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Mech
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posted 12-04-2002 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
CARRIER HEADS FOR IRAQ.

I guess BUSH plans on going to war with Iraq regardless of what the U.N. says....


FROM THE CORPORATE MEDIA.......

U.S. battle group heads toward Iraq

By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON, Dec 4 (Reuters) - The aircraft carrier Harry S. Truman and its battle group were set to depart the East Coast on Thursday packing warplanes and missiles that could be part of an opening salvo in any U.S.-led attack on Iraq, Navy officials said.

The newest operational U.S. carrier, the Truman was leaving Norfolk, Virginia, on a regularly scheduled six-month deployment due to take it to the Mediterranean in the next week or so, then to waters nearer the Gulf.

Officers and crew of the Truman left scant doubt they expected to play a key role because of the timing of their departure if President George W. Bush orders an attack on Iraq for allegedly hiding banned chemical, nuclear or germ weapons.

"Boy, are we ready ... for wherever he wants to send us," Navy Capt. Ted Carter told Reuters on Wednesday. He is the Truman's executive officer and the F-14 "Tomcat" pilot who led the first Navy strike in Kosovo in 1999.

With slots for more than 80 warplanes, the Truman was due to relieve the George Washington battle group, scheduled back in Norfolk "later this month," said Lt. Fred Kuebler, spokesman for the Navy's 2nd Fleet, which is in charge of Navy units on the East Coast. He said that schedule could change based on world events.

Another U.S. carrier battle group, the Abraham Lincoln, is supposed to be winding up its stay in the area, to be replaced by the 88,000-ton Constellation, on its way after a Dec. 1 port call in Singapore.

A fifth U.S. aircraft carrier, the Yokosuka, Japan-based Kitty Hawk, may also be headed for Gulf waters, said Patrick Garrett, who is tracking deployments for GlobalSecurity.org, an Alexandria, Virginia-based defense research group.

'98,000 TONS OF DIPLOMACY'

The Truman battle group is commanded by Rear Adm. John Stufflebeem, until June the deputy director of global operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Stufflebeem told reporters aboard ship last month that uncertainties about the extent to which Iraq's neighbors would host any U.S. combat flights meant a possible greater U.S. reliance on sea-launched attacks.

"We're locked and loaded," Capt. Michael Groothousen, the commanding officer, told the same group on Nov. 17. He referred to the Truman as "98,000 tons of diplomacy."

Among the carrier's air wing is a squadron of F-14s, the Navy's primary strike fighter, capable of dropping laser- and satellite-guided precision bombs. Also deployed are F/A-18 "Hornet" strike fighters, EZ-6B "Prowler" electronic warfare aircraft and E-2C "Hawkeye" early warning aircraft.

The Truman is accompanied by the Tomahawk cruise missile-firing cruiser San Jacinto and destroyers Oscar Austin, Mitscher and Donald Cook. The Navy did not immediately release the name of the submarine or submarines in the Truman battle group.

Tomahawk-firing submarines, whose whereabouts are typically unknown to U.S. foes, have joined in the opening salvos of the last two U.S. military strikes, including the one that drove the Taliban from Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.


HMM...How many dead civilians this time?

HMM...I wonder how many of our kids are going to come home in nothing but a body bag...just to make Bush, Cheney and their ILK even richer?

It's okay they aren't human..they're COLLATERAL DAMAGE according to those swine.


LOL! THEY FORGOT RUMSFELD!!



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posted 12-04-2002 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this Letter to the Editor in the Dec. 4 Spokesman Review.


WHY IRAQ BUT NOT NORTH KOREA?

How come the totally closed country of North Korea with its known nuclear capabilities and missiles is not an enemy we must destroy? These are certainly weapons of mass destruction, plus I have read the Japanese government believes they also have poison gas and biological capabilities. Yet our government seems only concerned with destroying the war potential of Iraq.

Is it Iraq's oil or its relationship to Israel that is causing the concern? Many countries much closer to Iraq don't seem nearly as concerned with the aggressive potential of Iraq as is our government. What is our government not telling us about their motives? Possibly North Korea, with its millions of starving people that would have to be fed should the country be defeated, scares off any hostile power.

John R. Gaines
Spokane

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posted 12-04-2002 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The answer is sooooooo simple.......


http://www.alpheus.org/html/source_materials/parapolitics/sandb_print.html

PAX AMERICANA
http://www.voxnyc.com/archives/00000066.htm#comments

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posted 12-04-2002 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some other interesting military statistics from a David Broder article entitled "Bush uses attacks as political lever" in the Washington Post (reprinted in the Dec. 4 Spokesman Review).

"As my friend, columnist Mark Shields, pointed out recently, when Congress authorized the use of force in Iraq, not a single member of the house and only one senator had a son or daughter serving in the enlisted ranks of the armed services. And only three House members have children who are officers.

More than 130,000 reservists have been activated--taken from their civilian jobs and their families--since the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Some of them are in their second year of service, because no one is available to replace them. Thousands more will be called up if we fight Iraq. Almost everywhere you look, the element of shared sacrifice that should be expected in a nation at war is missing.

A few people are being asked to give up a lot--measured in time or money--while others are being indulged in ways no one can claim are fair."

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posted 12-04-2002 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep...we have a 100% Chickenhawk federal government.

Send the poor to die so they can get rich.

Parents...kiss your kids goodbye.




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A SOLDIER BACK FROM AFGANISTAN REFLECTS.....


Fresh memories of war
Soldiers prepare for their second mission at the Bagram military base in East Afghanistan.

By KANDEA MOSLEY
Ithaca Journal Staff
December 5,2002


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ITHACA -- The stench of decaying flesh hung heavy in the air as soldiers passed blown-up bunkers and caves.
As they moved down an L-shaped corridor, the stiffened limbs of a Taliban soldier jutted from beneath piles of rock and dust in the sweltering afternoon air.

Ripped-up pages from the Koran, and booklets describing ways to kill Americans, littered the tree-lined valley that had been bombarded by U.S. air strikes before their arrival.

These recollections, marking the intensity of every hour of every day felt in combat, typify the memories that resurface for veterans of World War II, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War and other military combat this Memorial Day weekend.

For Army Private Matt Guckenheimer, who recently returned home to Tompkins County after two missions in Eastern Afghanistan, processing these memories and readjusting to American life has just begun.

Guckenheimer, who helped clear the L-shaped valley near the border of Pakistan whose twists and turns are burned into his memory, explained the nature of his company's mission. In doing so, he spoke candidly about the reality of war.

In an April interview with The Ithaca Journal at his family's Cayuga Heights home, Guckenheimer, 22, shared his experiences during Operation Anaconda. He was sent on March 6 in a company of more than 100 soldiers to participate in the largest U.S.-led ground engagement in Eastern Afghanistan.

"We were told there were no friendly forces," said Guckenheimer, an assistant gunner with the 10th Mountain Division at Fort Drum. "If there was anybody there, they were the enemy. We were told specifically that if there were women and children to kill them."

Taliban al-Qaida soldiers had already been given about two weeks to surrender when U.S. soldiers were ordered to demolish their last strongholds and finish the operation, he said.

Guckenheimer said he loved learning about tanks and guns and watching battle scenes on TV when he was young.

As a teen-ager, he said, his desire to prepare himself to confront the challenges of war intensified despite his family's disapproval. After attending Ithaca High School his freshman year, he transferred to a boarding school in Bath, Maine.

His parents, Meredith Kusch and John Guckenheimer, attended Oberlin College in Ohio and the University of California at Berkeley during the Vietnam era. They used to joke that they would disown him if he ever joined the military, he said.

"They're just about the most passive people you could want," he said with a smile. "I just ended up not being that way."

Guckenheimer said he believed his parents had been indoctrinated with a skewed view of the Vietnam War that led them to undervalue war's place in defending the United States. But he said he has noticed a shift in their outlook since Sept. 11.

John Guckenheimer agreed, to an extent, with his son's assessment.

"I think it was necessary for the U.S. to respond militarily to the events of Sept. 11, but I don't feel completely comfortable with the way the war in Afghanistan is being conducted," he said.

He thinks that the United States is settling into a long and entrenched war in the region, and might repeat the mistakes the Russians made there.

As a Cornell math professor, he said, he has worked with members of the armed forces and has held them in high regard. Regarding the U.S. military as an institution, and his and his wife's opinion of it, he said, "I don't know that our attitudes in general have changed since Matt joined."

Matt Guckenheimer said his first combat experience in Afghanistan was enough.

"I know that I can get through it, so the challenge is gone," Guckenheimer said. "I don't think wanting to put yourself in that position is really healthy to begin with."

Because of the effectiveness of earlier U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, the number of Taliban soldiers killed during Guckenheimer's missions was minimal, he said. He knew of only about 10 enemy fighters who were killed, he said.

"Most of it (the difficulty of the missions) wasn't as much the enemy as it was the elements," he said.

