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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 12-25-2002 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ORWELL'S 1984 IN 2003?


OTTAWA (CP) - Nesreen Melek weeps when she talks about the anger, fear and heartbreak of her life in Canada since Sept. 11, 2001. "I thought that in Canada people would treat me as an equal," said Melek, an employment counsellor with the Canadian Arab Federation. "This was my imagination. I am not treated as an equal. There is something wrong in the system. I am labelled as a Muslim. I am labelled as an Arab." The last insult came a few weeks ago when Melek, who arrived in Canada from Iraq 13 years ago, took a bus to Buffalo to visit a friend.

She brought proof of her Canadian citizenship but, still, U.S. Customs detained her. The officer asked her where she was born. When she told him Iraq, he wanted to know where in Iraq. Baghdad.

Then, Melek says, the questions got bizarre.

If the regime were to change tomorrow, would she go back to Baghdad?

No.

What did she do in Baghdad?

University professor, zoology and microbiology.

It went on for half an hour.

"It was humiliating," said Melek, 51. "There is no difference between me and anybody else who crosses the border."

Her 21-year-old son, Bany, has been confronting his own humiliations.

Sitting on a park bench with a friend in Toronto after a soccer game one evening, he was approached by a police officer and asked to identify himself.

After he mentioned his Muslim name, the officer questioned him for 30 minutes - where was he born, what was he doing there.

What has happened since 19 terrorists turned four airplanes into suicide missiles, bringing down New York's World Trade Centre and part of the Pentagon? Will it become 1984 in 2003?

Just a month after the terrorist attacks, Osama bin Laden predicted "freedom and human rights in America are doomed.

"The U.S. government will lead the American people - and the West in general - into an unbearable hell and a choking life."

Canada has embraced many security measures in the past 15 months:

- Cabinet ministers are being granted unprecedented powers to declare interim or emergency orders without government approval.

- Airlines will have to surrender passenger lists and other information to police and intelligence authorities on demand.

- The government is considering a new national identity card, and eventually passports, that would contain face-recognition technology that could eventually be cross-checked with international databases.

Federal privacy commissioner George Radwanski recently warned experiences like Melek's could become commonplace if security trends continue in the direction they've been following since the attacks.

At one point this year, Radwanski raised the spectre of a Canadian police state in which citizens are randomly asked for identification and information by armed officers of the government.

In a statement criticizing Ottawa's new anti-terrorism bill, he warned the federal government has not backed away from legislation that would allow it "unrestricted access to . . . personal information."

Specifically, Radwanski said he had "grave concerns" about sections of the act allowing RCMP to obtain airline passenger information when they are searching for people wanted under warrants.

Said the commissioner: "This provision could ultimately open the door to practices similar to those in societies where police routinely board trains, establish roadblocks or stop people on the street to check identification papers in search of anyone of interest to the state."

Technology is propelling privacy into new spheres of concern.

Computer databases already have a lot on us: Credit cards keep track of airline ticket purchases and car rentals. Supermarket discount programs know eating habits. Libraries track book borrowings. Schools record grades.

Then there's government: Agencies amass information on large cash transfers, taxes and employment, driving history - and visas.

Some warn of a kind of "technology creep," where advances intended for one application are used for another.

"Once we have an ability, it's so hard to say No," says Jonathan Zittrain, co-director of Harvard Law School's Berkman Center for Internet and Society. "In recent times, the best protections for civil liberties have been to simply prevent the deployment of the technologies."

Now authorities in the United States are trying to determine if computers could link all government and commercial resources and discern patterns from people's electronic traces.

The latest security-driven technologies include camera systems that compare faces with police mug shots and identification systems based on fingerprints, retinal scans or other biometrics.

Already, a computerized profiling system means more screening for some airline passengers based partly on whether they paid cash or bought one-way tickets.

Radwanski says it's understandable people look to technology in times of insecurity and fear, but the solutions bear threats of their own.

"By making it easier for police forces and security agencies to collect, store, analyze, cross-reference and share personal information, technology has the effect of increasing the power of the state to intrude on the privacy of its citizens," he says.

"It's important that we look at the cost - not the cost in dollars and cents, but the costs to our fundamental rights and liberties."

Radwanski lectures on the balance between security and privacy and the need for technology that actually makes us safer and not just makes us feel safer.

"The choices that free and democratic societies around the globe make in this regard . . . will quite literally determine what kind of world we create."

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall once warned that "grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure."

Says Radwanski: "When people are frightened for their safety . . . it's easy to lose perspective. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that security is all that matters and that privacy is a luxury."

Such excesses can only reward and encourage terrorism, not diminish it, he warns. "They can only devastate our lives, not safeguard them."

He says every ill-considered reduction of our freedoms, including privacy, is "a victory for terrorism."

"If we must live our lives knowing that at any given moment someone - and particularly agents of the state - may be metaphorically or quite literally looking over our shoulder, we are not truly free," he says.

"If we have to weigh every action, every statement, every human contact, wondering who might find out about it, make a record of it, judge it, misconstrue it or somehow use it to our detriment, we are not truly free."

Just ask Nesreen Melek.

"I keep asking myself: Why am I not wanted in this country? I don't have anywhere to go to. I don't have a country."

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Here are some post-Sept. 11th measures that civil rights and privacy watchdogs fear could compromise the freedom of Canadians:

- Granting cabinet ministers unprecedented powers to declare emergency orders without government approval.

- Allowing police detention without charging someone for up to 72 hours.

