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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-25-2001 11:34 PM
  
I'm involved in a project which requires that I know the length of a plane which is putting out trails. Are there any eagle-eyed pilot-types who could help me figure out what this plane might be, and, if not, approximately what I might expect its length to be? (Sorry about the quality. These are screen grabs.)  
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-25-2001 11:37 PM
The grabs are from the video Chem11 posted a link to here at: http://megasprayer.pitas.com/
I also have frame grab in the new images database but it is of similar quality. If need ne I can capture the video again at a higher resolution in a few days.
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-25-2001 11:51 PM
Whatcha up to, 3T3L1? Hmmm?
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-25-2001 11:57 PM
Fun with geometry, Chem. But according to Rush Limbaugh, girls can't do geometry, so I don't know why I bother.
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 12:17 AM
You're 'thimping', 3T3!
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 12:33 AM
Naw. But I do have a picture of power or telephone lines, which if we knew their diameter, their distance from the camera, and their height off the ground, would tell us a lot.[BTW, "thimping" is a term invented by Lulu. It's a convenient way to express "thumping" + "pimping."]
Added bit of interest: the contrail here is in colors. I don't think that will tell us what it's made of. But toxdoc might know.
[Edited 5 times, lastly by 3T3L1 on 08-26-2001]
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 12:47 AM
Yes, a kind of prismatic effect. The jet appears to be rather dark in it's color scheme as well. The video was shot at appx. 4 PM, so this doesn't appear to be an effect of low-level light.Eyesopen, are these in fact power or telephone lines that we are looking at in the still? I had assumed something went wrong when you uploaded and the files had been corrupted.
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 01:26 AM
Those are power lines. I have a bunch of reference points in the clip. In the clip called "trailfromcolortrail" in online storage, I zoom out and you can see reference points a lot clearer there. I actually get a corner of my hoses roof over me as well as trees and lines. So alot to judge distance from. I was hoping it would be possible to get the known dimensions of objects in the photo and figure altitude of the jet. I feel personally (and I am no expert on this) that it was pretty low. My zoom isn't so good so it I don't think it was far away.
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 02:00 AM
Okay. I get it... the portion with the power lines was edited out in the shorter clip and the still frames are from the 20 meg version.Second question. On what date was the video taken? You should see the debunkers squirming in their seats over in the nosebleed section on this. It's an emergency fuel dump! It's was really humid and it's an enormous airframe contrail! It doesn't prove anything! Except, of course, the human mind's capacity for extraordinary and irrational denial. These folks are the same kind of people that aquitted O.J. Simpson. Well, in my book, if it walks like a duck...and it quacks like a duck... and you've got video evidence of it waddling and quakking... chances are, it's a DUCK! Of course such fuzzy logic is never going to alter the wishful thinking of those emotionally ill-equipped to face the situation. Which is why cebrity murderers are allowed to walk the streets. And why spouses stay with a partner who continues to abuse them.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 08-26-2001 02:27 AM
3t3's doing a photogrammetric analysis ? good show !It's an emergency fuel dump! makes more sense to me than spraying psuedomonas arginosa, viruses, bacteria, poisons, parasites, chemicals plagues (sp?) but I here ya chem...no one likes being sprayed...
 T/S
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 02:48 AM
No one ever accused the federal government or the US military of being sensible, T/S.Just ask a Vietnam veteran (Agent Orange). Or the Columbians (Roundup). We spray people left and right, T/S. Fact.
Eventually, people can build up a resistance to many chemicals. Ever seen somebody get zapped with high-concentration pepper spray? I've seen guys going through police academy literally mess their pants afer getting hit with the capstun. But some of the military guys can eat this stuff like candy, after repeated exposure. So if you wanted to acclimate the general population to a specific biological threat, extended exposure to a similar, less lethal variant might be the way to go.
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eyesopen
This Space For Rent
Ventura CA
627 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 04:02 AM
Date of footage. I would say not July or August. Would have to be May or June. Late May or early June is my first thought. There was a lot of chem haze in the air that affected the light but the sun was still pretty high. The prism effect was when the jet went into a not as hazey area I think.
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 08:45 AM
The first "it *could be, based on color,*" ID is a KC-135 Stratotanker: quote:
Re(2): WooWoo alert
Posted on August 26, 2001 at 06:58:50 AM by ChickiedebMy first impressions: 1. 3 second clip of a video, no matter how many times I look at it, is impossible to make a judgement. 3's blown-up capture above distorts and does not help in trying to ID the plane itself; first impression from the dark speck of the plane on the video is it *could be, based on color,* a KC-135 Stratotanker (101st Air Refueling Wing -- Bangor, Maine KC-135E).
2. Because it came from Eyesopen, who announced that he made the video a few weeks ago, I knew it was captured some where in Maine. I want to know the latitude and longitude, time of day, and ADDS capture for RH and temperature at 26,000 feet and up at the time of the capture.
