posted 07-17-2001 12:13 AM            

Re(1): 3T3L1 / Seeker
Posted on July 16, 2001 at 08:28:40 AM by LTC8K6

Seeker, I wish you would formulate a post similar to RTW's at CC, but make it one that asks about the Chemmie mindset. Make it as insulting to chemmies as RTW's was to the military. I would like to see the reaction.

Or, anyone else who can post at CC, feel free to make the post.

Gee thanks. But since you are completely 'free' to post on this board, why don't you do your own dirty work, LTC8K6?

I've seen some rather stunning examples of cowardice and manipulation lately, but this takes the cake.

Do or die
Semper Fi
Gung Ho, Gung Ho, Gung Ho!

posted 07-17-2001 01:22 AM            

I see mr.sky has taken over another thread, and is showing his "green" side once again in the 'anniversary thread'....I'm still waiting for some chemtrail photos btw, other than chuck warren's old dusty photo's...lol...

I would think someone would have captured apparatus in use by now...if it exists...

Maybe we could play "may I see your photos please"....and rate them...

just a thought...

T/S

posted 07-17-2001 02:06 AM            

I'm going to take you up on your photo challenge, T/S. I ve got some great shots from Memorial Park in OKC. And a hell of a story to go with them.

posted 07-17-2001 02:10 AM            

When was you in my town ???

I love pictures...

are you talking about the bombing memorial ?

posted 07-17-2001 02:49 AM            

I've dealt with plenty of skeptics in the ufo field. They don't piss and moan about 'ghetto this' and 'post this for me' that. They do whatever is neccesary to reach the largest possible audience. Philip Klass is a skeptic. LTC and these other imposters aren't sceptics.

They're a waltz.

I don't know. It sure looks like the issue has been decided. There aren't any sceptics left in this issue. They've all been marginalized.

Even the EPA can't get their stories straight. IF we can get some mainstream media penetration this year, this program is doomed.

posted 07-17-2001 03:09 AM            

I tried to take a picture of one guy wearing one with the chems in the backgound. The sucker ran from me. Probably thought I was 'agency'.

Yes, Seeker. Memorial Park. Former site of the Murrah building. The Survivors Tree, grafitti left by the rescue team. All that.

There's more CT aware people in OKC than any place I've been to. And a lot of heavy drinkers, too. I pulled into a liquor store parking lot at around twelve noon and the place was packed. People coming out saw me snapping pics and I struck up a few interesting conversations. People were very friendly.

posted 07-17-2001 07:26 AM            

Excellent response seeker!

Part of my point was that there wasn't anything wrong with Cy's response to RTW, except that he shouldn't have taken the bait. RTW was not held to the same standard that Cy was. Another reason for me not to trust Thermit.

Very lame reply from LTC.

posted 07-17-2001 10:56 AM            

quote:

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I actually tried to break my word and answer Chem11, but still could not post or register at CC. So....

E-mailed to Chem11:
"Chem11, I just attemted to respond to your post at CC in the Neutral Zone. I was allowed in, but was rejected when I tried to post. Could not register under LTC8K6 either.

I wanted to say this:
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Okay Chem11, you have talked me into it. You and seeker are correct about that post of mine. It does seem like I am trying to get someone to do my dirty work, although that is not what I intended. That was a mistake on my part for sure.

Would you mind answering a question of mine?

You called me an imposter. Why? Who am I posing as?

LTC8K6
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Also I would like to know why RTW thinks the military is in control of the weather radars that bother her? Since I can't post at CC, maybe you could ask, if you don't mind "dirty work" that is.

Regards,

LTC8K6

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posted 07-17-2001 10:57 AM            

Jay has had a lot of problems with his sites because he likes to create exposes. Unfortunately these documents contain personal, incorrect and/or slanderous material. For example, the VEC expose posted a map to Logsdon's house or his parents house. That's kinda uncool. Also it was filled with baseless incorrect accusations against VEC, claiming that he was Sprayplane pilot and Guided Muscle. I know for a fact that these claims were wrong, and based on Jay's speculation. This particular expose cost Jay his site when VEC (a debunker, BTW) complained to Jay's webhost. When Jay created his webpage for Mark Sky, titled something like "Mark Sky the Drunken Poet Laurate", several people were offended. My "crime" was that I took a moment to post the complaint address for this particular webhost. Others wrote to that address and complained about that page. Even though the complaints were made only about that one page, the webhost decided to yank Jay's whole site, again. I don't think that was the original intention, but that was the result. On the positive side Jay changed the page up a little bit to not be as bad. Now Jay keeps at least tertiary backup mirrior sites, just in case. After that mess, I just stay out of stuff like that.

But a few little problems like that wouldn't keep Jay from being "involved in the controversy"...

http://worldzone.net/science/reality2u30/persons.html

posted 07-17-2001 11:55 AM            

Although that was his own damn fault, as I recall...

posted 07-17-2001 08:25 PM            

LTC8K6,

My point in characterizing you as an 'imposter' was to illustrate the falsehood of this so-called 'sceptical' philosophy that the debuker faction apparently adheres to in large part.

As previosly stated, I've had plenty of experience with debunkers prior to becoming involved in the chemtrail issue. I don't know about you, but I get a little tired of preaching to the choir. I would imagine the same would apply to the partipants of the hoax board, if they were sincere in their beliefs. In my experience, this approach doesn't jive with legitimate skepticism.

Do you honestly believe that I agree with everything that occurs on this board? Think I like being threatened with violence because someone disagrees with me? Do you think I appreciate the fact that this person was allowed to continue to particpate after repeated threats and violations of the forum rules?

Do you think I like being accused of being a 'powermonger' because I chose to fight against this sociopathic behavior?

Guess what? I don't.

RTW is one of the biggest contibutors to this forum. She has done everything she could to make it a positive place. And she has repeatedly asked that the thread in question be deleted.

Is that going to happen? No.

Is she happy about that? Probably not.

Are there probably a couple dozen things at this very moment that even Thermit isn't completely thrilled with? I can well imagine.

Now, I understand that the debunkers, non-believers, sceptics, whatever are probably unhappy with a few things themselves.

But the reality is that Chemtrail Central has become the most active forum for discussion on chemtrails on the internet.

The reality is that there are two forums open for sceptical debate on this website.

And the reality is that the vast majority of people involved in this issue whole-heartedly believe they are being sprayed with harmful substances by the military.
If this was not the case, then CD's board would have as many members as Carnicom, CTTUSA or Chemtrail Central.

If our roles were somehow reversed, and I was on some little messageboard with half a dozen members while the sceptics were enjoying the benefits of reaching the larger audience, I would sure as hell seize the opportunity to make my voice heard.

Otherwise I'm not a sceptic. I'm not a debunker. I don't have enough courage in my convictions to fight for them. I am an imposter.

And I don't care which side of the issue you are on, if you don't have the guts to stand up for what you believe... or what you know, then you are wasting your time.

Okay. I think I'm done. End of rant.