- Freezing and confiscating financial assets of defendants, sometimes on the strength of secret intelligence they didn't see.

- A pilot project using face recognition technology for passport applications.

- Huge database of information on everyone who flies to Canada that will be kept for up to six years. Database will be expanded to include people arriving on cruise ships, ferries, trains and buses.

- Under proposed legislation, RCMP may have access to passenger information for vague purposes of "transportation security."

Canadians travelling to the United States are now advised to carry passports and expect delays. Foreign-born Canadians can be questioned extensively.



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SoManyLies
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posted 12-26-2002 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoManyLies   Email SoManyLies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL I just read this article like 15 minutes ago and contemplated on posting it and now it seems I was beaten to the punch. It is a nice article demonstrating that at least some people are speaking up to the media about what is going on here and in the US and are actually reporting on it.

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


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posted 12-26-2002 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah bro,

This stuff is a nightmare come true. I suggest you learn as many primitive and survival skills as possible. 2003 may be the year Bush and the globalists go for the big round-up and takeover.Seems like it's already happening in England.
Now is definately NOT the time to shut up....no.
GET LOUDER AND LOUDER AND LOUDER.

The Iraqi "threat" is just an excuse to create an "attack" HERE...ON US in the next few months..you watch. There will be some SERIOUS stuff going down in 2003 and beyond.
I tell you what bro...I'd rather take my chances with Ma Nature than with the globalists.Iv'e done it before and I can do it again. This fight has to go on nd the word needs to be spread like wildfire that the people running the U.S. right now....dems/repubs are doing exactly what the gloablsits want and could give 2 squats about me or you. It's all $$$$$$$ controlled. Exchange the population's liberty for $$$$$$.
It's been going on for years. Now the situation is at critical mass.

I'm sure you damn well want Canada to keep her soverienty. The globalists want a PAN-AMERICAN-UNION...basically turning the Western Hemisphere into a new global low-wage slave plantation. Most people think this is not going to effect them....THINK AGAIN!!Not just industries are going overseas but service jobs as well and we have globlist apologists like Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Bill Clinton and G.W. Bush kissing the globalists heineys to thank for. Like I said, $$$$$$.CONSOLIDATION OF WEALTH AND POWER.

DONT GO BACK TO SLEEP.

Economy imploding, cities attacked, martial law...

Laugh now de-bunksters.

They will be the first ones begging for a national ID card after the U.S. gets "attacked" again. The same @$$ kissers that think Bush is a Constitutionalist...PFFFF Yeah right!

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posted 12-26-2002 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SoManyLies   Email SoManyLies     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know something big is coming this year. With the threat of North Korea escalating extremely high in teh last couple of days. They are trying to slip by making nukes while the US is preoccupied with Iraq. What boggles me is that the US has no proof that Saddam is making nukes but yet they want to kill millions of innocents and take over their country, while North Korea has opened up several plants in the past days capable of making nukes on a large scale basis, but the US wants to solve that situation "diplomatically".

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Mech
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posted 12-26-2002 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's because BUSH SR. and others have finacial ties to N. Korea and to a man named SUN YUNG MOON (who thinks he is Christ).(I.E.Dangerous, unstable lunatic) I won't go into that here because this is an IRAQ thread. Mabey someone should start a North Korea thread.

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Mech
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posted 12-29-2002 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Depleted Uranium -
A Killer Disaster
By Travis Dunn
Disaster News.net
12-29-2
http://www.disasternews.net/news/news.php?articleid=1687

BALTIMORE -- Dr. Doug Rokke has a disturbing habit of laughing when he should probably be crying.

He laughs when he talks about battlefields contaminated with radioactive waste. He can't stop laughing when he talks about what he claims is a massive government cover-up. And he keeps laughing when he talks about his health problems, which he attributes to deliberate Army negligence, and which will likely kill him.

Talking to Rokke on the telephone is disturbing enough without him laughing about such horrors. A strange echo accompanies every utterance. When this bizarre sound is pointed out to him, Rokke says he isn't surprised: he claims his phone has been tapped for years.

It may be tempting to dismiss Rokke as a crank or a conspiracy theorist, but Rokke is 35-year-veteran of the U.S. Army, and he isn't just a disgruntled grunt. Rokke ran the U.S. Army's depleted uranium project in the mid-90s, and he was in charge of the Army's effort to clean up depleted uranium after the Persian Gulf War. And he directed the Edwin R. Bradley Radiological Laboratories at Fort McClellan, Ala.

Yet if you type Rokke's name into a search engine on any military website, you will draw a blank, as if he doesn't exist.

If you read through hundreds of pages of government documents and transcriptions of countless government hearings regarding the military use of depleted uranium, not once will you come across his name.

That is more than a little unusual, since Rokke and his team were at the forefront of trying to understand the potential health and environmental hazards posed by the use of depleted uranium, or DU, on the battlefield.

"We were the best they ever had," Rokke claims. He's not bragging. He's laughing again.

The use of DU in combat is a fairly new innovation. It was used for the first time in the Persian Gulf War as the crucial component of armor-piercing, tank-busting munitions.


These munitions are tipped with DU darts that ignite after being fired. The shells are so heavy and hot that they easily rip through steel.

"It's like taking a pencil and pushing it through paper," Rokke said.

This uranium "pencil" then explodes inside its target, creating a deadly "firestorm."

As an anti-tank weapon, "these things are great," Rokke said. They enable U.S. troops to quickly take out enemy tanks at long-range.