3. Without knowing the videographer's vantage point, altitude can't be *estimated*. Without seeing the entire video or corroborating photographs of the sky around this capture, there's no way of knowing if other contrails were present in the same area. Initial impression: ROFLMAO. *If* that plane is military, it only goes to show once again, that chemmies believe the military have no business flying and make their assumptions without presenting corroborating facts that can be verified. More info, please.
quote:
Re(1): Refurbishing & Retirement of KC-135's
Posted on August 26, 2001 at 07:36:32 AM by ChickiedebDuring the past several years, most of the aircraft in the KC-135 fleet have been retrofitted with new CFM-56 engines that increase their fuel-carrying capacity. About two-thirds of the KC-135s have been modernized with this engine. The remainder (designated as KC-135E aircraft) have been retrofitted with less efficient engines for the Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard.
http://www.fas.org/man/congress/1997/cbo_deficit/def15.htm Of the original KC-135A's, more than 410 have been modified with new CFM-56 engines produced by CFM-International. The re-engined tanker, designated either the KC-135R or KC-135T, can offload 50 percent more fuel, is 25 percent more fuel efficient, costs 25 percent less to operate and is 96 percent quieter than the KC-135A.
http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/KC_135_Stratotanker.html
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 08:52 AM
  "The KC-135 Stratotanker's principal mission is air refueling."
"Wingspan: 130 feet, 10 inches (39.88 meters)"
"Length: 136 feet, 3 inches (41.53 meters)"
"Maximum Transfer Fuel Load: 200,000 pounds (90,719 kilograms)" http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/KC_135_Stratotanker.html
"U.S. tanker forces consist of 472 KC-135 aircraft and 54 KC-10 aircraft (both figures reflect primary mission aircraft inventory--those planes available for operational use)."
http://www.fas.org/man/congress/1997/cbo_deficit/def15.htm
If you would like to see a short version of the video, without the power lines, here it is: http://members.home.net/dvd4112/video/colortrail.mpeg There is a 21.4 MB clip available which includes trees and power lines, but we can't figure out a free place to post it.
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 06:17 PM
A little more data:The video was taken in late May/early June of 2001 at 4:00 PM EDT ± 1 hour. It was taken at 44º04' North, 70º24' West.
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Delphi
Mystic Warrior
S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-26-2001 11:26 PM
Topgunn,I hope you're reading this as you're not gonna believe it but here goes,...From all the skywatching I've done, especially in the past few years, with high powered binoculars with zoom, pictures I've taken, and close, low altitude observations of planes doing chem spraying, I, for whatever it's worth have made my own conclusion that vitually NONE of the chemplanes that I have observed are Air-Force planes. Not that I feel like the Air Force is "lily-white", and they do their share of "snooping" and have new technologies and weapons and such, as does any branch of the military because that is the business they are in and that is what they do....IF any branch at all would be involved...it would hands down have to be "Navy" planes...but I cannot really justify that opinion totally, though some of the planes do seem to resemble navy Tacamo plane. The 135 and 130's and such, I have seen often, at the nearby SAC base and I have never seen any evidence that they are involved. The chemplanes I observe at nite when going "home" are all at a North East heading and going past the base and beyond. The planes I have in pics and have observed do not resemble 135's. Most are much "sleeker", much longer in length with extremely narrow fuselage body. Sometimes, there are "clunkier" planes involved, yet they are not the 135's/130's, etc. I have dealings on base regularly and pass the flight line constantly and have never seen anything suspiscious there and am very familiar with the plane body styles and the planes I consistently see spraying are none of those. More and more, I feel like these planes are being manned by either ex/or retired military that have become involved in some kind of "project" by unkown factions for an as yet unclear purpose to us...or foriegn pilots, or mercenary type pilots that do not worry about the consequences of what they do....Even with mind control scenarios, I cannot picture so many of our own military being involved. And as I said before, the planes I see anyway, don't match up to that scenario. Some of these planes I have seen at very low altitudes and most do not appear as 135's and such. The 135's may be retro-fitted now and changed but not involved in this chem scenario. I'm not saying military are angels and I know of all the experiments and things done in the past but this time, just this once, they may not be the answer. I have lots of veteran pals from Vietnam and Gulf War and many are ill and suffering and I know how the military can be and is, but the chemplanes seem to be something or someone else and I don't intuit that I am wrong...I wish I could know who is doing this to us all and what exactly is being done, but until more than one of these planes can be caught, examined, and checked out close-up, it will be hard to discern...Bless us all, Joanne
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Chem11
megasprayer news
The Homeland
1366 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 08-27-2001 12:10 AM
I don't know, Joanne... I've watched the sprayplanes take off from McChord too many times to count. And even if your merc scenario holds up, whose job is it to defend our airspace and the general poplation? Last time, I checked it was the USAF. No way could they not be aware of what is going on in our skies on a routine basis. So at the very least they are accomplices.But, like I said, I and many others have observed their point of origin. There was a list of bases that witnesses had seen sprayplanes taking off from a while back, and certainly not every AFB in the US was implicated, but there simply is no way around the awful truth of the situation. And it doesn't take MK Ultra to convince someone to become a traitor. All it takes is a direct order. History has proven as much, time and time again...
