posted 09-22-2002 09:34 PM            

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When are going to understand...BUSH and Hussein don't give a tinkers cuss about you, in all likelyhood they hate you.

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In all likelihood, Hussein would cut your head off or pour gasoline down your throat and ignight it or shoot you in the head without thinking twice....because that's what he does. That's what he does on a daily basis. In all likelihood Bush is trying to save your sorry unworthy ass from this monster.

On the other hand, tell me how you think that Bush has shown any indication that he doesn't give a "tinker's damn" about America and it's people? The evidence is quite obviously the opposite by many magnitudes. He is currently attempting to Save America.

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Bush is giving Bin Laden EXACTLY what he wants...a world war between islam and the west.

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I'd say Bin Laden is giving Bin Laden EXACTLY what he wants the day he attacked this country. The war between Islam and the west.....(The radical perverted version of Islam, by the way...there is a difference) was begun in the mind of the attackers. We have no contol over their ambitions. Their hopes and your hopes are one and the same however, that we lie down like sheep, and do nothing in response. Here again we find you and the enemy sharing common ground. Sorry to disappoint you and Bin Laden. We are doing the opposite of what he wants. We are destroying his organization, and we will not stop until they are gone from the face of the Earth. Too bad if that disappoints you. Bin Laden will not achieve his goals because we are going to destroy his terrorist network before he can.

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If this war goes down, I expect terrorism and islamic fundamentalist hatred will MUSHROOM all over the world

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Uh, somebody please wake mech up and notify him that Islamic fundamentalist hatred already has MUSHROOMED all over the world. They attacked us without provocation, remember? I'd say the deaths of over 3000 US citizens is ample evidence of their hatred.

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I agree we have a LEGITAMATE right to DEFEND ourselves, especially againt any enemy that believes we should be all dead.

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Obviously, you do not. And who's the "we" that your are referring to? You've been the best advocate that the al-Queda have so far. I wouldn't be surprised if the "we" you are referring to is some anti-American terrorist group that you are sympathetic towards.

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But being the AGGRESSOR for no legitimate reason will have SERIOUS consequenses.

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The AGGRESSOR in this case was the Al-Queda. The AGGRESSOR was Sadam Hussein when he invaded Kuwait. You seem to think that war ended. We are simply about to finish the job that was left undone, and by doing so, protect America from nuclear attack at the hands of a mad man. That result is it's own reward.

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American people and especilly our children will pay a terrible price.I have a terrible feeling that the next war may be the people of the earth, against the United States.

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So you're saying that you're willing to pay the price of doing nothing, letting Sadam nuke an American city, in preference to fighting? Is that what you are saying? You seem to think we live in a friendly world now. How naive can you possibly be? Don't you realize that just about every nation, especially every Muslim and communist nation on Earth Represented by the UN (save perhaps most of Europe)would love to destroy the United States...and that the only thing that stands between you and death and or oppression, is the American military and American strength? There is only peace through strength in this world. That was a condition created by the evil bastards like Sadam Hussein, Bin Ladin , and Fidel Castro… OUR strength (that Clinton attempted to destroy) is the ONLY thing that has kept and will keep America at peace, and safe from monsters such as these....yet YOU are worried about too much American strength, too many American victories.

posted 09-23-2002 11:22 AM            

You only need to look at history to understand why these people are so mad. Take IRAN for example. The U.S. thought is was a great idea to overthrow the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadeg government and replace him with The Shaw, who was so brutal twards his own people that he literally killed off moderate opposition so that the only other option was NOT so moderate opposition in the form of Iatollah Homeaini, at that point violent islamic fundamentalist uprising skyrocketed all over that part of the world, and to this day we still have the problem CAUSED BY OUR OWN GOVERNMENT.I wonder if things would be different tody if we had left the people of Iran ALONE in the 1950's and NOT eliminated their democratically elected government.

The only thing the Bush's new Gulf War will accomplish is making arms manufacturers and oil companies rich until kingdom come and will create MORE terrorism...which mabey is what the Bush's and Rumsfeld's want so the can continue this so-called "state of emergency" for as long as they want.Thus further eroding our constitutional rights...making it safer for global markets to get away with further abuses.After all, a frightened populous kept in their kennels and obedient to buisness and the state by a heavy duty, run amok POLICE STATE is the most easy to manipulate.

When BUSH says things like "you are either with us , or with the terrorists" , I don't feel he is looking out for our constitutional rights as people of the U.S., he's no better than an outlaw.

Let's not forget all of these NEW countries that became independent countries after the fall of the Soviets,....Usbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan,..ALL of them with islamic fundamentlist movements,and thanks to the training By the U.S. of all these warriors for the Jihad during the uprising against the Soviet Union, not only did the CIA but Pakistn's ISI and inteligence recruit them train them, Saudi Arabia nd U.S. Taxpayers FUNDING them, they took their Jihad bck to their native countries with them and now we also have this also going on in indonesia, the Philippines, stretching all the way to Egypt, and Algeria...THAT is the KIND OF FIRE WE ARE PLAING WITH over there.NO regard for the long term consequenses.