Adjusting to the high altitude and low oxygen levels of the region was a struggle. Layers of Gortex and fleece couldn't shield them from the cold nights. They would wake up to find their canteens covered in ice, he said.

When he returned to the United States after spending a month either on missions or at the Bagram military base, Guckenheimer said, he remembered how alienated Americans are from each other. After living in a Third World country, where people he didn't know would smile or say hello to him on the streets, it was jarring to return home, where contact among strangers is mostly shunned.

"These people who lived through life, they seemed to be more grounded," he said. Coming home was like walking back into a "clueless" society where over-consumption is commonly regarded as the route to happiness, he said.

He said although he only interacted with Afghan men, those he spoke to looked forward to women re-entering public life. On the whole, he said, residents of the towns attached to the Bagram base had been able to achieve a measure of happiness despite living amid constant war.

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US WITHOLDS ALLEGED "WEAPONS DATA" FROM INSPECTORS........


The Bush administration has told United Nations inspectors that it will not provide them with intelligence information on suspected weapons sites in Iraq, as agreed in the UN resolution on inspections, until it examines the weapons declaration Baghdad has submitted.

Here we see a real-world result of the internet revolution. Government propaganda frauds perpetrated during the Vince Foster, Ron Brown, OK City, TWA 800, WACO, 9-11 etc. cases have quickly been exposed as frauds by knowledgeable experts online. The cost of running internet propaganda operations to contain the damage has skyrocketed. With a war for Iraq's oil the only hope for a bankrupt US Government, it is clear that Bush and his co-conspirators dare not disk another humiliating exposure at this critical time. Note the willingness by the US Government to violate the UN Resolution by refusing to show anyone the evidence the US claims they have..........

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December 9 2002
By Karen DeYoung,
Washington

The Bush administration has told United Nations inspectors that it will not provide them with intelligence information on suspected weapons sites in Iraq, as agreed in the UN resolution on inspections, until it examines the weapons declaration Baghdad has submitted.

The comments by Mohamed ElBaradei, Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, and one of the two senior inspectors, reflects growing tension between the inspectors, along with some other members of the Security Council, and the White House as inspections have begun and visible US preparations for war continue.

Both Dr ElBaradei and chief UN inspector Hans Blix have expressed consternation over the increasing US insistence that it has firm evidence that Iraq is lying when it says it has no weapons of mass destruction, while at the same time refusing to share that evidence with the inspectors - as Mr Bush pledged to do.

"What I've been told by the US and others," Dr ElBaradei said on Friday, "is that they will provide us with information once the declaration is out."

A UN official told The Age last night that inspectors wanted the US to "throw them a bone", or show them where they thought the weapons might be.

"The inspectors are saying to the US, instead of just telling us to go fetch, what about some directions?" said a UN official who is close to the debate.

The administration has made clear that its priority in revealing intelligence information on Iraq is to catch Baghdad in falsehoods. Iraqi lies, under the inspections resolution unanimously passed by the UN Security Council last month, might then be declared a "material breach" of council demands and provide justification for the use of US military force to topple President Saddam Hussein.

Asked after Friday's closed-door council meeting whether he thought there would be anything new and significant in the Iraqi declaration, Dr Blix said that the Iraqis denied possession of weapons of mass destruction.

But he said: "I understand they're also saying that there may be some news in the dual-use sector . . . and also information about production or activities which are claimed to be for peaceful purposes in . . . nuclear, biological and chemical. That will be new, all of it."

- Washington Post, with Caroline Overington

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posted 12-09-2002 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SING:

- - - -It's beginning to look a lot like 1984.... la la la.....endless, endless war... - - -


Rense.com
12-9-2


The American republic died at Appomattox in 1865, replaced by a national government that has gradually evolved into an empire in a permanent state of war.

Most of us don't pay much attention to such stuff as history and perspective. Certainly the news media don't. Nevertheless, there are consequences of living in a war state, both to our own individual freedom and to our pocketbooks.

This past week, President Bush made a big deal about signing a military authorization bill with a $30 billion increase. Here we are, 12 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and without a credible enemy in sight we are still spending nearly $400 billion annually on defense. It is not really the cost of defense, but rather the cost of an empire.Spending this much on defense and still having an alleged "terrorist" event like Sept. 11th occuring shows the madness behind the Bush administration.

The United States is the largest arms dealer in the world. Since 1992, the United States has exported more than $142 billion worth of weaponry to states around the world. Keep this in mind when you hear Washington politicians decry the proliferation of weapons such as air-to-ground missiles. We've exported more than two-and-a-half times as many weapons as the No. 2 and No. 3 states - the United Kingdom and Russia, respectively.

In 2001, total world arms transfer agreements were worth nearly $26.4 billion, and the United States accounted for 45.8 percent of them. The U.S. arms industry, by the way, is the second-most-heavily subsidized industry after agriculture. In 1999, the United States supplied arms or military technology to 92 percent of all the conflicts around the globe. This military largesse often goes to nondemocratic countries with abominable human-rights records.

But in addition to being the world's chief arms peddler, we also train the military personnel in more than 70 countries and have our own troops stationed in nearly 100 foreign countries. It has not been unusual for Americans to end up fighting people with American equipment and American training. The missiles on the wings of the Chinese fighter plane that collided with our intelligence aircraft were Israeli copies of American missiles. People trained and armed by the CIA during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan founded much of al-Qaida.

It's unnecessary to the real defense of the United States and its people. There is no country on Earth in a position to invade us with conventional forces. Only two countries, Russia and China, have the capability of attacking us with intercontinental ballistic missiles. Terrorists, while they are now receiving the bulk of the government's propaganda attention, cannot threaten our national security in any way, though they can, of course, kill some of us. But remember that in 2001, "terrorists" killed 3,000(I estimate much higher) of us, while 90,000 of us died in accidents. Even our own homegrown criminals killed 13,000 people, or four times as many as the terrorists. Police departments didn't get a $30 billion budget increase.

Scaring the home folks with "enemies at the gates" is the oldest ploy in human history for justifying an all-powerful government. Give us your money and your liberty, and we will protect you from the barbarians. Of course, the supply of barbarians proves to be infinite, for as soon as one enemy is defeated or collapses, another is manufactured.

Unless we find a way to reverse course and return to our republican ways, our imperial government will collapse under the weight of its own profligate spending and corruption.Much like the Soviet Union did. A government that lies, keeps secrets, spies on its own people and tries to control every aspect of their lives is a far cry from the American republic that existed from 1787 to 1865.It sounds alot more like Cold War,KGB Russia.





http://reese.king-online.com/Reese_20021209/index.php

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SUMS IT ALL UP......


http://www.dubyadubyadubya.com/

IS IT TOO LATE FOR CONSTITUTIONAL LAW?

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Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds.


Politicians hide themselves away.
They only started the war.
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah.

Time will tell on their power minds,
making war just for fun.
Treating people just like pawns in chess,
wait till their judgement day comes.

Now in darkness world stops turning,
ashes where the bodies burning.
No more War Pigs have the power,
Hand of God has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, God is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercies for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings.

OSBOURNE/IOMMI/BUTLER

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posted 12-11-2002 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OUTSTANDING AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONALIST AND USMC VETERAN SCOTT RITTER SPEAKS.


On December 3, 2002, Scott Ritter spoke at Binghamton University.

If you've heard one or more of his other speeches, the content of the presentation will not be new to you. However, during the question and answer period he addresses current events, and he fields questions that are somewhat different. I recommend the "Part 2" mp3 if you've heard his other speeches. Each mp3 file runs for about an hour.

There's a good deal of discussion about Depleted Uranium (DU) weapons use. You should check out a recent interview Doug Rocke did on Flashpoints. Rocke is a combat veteran of Vietnam and Desert Storm, and was the army's main man for clean-up operations involving DU following the Gulf War. He's now a whistleblower. Officers (in uniform and not) have approached him, asking him to shut up. His house has been shot at. He discusses this and the history of DU weapons, and how thousands of American "Gulf War I" veterans have died in what he calls the largest case of "friendly fire" in history. There were only a few American casualties immediately after "Gulf War I," but now that we get set to strike Iraq again, it's important to bear in mind that U.S. casualties from that war are quite significant today. Don't miss the interview. It's an eye opener.

STREAMING AUDIO/MP 3 LINK:
http://boston.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=9464&group=webcast

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posted 12-11-2002 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a putz....I can't believe this guy is our president!


Sorry George...WE Remember.

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FUHRER BUSH THROWS 25 BILLION OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT TURKEY TO "FIGHT TERRORISM". LOL!!!!!!

Turkey's Price To Support
Bush's Iraq War: $25 Billion
By Caroline Daniel in Washington Financial Times
12-11-02

The Bush administration was pressed yesterday to offer Turkey economic assistance at a White House meeting by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, leader of the governing Justice and Development party, as part of the price of any military co-operation in a possible conflict in Iraq.