According to the Web site of the Deployment Health Support Directorate, DU is "a by-product of the process by which uranium is enriched to produce reactor fuel and nuclear weapons components."

In other words, DU is low-level nuclear waste. According to the same Web site, DU can also contain trace amounts of "neptunium, plutonium, americium, technitium-99 and uranium- 236."

A total of 320 tons of DU munitions were fired during the Gulf War. Rokke's job was to figure out how to clean up U.S. tanks, the unfortunate victims of "friendly fire," which had been blown apart by DU rounds.

After years of this kind of this work-in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and on practice ranges in the U.S.-Rokke reached a conclusion in 1996.

He told the Army brass that DU was so dangerous that it had to be banned from combat immediately.

That conclusion, Rokke said, cost him his career.

'Contamination was all over'

Burning tanks, burning oil fields, charred bodies.

This was Kuwait after the Gulf War. Rokke had a mission-clean up U.S. tanks contaminated with DU.

What Rokke found terrified him.

"Oh my God is the only way to describe it," Rokke said. "Contamination was all over."

Rokke and his crew were measuring significant levels of radiation up to 50 meters away from affected tanks: up to 300 millirems an hour in beta and gamma radiation, and alpha radiation from the thousands to the millions in counts per minute (CPM) on a Geiger counter.

"That whole area is still trashed," he said. "It's hotter than heck over there still. This stuff doesn't go away."

His team took three months to clean up 24 tanks for transport back to the U.S.

The Army, Rokke said, took another three years to fully decontaminate the same 24 tanks.

But the contaminated tanks weren't the only problem.

Within 72 hours of their inspections, Rokke and his crew started getting sick.

But they continued with their work. They went back to the U.S. to perform tests on Army bases. They deliberately blew up tanks with DU rounds, then ran over and jumped on the tanks while they were still burning. They videotaped the uranium-oxide clouds pouring out, and they measured the radiation being thrown off.

In the past decade, Rokke said 30 men out of 100 who were closely involved in these operations dropped dead.

Rokke's lungs and kidneys are damaged. He believes that uranium oxide dust is permanently trapped inside his lungs. He has lesions on his brain, pustules on his skin. He suffers from chronic fatigue syndrome. He has reactive airway disease, which means he can't stop wheezing and coughing, and experiences a loss of breath when he exercises. He also has fibromyalgia, a condition that causes chronic pain in his muscles, ligaments and tendons.

The VA tested Rokke for uranium levels in his body in 1994. He got the results back two and a half years later. His urine had 5000 times the amount of permissible uranium.

After years of fighting with the VA, Rokke said he managed to get a 40 percent disability, but there is no official acknowledgement that his illnesses were caused by his work with DU.

The Army and the Pentagon continue to insist that DU is safe. Rokke says they know better, because he gave them the proof. He said they can't find evidence of DU's dangers because "they're looking for the wrong stuff, and they're using the wrong procedures."

The problem with DU, he said, is the stuff that's given off when a round is fired. The projectile begins burning immediately, and up to 70 percent of it oxidizes. This aerosolized power-uranium oxide-is the really dangerous stuff, Rokke said, particularly when it is inhaled.

Rokke insists that he and his men were wearing protective equipment-or equipment they thought would protect them. But their face masks were capable of straining out particles of 10 microns or larger. That's as big as the DU particles get, according to the Army and the Pentagon.

Rokke, however, insists that he has measured particles as small as .3 microns, and that scientists at the Livermore laboratories have measured them as small as .1 micron.

Thus these safety precautions, which are still in place now, are utterly useless, he said.

'I'm a warrior and a patriot'

About one quarter of the 700,000 troops sent to the Persian Gulf War have reported some sort of Gulf War-related illness, and Rokke is convinced that DU has something to do with it, along with the host of other chemicals to which troops were exposed, including low levels of sarin gas, smoke from oil fires, countless pesticides as well as anti- nerve gas tablets which troops were required to ingest.

If Rokke is right about the dangers of DU, why does the Department of Defense continue to use it and insist that it is safe?

"When you go to war, your purpose is to kill," Rokke said, "and DU is the best killing thing we got."

Rokke believes that the U.S. military is putting more emphasis on firepower than on the health and safety of its own troops.

He received a memo in the early 90s he says proves his theory.

Dated March 1, 1991, the memo was written by Lt. Col. M.V. Ziehmn at the Los Alamos Laboratories in New Mexico.

"There has been and continues to be a concern regarding the impact of dU [sic] on the environment. Therefore, if no one makes a case for the effectiveness of dU on the battlefield, dU rounds may become politically unacceptable and thus, be deleted from the arsenal," the memo reads. "If dU penetrators proved their worth during our recent combat activities, then we should assure their future existence (until something better is developed) through Service/DoD proponency. If proponency is not garnered, it is possible that we stand to lose a valuable combat capability. I believe we should keep this sensitive issue at mind when after action reports [sic] are written."

The meaning of this memo is quite clear, Rokke said. Since DU munitions are so effective, they must continue to be used in combat, regardless of the environmental or health consequences.

The other issue is financial, he said. If the true effects of DU were known, cleanup costs would be absolutely staggering.

DU contaminated areas extend much farther than the Persian Gulf battlefields. Rokke said DU is regularly used in practice maneuvers in the U.S., namely in Indiana, Florida, New Mexico, Massachusetts, Maryland and Puerto Rico. Then there's Kosovo, where DU rounds were used to take out Serbian tanks.