Instead of addressing the ROOT causes of terrorism, our goverment is merely succeeding in making it worse by the continuing the kind of imperialist behavior that got us into this mess in the first place.

I quote the CIA in an address bulletin to the Bush administration:

" thanks to further economic globalization, regions,countries and groups feeling left behind will face deepening economic stagnation, political instability, and cultural alienation...they will foster political,ethnic, ideological and religeous extremism..along with the violence that offen accompanies it."

They don't even listen to the CIA in the Bush administration apparently.The longer we blow people up indiscriminantly, the more these fires of rage will keep growing and growing against the U.S. As well as a permenant state of emergency at home.If you read what's in the recent "anti-terrorism legislation"--Most of those laws can be in turned used on people Bush, Ashcroft and Ridge don't happen to like. To me that's very UN--PATRIOTIC.

Bush and Wolfowitz has also been openly calling for widening military action in Syria and Lybia as well. What's THAT going to lead to? Nobody is more cynical in manipulating our anguish, fear and rightly felt horror and indignation over Sept. 11th, in order to push their own dark agenda than the BUSH administration.Such as...putting nuclear missles in outer space and spending trillions of dollars that WON'T stop attacks like Sept. 11th.I'm far more afraid of Nukes in space crashing back to earth, scattering plutonium dust all over our atmosphere and poisoning us all with radiation than Saddam Hussein , Osama Bin Laden and all their followers combined.

Part of the so-called "Anti Terrorism" legslation gives bush FAST TRACK authority to negotiate trade. Essentially making corporations as strong as any nation and can challange any nations laws as a BARRIER TO FREE TRADE for such things AS:..........

* Having your own postal service, instead of privatizing it.
* Having your own school system, instead of letting corporations run that too.

In other words...Everything our taxpayers money is used for to benefit the community as a whole..HAS TO GO under FTAA/FAST TRACK.
That's how OUT OF TOUCH Bush and his staff are with REAL people.

If BOMBING stopped terrorism WHY hasn't it stopped yet?
How about a DEFENSE instead of an OFFENSE.

Will we ever get to the point when we realize we could be more secure and safer when the rest of the world isn't living in poverty so WE can have nice running shoes? After all, back breaking poverty is a prime recruiting ground for radical movements for change, and VIOLENT, STRONG--ARMED PUTDOWNS of movement for change creates the desperation and rage that creates "TERRORISTS."

Are we patriotic enough to realize the long-term effects over the short-term gains?

Fighting corporate global fuedalism is fighting terrorism because it's the giant corporations that are creating the inequality and desparation in the first place.

Plain and simple, it's bad military strategy. we don't want to create more Bin Ladens and Husseins, making our country less safe by running amok and bombing them back to the stone age.

posted 09-23-2002 12:03 PM            

If anything, attacking them would clearly be more of a motive for them to do this. Prior to this 'war' they did much business with US based industries. But you're blatantly ignoring that, much like you are virtually the whole issue. Except the one part that you feel is justified, killing IRAQ so you don't have to be paranoid.

posted 09-23-2002 10:58 PM            

a few thoughts:

I would not attack one of my best and most frequent connections in the oil industry. (Cheney and Saddam, sittin' in a tree)

I would not allow an attack to happen on american soil that could have been prevented. This has happened before and I can accept the fact that our fierce vindication be an awakening to those who would dare harm us. However, proaction in regard to hostile force is highly unethical.

I wouldn't bar freedom of information act rights in regard to Dreamland at the same time as I initiate an attack on IRAQ for building or developing weapons.

I wouldn't be stuck up the trilateral commission's greedy anus and have the pompous 'illuminati' imposters such as the majestic 12 and the bilderbergers.

I wouldn't unconditionally support the state of Israel no matter how flagrant and irrational they become.

I wouldn't have ever allowed the building of numerous idiotic and destructive 'fields' of devastating tesla technology.

I wouldn't have ever allowed that same tesla apparatus to be used in televisions, monitors, and LEDs.

I would have made bed coils out rubber not superconductive spirals.

I would have smoked the peace pipe with Paul Revere shortly after he escaped the brits with the most infamous bluff ever.

I would have put 5 grand on Phil Jackson coaching the NBA champs for the past 5 years.

I would have permanently banned velcro and similar minded individuals like yourself.

I would have picked the few idiots who think IRAQ should be occupied, stuck them all in a fleet of C-130s with 'chutes, and booted their asses out right over Baghdad.

posted 09-23-2002 11:40 PM            

lol...problem is theta, as with the bulls..when they were really hot you could not get better than 3/2 on your money !

which is like a .60 per dollar profit...the spreads were set so high that you were better off playing the dog...because like the bulls the lakers rarely cover the number...

and basketball is a loosing wager anyway...I don't know anyone who does better than even betting on b-ball...even my boy wanye root...

now football is another story, the patriots right now are the shit...I've played them straight and in a 2 team parlay with them and the *over* since the opener and hit every bet !