Turkish officials in Washington expressed concern about the economic impact of an invasion and said they would seek economic aid from the US in meetings with President George W. Bush and other senior US officials. "Turkey suffered a lot from the Gulf crisis, and rumours of an invasion of Iraq are already affecting the Turkish economy, tourism and international trade . . .the figure the Americans have been talking about is not our figure," one diplomat said.

Philip Gordon, a defence analyst at Brookings, said: "Turkey has about $5bn in military debt to the US, and that will be on the table. Turkey is throwing big numbers around, of about $25bn in assistance, but that does not seem realistic. They will be wanting to address foreign military sales from the US, economic aid and IMF support. If the US wants ground troops in Turkey, they will have to pay a price for it."

Turkish military support is considered vital by the US administration and military analysts for any potential invasion of Iraq. However, last week when Paul Wolfowitz, deputy secretary of defence, was in Turkey, he did not receive wholehearted public endorsement for the level of co-operation the US could expect.

Loren Thompson, defence analyst at the Lexington Institute in Washington, said: "The single most important thing is unfettered US access to the Incirlik air base in south central Turkey.

"In addition they want Turkey to allow the use of their territory as a staging area for ground operations, most likely a small unit of about 4,000 personnel. The third most important thing is that the Turks show some constraint in how they deal with the Kurds on both sides of the border."

The previous Turkish administration had drawn up a plan to create a buffer zone within Iraq to keep refugees within Iraq's borders.
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/Sto

SO MUCH FOR THE AMERICAN ECONOMY EH GEORGE???

TRAITOR.

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"----Let us never give into conspiracy theories and other rumors that hide the truth and take the blame away from those who commited these cowardly acts...----"

G.W. BUSH

DOES THIS INCLUDE DONALD RUMSFELD?



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Anti-War Movement Gains momentum.

More U.S. cities pass resolution opposing the Bush regime's war in Iraq.


The anti-war movement is growing, increasing in tempo both in the US and around the world in the last several months. By the first week of December, 24 cities had passed resolutions against War in Iraq, ranging from Carrboro, North Carolina to Detroit to Oakland. On December 2, Ann Arbor became the twenty-third city in the United States to approve a resolution opposing war on Iraq. The City Council meeting was well attended by members of the Ann Arbor community, including activists, students, and residents. On December 9, Baltimore passed an anti-war resolution to become the twenty-fourth.

December 9 also marked the funeral of Philip Berrigan [ recent interview ], an awe-inspiring member of the country's resistance movement, who led draft card burnings in resistance to the Vietnam War, and participated in the anti-nuclear Plowshares actions. The service was held at St. Peter Claver parish in Baltimore that was attended by more than 500 people.

Anti-war actions are taking place on a daily basis somewhere in the United States. On Sunday, December 8, more than 1600 people gathered [ 1 ] at the Centenary United Methodist Church in St. Louis. People of all ages, representing many different groups, came together to express their opposition to Bush's War and their support for a just, responsible world in which government meets the needs of the people instead of manufacturing their consent for its policies.

In Washington state, over 1,300 people gathered at Seattle's Garfield High School on December 8 to participate in "A Day of Commitment to Stop the War," sponsored by the SNOW Coalition (Sound Nonviolent Opponents of War). Musical performances in the first half of the day were punctuated by speakers addressing the local effects of war on immigrant, low-income, spiritual, and minority communities. The same day, over 300 people marched for peace in Tacoma.

On Saturday, December 7, North Park in San Diego was host to a holiday parade and an annual Peace on Earth Holiday Bazaar. A group of peace activists marched in the parade, while the bazaar was the site of a host of socially responsible goods. The same day, approximately one hundred Bangor, Maine area residents gathered and marched to remember Pearl Harbor Day and speak out against a possible new war against Iraq. In Boise, Idaho, some 100 persons attended the December 7th Idaho Peace Fair, and enjoyed displays by fourteen community organizations as weekly peace protests continue in the city's downtown.

Also on Saturday, the Michigan Anti-War Organizers Conference was held at Wayne State University in Detroit. The conference was sponsored by the Student Movement for Justice (SMJ) at Wayne State and the Emergency Committee Against the War in Iraq. Over 125 people attended from all over the state. People from Flint, Traverse, Lansing and East Lansing, Ann Arbor, Grand Rapids as well as Detroit and Wayne State reported on lots of anti-war activities since October 26.

On Friday, December 6, nine activists disrupted the speech of Deputy Secretary of Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz during a lunchtime fundraiser he spoke at in San Francisco. The activists were protesting the looming new US war on Iraq. Wolfowitz is one of the main advocates and central planners of another war against Iraq. He is co-author of the "National Security Strategy of the USA," the Administration's doctrine of global domination.

Two activists, Saul Kanowitz and Anne Sadler, organizers with the International ANSWER Coalition unfurled a banner reading, "Stop the War on Iraq." They chanted, "Stop the war against Iraq, No Blood for Oil." Seven other people stood in silence, protesting Wolfowitz, wearing T-shirts with anti-war slogans. All nine were arrested and forced out of the auditorium. One hundred people protested [ 1 | 2 | video ] outside the Mark Hopkins Hotel in San Francisco where Wolfowitz spoke. All nine protesters were released without charges several hours later.

In Portland, Oregon, a noted science fiction author joined the weekly Friday night anti-war rally, and led a march to the offices of Representative Wu to deliver the Writers and Artists petition against the War on Iraq.

In Atlanta, Georgia Senator Zell Miller was revisited [ video ] by the Atlanta Five, a group of concerned citizens [ video ] who were recently arrested for staging a sit-in at his office in an effort to get a meeting with their senator and ask some unanswered questions about war plans against Iraq.

Thursday also saw the U.S. Treasury Department levy a $20,000 fine against Voices in the Wilderness for providing humanitarian supplies to Iraqis [ video ]. VITW held press conferences in Chicago and Washington DC confirming their humanitarian support of Iraqi civilians, and announced their continued plans to send relief to Iraq in violation of sanctions. A VITW activist from Portland, Oregon was fined $10,000 on the same day. Organizing against the sanctions has been prominent in Philadelphia, as well.

On Wednesday, December 4, an anti-war resolution was introduced into the Chicago City Council. It has garnered 24 co-sponsors, and will be the topic of public hearings in early January. Through the entire weekend of December 6-8, community, religious and anti-war groups held over 50 anti-war events and protests, throughout Chicago and its suburbs, including Evanston. On Dec. 1, Chicago's top Christian, Jewish and Muslim religious leaders issued a are joint letter to President Bush urging him to avoid war.

These various actions for peace have been conducted largely in the last week, accelerating the pace of the anti-war movement nationwide.

NY times report.

Here's the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/11/national/11PROT.html

And two more from today's: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts/AP-Celebrities-Iraq.html http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/11/business/11PRIU.html
27 Anti-War Cities (english)
Nobuo Hori 8:16am Thu Dec 12 '02
bunhiro@giga.ocn.ne.jp comment#222634

27 Anti-War Cities
Ann Arbor, MI http://www.ci.ann-arbor.mi.us/framed/f-index.htm
Detroit, MI http://www.ci.detroit.mi.us/
Traverse City, MI http://www.ci.traverse-city.mi.us/
Kalamazoo, MI http://www.ci.kalamazoo.mi.us/
Washington, DC http://www.washingtondc.gov/
Sebastopol, CA http://www.ci.sebastopol.ca.us/
Berkeley, CA http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/
San Francisco, CA http://www.ci.sf.ca.us/
Santa Cruz, CA http://www.ci.santa-cruz.ca.us/
Oakland, CA http://www.oaklandnet.com/
Santa Barbara, CA http://www.ci.santa-barbara.ca.us/
Arcata, CA http://www.arcatacityhall.org/
Ithaca, NY http://www.ci.ithaca.ny.us/
Danby, NY http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genInfo.php?locIndex=493
Syracuse, NY �� http://www.syracuse.ny.us/
New Haven, CT http://www.cityofnewhaven.com/
Takoma Park, MD http://www.cityoftakomapark.org/
Baltimore, MD�� http://www.ci.baltimore.md.us/
Carrboro, NC http://www.ci.carrboro.nc.us/
Haines Township, PA http://county.centreconnect.org/Township/HAINTWP.HTM
Aaronsburg, PA http://city.state-pa.us/Centre-County/Aaronsburg
Seattle, WA http://www.pan.ci.seattle.wa.us/
Santa Fe, NM http://www.ci.santa-fe.nm.us/sfweb/
Albuquerque, NM http://www.cabq.gov/
Madison, WI http://www.ci.madison.wi.us/index.html
Burlington, VT http://www.ci.burlington.vt.us/
Somerville,MA http://www.ci.somerville.ma.us/
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Resolution
Detroit http://michiganimc.org/newswire/display/714/index.php
Washington, DC http://www.dc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=37313&group=webcast
San Francisco �PDF� http://www.ci.sf.ca.us/bdsupvrs/resolutions02/r0688-02.pdf
Oakland �PDF� http://users.lmi.net/tchapman/lee.pdf
Santa Barbara http://www.nion-sb.org/resolution.htm
Berkeley �PDF� http://www.ci.berkeley.ca.us/citycouncil/2002citycouncil/packet/100802/2002-1 0-08%20Item%2012.pdf
Santa Cruz http://www.ci.santa-cruz.ca.us/cc/archives/02/9-24meeting/9-24rpt/iraq.htm
Arcata http://www.brianwillson.com/arcata_test.html
New Haven http://www.endthewar.org/frontps/resolutions/citycouncil.htm
Takoma Park http://www.internationalanswer.org/news/update/110402takomaparkiraq.html
Baltimore http://www.baltimorecitycouncil.com/la_agenda_20021028.HTM
Carrboro�PDF� http://www.ci.carrboro.nc.us/TownWide/PDFs/ResNo40_2002_03.pdf
Syracuse�doc� http://www.syracuse.ny.us/agendas/11-04-02CC.doc

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Thousands of protesters snarl Paris traffic
Last Updated Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:37:47

PARIS - Thousands of people took to the streets in Paris Saturday to voice their opposition to the possibility of war in Iraq.