As the U.S. stands on the brink of another war with Iraq, Rokke said he wants to make sure the American public fully understands that this war will be far worse that the last one, and that numbers of troops sickened by DU is likely to be much higher.

Rokke insists he is no pacifist.

"I'm a warrior and a patriot," he said. Given a verifiable threat against the U.S., "I would go to war in a heartbeat."

But he said that he is speaking out for the good of American troops, and for anyone, including Iraqi troops and civilians, who could be exposed to DU.

"Am I pushing for peace today? Yes, I am," he said.

Before a war with Iraq can even be contemplated, Rokke said, DU has to be removed from every arsenal in the world.

In order for that to happen, however, the Pentagon would have to admit that Doug Rokke is right, and that would come at a price that no one has even imagined. But money can't restore the lives of those that Rokke says have died from DU, and money isn't going to get the uranium oxide out of his lungs. There are people at the Pentagon who understand all this, Rokke claims, and that he deems unconscionable.

"I hope God slam-dunks their butts, because this is absolutely criminal," he said.

http://www.disasternews.net/news/news.php?articleid=1687

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Resisting the NWO


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posted 12-31-2002 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumped for the PHONY, FAKE, LYING people that call themselves "patriots".

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swamp gas
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779 posts, May 2002

posted 12-31-2002 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This reminds me of the government advertisements in the 1950's. They said if you get a good dose of radiation, your hair would fall out, but grow back a little later. Let's not forget the radium watches, and all the women on those assembly lines that would lick their fingers and die of tongue cancer. If it weren't for those "Bug-Eyed Monster" movies of that time and pioneers like Helen Caldicott, we might still be living in a lie. See the movie "Atomic Cafe" if one still thinks the government doesn't lie to us.

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posted 12-31-2002 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nah...everything is 100% wonderful..No bad Karma.

Everything will be fine if you just SHUT UP, ROLL OVER and BE A GOOD LITTLE ROBOT.

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posted 01-14-2003 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SADDAM DISCUSSES POSSIBLE EXILE...

Saddam agrees to send top aide to discuss possible exile

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Tuesday, January 14, 2003
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_1.html

CAIRO — Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has for the first time signaled openness to an Arab plan for his exile in an effort to prevent a U.S.-led war against Iraq.

Arab diplomatic sources said Saddam has agreed to send a senior aide to discuss "personal issues." The sources said the aide could arrive in Cairo over the weekend for talks on a plan to organize asylum in a Middle East country.

On Monday, Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz said Saddam would never leave Iraq

Saddam's envoy was identified as Ali Hassan Al Majid, a senior member of the Iraqi Revolutionary Council. Majid, known as "Chemical Ali," has been accused of ordering Iraqi chemical weapons attacks on Kurds in northern Iraq in the 1980s, Middle East Newsline reported.

The sources said Saddam has not accepted the Arab plan, promoted by Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. But they said the Iraqi president has agreed to explore the prospect that he, his family and aides would find safe haven in an Arab capital along with Western guarantees that he would not be prosecuted by any foreign government or international court.

On Tuesday, the London-based A-Sharq Al Awsat reported that Saddam plans to send a message through Al Majid that the Iraqi president would not consider any plan for exile. The newspaper quoted an Iraqi official as saying that Al Majid's visit is meant to update Mubarak on the situation in Iraq and the activities of United Nations weapons inspectors.

"Saddam Hussein will never leave his country, but will stay there until the last Iraqi shot is fired," Aziz told the London-based British Broadcasting Corp. "The danger will be greater for Iraq if the president leaves."

But the sources said Saddam agreed that Al Majid would discuss what they termed "personal issues" with his Egyptian hosts. The sources said Al Majid, Saddam's cousin, was chosen over Iraq's prime minister or foreign minister.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who said any exile plan must be approved by the United States, is expected to meet Al Majid. Diplomatic sources said this will be the first high-level contact between Baghdad and Cairo since the visit by Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri to Egypt in November.

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posted 01-14-2003 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If SADDAM steps down the globalists won't get Iraq's oil.

LOL!

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posted 01-17-2003 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Evidence against Iraq building toward war
Inspectors find chem warheads, Blix issues stern warning, ricin plotters tied to Baghdad

World Net Daily 01/17/03

Original Link: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30540

For those still clinging to hopes of avoiding a military showdown between the U.S. and Iraq, yesterday was not a good day.

U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq discovered empty chemical warheads in "excellent condition." U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix issued a stern warning to Baghdad to cooperate "or else." And those believed to be behind the ricin attacks in the United Kingdom were linked to both al-Qaida and another terrorist group based in Iraq.

A team from the U.N. inspections commission found "11 empty 122 millimeter chemical warheads and one warhead that requires further evaluation," spokesman Hiro Ueki said in a statement released to the press.

The inspectors were examining a large group of bunkers at the Ukhaider Ammunition Storage Area, about 90 miles southwest of Baghdad, reported CNN. Reuters said Ueki did not evaluate the significance of the find. He noted that a team had gone there to inspect bunkers constructed in the late 1990s.

"The warheads were in excellent condition and were similar to ones imported by Iraq during the late 1980s," said the inspector's statement. "The team used portable X-Ray equipment to conduct preliminary analysis of one of the warheads and collected samples for chemical testing."

An Iraqi official said the weapons were old artillery rockets mentioned in its December declaration.

Though a U.S. official said the find did not represent a "smoking gun" that would precipitate war, the unexpected discovery represents one more nail in the coffin of a diplomatic effort to disarm Iraq that has lasted 11 years.