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-27-2001 09:56 AM
We seem to have touched a nerve. There are an awful lot of responses to this thread over at the Debunkers' place. http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=Earthboundmisfit See the "Woo Woo Alert" posts, but there are quite a few other references to it in other posts as well. 
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Thermit
Tech
Houston, TX
2733 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 08-27-2001 12:49 PM
Dirk Digler was pretty good at IDs, and he was around just recently, although from those pixelated shots it is a rough call...
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-27-2001 08:50 PM
I dunno. If you compare the drawings to the pix, Chickie Deb may have nailed it.
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-28-2001 01:35 PM
On another thread, Dirk Digler says it's a 747, or something like it:
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Delphi
Mystic Warrior
S. Bossier, Louisiana
1583 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-28-2001 08:11 PM
I have seen the 135's,etc. with the one spray boom extended and like the above picture in the air also, unfortunately, the chemplanes I've seen were spewing several chem-lines, easily seen as altitude was under 20,000ft. When spray appears to be coming from areas not invovling visible spray boom and when the plane body is very "sleek" and visibly not a 135,...well, it's something else. Unless they are only using 135's in specific areas for some reason, I don't know what the explanation could be, but the chemplanes here are not 135's. Like I said above, I'm not saying the Air Force is "lily-white", just mentioning what I've observed in this particular area. My observations may not apply for elsewhere...have no way of knowing. Maybe the Air Force does know and cannot do anything about what is occurring, they certainly couldn't admit it if that was the case....could they. What about the "un-lawful" order thingy TG was always yapping about? Someone could say something in that case I thought? Any pics I have of the chemplanes at DS4, I've observed while "chemming", you can clearly see they are not 135's so I'm just mentioning my particular experiences. You may be exactly right. Wish I had access to a satellite, then maybe I could see all the chemplanes but as it is, I can only say in reference to the ones over head here. And, also, there is still always the all-out-far-out scenario that these are E.T. vehicles cloaked or disguised and that none of us are correct. Wow, the Hoax board is gonna have a ball now! Things have been getting dull anyway. The "laughter curtain" will definitely descend on that one...but, yet, we really don't know for sure? Blessings, Joanne HMMMMM. ^j^ 
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Dirk Digler
Senior Member
126 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-29-2001 11:19 AM
delphi,i stated that it "appeared" to be either a 707 or 747. both look similar from this angle although if i had to bet my house i would say 707/E-3/KC135. i have a couple of honest questions. how did you calculate the altitude of the sprayers that you witnessed to be below 20,000 ft? i only ask because this can be a very difficult calculation. i have a hard time telling the difference between 25,000 and 35,000 and i am around aviation every day of my life. you are aware that contrails form not only in 30,000 ft and above range but also frequently in the 200-300 range and occasionally slightly below 200. my second question is how do the commercial a/c trails that you witness at low altitudes (200-250) differ from the chemtrails that you see at the same altitudes. unless you are saying that your trails are at very low altitudes such as below 5000 ft. if this is the case i would love to see pictures of this. whatever the case, you may want to confer with Thermit and carnicom; both have determined that all spraying is at the high altitudes (sorry Mark, i believe this is what you determined). so i dont think that your "below 20,000 ft" observations fit in with the mainstream chemtrailers. DD
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Dirk Digler
Senior Member
126 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-29-2001 11:38 AM
this was meant got another thread
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3T3L1
Differentiated Mouse Fibroblasts
Lubbock, Texas
1347 posts, Mar 2001
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posted 08-29-2001 11:48 AM
Thanks, DD.Actually, I don't think we're saying that this is proven to be normal contrailing or actual chemspraying. Eyesopen shot this video, and later noticed the extraneous objects. Now that we have a reasonable ID on the plane, we're waiting for eyesopen to get us the figures on: 1. distance from the camera to the electric wires
2. height of the electric wires off the ground
3. diameter of the electric wires He will have to get #2 and #3 from the electric company, since making the measurements himself could lead to his electrocution.  But once those numbers arrive, we'll be able to do the geometry and figure out the altitude of the plane. This is actually a dry run for eyesopen. He didn't realize it would be important to record the date, the time, and do a screen grab of ADDS humidity and temperature just after he took the video. Otherwise debunkers will be able to claim normal contrails were forming at that altitude on that day.
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