Police said about 4,000 people marched through the city centre, starting at mid-afternoon.


A protester holds a placard during an anti-war demonstration in Paris on Saturday (AP PHOTO)

The placard-waving demonstrators, including children, wreaked havoc with downtown traffic as they made their way from Place de La Republique towards Place de La Nation.

About 40 different activist groups organized the march in Paris and in other major French cities.

Some of the protesters said war on Iraq would be motivated by economics and would lower the value of human life. Others denounced the United States for spreading what they called terrorist propaganda.

In Germany, about 100 people held a peaceful protest in front of the Rhein-Main U.S. Air Base in Frankfurt.

They marched near the base carrying banners which read, in German, "No war for profit."

* RELATED: Opposition starts talks on post-Saddam Iraq

In London, dozens of people demonstrated outside the conference centre where Iraqi opposition groups were meeting to discuss what sort of administration would take over if Saddam Hussein's regime were to be toppled, either by a U.S.-led invasion or an Iraqi uprising.

Members of the Hizb ut-Tahrir denounced what they called the pro-Western stance of the delegates inside the conference. They reject American plans for war.

The United States has threatened to invade Iraq if Hussein doesn't completely disarm the country.

Written by CBC News Online staff

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THE WARMONGER CHICKENHAWK DATABASE

Compleat Chickenhawk here:
http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html


AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK BUSH IS A PATRIOT...FIND THE TRUTH HERE......
http://www.awolbush.com/

COLIN POWELL'S OWN WORDS:

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed ... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units ... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal ..."

FUNNY HOW POWELL CONTAINS HIS "ANGER" SO WELL.

Chickenhawk Notes:

Definition

A chickenhawk is a term often applied to public persons - generally male - who (1) tend to advocate, or are fervent supporters of those who advocate, military solutions to political problems, and who have personally (2) declined to take advantage of a significant opportunity to serve in uniform during wartime.

Some individuals may qualify more for their political associations than for any demonstrated personal tendency towards bellicosity. Some women may be included for exceptional bellicosity.

There is another, less savory definition of the term chickenhawk. It is not relevant to this discussion; we intend no such associations to be drawn here.

This list is provisonal. The management of the Gazette is proud to have served the vital public function of assembling the best known list of American chickenhawks, but we confess - we declare and emphasize - that we have not the resources to tend to it properly. Therefore we declare it provisional: we acknowledge there may be faults - hell, we know there are.

Errors and Omissions

Anyone falsely characterized as a chickenhawk is particularly welcome to correct any errors. We encourage every interested American to feel free to nominate chickenhawks, or to fill in missing information. Nominations are solicited from all sources.

History

We assembled an earlier version of this list by merging two or three less complete lists. We then added more than a score of names ourselves. We posted the list to the Gazette's website in March, where it seemed to catch the public's interest. Twenty or more names were then added to create the list as you see it here.

June 24, 2002
Another Sort of Chickenhawk Altogether

We realized with a shudder today that with all the noise we've making about "chickenhawks" - who are in general a less-than inspiring lot - we've neglected to mention a self-described chickenhawk of an altogether different sort: Robert Mason.

Robert Mason was an Army helicopter pilot with the First Cavalry in Vietnam in 1965 and 1966. His best-selling memoir "Chickenhawk" will likely remain the definitive portrayal of the war as seen from the pilot's seat of a Huey.


In 1984, when Mason's "Chickenhawk" was on the New York Times best seller list, its author was in prison for trying to sail a boat full of marijuana into the country. How an ace Army helicopter pilot became a drug smuggler is revealed in Mason's second book, "Chickenhawk: Back in the World."

It will come as no surprise to Mason's fellow veterans that PTSD - Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - had something to do with the course of his life after the war. Mason's aptly-named wife Patience wrote a valuable book of her own, Recovering From the War: A Guide for all Veterans, Family Members, Friends, and Therapists, published by Viking in 1990.

The fact that the term "chickenhawk" applies to belligerent draft dodgers like Saxby Chambliss and Tom Delay, and to men like Robert Mason, is, as far as we can tell, simply further proof that if you follow something to its extreme, you may meet its opposite.

Monday, July 1, 2002

George W. Bush: Yeah, right. He was in uniform. Big deal. See http://www.awolbush.com

Bill Clinton: He may have launched a few cruise missiles to distract us from a dalliance with a girl half his age, but our judges believe he wasn't bellicose enough to make the cut. Your mileage may vary.

Tom Delay: "DeLay's excuse for having a yellow streak as wide as the Rio Grande down his back is truly imaginative, if you take a delight in the bizarre. The man who believes Dioxin is good for you (again, we are not making this up), claims that he volunteered for Vietnam, but all the spots were taken up by minorities, so he was not allowed to serve. Clearly all those years of exposure to toxic chemicals had some serious side effects on 'Ol Tom." - Esther and/or Jeff Clark

Sean Hannity: Too young for 'Nam, but anyone that bellicose could have horned in on Panama or Desert Storm somehow.

Paul Harvey: A complicated case. We're working on a dossier.

Trent Lott: "Dear Sir or Madam, Please be advised that Trent "Cheerleader" Lott is NOT a senator from Louisiana as you have mislabeled him but rather from the state of Mississippi. We have enough problems in Louisiana without someone thinking this toupee wearing, right wing fop is our Senator! - Please correct your entry and keep up the good work! - Rev. Kenneth M. Kafoed"

Ted Nugent: An amusing case. We're working on a dossier.

Richard Perle: We're working on a dossier.

Ronald Reagan: A complicated case. He remains listed because our judges believe his bellicosity outweighs his relatively painless service.

Pat Robertson: As we recall it, Pete McCloskey charged that Robertson's father got him posted to Japan shortly after his unit arrived in Korea. Robertson responded with a libel suit, which he later dropped. "[His own] libel suit [against fellow former Marine Pete McCloskey] turned out to be an embarrassment to Robertson. During depositions, Paul Brosnan, Jr., a retired university professor who served with Robertson in Korea, backed up [Congressman Pete] McCloskey's claim and went even further, asserting that the televangelist had consorted with prostitutes and had sexually harassed a Korean cleaning girl who worked in the barracks." --Rob Boston, The Most Dangerous Man in America, Prometheus Books, 1996.

Steven Spielberg: We read his films as ultimately adding to the glorification of war. Perhaps we're wrong. This nomination has been challenged, and is open to debate.

John Wayne: "Another notable Hollywood faker to consider is Marion Morrison. Born in 1907, he decided to jump past his competitors like Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda by using his married status as a reason to avoid volunteering for the cause. As John Wayne, a phony name for a phony man, he played a lot of war heroes, while he ran away from anything resembling patriotism, except the pose. - Ray Duray


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WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP STOP WORLD WAR III?

A WORD FROM OUR FELLOW CANADIAN BROTHERS...

Everyday Shoppers Can Stop Funding World War III
By Tommy-Usury: Free www.cyberclass.net/shopathome.htm

What Can You Do?

The average Canadian and American is wondering what s/he can do to avoid World War III and create Peace because s/he knows that it is an unwinable war. Clearly, the same money is financing both sides of World War III just as the same money from Bay Street (Canada) and Wall Street (United States of America) financed both sides of World War I and World War II and all of the wars during the 20th Century. It's time for an unprecedented action from we-the-people - early in this 21st Century. Visit this recently launched website: www.wethepeopleofcanada.com

More and more people are becoming fully aware that we are being prepared for World War III. Likewise, more and more people are becoming aware that World War III should be correctly called the "DUPE" War 'cause we are being 'duped' into a war about 'terrorism' BUT this war is really about "Drugs, Usury, Petroleum and Egos."

