posted 07-21-2001 08:31 PM            

RRROOOAAARRRWWW!!!
Who's a lazy ingrate? And where's that mutilated carcass you promised me??!!!!!

posted 07-21-2001 09:16 PM            

Forum members, the strictest watch must be kept over the entity formerly known as 3T3L1. Until a ritual exorcism can be performed, the greatest caution must be excercised!

posted 07-21-2001 10:51 PM            

From your earlier post,

Why not just buy the cattle through a front or just rustle the cattle?

I'd say that "they" would grab cows in areas that were known by tests done or sat photo shown that the area of the bovine was indeed contaminated...thus a 'true' sample...

btw rural sheriffs know what animal tracks look like, and don't you think they would mention this, if it was the case ?

posted 07-21-2001 11:05 PM            

I wouldn't leave any tracks at all, neither would any competent burglar. Certainly the government wouldn't leave any, either.

posted 07-21-2001 11:32 PM            

Cattle look pretty much the same. When you buy one, you buy it based on the pedigree, not on the ear number and the field you found it in.

posted 07-21-2001 11:33 PM            

That's my point there, or here, if you wanted secrecy, you would not offer to buy the cow...

posted 07-21-2001 11:53 PM            

Simple enough to find a cow with a tracking device planted during the recon runs. Slap it on the rump, and voila, tracking device inserted under the skin. Since we are taking that cow later, no one will find the device.

The purchase would be through several blinds and would not give anything away.

I'm sure the government can manage to steal a cow. Dart it, and winch it in, and drive off. There is way too much open range for anybody to see anything. Besides, people have seen helicopters. That would be even simpler. Dart it, winch it up, and fly off.

You should meet a few Green Berets! (Not the ones in the movies!)

posted 07-22-2001 12:01 AM            

Slap it on the rump, and voila

btw ltc, wher is the viola on a cow...lol...just joking

posted 07-22-2001 02:13 PM            

BTW, 3T3...this is not a religion. You of all people should know that...

posted 08-10-2001 03:27 AM            

Interview W. C. Levengood, Biophysicist, Pinelandia Biophysical Laboratory, Grass Lake, Michigan:
"I think there are a number of implications (to finding a second case of pure, dried hemoglobin on mutilated cow). First of all, I think the discovery of the same pure hemoglobin on the Alabama excision site was important in the effect that it showed that the 1997 discovery of the pure hemoglobin wasn't just some wild, freaky thing, you know. It was very real.

AND NOW WE'VE GOT TWO.

And now we've got two that show very, very pure hemoglobin which to me presents very striking anomalous situation.

The discovery of this pure hemoglobin - a scientist probably recognizes the fact this is more astounding than a layman because if you know how hemoglobin is produced in the pure form, it entails a number of very, very precise and rather prolonged biochemical steps. In other words, you can't do this in a matter of a few minutes.

AND PURE HEMOGLOBIN IS NOT FOUND NATURALLY IN NATURE.

No, it isn't. It's in the red blood cells, the erythrocytes, and it can only be removed by breaking down the cell walls by using a lysing agent. And then once you do that, then the hemoglobin comes out of the red blood cells, but so do a lot of other blood components such as leukocytes, fat bodies and other constituents of blood that then have to be removed by further precise steps of extraction and centrifuge.

AND THIS TAKES ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY TO DO?

Yes, right. This takes a biochemical laboratory.

AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SOME ONE IS GOING TO SET UP IN A PASTURE AND REPRODUCE THERE AND DAUB PURE HEMOGLOBIN AROUND ON BRANCHES?

Oh, no. No. No. And then, of course, there is another step that is taken in this whole process done by whomever and that is that the hemoglobin is now put into a compact, solid form.

WHICH IS THE WAY WE HAVE FOUND IT.

It's dehydrated, exactly.