Predictably, Iraq called the find a "storm in a teacup." Iraq denied the warheads were part of any banned secret arms program.

The United States is massing forces ready to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein if ordered. Blix is preparing to brief the U.N. Security Council on the progress of his search Jan. 27.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said President Bush has not made a decision about whether to go to war but called Jan. 27 "an important date."

"Beyond that events will dictate timetables," he added.

Blix said he is "almost sure" diplomats will request another report in February. But EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said Blix told him the time for inspections was "not very long."

Speaking in Brussels, Blix accused Baghdad of illegally importing arms-related material to the country, but added it was not yet clear whether the items were related to weapons of mass destruction.

White House officials said they were pleased to hear Blix's remarks, noting that they are more consistent with what Washington has been saying – only the pressure and threat of military force will get Iraq's attention.

Blix said: "Everyone wants to see a credible and verified disarmament of Iraq. We feel Iraq must do more than it has so far in order to make inspections a credible avenue (to disarmament). The other major avenue is in the form of armed action against Iraq. For my part we are trying our best to make inspections effective so we can have a peaceful solution."

He added: "It's clear Iraq has violated the bans of the United Nations in terms of imports. We have found things that have been illegally imported, even in 2001 and 2002."

The Bush administration is resisting calls by other nations that it secure the explicit blessing of the United Nations Security Council before going to war with Iraq. The White House further suggested that it could decide in favor of military action even if weapons inspectors do not turn up concrete new evidence against Saddam Hussein.

To top off the day's developments, the deadly poison ricin discovered at a makeshift lab in a north London apartment last week is linked to a group of Algerian extremists with ties to al-Qaida and Iraq, according to news reports.

The Guardian newspaper reports British intelligence has come to regard the North African terrorists as the "greatest al-Qaida-related threat in Europe, the most potent threat after al-Qaida itself."

The Associated Press reports a senior U.S. official traveling in Europe said men arrested in the alleged ricin plot were linked to Ansar al-Islam, a terrorist group in northern Iraq that is suspected of having ties to al-Qaida and possibly to Saddam Hussein's regime. The official spoke on condition of anonymity.

Four men were arrested in the Wood Green apartment raid Jan. 5 and charged with attempting to develop a chemical weapon. BBC identifies the men as Samir Feddag, 26, his brother Mouloud Feddag, 18, Mustapha Taleb, 33, and a 17-year-old youth, who could not be named for legal reasons.

On Tuesday, police in the northern city of Manchester arrested two North African men during another raid of a home where a 23-year-old Algerian asylum seeker was residing.

During the raid, one of the suspects fatally stabbed an officer. The two were taken into custody under the British Terrorism Act 2000, and a full-scale forensic search of their property was launched.

The Daily Telegraph reports that Scotland Yard describes the two arrested as "significant suspects" in the ricin probe.

Manchester police arrested a fourth man overnight Wednesday night.

British intelligence were reportedly on the trail of the Algerian network weeks before the discovery of the ricin.

According to the Guardian, the Algerian terror networks were born out of the Armed Islamic Group that directed attacks in the 1990s at the Algerian government and France, which supported Algiers. In the late 1990s, the militants became influenced by al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden.

Some attended al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan which evidence suggests included familiarization with ricin and other toxins.

From the al-Qaida training camps, some of these Algerian militants went on to fight in Chechnya, expanding their jihad against the U.S. and its allies.

The Guardian reports the ricin inquiry has become the largest single investigation undertaken by Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist branch since Sept. 11.

The AP reports ricin, which is derived from the castor bean plant, is among the world's deadliest toxins and has been linked in the past to al-Qaida and Iraq.



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IRAQ lays conditions for Saddam exile

AFP 01/17/03

Original Link: http://www.mid-day.com/news/world/2003/january/41919.htm

Berlin: Iraq has set out a list of conditions for the exile of President Saddam Hussein, including a complete withdrawal of US troops from the Gulf, Germany's Der Spiegel reported today quoting diplomatic sources.

It said the conditions also include ending UN weapons inspections and the sanctions regime, a pledge not to haul Saddam or his cronies before court and action to halt any Israeli development of weapons of mass destruction.

The newsweekly said its information came from a Western and two Arab diplomats in Dubai, adding that the Iraqi leader could go into exile in Africa.

But it said the United States had so far rejected the conditions and that Egypt was now trying to persuade Baghdad to compromise over its demands.

Arab diplomats in the region have already said that Turkey is working with Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries to convince Saddam Hussein to go into exile to prevent a US-led war.

Despite Arab and Turkish denials of having considered asking Saddam to step down and go abroad, the diplomats told AFP that such efforts were based on an initiative by Turkey, whose Prime Minister Abdullah Gul toured the region this month.

Speaking under cover of anonymity, they said the idea was that he would go into exile in return for assurances that he would not be prosecuted.

US President George W. Bush warned Tuesday that time was "running out" for Saddam.


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MASSIVE ANTI-IRAQ WAR PROTEST IN WASHINGTON DC THIS WEEKEND AND THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.........TO BE SPIED ON BY BUSH/NWO CABAL

Uncle Sam Will Be Watching Anti-War Protesters
Police To Use Surveillance Cameras

POSTED: 1:09 p.m. EST January 17, 2003
UPDATED: 1:22 p.m. EST January 17, 2003
WASHINGTON -- Police in Washington, D.C. plan to deploy surveillence cameras during massive anti-war protests planned for this weekend. Mall Surveillance Authorities said extra cameras will be added to the existing network of 14 lenses. The cameras will be situated at Farragut Square, Malcom X Park, Dupont Circle, the Marine Barracks as well as 8th and Eye Streets, Southeast.