Afghanistan is the opium breadbasket of the 'usury' elite who are in charge of the ongoing program to distribute hard drugs to continue the dumbing down the North American youth that was started in the mid-20th Century. On another front, the 'usury' elite must destroy 'usuryfree' Islamic banking before they can impose their one world 'usury' bank. Imagine, trying to impose a one world 'usury' currency when 1.3 billion Muslims won't buy into such a scam! Wouldn't you try to destroy 'usuryfree' banking if your agenda was to impose a one world 'usury' currency to be managed by an electronic chip?

There's many stories behind the stories about the trillion dollar petroleum pipeline that the 'usury' elite want to install in Afghanistan and other countries in Asia, and there's so many stooges on the political world stage who let their egos rule their actions. Anyone who believes that World War III is only about terrorism is being 'duped' by the 'usury' elite and their carefully 'elected' political and media stooges, and anyone who believes that further violence of war will create peace is likewise being 'duped.'

The mainstream media would have us believe that there is little we can do to fight "terrorism" except to resign to getting a new ID card, and to make an effort to arrive earlier at the airport and pay more as a consumer for the new security designed to combat 'terrorism' and otherwise live life normally. Ultimately, if we want to end war, violence, terrorism and create 'peace and plenty' by 2020, we-the people will have to do it by withdrawing our support from the 'usury' elites' group of companies and from governments which are not listening to we-the-people. The ultimate solution lies in redirecting how we spend our money so that we are supporting local independent entrepreneurs, farmers, producers and retailers.

Like many other original thinkers, I am inviting fellow-Canadians and Americans to spend their money differently and thereby withdraw the ongoing funding that will be required to fight World War III for the next ten years - as suggested by George W. Bush. Spending our money differently, will have much more impact than how we vote in the next ten years. The 'usury' elite need our money to finance their hidden agenda for World War III. Stop spending your money with the "usury elites' group of companies!! It's time to stop giving our money to the few so that they can continue to be the 'usury' masters of the many.

The Pesticide Companies:

Jon Rappoport has suggested that we start with a boycott of the eight biggest pesticide companies as a protest against the way of life represented by these gigantic multinational corporations which continue to extend their destructive power to exert control over the entire planet. Full details at this URL: http://home.earthlink.net/~alto/boycott.html

The eight companies from the 'usury' elites' group of pesticides' companies to be boycotted are:

1. Dow
2. Du Pont
3. Monsanto
4. Imperial Chemical Industries
5. Novartis
6. Rhone
7. Poulenc
8. Bayer Hoechst

The Agricultural, Food & Beverage Companies:

Here are the ten largest companies (for the year 2000) from the 'usury' elites' group of agricultural, food and beverage companies which are likewise worthy of boycotting for various reasons. One reason for spending less and less money on products made by these companies which are headed by the World Trade Organization (WTO) is to protest their part in coercing farmers to engage in the GMO industry and thereby grow crops cheaply and market them globally. Such profit-oriented activity profits the 'usury' elites' group of companies and damages both animals and humans.
1. Philip Morris Companies Inc.
2. ConAgra
3. PepsiCo
4. Cargill
5. Coca Cola
6. Mars Inc.
7. Archer Daniels Midland Co.
8. IBP Inc
9. .Anheuser-Busch Cos. Inc.
10. Sara Lee Corp.

Understand that these 10 major corporations would not be so positioned if they were not significant players in the game of 'usury' finance. Phillip Morris Companies Inc. deserve to be boycotted for their underhanded manner of mixing chemicals with tobacco to cause addiction to smokers. While ConAgra brags about being North America's leading food service manufacturer and the second largest food retailer, it fails to state that most of its numerous names brands of popular food are devoid of nutrition. PepsiCo and Coca Cola earn their right to be boycotted for flaunting sugar and aspartame - two deadly poisons. Mars Inc. earns its privilege to be boycotted for bragging of their markets in 105 countries in five continents. No company gets such exposure in our system of 'usury' economics unless they are significant team players. Keep in mind also that there is a definite lack of nutrition in their popular products - much the same as ConAgra's products.

For IBP Inc., the world's largest producer of fresh beef, pork and related allied products the boycott will occur naturally and without great effort as more and more people choose vegetarianism and those who do consume meats will choose to purchase from local family farms rather then factory farms. Sara Lee Corp's claim to holding a leading position in the distribution of bath and shower products containing sodium laurel sulfate along with foods and beverages devoid of nutrition as well as insecticides secures its right to be boycotted. Anheuser-Busch Cos. Inc.saves itself somewhat by stating that their main line of products are brewed to be used responsible by adults but their involvement in turf farming and the 'usury' real estate development qualifies them for a minor boycott.

According to Agribusiness Examiner 1998, Cargill and Archer Daniels Midland are the two largest grain distribution companies which control 80% of the world's grain. The WTO in cahoots with these corporations often assess food safety standards as trade barriers and overrule them. These companies import and export food which could be grown locally and thereby the increased shipping contributes to climate pollution. Small to medium-sized farmers are at the mercy of these giant companies and often have to accept low prices for produce or face losing their respective markets. Many of these companies are involved in biotechnology and they seek to control the seed and chemical markets by genetically modified crops that are specifically designed to thrive with their selected brands of herbicides and/or pesticides. The Food Commission of Great Britain 1999 reports that in England, fruit is an average of 30% more expensive in supermarkets than in local street markets. Let's be loyal to locals and shop in street markets and/or in friends' and neighbours' homes.

The Pharmaceutical Companies (Canada):

The 10 major players of the 'usury' elites' group of companies playing in the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry (in Canada) are: (Ranked in annual sales in billions of dollars).

In 2001, Canadians spend an estimated $15 billion for legalized drugs. This staggering statistic which reveals a population addicted to drugs - legalized by our Canadian government - indicates that every person in Canada filled about 10 prescriptions since almost 300 million prescriptions were dispensed last year.

Company Millions in Annual Sales (in Canada)

1. Pfizer $891
2. GlaxosmithKline $758
3. Merck Frosst $677
4. AstraZeneca $654
5. Johnson & Johnson $503
6. Apotex $457
7. Bristol-Myers Squibb $408
8. Pharmacia $386
9. Novartis $378
10. Aventis Pharma Inc. $320

The Oil and Gas Companies:

The 11 major players of the 'usury' elites' group of companies playing in the multi-trillion dollar oil and gas industry are: (Ranked in annual sales in billions of dollars)

In an article "Pick Your Poison" on page 54 of the September/October 2001 issue of Sierra Magazine identifies 'The Dirty Four' oil companies which are seeking to drill in the Arctic Natural Wildlife Refuge. (BP, ExxonMobil, Chevron, & Phillips Petroleum) These four and the other seven oil companies listed below have questionable environmental and human rights records and all have earned the right to be boycotted by discerning consumers who know that we must develop alternative sources of energy. These companies have been intentionally thwarting the progress of alternative energy.

Company Billions in Annual Sales

1. ExxonMobil $233
2. Royal Dutch/Shell $149
3. BP $148
4. Chevron $ 52
5. Texaco $ 51
6. Conoco $ 39
7. Tosco (76/CicleK) $ 25
8. CITGO $ 22
9. Phillips Petroleum $ 21
10. Shamrock $ 17
11. Sunoco $ 14

If the 'usury' elites' group of oil companies had not interfered with 'energy progress' we'd be approaching a perfect world where we'd all be driving electric vehicles or vehicles powered by 'free energy.' Details at this URL: www.himacresearch.com

Until water fuel cells and/or free energy is widely available we are stuck relying on fossil fuels to power our combustion engines. Therefore, we as consumers must purchase gasoline or diesel fuel if we want or need to travel in a vehicle. It is prudent to purchase from a community service station served by a local distributor BUT we must realize that they get their supply of fuel from one of the oil companies listed above. There is something we can do. We can reduce our consumption of the poison commonly called gasoline more than 20% by installing (a) a condensator www.cyberclass.net/condensator.htm and (b) magnets.

Installing these gadgets on our combustion engines will ensure that we are giving less money to the 'usury' elites' group of oil companies who control the multi-trillion dollar oil and gas industry whose products and by-products are negatively affecting our environment at every stage - from drilling to tanker, to refinery, to gas station, to combustion in the engines of our vehicles which disperses harmful pollutants. It is significant to understand that petroleum is harmless when its still lying deep beneath the surface of the earth.

What can we do? By using the condensator and magnets and other devices to reduce our consumption of gasoline and we can use some of the money that we will not be spending on gasoline to aid Bruce McBurney and other inventors who are telling us that we can build

(1) gasoline carburetors which will give 100 miles per gallon and

(2) even better, water fuel cells whereby our vehicles can be powered by water.

In the meantime, buy your condensator and tell your friends about how they can benefit from installing one on each of their vehicles and keep looking for creative ways to give less and less money to the 'usury' elites' group of oil companies and then share what you learn with participants within The Third Market.