NOW, YOU HAVE WRITTEN AND PUBLISHED THE HYPOTHESIS THAT IN BOTH BOVINE EXCISION SITES AND CROP FORMATIONS THAT SOME KIND OF SPINNING PLASMA VORTEX IS THE MECHANISM FOR THE ENERGY TRANSFER. HOW DOES THAT RELATE IN YOUR MIND TO WHAT COULD BE HAPPENING THAT COULD PRODUCE THIS PURE HEMOGLOBIN ON BRANCHES OR ON THE GROUND AROUND THESE UNUSUAL ANIMAL DEATHS.

Well, first of all, if you go to the Red Bluff, California report I sent you recently, what I found there is the same tiny micrometeorite-sized pure iron oxide particles are found around many bovine excision sites.

Now, we find that the distribution of the particles are distributed in a very precise manner. In other words, the quantity drops off linearly from the origin of the animal outward. So, if it fits this earlier model that I worked out in crop formations where we know we have tremendous vortex energies involved, then it kind of follows that probably the same type of magnetic vortex was involved here, although the way it's distributed would indicate that it's not as energetic as found in the crop formations.

NOW, THINKING ABOUT THAT, DOES THAT SUGGEST ANYTHING TO YOU ABOUT WHAT KIND OF TECHNOLOGY OR ENERGY SYSTEM COULD BE INVOLVED?

It is sure a pretty sophisticated one, that's for sure. Because if you take just the fact that I always find the grass is injured by the microwave radiation. And that was true here also. And particularly, the hairs that were standing up on the back of the animal?

RIGHT.

And the fact that they could be plucked out with the hands real easily.

AND THAT WAS IN THE RED BLUFF, CALIFORNIA CASE.

Yeah, as Jean Bilodeaux (field investigator) pointed out - that hide was cooked in a very precise manner in a very local manner by some sort of very, very rapid and very transient type of energy.

WHICH MOST LOGICALLY IS MICROWAVE ENERGY WHICH COOKS WATER.

Yeah, that's right, because the grass was effected, you see, they had high redox ratios right at the back of the animal.

THAT'S RIGHT.

And you moved out a ways and the grass had a normal level. Well, that high level always indicates that the grass has been severely injured in terms of the mitochondria, the tiny organelles inside the grass that, inside the cells of the grass blades, that are involved in respiration.

AND THAT YOU HAVE REPEATEDLY FOUND FROM BOTH FORMATIONS AND AT BOVINE EXCISION SITES THAT THERE IS ALMOST A SIMILAR PATTERN (OF DAMAGE) FROM CASE TO CASE ALMOST AS IF THEY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO SOME KIND OF ENERGY THAT HAS ALMOST EXHAUSTED THEM.

Yes, you go back a week later and you find the grass, even though it looks normal when they took the sample, the grass is dead in that very local region around the animal. So that means the grass has been severely injured and the respiration has been impaired to the point that the grass just expires.

AND FROM THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE, YOU LINK THAT TO EXPOSURE TO MICROWAVE FREQUENCIES?

Yeah, I have been able to simulate that in the laboratory. If I take ordinary grass from my own yard and I expose it very briefly - if I recall, it was less than 15 seconds - to a microwave, I can produce the same kind of energy by looking at the redox ratios, I can see the same kind of mitochondrial energy (damage) that I'm finding at the bovine excision site in the grass there.

AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF BOTH THE CHANGES IN THE REDOX IN THE MITOCHONDRIA AS WELL AS THE DISTRIBUTION OF SAY MAGNETIC PARTICLES IN THE SOIL, IT HAS A CENTRIFUGAL DISTRIBUTION PATTERN AND THAT IS WHAT HAS CONVINCED YOU THAT WHATEVER THE ENERGY IS, IT HAS TO BE SPINNING IN SOME KIND OF A VORTEX?

That's correct, yeah. It looks very likely, yeah. At some sites, it is more obvious than others. But I would say there are many similarities between the vortex kind of motion you get around bovine excisions and in the crop formation patterns.