They'll also be keeping an eye on the crowd along the protest route from the U.S. Capitol to the Washington Navy Yard.

And, when the anti-war demonstrators take to the streets, they'll be marching beside police officers.

Organizers of the major protests have met with D.C. police, U.S. Park Police and the Secret Service.

Many of the events are officially permitted near the U.S. Capitol, the White House and the Washington Navy Yard. Even acts of civil disobedience have been tailored to fit the region's unique security concerns.

Sgt. Scott Fear of the U.S. Park Police said Sunday's demonstration outside the White House will involve people committed to breaking the law as a political statement.

Fear said police plan to make arrests when that happens.

Brian Becker, a protest organizer, said this weekend will mark the beginning of large and ongoing protests against what he calls "a war for big oil."

Becker and other activists plan to lead tens of thousands of demonstrators in the march from the National Mall to the Washington Navy Yard.

Although a group identified as International ANSWER has a permit for up to 30,000 demonstrators, organizers said hundreds of thousands will protest in the District and in cities around the world.

Members of the anti-war movement plan additional demonstrations on Sunday and in the weeks ahead. The week of Feb. 13, students on college and high school campuses are expected to gear up for two weeks of protests.



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Gulf War I Vets Caution Gulf War II Vets
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/article.asp?id=252


... Steve Robinson, Executive Director of the National Gulf War Resource Center, said the military's equipment for fending off chemical agents wasn't effective in the Gulf War and will not work in another war. "Nobody's talking about it because it's going to affect morale," he said. "I know I would have a morale problem if I were in the military and my equipment didn't work. I don't know what to tell guys now that don't have the proper equipment" ...

Steve Robinson's phone rings all the time these days. Usually, the callers are soldiers who want to know what they should do to prepare for chemical or biological attacks if there is a war with Iraq.

He tells them to pay close attention to their surroundings, to note any medications they're given and to keep careful medical records.

Robinson is a veteran of the Gulf War who spent 20 years in the Army. He retired last year but is now an advocate for Gulf War vets as the executive director of the National Gulf War Resource Center in Maryland.

Robinson gives his advice from experience. He has seen and heard many stories about Gulf War illness, the unexplained health problems that struck hundreds of soldiers following their return from Desert Storm in 1991. But the symptoms of the illnesses of Gulf War veterans are so varied that some have been unable to demonstrate that the disorder is connected to their military service.

With another possible war with Iraq looming, Robinson fears that mistakes will be repeated from the first war.

"The guys who fight the next gulf war, they're going to be just as unprepared as we were," Robinson said.

Department of Defense officials could not be reached for comment.

Robinson said the military's equipment for fending off chemical agents wasn't effective in the Gulf War and will not work in another war.

"Nobody's talking about it because it's going to affect morale," he said. "I know I would have a morale problem if I were in the military and my equipment didn't work. I don't know what to tell guys now that don't have the proper equipment."

Robinson's opinion is echoed by other other veterans advocates and people have fallen ill since their services in the Gulf War.

"I'm not sure there's any good protection against biological or chemical warfare," said retired Maj. Gloria Nickerson, a Gulf War veteran who lives in Hoke County. "It's pretty hard to test. You wouldn't want to be the subject."

Nickerson, who is 50, said she is one of the victims of Gulf War illness. She spent six weeks in Saudi Arabia in 1991. She was healthy then. But since her return she has been diagnosed with diabetes and Hepatitis C. The illnesses have kept her out of work, but she receives no compensation from the Department of Defense.

"It's very depressing," she said. "I don't feel enthusiasm for pursuing the disability claims. It's kind of hard to expect sick people to fight for themselves."

Medical mystery

Nearly 700,000 men and women were sent to the Middle East as a part of Operation Desert Storm.

Many were afflicted with various maladies after they returned home. Doctors are still at a loss to explain the sicknesses, which range from rashes and headaches to chronic fatigue and immune system problems.

Sick soldiers, their families and veterans advocates have suspected that exposure to chemical weapons, oil field fires or depleted uranium caused the mysterious illnesses. Medications and vaccines that were supposed to protect them could also be the cause, they said.

Many are people like retired Air Force Staff Sgt. Richard Wadzinski Jr.

Wadzinski's military records show he was vaccinated before his deployment against a host of diseases and infectious agents, including anthrax and botulism. He also took many pills the military provided as protection against nerve gas.

By the time he got home, however, Wadzinski had recurring rashes on his arms, chest and legs. Later, the headaches began, followed by chronic fatigue, and joint and muscle aches.

Some doctors told him his problems were in his head, he said.

He took early retirement in 1994 after 18 years of service. He took a job as an emergency services worker. Then, in December 1997, he learned his liver was failing. A transplant saved his life, but he says he lives in constant pain.

He has advice for the next wave of troops that could be headed to Iraq: "Have a good gas mask that's in good working order, and know how to use it. And every time something happens, put it on. There is no such thing as a false alarm."

The federal government has spent $213 million on 224 projects investigating the cause of the illnesses. In October, the Department of Veterans Affairs announced it will spend $20 million for research in fiscal 2004.

Compensation fight

For people like Sarah Overdorff, it's too late. Overdorff's son, John O'Brien, died in 1998 at the age of 31. O'Brien was in the Navy reserves and spent six months in the Middle East in 1990 and 1991. But he began having health problems almost as soon as he returned home to Mars Hill. His hands and legs would go numb, she said. He also had psychological and memory problems. He died of a bacterial infection, something Overdorff said showed that her son's immune system was compromised.