The Mc. Companies:

The McDonalds Corporation and the McDonnell-Douglas Corporation are two more giant corporations from the 'usury' elites' group of companies which have earned the right to be boycotted. McDonald's which has replaced Coca Cola as the world's most famous brand brags of 15,000 restaurants in 117 countries but they don't brag about the low quality of fast food that they serve. The McDonnell-Douglas Corporation is a leading player in America's biggest business - the military - and manufactures of the F-4 Phantom, the A-4 Skyhawk, the F-15 Eagle, and the F-18 Hornet. Without a doubt these two All-American/Illuminati corporations are devious and dangerous to health and wealth. Read more at this URL: www.cyberclass.net/mcdonald&mcdonnell.htm

Consider adding Boeing and GM to our list of companies to boycott. These corporations from the 'usury' elites' group of travel and transportation companies have recently established manufacturing facilities in China - where they can engage cheap third world labour.

Jon Rappoport's Suggestions:

Jon Rappoport suggests that those who support any boycott take the following actions:

1. stop buying these corporations' products;
2. don't buy their stock on whatever exchanges they're traded;
3. demand that others including institutions sell their stock in these companies;
4. don't work for these corporations;
5. find a way to personally pass on the word.

Jon Rappoport makes it clear that there is one overriding reason for going after the 'usury' elites' group,of companies. The pesticide group of companies are all forwarding genetic projects to engineer food seeds so that our food supply in the fields will accept much higher doses of herbicides without curling up and dying. This will drench both the soil and our bodies with corporate toxic chemicals and improve their profit statements.

The majority of the above-listed 'usury' elites' group of companies are up to their eyeballs in poisons. Poisons, you might say, are their life. These corporations and others like them stand for control of the planet, as around us the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Consider carefully that there is no middle class in South America and it's clear that the 'usury' elites' group of companies have an agenda to eradicate the middle class in North America as they prepare to usher in their New World Order. These eight, huge, greedy multinationals, along with countless others, of course cajole with governments, thereby availing themselves of important political connections, intelligence agencies and military links.

What Else Can You Boycott?

It has been suggested that we add banks, and giant retailers and big box stores as well as those churches which refuse to address the immorality of 'usury,' to Jon Rappoport's initial list of the 'usury' elites' group of companies. I have closed my commercial bank accounts in favour of keeping an account with The Ottawa-Carleton Credit Union. I am networking with a company which offers a 'usuryfree' debit card. Details at this URL: www.cyberclass.net/empowerism.htm

Readers are invited to suggest other companies from the 'usury' elites' group of companies that qualify be boycotted. For more reasons why read what Jello Biafra has to say to the youth at the FTAA demonstrations in Quebec City in April 2001. www.cyberclass.net/jello.htm

Bill Ellis's Suggestions:

Bill Ellis, tranet@rangeley.org suggests other actions such as the continued build up of local co-operative economic cells like food co-ops, Fair Trade, LETSystems whereby people buy and sell with a 'usury-free' time currency, community supported
agriculture, CoHousing, EcoVillages, Credit Unions, local scrips, homeschooling, and other social innovations that empower people at the grass roots and promote local community solidarity. Bill Ellis also suggests, increased nonviolent participation in street demonstrations and activism in positive movements whereby we clearly envision the world we want to create. He also suggests a 'third party coalition' that promotes a better local and global world.

Jos Bov's Strategy:

Jos Bov and the French Farmers' Confederation http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0813-01.htm and http://www.gristmagazine.com/grist/citizen/citizen071700.stm commanded the world's attention when the United States launched a trade war against France for daring to ban hormone-laced beef. Naomi Klein explains: "They did it by "strategically dismantling" a McDonald's. Nike, ExxonMobil, Monsanto, Shell, Chevron, Pfizer, Sodexho Marriott, Kellogg's, Starbucks, The Gap, Rio Tinto, British Petroleum, General Electric, Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Citigroup, Taco Bell--all have found their gleaming brands used to shine light on everything from bovine growth hormone in milk to human rights in the Niger Delta; from labor abuses of Mexican tomato farmworkers in Florida to war-financing of oil pipelines in Chad and Cameroon; from global warming to sweatshops." More details at this URL: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20011022&s=klein Does Jos Bov's list look like a list of companies from the 'usury' elites' group of companies?

Fundraising Support - Should You Change?

During the latter half of the 20th Century, the electronic and print media have skillfully been managing repetitive fundraising campaigns by inducing us with guilt so that we generously donate multiple millions of dollars to selected research causes annually. The federal government has been taking an active role in these fundraising scams by allowing charitable donations to registered charities to be used as income tax deductions for individuals and businesses. Over the years, the federal government has reduced the allowable donation to a point where a charitable donation now has little value as an income tax deduction. BUT fundraising continues to expand.

Much of the ongoing fundraising is cleverly claimed by numerous companies from the 'usury' elites' group of companies from the various industries. These companies claim to be researching (a) cures to diseases using chemical and (b) environmental issues and other noble causes. Since research becomes a tax write off for these giant corporations, they are able to avoid paying taxes while small independent inventors and researchers in the fields of alternative health, energy and economics are denied similar funding. (Some may be choosing to avoid becoming a part of the conventional fundraising scams.)

In spite of a definite lack of funding, alternative health advocates are coming forth with natural health and wellness products and/or services which are healing multiple millions of people from various forms of sickness and disease. It is time to give less of your money to conventional fundraising drives and give more to inventors of products and/or services in the areas of alternative health, energy and economics.

The Third Market will compile a list of individuals and organizations (with or without registered charitable status) which are more worthy of receiving financial support than the 'usury' elites' group of companies. These individuals and organizations will definitely be grateful for your support.

The Third Market:

My own positive action is to create a database for The Third Market so that more and more people can consciously choose to shop from The Third Market thereby directly and/or indirectly supporting local community entrepreneurs and/or Fair Markets from The Third World. More details at this URL: www.cyberclass.net/thirdmarket.htm & www.cyberclass.net/servingothers.htm

Try shopping from (1) small to medium-sized community businesses which as privately owned and not listed on any stock market (2) home-based enterprises owned by family members, friends and/or neighbours - many of which are active in the SDI (Self Directed Income) industry. Why? Because by spending your money with the 'usury' elites' group of companies, - either as a stockholder or because it's convenient or because they offer you pennies of 'cost savings' - you are directly or indirectly financing World War III and helping to eradicate the middle class in North America.

The 'usury' elites' group of companies are able to finance their clandestine war activities by extracting 'usury' and 'taxes' from we-the-people. Every time a fellow-Canadian or American buys stock or a product or a service from the 'usury' elites' group of companies they are supporting starvation in the third world, ruthless violence, senseless war and ultimate murder. Instead of buying stock and thereby investing with one or more companies from the 'usury' elites' group of companies why not invest your money privately with an wanna-be entrepreneur within your family of your circle of friends and acquaintances?

'Re-educate' yourselves and take action knowing that spending your money directly with the 'usury' elites' group of companies hurts yourself and every other person in North America and in the Third World. By continuing to shop with the 'usury' elites' group of companies, you are continuing to feed a demand that feeds a supply that supports their (the 'usury' elites' group of companies) World War III as an essential part of their agenda to usher in their New World Order.

Do your part to effect change NOW, shop differently so that you are spending less and less money directly with the 'usury' elites' group of companies and more and more within The Third Market. www.cyberclass.net/thirdmarket.htm
& www.cyberclass.net/thirdmarketlist.htm

Cocooning and/or Burrowing:

Faith Popcorn defines 'cocooning' as: "The need to protect oneself from the harsh, unpredictable realities of the outside world." More details at this URL: www.faithpopcorn.com/trends/cocooning.htm

Tommy-Usury: Free defines 'burrowing' as Not only "The need to protect oneself from the harsh, unpredictable realities of the outside world" but also "The need to consciously change ones shopping habits so that one pays less and less money to their 'Bay Street' and more and more money to 'Our Pay' Street." Burrowing is much deeper than 'cocooning'.....

'Burrowers' are definitely aware of the absolute necessity to abolish the design flaw of 'usury' from the orthodox economic system whereas 'cocooners' are not likely to know the truth about the design flaw of 'usury.' 'Burrowers' definitely do not borrow money and agree to pay 'usury.' Burrowers support The UsuryFree Resolution www.cyberclass.net/resolution.htm

Background details about various issues related to orthodox and alternative economics are posted at The Economics Cyberclassroom: www.cyberclass.net/economics.htm

Burrowers are commonly refer to themselves as 'Warriors of One' because (1) they know the power lies in one, (2) they are proud to be 'one percenters' - one percent of the population are aware of the 'truth' about 'usury' - and (3) they understand the importance of networking the information from one person to the other ...

I AM A WARRIOR OF ONE.