NOW, THE PURE HEMOGLOBIN HAS BEEN FOUND EITHER ON BRANCHES OR THE GRASS OR THE HIDE OF ANIMALS. DOES THAT SUGGEST TO YOU THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE ANIMALS HAVE BEEN LOWERED IN THE AIR DOWN AND THAT THESE DROPS OF THE HEMOGLOBIN HAVE COME FROM THE ANIMALS THAT WAY?

Well, I don't know - it could be, yeah. There is no question that this Alabama bovine excision, the recent one, was dropped from a considerable height.

And even though this was an area where there was no grass, the person that sampled this was kind enough to get me leaf samples from the trees close to the animal. And I found that they had not been changed at all in terms of the redox pattern, which indicated to me that with these kinds of severe excisions that I should have seen some indication of an energy effect. But I saw none. Therefore, the excisions were probably done before the animal was dropped back down to earth.

WHICH WOULD BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE EYEWITNESS CASES OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS IN WHICH PEOPLE HAVE SEEN - A RANCHER, IN FACT, IN OREGON WATCHED SEVERAL ANIMALS BE DROPPED FROM UNKNOWN OBJECTS DOWN THROUGH TREES. (See: Glimpses of Other Realities, Vol. II: High Strangeness in Earthfiles Bookstore) AND WHEN HE WENT TO SEE THE ANIMALS, THEY WERE LYING ON THE GROUND WITH THE EXCISIONS FROM THE EAR, EYE AND SO FORTH.

WHAT DO YOU THINK COULD BE BEHIND THE PRODUCTION OF PURE HEMOGLOBIN IN WHATEVER PROCESS IS CARRIED OUT? WHY PURE HEMOGLOBIN?

I've been studying a little bit the effects of pure hemoglobin and its energy in the lab and it looks to me like this solid material has properties that would be very interesting to someone. This is certainly not done in a haphazard manner. It's a very directed, very precise series of biochemical steps that take place here. So, this must have some very important function in some other, some other process somewhere.

COULD IT BE THAT THE BLOOD IS BEING SEPARATED IN ORDER TO TAKE OUT CERTAIN INGREDIENTS LEAVING BEHIND THE PURE HEMOGLOBIN?

No, no, no. These pure hemoglobin particles are not easy to find. You find just a few compared to the tremendous amount that would be in a cow, or bovine, cow or bull. You find just a few particles, probably less than 2 grams are ever found. And yet, I'm sure the total amount in a bull might be a pound. I don't know precisely what it would be, but a lot (of hemoglobin).

So, this looks to me like it's a spill over effect. They were sloppy and left some behind. Or maybe intentionally. Who knows?

BUT IT STILL, THE IMPLICATION MIGHT BE, THAT THERE WAS A LARGER PROCESS OF EXTRACTION OF THINGS FROM THE BLOOD IN THESE ANIMALS AND THE PURE HEMOGLOBIN, THE LITTLE BIT THAT IS LEFT AND YOU HAVE FOUND AND ANALYZED, COULD BE THE RESIDUE OF A MUCH LARGER PROCESS THAT EXTRACTED MAYBE A VARIETY OF THINGS FROM THE ANIMAL'S BLOOD?

That's possible. The reason I don't think they are interested in any other component of the blood is that you don't find any in the solid form. And secondly, you don't find any blood at all. Why wouldn't that just be dumped somewhere if it's waste?

What I feel happens is every other component of the blood is totally disintegrated with the exception of the hemoglobin. It's turned into its elemental form. This is why I have been trying to encourage people like NIDS (National Institute of Discovery Science) who have the money and facilities and interest in the pathology of this to take a look at the level of iron, using EDS (electron dispersive spectroscopy), in a slaughterhouse from a normal animal. And then look at the level of iron in an arterial wall of an excised animal compared to the normal cow's (arterial wall iron) constituents.

I'm betting that you might find a much, much higher level of iron (in animal excisions) because if the blood is disintegrated, this (iron) would be the only atom that would not be converted into another liquid, steam or blood, water, nitrogen and oxygen.

I WONDER WHY WE HAVEN'T FOUND MUCH OF THIS PURE HEMOGLOBIN AT MANY OF THE ANIMAL MUTILATION SITES BEFORE?

