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Dirk Digler
Senior Member
126 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-29-2001 12:18 PM
  
3T,i think you will find that it will still be difficult to determine the altitude with certainty. however this is almost irrelevent. chem11's point was about the fact that there was only 1 trail. i stated this can easily be explained by the photo angle and other reasons. in fact, i have seen the same thing too many times to count. if you believe me (agent?) then either you have to believe that everytime that i have witnessed this;(1) something was going on; or (2), that this video can be exlained by normal means. regarding the reliance on atmospheric readings and observations. i believe that there is way too much importance placed on these. while they are good for basic observations, they are in no way accurate enough to totally rule out normal contrails. these soundings give you aproximations at different altitudes, but atmospheric conditions can change quickly and vary greatly from even i few hundred feet. DD
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-29-2001 02:39 PM
I believe that it is important to gather as much information as possible concerning altitude and atmoshperic conditions related to this video, DD.Funny that the scientific method touted for so long by debunkers goes out the window once convincing evidence is presented...
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Dirk Digler
Senior Member
126 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-29-2001 03:06 PM
no, i wouldnt say that chem11.
i didnt mean to imply that it wasnt important, just there is a margin of error. i would bet the percentage of trails that dont "add up" so to say, would fall into this margin. my other problem is that very few actually take the time to really study these tools. they obtain a cursorary knowledge and then start spouting off like albert einstein. how many times have you seen people try to connect what was happening at altitude with the current conditions on the ground? this is rediculous but it used to happen all the time.
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Delphi
Mystic Warrior
S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-30-2001 01:47 AM
Hi Dirk, HMMM...thinkin on your questions...o.k., for 1)My sweetie skywatches with me a lot and he is REALLY, really military...I mean, he's been around the block and then some military-career-wise, and if he answers my question about altitude, I figure I can pretty much "take-it-to-the-bank"....or, he could be "off" a little in estimate but I gotta say, he's pretty good...I mean, this guy used to get put in the "jungle", eat bugs, etc. for recondo training and such....trained a lot, lots of military courses, military college and such, so....Plus, I have lived on or near "bases" all my life and after a good number of years having military planes around, even being on the flight line, etc., watching mil. planes in flight and training, ya get pretty good at figuring altitude...not saying perfect, but good. 2)Some of the differences in the "chem-spray" observations compared to contrails....on "heavy" spray days, lots of "particulate" matter in the air and streaming down...so much, that it sometimes shows up in pics I'm trying to get of trails, planes, orbs, etc. Many times, really long filament web type strands, many feet long, (20 ft.) or more, streaming down and draping on trees and such...can't really hazard a guess as to what all that "stuff" floating down and around is on heavy spray days...they say spider webs as far as strands, but is more like fibers. Try to get samples, but not successful yet...will keep trying. And yes, I have had a few really low level spray dealys...one was very low and spectacular but your gonna pick at me cause I didn't get a pic so all you have is my word...though, you can take that to the bank also...that and $1 might get ya a coffee somewhere...  . Anyways, it's late and I'm pooped but that's about all I can thing of....also, the "rainbow" colors to the spray as it "lowers" and disperses, I find interesting as is the intense chemical, chlorine, burning plastic type odors often involved on heavy spray days. Blessings and good wishes, Joanne ^j^
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Molliani
Senior Member
Illinois
422 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-30-2001 03:08 AM
3T3L1
This site has some nice pictures of
the KC 135 E and some US site maps.
The site maps may not be up to date.
http://purplehaze.4mg.com/aircraft.html
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-30-2001 06:05 AM
Hey, thanks, Molliani! That site had the pictures I was looking for. One (which I won't post) shows that KC-135Es are stationed in Bangor, Maine, which is near eyesopen. The other, which I will post, shows a KC-135 at the same angle as the plane in the video. To my untrained eye, it looks like Chickiedeb is right--based on color, location, and rough outline, it's probably a KC-135. And if it were putting out four separate contrails, when viewed at that angle, the trails would probably appear to be one large trail. Again, to my untrained eye, it doesn't look like it's dumping fuel because the trail gets very broad all at once, and stays about that same width across the picture.   ---------------------- Drat! The picture was working last night. If it's not there, click on Molliani's link. It's the first picture on the page.
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-30-2001 05:00 PM
I have to got to a meeting now, but I have uploaded a photo in the new image database called "What is it?". Can you help identify this jet? Not chemming in photo but did leave a huge chem moments before...... Thanks.
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 08-30-2001 05:05 PM
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Dirk Digler
Senior Member
126 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-31-2001 08:38 PM
lets logically look at the other side to this picture. lets suppose it is only one trail and is chem related. how was it sprayed? it couldnt be from the engines because there is supposedly only one trail. how do you get a wing span size trail if its not from the engines?DD
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 09-06-2001 07:24 PM
I put three shots of "jets-that-leave-trails-that-don't-go-away" in the new image database called please identify #1,2,3. Lots of these over the area today. They all looked like the same type. I counted 20 in an hour which is very abnormal unless it is a spray day like today. Come on debunkers! Tell me these are commercial traffic. I will trust your judgment. If they are, they were re-routed like crazy and left very persistant trails. Had to reformat my drive so I lost my links for humidity but these are from today Sept 6th. I have some very good video from today that I haven't checked out yet but should be very detailed. How are these people over my small town????!!!!
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Dirk Digler
Senior Member
126 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 09-07-2001 03:42 PM
eyes,i checked out your photos. 2 of them appear to be the same aircraft, probably a 767, maybe a 777. the third is definately a 747. judging from where you are located (southern maine. i love southern maine by the way, i have spent some time in kennebunk) it wouldnt be unusual to have many of these types flying over your area. your location is directly below one of the busiest corridors in the world. all aircraft flying between northern europe and the eastern seaboard traverse the airspace above your home. and not coindidently, the 2 most popular aircraft types on the northern atlantic routes are the 767 and 747. hope this helps DD
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 09-07-2001 04:09 PM
#1:
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 09-07-2001 05:52 PM
Thanks DD, actually all are different although they appear the same. They just went by in great numbers.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 09-07-2001 05:57 PM
toxdoc's photo of the fuel dump and this one below clearly shows material ejected from a "nozzel" would appear at the source and not form behind the engines like a contrail does...which to me renders the above pic's as normal contrails... 
T/S
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 09-07-2001 06:08 PM
Tha's odd. Last time I checked you we're trying to tell me that the megasprayer footage was a fuel-dump...
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 09-07-2001 06:46 PM
Call me crazy but I still think those jets were chemming above me. Hey, I heard that! Individuals with mail accounts should check their mail for info on an interesting photo....
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 09-07-2001 07:58 PM
chem, I look at stuff and try to form a logical opinion....gotta problem with that ? T/S
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 09-07-2001 08:06 PM
No,no. No problem, Carl... 
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