"Even though there are millions of other "Cocooners for Security" and "Warriors of Freedom" just like me, I am my own force as a 'burrower' because I go deeper in search of 'universal truth.' With modern technology, with 're-education', with local and global support, who I am is becoming better than who I was. And Ill be the first to tell you, the might and force of 'universal truth' doesnt lie in numbers. It lies in me. I am A Warrior of One and a Burrower for Truth. And you can see my strength by my willingness to continue to pursue 'universal truth' as everyday I learn how little I know. I am also willing to change how I spend my money. As a 'burrower' who doubles as a 'Warrior of One' I dig down deep and shop from The Third Market." www.cyberclass.net/thirdmarket.htm

Learn how you too can become a 'Warrior of One' and a 'Burrower For Truth' by making conscious decisions to spend your money differently. More details at this URL: www.cyberclass.net/cocoon&burrow.htm

The Cyberclass Network, P.O. Box 9333, Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3V1 www.cyberclass.net
The UsuryFree Network, P.O. Box 9333, Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3V1 (coming soon)
The Third Market, P.O. Box 9333, Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3V1 (coming soon)

Tel: 1.613.746.5387 Fax: 1.613.746.5387 Email: tom@cyberclass.net

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A letter to the Global elite.... (Fiction)

GREETINGS.....

THIS IS THE SECRATARY OF WAR AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF THE UNITED STATES.....WE HAVE A PROBLEM.....THE COMPANIES WANT SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THIS SLUGGISH WORLD ECONOMIC SITUATION...

PROFITS HAVE BEEN RUNNING A LITTLE THIN LATELY AND...WE NEED TO STIMULATE SOME GROWTH....NOW, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE AN ALARMINGLY HIGH NUMBER OF YOUNG PEOPLE ROAMING AROUND IN OUR COUNTRIES WITH NOTHING TO DO BUT STIR UP TROUBLE FOR THE POLICE AND DAMAGE PRIVATE PROPERTY.IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY'LL EVER GET A JOB....IT'S ABOUT TIME WE DID SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE WITH THESE PEOPLE.WE'VE GOT MILLIONS OF EM' HERE TOO....THEY'RE CRAWLING ALL OVER....THE COMPANIES THINK IT'S TIME WE ALL SIT DOWN, HAVE A SERIOUS GET-TOGETHER AND START ANOTHER WAR.....

THE PREZIdENT...? HE LOVES THE IDEA...ALL THOSE MISSLES STREAMING OVERHEAD TO-AND- FRO...NAPALM....PEOPLE RUNNIN' DOWN THE ROAD, SKIN ON FIRE...THE SOVIETS SEEM UP FOR IT..THE KREMLIN'S BEEN ITCHING FOR THE REAL THING FOR YEARS..HELL, AFGANISTAN IS NO FUN AFTERALL.

SO WHATDYA' SAY...? WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO WIN THIS WAR. WE JUST WANT TO CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THIS====EXESS POPULATION==== AND LIQUIDATE SOME OLD PRODUCT....NOW LOOK..JUST START UP A DRAFT, DRAFT AS MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE AS YOU CAN, GIVE EM' ABOUT AN HOUR OR TWO TO LEARN HOW TO USE AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE AND SEND THEM ON THEIR WAY...IRAQ...IRAN...NORTH KOREA? HOW ABOUT BACK TO MOGADISHU OR BETTER YET TURKMENISTAN...WE NEED THAT OIL..


WE'LL JUST COOK UP A GOOD, JUICY TERRORIST AL-QAIDA THREAT STORY IN THE PRESS. NOW JUST THINK FOR A MINUTE...WE CAN MAKE THIS WAR SO BIG...SO BIG THAT THE MORE WE KILL IN THIS WAR THE MORE THE ECONOMY WILL PROSPER. WE'LL CALL UP EVERY LAST LOAFER ON UNEMPLOYMENT AND WELFARE AND WIPE THEM RIGHT OFF YOUR COMPUTER ROLLS.....

NOW DONT WORRY ABOUT THOSE DEMONSTRATORS...

JUST PUMP UP YOUR DRUG SUPPLY. SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE HOOKED THEMSELVES ON TELEVISION, AFGAN HEROIN AND COLUMBIAN COCAINE..IT'S JUST LIKE VIETNAM....WE HAD EVERYBODY SO BUSY WITH LSD THEY NEVER GOT TOO STRONG...KEPT THE WAR FUNCTIONING JUST FINE FOR YEARS.

IT'S EASY....WE'VE GOT OUR COLLEGE KIDS RIGHT NOW SO INTERESTED IN PLAYSTATIONS, EXTACSY,AND MTV THEY WOUDN'T CARE IF WE STARTED MANUFACTURING GERM BOMBS AGAIN. YOU PUT A NUCLEAR STOCKPILE IN THEIR BACKYARD AND THEY WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE..SO HOW BOUT IT?

LOOK....WAR IS MONEY. THE ARMS MANUFACTURERS TELL ME UNLESS WE GET OUR WEAPONS PLANTS UP TO FULL PRODUCTION THE WHOLE ECONOMY IS GOING TO COLLAPSE..THE REST OF THE WORLD IS IN THE SAME BOAT...WE ALL AGREE THE TIME HAS COME FOR THE BIG ONE..SO WHAT DO YA SAY??????

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THAT'S EXELLENT...WE KNEW YOU'D AGREE.....THE COMPANIES WILL BE VERY PLEASED.

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QUOTE OF THE MONTH.......

---"And right now the United States is making war, right in front of our noses, in more than a dozen countries, and on the wrong side of honor and justice - against the rights of the people - in every single case. Land of the free and the home of the brave? Shit! Land of the duped and home of the chickenshit chickenhawks!------"

LOL!

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HUNDREDS OF SAILORS GETTING SICK ON THE USS THEODORE ROOSEVELT.

GEE...I DON't SEE A RELATION TO "VACCINATIONS" DO YOU?

WASHINGTON (CNN)DEC 20, 2002 -- Hundreds of sailors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt have caught the flu as the virus hit the aircraft carrier during exercises in the Atlantic, U.S. Navy officials said.

When the virus peaked about four days ago, it affected at least 300 of the more than 5,000 crew members stationed aboard the ship.

Navy officials said they were initially puzzled as to the cause of the widespread sickness, but the answer came after blood samples were flown for testing at the U.S. naval base in Norfolk, Virginia.

The samples showed the crew had an intestinal flu. At no time was the ship quarantined, Navy officials said.

Medical teams aboard the carrier treated the cases with the usual rest and plenty of fluids, and those not afflicted were told to wash their hands to prevent spreading the outbreak.

Officials said that the outbreak seems to be under control and that many of the stricken sailors are back at work.

The spreading of viruses aboard ships is common because of the close quarters the sailors keep, though it is not known why this outbreak was so widespread, a Navy official said.

After last year's terrorist attacks, the USS Theodore Roosevelt was the first carrier sent to the Arabian Sea.

It will be the Roosevelt's turn once again when the ship picks up a tour of duty from either the USS Truman or the USS Constellation. Those two carrier groups were recently deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom and the possible war with Iraq.

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http://www.awolbush.com/


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CFR/NWO SWINE Says we need to convince the American people that killing thousands if not millions of Iraqis is okay.

Straight from the globalists mouth....
http://www.cfr.org/publication.php?id=5326


U.S. Public Is Unconvinced on Need to Wage War Against Iraq, Says Council on Foreign Relations President Les Gelb

Les Gelb, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, says that he is surprised by the degree of opposition in the United States to an invasion of Iraq. On a recent speaking tour, Gelb says 80 to 90 percent of audience members were against an invasion, which he says is likely by March unless Saddam Hussein is first overthrown through a coup. To get the public on its side, Gelb said it was imperative for the Bush administration to provide "a smoking gun" - conclusive evidence - that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. On other matters, Gelb, a former high State Department official in the Carter administration, says that he is skeptical that progress toward a Middle East peace can be achieved in the next year or two.

The interview with Bernard Gwertzman, consulting editor for cfr.org, took place on December 19, 2002.
Other Interviews

Q. As the administration gears up for a probable war in Iraq, has it sold its case to the American public well enough?

A. I don't think so. I have been around the country speaking in six different cities in the last few weeks. In those meetings, I argued in favor of the administration's position. I said I thought Saddam represents a very serious national security threat that we had better deal with now rather than later. If we enter Iraq and make it a better and safer place, it will also immeasurably improve our position in the Muslim world. As I have made this case in all these different cities, I have encountered enormous opposition to my terribly persuasive arguments (laughs).

This isn't an exaggeration. Upwards of 80 to 90 percent of the audiences disagree.

Q. Why is that?

A. They disagree with the administration's policy and my own position on several grounds. First, some believe the administration simply has not made the case that Saddam is a serious threat. They want that "smoking gun" revealed. It has not been revealed.

Q. By "smoking gun," you mean pictures of nuclear facilities that make weapons, for instance?

A. Something that everyone would recognize as concrete proof that Saddam has chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons. Not just allegations, but the kind of proof that most nations in the world would accept as true.

Q. The other reasons?

A. The second reason is that a lot of people worry about "the day after" - what happens after Saddam is gone. Will it set off a blood lust in Iraq? Will it set off terrorism against the United States? Are we ready to deal with it? Most people feel they have heard nothing from the administration to give them confidence that we're prepared to deal with the aftermath of war.