This has to be not only a unique process, but it's got to be damn efficient because it's not easy to remove that hemoglobin. Like I say, there are a number of biochemical steps that have to take place. So I don't think they leave much behind. That's the part they are really interested in getting as much as they can.

FOR SOME APPLICATION WE STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.

That's right. Yeah, I have no idea what they would use that for. Perhaps it might be more compatible with their system of physiology. I don't know. It almost forces you - as a scientist, you know, you don't want to think about that - but by golly, it forces you into thinking about other entities and dimensions. Because we just can't do this - pick a cow up, drain or disintegrate all the blood in it, produce pure hemoglobin, and then drop it back down!

RIGHT.

And why would you want to?"

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posted 08-10-2001 04:01 AM            

Anyway, I was just thinking of you. Don't know if you're into bird watching or not...

posted 08-10-2001 04:21 AM            

There are pictures too, so I hope you haven't eaten

There is also a short realplayer film (not linked to the above) at:
http://www.ufomag.co.uk/WEBAH.ram

posted 08-30-2001 02:13 PM            

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Animal Mutilation Project
128 pages

These records contain accounts of animal mutilations which were discovered in various states during the late 1970's. Over the years, several theories have been expounded to explain the mutilations, including UFOs, satanic cults, pranksters, unknown government agencies, or natural predators. The FBI entered the case when 15 mutilations occurred in New Mexican Indian country. The investigation was negative with respect to identifying the individuals responsible.

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posted 01-05-2002 11:52 AM            

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Thursday, January 3, 2002

Cattle mutilations back
Ranchers, lawmen baffled by crime wave
By KATIE OYAN
Tribune Staff Writer

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CONRAD -- This is the kind of déja vu Everett King could do without.
About 15 years ago, he discovered the grisly remains of one of his cattle that had died mysteriously.

In October, it happened again.

King said it looked as though a surgeon had sliced into his 7-year-old Charolais, the way its right eye and ear were cut off -- not to mention the way its reproductive organs had been cored.

What King finds most unusual, however, is that two months later the carcass lies right where he found it, untouched.

"Predators won't eat it," said King, who ranches outside Valier, south of Lake Frances. "It should have been cleaned up and gone a long time ago."

Ranchers reported four mutilations between June and August. Since then, there have been 11 more, and investigators are still searching for answers.

The same bizarre circumstances haunted area ranchers and baffled law enforcement 20 years ago, sparking rumors about UFOs, cults and government conspiracies.

The mutilations went away in the '90s but began again this summer.

The most recent victim -- a 12-year-old Hereford -- turned up earlier this month on a ranch northwest of Conrad.

"They skinned off the belly from her front legs to her back legs all the way around," Pondera County Sheriff's Deputy Dan Campbell said. "The complete bag was removed."

The last few mutilations occurred within three miles of each other in the Dry Forks area, about 10 or 15 miles west of Conrad.

In October, members of the New Miami Colony, 18 miles west of Conrad, discovered two mutilated cows at the same time, about 30 yards apart.

The scenes were remarkably similar to mutilations ranchers reported here more than a decade ago, Campbell said.

Most of the cows had the skin scraped off their faces. Often, the tongue, one eye and all or part of an ear had been removed. Part of the udder usually was cut off, as well as the genitals. And in most cases, the anus had been cored.

A majority of the cows were 4 or 5; one was missing its teeth.

In the late '70s, a high volume of alleged mutilations in southwestern states prompted a federally funded investigation. The resulting 300-page report concluded that animal predators were responsible.

Although some dismiss the Pondera County deaths as a hoax or chalk them up to natural causes and predators, Campbell and fellow investigator Sheriff's Deputy Dick Dailey say they aren't convinced.

Cuts on the cows are often circular or oval and -- as with Everett King's Charolais -- seem to be made with surgical precision.

The animals seem to bloat faster than normal, and their missing hide doesn't reflect the work of predators, Campbell said.

"I've never seen an animal eat just the face off a cow when there's lots of other stuff to go after," he said.