Overdorff said she and O'Brien's widow are still fighting for compensation. Another war with Iraq should be a cause for concern, Overdorff said.

"We all agreed that if they have to do it, OK," she said. "But as far as we're concerned, they're nowhere near ready because the gear is not ready and the training isn't ready. If they had done their homework and had followed up on it, they would be ready."

According to the Department of Veterans Affairs, 11,783 claims for undiagnosed illnesses have been filed by Gulf War veterans since the war, but only 3,129 claims - about 26 percent - have been approved.

Soldiers are taxed with the job of proving their illnesses are connected to their service in the Middle East. Robinson advises soldiers who might go off to another war to keep detailed medical records and to pay attention to their surroundings at all times, something he said isn't easy.

"The problem is they put the burden of the proof on the soldiers," he said. "A soldier can't be a journalist and an epidemiologist while he's fighting a war and shooting bullets downrange."

David Autry, a spokesman for Disabled Veterans of America, said the Department of Defense needs to recognize the sick veterans. He said another wave of sickness from another war could tax a military health-care system that's already strained.

"Historically, it seems to be a recurring problem that troops are exposed to something and then don't find out about it until years later," he said. "We hope things are different now. We hope the Department of Defense has learned that lesson."

Staff writer Todd Leskanic can be reached at leskanict@fayettevillenc.com or 486-3572

ANYONE WHO THINKS THE BUSH CABAL GIVES A CARE
IF THESE VETS COME HOME DEBILITATED AND SICK FOR LIFE OR IN NOTHING BUT A BODY BAG, THEY ARE TRULY LIVING IN A NEVER NEVER LAND.

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Military voices of dissent

Steve Schifferes BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2663191.stm

Opposition to a possible war in Iraq has come from an unlikely source - the US military itself.

As anti-war forces are gathering for a major demonstration on Saturday in Washington, a group of parents of the soldiers currently being deployed in the Gulf have decided to speak out against the drive for war.

They have been joined by organisations representing Gulf War veterans, who are particularly concerned about the problem of chemical and biological warfare casualties among servicemen.

The anti-war former soldiers hope to replicate the success of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in the l960s, who were a crucial part of the anti-war coalition that helped end US involvement in that war.

The organisations are new and small. But they could bring a new element to the anti-Iraq war movement. If they influence US troops in the field, that could be a worry for the Pentagon.

Activists on Vietnam

Nancy Lessin, one of founders of Military Families Speak Out has a stepson, Joe, in the marines. He is deployed in Kuwait as an Arab language specialist.

She is a union activist from Jamaica Plain near Boston, Massachusetts who was previously active in opposing the Vietnam War.

Her voice breaking, Ms Lessin said she hoped her stepson would not face combat, nor would he have to take part in killing others.

She said that opposition to an unjust war was patriotic.

And she said that if Iraq's main export was olive oil, we wouldn't be facing the possibility of war.

The horrors of war

Briggs Seakins from Maine served as an dismount mechanised infantryman with the 3rd Armoured Division in the 1991 Gulf War.

He told the BBC that it was the experience of the war - and his concern that he was taking part in the slaughter of innocents - that has led him to take his anti-war stance.

He says that at the time, supporting his fellow soldiers took priority. But having seen the refugees and the frightened conscript soldiers from Iraq, he would not take part in war again.

So far there are no members of these organisations who are also active members of the military. But the organisers believe that there is considerable hidden support for their views.

Jeff McKenzie, another member of Military Families Speak Out, is an anti-war activist from New York state. His son, Jeremy, is an Army captain who flies medical evacuation helicopters and is currently being deployed to the Gulf.

He said he encountered sympathy with his views among some of the soldiers when he visited his son in Fort Benning, Georgia, especially those who were nearing the end of their tours of duty.

His own anti-war views were forged after the events of 11 September, and he took part in anti-nuclear marches.

He says the war in Iraq is about settling old scores and controlling oil, and it would not be in America's interest.

Gulf War veterans

Many of the military activists, former Gulf War veterans, are warning that any conflict will be more costly, in terms of casualties and disabilities, than anyone is prepared for.

And as the coalition seeks to represent the views of some 44 million veterans, the Veterans for Common Sense (VCFS) have taken a moderate stance on the war, calling for a halt to the war until diplomacy has been given a chance rather than opposing it outright.

They have also for more evidence and broader support from the Allies before launching a "vindictive" strike.

"This war isn't worth the life of one American soldier," said Charlie Sheehan-Miles, a former tank crewman in the Gulf who is one of the founders of VFCS.

"This week thousands of US soldiers are deploying to Kuwait to fight a war on our behalf. They go because it is their job, and their mission to protect us. It is now our mission to protect them."

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NEW DRUGS FOR NEW WARS


The Guilt-Free Soldier
by Erik Baard
January 22 - 28, 2003


soldier faces a drab cluster of buildings off a broken highway, where the enemy is encamped among civilians. Local farmers and their families are routinely forced to fill the basements and shacks, acting as human shields for weapons that threaten the lives of other civilians, the soldier's comrades, and his cause in this messy 21st-century war.