The third area of concern is dealing with the consequences of war here in the United States. Many of these people feel we are going to be increasingly at risk to terrorist attacks if we go after Iraq; that our cities and borders are unprepared for this, that the administration and Congress have done far too little in this last year to get us ready to deal with chemical, biological, or a dirty nuclear bomb attack.

Q. What would be your prescription to get people in a different frame of mind?

A. I think President Bush has got to produce more evidence of Iraqi cheating and Iraq's threats to the United States than he has. It is not sufficient to take the documents that the Iraqis have given us and say the Iraqis have not told us enough about the disposition of the weapons of mass destruction that we knew they had in the 1990s. And it isn't sufficient to say that the Iraqis haven't proved to us with these documents that these weapons have been destroyed. These allegations are not enough to convince a lot of these Americans who want to be convinced.

Q. And the same with foreign countries?

A. I think the task of persuasion is even more difficult abroad. We see leaders from abroad coming to the Council all the time, and they are even more skeptical about using military force against Iraq.

It's not only my own impressions from speaking around the country. I have spoken to a number of congressional staffers and told them the same story I told you. They said to me that when their bosses - the senators and congressmen - return from their districts, they tell pretty much the same story.

Q. This is bizarre. Everyone hates Saddam Hussein, but people are uncertain about trying to oust him.

A. The question is why Saddam Hussein? Not Iran? Not North Korea, which in terms of weapons of mass destruction represents more of a clear and present danger than Saddam does.

Q. Do you think there will be a U.S.-led invasion of Iraq by the spring?

A. Unless all this pressure we are putting on Saddam results in Iraqis overthrowing him in the next six to eight weeks, the chances are very, very high the U.S. will be at war with Iraq by March.

Q. On our own?

A. I don't think we will be on our own. I think in the end we will have Britain with us, Qatar, probably Kuwait, and maybe even Turkey. These are the essential countries to carry out military operations.

Q. The fact that the public may not be enthusiastic won't play a big role?

A. It won't play a big role in whether or not to go to war. It will play a big role if the war is not won quickly and decisively. A quick, decisive win will convince people that Bush made the right gamble. But if it ends up with great bloodshed in Iraq, Iraqis being killed by each other, Americans being killed by chemical and biological weapons, terrorist attacks here in the United States, Bush will have gambled and lost the presidency.

Q. Switching for a minute away from Iraq to South Korea. Do you think the election of Roh Moo Hyun causes a problem for the United States? He won on a platform of disassociating himself from the United States.

A. Roh has taken an ambiguous position. One day he seemed to say the South Koreans shouldn't follow the U.S. blindly into war against the North; the next day he said he was misunderstood. In any event, the kinds of things Roh has been saying about questioning the relationship with the United States and U.S. policies toward North Korea go way beyond the criticisms any South Korean leader has uttered in the past.

Q. Is the Bush administration making a mistake in not being willing to sit down at a diplomatic table with North Korea?

A. I always believe we ought to be able to sit down and talk. At the same time, I agree with President Bush that we have to be very tough with the North Koreans. They flat out violated their 1994 agreement with us about not going forward with their nuclear program, and we cannot ignore that. They have got to take us seriously. So we have to be tough with them. I would say though, be tough and talk. They are not mutually exclusive.

SO WHY DON'T YOU GET ON A C-130 AND DROP YOUR ELITIST @$$ RIGHT OVER BAGHDAD AND FIGHT YOUR RESOURCE WAR YOURSELF SLIMEBALL!!!!!?

LEAVE THE REAL PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD OUT OF IT.

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BUSH TURNS HIS BACK ON VETERANS......


Frustrated veterans accuse Bush of breaking promise

By Wayne Washington, Globe Staff, 12/22/2002

WASHINGTON - The leaders of America's most prominent veterans organizations say that President Bush is failing to honor past commitments to military men and women even as he prepares to send a new generation of soldiers and sailors into combat.

The administration's support for rescinding lifetime health benefits for World War II and Korean War veterans and continuing problems at veterans hospitals stand as proof, veteran leaders say, that America is more than willing to lean on its soldiers during times of war but tolerates them serving as political props in peacetime.

Coming after President Clinton, who avoided service in Vietnam and had a strained relationship with the military, veterans leaders say they had high expectations for Bush, who served in the National Guard and whose father was a fighter pilot during World War Two.

''I'm terribly frustrated and extremely angry,'' said retired Air Force Colonel George ''Bud'' Day, a Republican who won the Medal of Honor and was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam with Senator John McCain of Arizona.

Day said Bush is violating his oft-repeated campaign pledge to veterans: ''A promise made is a promise kept.''

''Obviously, he didn't know what that meant or he's too preoccupied to see that his word is kept,'' Day said.

Many veterans are particularly galled that the Bush administration has not backed away from a 1995 decision to rescind a promise of free lifetime health care benefits for soldiers, who from 1941 to 1956 had been told that if they signed up and served 20 years they and their dependents would get free care. The government stopped honoring that pledge in 1995, and many veterans 65 and older have been forced to pay for benefits through Medicare, which now costs about $60 a month and pays for 80 percent of medical care after a $100 deductible has been paid.

Day has represented a group of veterans hoping to get the free health care restored, but the US Court of Appeals in Washington ruled last month that the recruiters who promised the free care did not have the standing to do so.

Officials from Disabled American Veterans, the American Legion, and the Veterans of Foreign Wars protested the decision.

The issue could become a factor in the 2004 presidential race because Day said he will ask the Supreme Court to hear the case. Because of the court's schedule, the case might not be heard until late 2003 or early 2004 - if at all.

The Justice Department refused to make the attorneys handling the case available for an interview, and Justice spokesman Charles Miller declined to comment.

Deputy White House spokesman Scott McClellan would not respond to criticism of the Bush administration's record on veterans benefits or explain why the administration has supported the 1995 decision.

''President Bush has had a chance to rectify this, and he hasn't done it,'' said Ronald F. Conley, national commander of the American Legion. ''Before we spend one dime rebuilding Afghanistan and rebuilding Iraq after we bomb it to smithereens, we ought to take care of our veterans.''

Massachusetts Senator John F. Kerry, a decorated Vietnam War veteran who is considering a White House run in 2004, questioned the 1995 decision, the current administration's defense of it, and the November ruling.

''It is extraordinary to me that you give your entire career in defense of this country and then have to go to court to make the government keep their promise,'' Kerry said. ''What's the message we're sending to our troops around the world today and those prepared to fight in Iraq? The message seems to be, `Do your duty to country but your country won't fulfill its duty to you when you return home.'''

Hoping to get the president to disavow the 1995 decision on veterans health care, Day said he used a Medal of Honor reception in June to ask Bush about it personally.

''I said to him, `Mr. President, I'm Colonel Bud Day. You know your campaign [promise], a promise made is a promise kept, is being broken.' His eyes just glazed over,'' Day said. ''He really had no idea what I was talking about.''

With his wife fuming at her husband's directness with the president, Day said he explained the circumstances of the case. Lawyers from the current Justice Department have defended the '95 decision in court, so Day was hoping Bush would withdraw support for the case. Instead, Day said the president told him, ''`Colonel, you really need to talk to [Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony] Principi.'''

After pushing more with the VA, Day said he ''realized this was a dry hole.''

Veterans have experienced such disappointment before. Rhetorical support for veterans has been a staple of political discourse throughout the country's history, but veterans have long struggled to get promised benefits.

After fighting with poor weapons, equipment, and uniforms to win the Revolutionary War, only 3,000 American servicemen received pensions. Veterans of the Spanish-American War, disgusted with the lack of care available to them after their service, founded the VFW in 1899.

But benefits and care for veterans was still slim by the time World War I ended. Veterans of that war had seen their savings wiped out in the stock market crash of 1929 and pushed for the early distribution of monetary bonuses Congress had authorized. They set up tents and huts in Washington to make their point to Congress but were forcefully evicted from the area by Major General Douglas MacArthur in 1932.

The GI Bill of Rights educated and housed a generation of soldiers in the 1940s and 1950s. Free lifetime medical care was another benefit for two decades of service.

Now, that free care has been ended. Veterans can still be cared for at VA medical facilities, but the wait for non-emergency treatment is long. Citing a report indicating that more than 300,000 veterans are waiting for primary care appointments at VA facilities, the American Legion is launching a national campaign to alert federal legislators to the problem. The American Legion is sending out booklets on the problem to its 15,000 posts and collecting personal stories of ''backlogged'' veterans to tell Congress early next year.

VA spokesman Phil Budahn said the agency does not try to defend the delays veterans experience in getting care. ''There's enormous frustration from the secretary's office all the way down,'' Budahn said. ''We just don't have the staff to see them as quickly as we would like. We're fighting for the best appropriations we can get.''

Togo West Jr., secretary of Veterans Affairs from 1998 to 2000, said the VA often struggles to keep up with costs because health care is increasingly expensive and the agency's clientele is older and sicker than the general population.

''We don't ever get to do as much as we want for veterans,'' West said.

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