetrate hoaxes on credulous members of the media.Just in case there's an element of truth in the cattle mutilation stories, please let me point out a possible exception. I'll be kind and not post Figure 8 from http://www.parascope.com/articles/0597/romindex.htm I can't see the detail, so this may be wrong, but doesn't that wound look a little too circular to have been caused by scavengers? Scavengers certainly may have worked on the carcass after the wound was made, but the initial damage looks artificial. 
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LTC8K6
35 HOTEL / MOLE / LAME MORON
Tar Heel State 267 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 07-20-2001 10:11 AM
Not really, even a small cut will expand in strange ways when the body bloats, and then as the skin dries / shrinks in the sun. This expansion and then shrinking can remove / mask the jagged edges from teeth and beaks, etc.Personally, I think the cattle rustlers have figured out how to get the ranchers looking somewhere else! Just leave behind a sliced up animal carcass, and everyone pays attention to it. 
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Thermit
Tech

Houston, TX 2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 07-20-2001 10:29 AM
Lulu, Seeker: Hey I realized I did leave off the last "mute" link on the last page... http://usuarios.uninet.com.br/~mfpporto/CAUTIOUS%20ABOUT%20ETs.htm Thanks for that Rommel link LTC8K6. Makes sense that small scavengers would eat the soft parts, although I'd think any decent size critter would want to just rip into the meat, Seringetti style... 
Anybody live on a ranch, have an extra head or two of cattle and want to do an experiment?? 

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amber
UK ENVOY

uk 445 posts, May 2001
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posted 07-20-2001 11:05 AM
And what about the blood? Vampire vultures? Freak thunderstorm with blood sucking properties? Castle rustlers trying to divert attention, by hoovering all traces of blood...or simply a post BSE/CJD genetically altered bloodless cow?
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amber
UK ENVOY

uk 445 posts, May 2001
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posted 07-20-2001 11:18 AM
Clever scavangers you have in the US...not only are they able to remove all traces of blood...but they have managed to fool farmers and police...too!!Amazing  http://www.earthfiles.com/earth252.htm http://www.earthfiles.com/earth248.htm
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LTC8K6
35 HOTEL / MOLE / LAME MORON
Tar Heel State 267 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 07-20-2001 12:53 PM
The lack of blood is explained well in the report you didn't read.If I drop dead of a heart attack, and a dog comes along awhile later to gnaw on me, I won't bleed either. There will be very little blood visible the next morning. Most of my blood will be coagulated at the lowest point of my body due to gravity. That part of my body will show lividity, verifying that I have been lying in that position since death. Police use postmortem lividity to tell them about the position a body has been in, or if it has been moved.

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amber
UK ENVOY

uk 445 posts, May 2001
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posted 07-20-2001 02:16 PM
Ok, you got me I read the scientists conclusions...natural deaths...etc...So why the mystery at all? Are the farmers and police on drugs or what? Simple case of cows dropping dead from 'heart attacks' and being mutillated by your average buzzard and flies...must have been happening from the beginning of animal husbandry...Why the fuss? Why the mystery? Why the above report at all? Are people really THAT stupid? And just for a tiny bit of balance: http://www.anw.com/mutilations/GQ.htm
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LTC8K6
35 HOTEL / MOLE / LAME MORON
Tar Heel State 267 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 07-20-2001 02:37 PM
Now that's a good question!
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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-20-2001 02:44 PM
Hey, I don't want to rain on you parade, LTC8K6... but these animals digestive tracts have been comletely 'cored' out. Predator action could not be reposnible for the cauterization that has been observed, either.The only theory that explains this cauterization is that a portable, high power laser was employed. Scavengers, to my knowledge, are not equipped with this kind of technology. Your other points stand, however. There is no logical reason to go traipsing about in the middle of the night carving up rancher's cattle for radiation testing. 
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LTC8K6
35 HOTEL / MOLE / LAME MORON
Tar Heel State 267 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 07-21-2001 03:43 PM
Chem11, do you have a link that would confirm / show this cauterization? Cauterization would interest me.
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Chem11
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The Homeland 1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 07-21-2001 04:31 PM
C'mon LTC! Do a Googlesearch...'cattle mutilation laser' you'll get back a thousand hits! This'll get you started... quote: An Alien Harvest (1989) by Linda Moulton Howe details much of the story, including photographs of wounds described as weird, bizarre, suspicious and inexplicable. She claims that her photos reveal that tissue gathered from mutilator cuts in Arkansas on March 11, 1989, revealed the following characteristics under microscopic examination: The line is pinpoint thin; The line was subjected to high heat, probably 300 degrees Fahrenheit or above, leaving a hard and darkened edge; The cuts were made rapidly, probably in two minutes or less, because there is no inflammatory cell destruction which typically begins in a few minutes after any trauma to tissue.
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LTC8K6
35 HOTEL / MOLE / LAME MORON
Tar Heel State 267 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 07-21-2001 05:00 PM
That's not exactly what I meant, Chem11. I have done a search, and will do more, but I was looking for something more reliable. 
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts

Lubbock, Texas 1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 07-21-2001 05:23 PM
Chem11 - I have googlesearched all morning, and I can't get up the ambition to do yet another one. Do you have any URLs to clear, detailed pictures of cauterized wound edges?
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