One mutilated cow looked like it had been burned. Another seemed to have bruises around its neck as though it had been strangled. One had a long cut with a perfectly ridged edge, as though the hide had been sliced with a tool similar to pinking shears.

Also strange is that in most cases, no tracks or footprints were detected around the animals' bodies, even in mud or snow.

A misconception is that the cows have been drained of blood. Natural coagulation only makes it look like the creatures' fluids have been drained, Dailey said.

Dailey, who lives in Dupuyer, spent several nights this fall camped out in dark fields, trying to catch the culprit in the act. He has reviewed all the facts and checked out dozens of Web sites looking for answers.

Still, nothing.

"I've read everything I can read on it, and I really don't know what in the heck it is," he said.

Ranchers aren't sure what to think, either.

In September, Jim VandenBos discovered the body of one of his $850 2-year-old Angus lying dead in his pasture.

The right side of its face was skinned, and the exposed jawbone was so smooth it looked like it had been polished, VandenBos said.

Its tongue was cut off along with its right ear, eye and reproductive organs. A tennis-ball-sized patch of skin on its shoulder was hard like plastic.

Again, coyotes -- even other cattle -- steered clear.

VandenBos has been ranching southwest of Valier for more than 30 years and remembers the last wave of mutilations well.

"It's kind of a spooky thing," he said. "I haven't worried about it too much because it's something I can't control - but I'd like to find an explanation."

Toward the end of October, a neighbor found the 750-pound steer that died in Glen and Ruby Bouma's dry creek bed, three miles west of Conrad.

"There was a little trail of grass pushed up like it was shoved up underneath it," Ruby Bouma said.

The hide was missing from the calf's stomach and its reproductive organs were gone, but there were no tracks, no bullet holes and no claw marks.

The calf, No. 55, was almost a year old and was worth about $600. It was one of the friendliest animals the Boumas owned.

A local vet said it died of dust pneumonia, but Glen and Ruby have their doubts.

"That's possible, because it's so dry," Ruby Bouma said. "But I think we would have known if it was sick. We took special notice because it was one of two calves that were like pets to us. It would come up and smell your hand or your pantleg."

The whole thing is peculiar, if you ask the Boumas. When a cow dies of natural causes, for instance, predators will usually chew into its flesh.

Glen and Ruby's calf was missing only its hide. And when they checked on Thanksgiving Day, predators still were keeping their distance.

Some folks in the area think the U.S. Air Force or aliens are behind the mutilations, but not Ruby.

"I'm sorry, but I personally think it's somebody local ... that's doing it for kicks," she said.

One difficulty local investigators have encountered in cracking the case is gathering evidence.

After two or three days, collecting evidence becomes a lost cause because the cattle are so badly decomposed.

And in the summer, carcasses rot faster and often go undiscovered for weeks.

"We have to fight time," Campbell said. "We're hoping that this time of year, ranchers are gathering and feeding every day so we'll get a better jump on them and come up with some more clues."

Pondera sheriff's deputies also are hoping a Nevada laboratory will answer some of their questions.

This fall, Campbell and Dailey chopped the head off a mutilated cow, packed it in dry ice and shipped it to the National Institute for Discovery Science in Las Vegas.

The privately funded institute pays scientists and retired police officers to investigate bizarre phenomena including mutilations and UFO sightings.

A spokesman from the institute said researchers are nearly finished with their study and will be sending a copy of the report to the Pondera County sheriff's office in a couple of weeks.

"If they could come up with something, that would really help us," Dailey said.

Until investigators reach a satisfactory conclusion, theories continue to spread through local coffee shops and bars.

Some say the mutilations are a government ploy to get Montanans' minds off global issues. Others finger satanic cults or spaceships.

Most say they don't believe in all that eerie X-Files stuff. But even some of the staunchest skeptics are beginning to wonder.

"I just can't believe little men are coming from outer space," said Conrad resident Jack Rowekamp, a retired bus driver and custodian. "But I guess you never know."

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