There will be no surgical strikes tonight. The artillery this soldier can unleash with a single command to his mobile computer will bring flames and screaming, deafening blasts and unforgettably acrid air. The ground around him will be littered with the broken bodies of women and children, and he'll have to walk right through. Every value he learned as a boy tells him to back down, to return to base and find another way of routing the enemy. Or, he reasons, he could complete the task and rush back to start popping pills that can, over the course of two weeks, immunize him against a lifetime of crushing remorse. He draws one last clean breath and fires.

Pills like those won't be available to the troops heading off for possible war with Iraq, but the prospect of a soul absolved by meds remains very real. Feelings of guilt and regret travel neural pathways in a manner that mimics the tracings of ingrained fear, so a prophylactic against one could guard against the other. Several current lines of research, some federally funded, show strong promise for this.

At the University of California at Irvine, experiments in rats indicate that the brain's hormonal reactions to fear can be inhibited, softening the formation of memories and the emotions they evoke. At New York University, researchers are mastering the means of short-circuiting the very wiring of primal fear. At Columbia University one Nobel laureate's lab has discovered the gene behind a fear-inhibiting protein, uncovering a vision of "fight or flight" at the molecular level. In Puerto Rico, at the Ponce School of Medicine, scientists are discovering ways to help the brain unlearn fear and inhibitions by stimulating it with magnets. And at Harvard University, survivors of car accidents are already swallowing propranolol pills, in the first human trials of that common cardiac drug as a means to nip the effects of trauma in the bud.

The web of your worst nightmares, your hauntings and panics and shame, radiates from a dense knot of neurons called the amygdala. With each new frightening or humiliating experience, or even the reliving of an old one, this fear center triggers a release of hormones that sear horrifying impressions into your brain. That which is unbearable becomes unforgettable too. Unless, it seems, you act quickly enough to block traumatic memories from taking a stranglehold.

Some observers say that in the name of human decency there are some things people should have to live with. They object to the idea of medicating away one's conscience.

"It's the morning-after pill for just about anything that produces regret, remorse, pain, or guilt," says Dr. Leon Kass, chairman of the President's Council on Bioethics, who emphasizes that he's speaking as an individual and not on behalf of the council. Barry Romo, a national coordinator for Vietnam Veterans Against the War, is even more blunt. "That's the devil pill," he says. "That's the monster pill, the anti-morality pill. That's the pill that can make men and women do anything and think they can get away with it. Even if it doesn't work, what's scary is that a young soldier could believe it will."

Are we ready for the infamous Nuremberg plea—"I was just following orders"—to be made easier with pharmaceuticals? Though the research so far has been limited to animals and the most preliminary of human trials, the question is worth debating now.

"If you have the pill, it certainly increases the temptation for the soldier to lower the standard for taking lethal action, if he thinks he'll be numbed to the personal risk of consequences. We don't want soldiers saying willy-nilly, 'Screw it. I can take my pill and even if doing this is not really warranted, I'll be OK,' " says psychiatrist Edmund G. Howe, director of the Program on Medical Ethics at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. "If soldiers are going to have that lower threshold, we might have to build in even stronger safeguards than we have right now against, say, blowing away human shields. We'll need a higher standard of proof [that an action is justified]."

The scientists behind this advance into the shadows of memory and fear don't dream of creating morally anesthetized grunts. They're trying to fend off post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, so that women who've been raped can leave their houses without feeling like targets. So that survivors of terrorist attacks can function, raise families, and move forward. And yes, so that those young soldiers aren't left shattered for decades by what they've seen and done in service.

Combat and psychoactive chemicals have always been inseparable, whether the agent was alcohol or a space-age pill. A half-century after Japan hopped its soldiers up on methylamphetamines during World War II, the U.S. has pilots currently in the dock for mistakenly bombing Canadian troops while using speed to stay awake. When Eric Kandel, the Nobel laureate in medicine who works out of Columbia, was asked if his genetic exploration of fear was funded by the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, he quipped, "No, but you're welcome to call them and tell them about me."

Imagine a world where the same pill soothed victims and perpetrators alike. Henry David Thoreau advised, "Make the most of your regrets; never smother your sorrow. . . . To regret deeply is to live afresh." Without remorse, there would have been no John Newton, a slave trader who found religion during a harrowing storm at sea and later became an abolitionist; he's best known for penning "Amazing Grace."

For doctors, the drugs would present a tricky dilemma. Most people exposed to traumatic situations don't end up with PTSD, but there are few means of knowing on the spot who might need treatment much further down the line. Researchers say that for the medicines to be effective, patients would need to take them soon after the upsetting event. The temptation for physicians might be to err on the side of caution, at the cost of curbing normal emotional responses. Victims might be eager to avoid lasting pain, wrongdoers the full sting of self-examination.

"The impulse is to help people to not fall apart. You don't want to condemn that," says Kass. "But that you would treat these things with equanimity, the horrible things of the world, so that they don't disturb you . . . you'd cease to be a human being."

The very idea of PTSD has been attacked as a social construction, a vague catchall that provides exculpation for the misdeeds of war. But researchers are trying to prevent the onset of a disease, not change the social circumstances that bring it about. James L. McGaugh, a neurobiologist at U.C. Irvine whose study of stress hormones and memory consolidation in rats is one of the cornerstones of the effort, acknowledges the ambiguities but comes out swinging in defense of his work. "Is it immoral to weaken the memory of horrendous acts a person has committed? Well, I suppose one might make that case. Some of your strongest memories are of embarrassments and of the guilty things you did. It doesn't surprise me at all that people would wake up screaming, thinking of the young children they killed in Vietnam," McGaugh says. "But is treating that worse than saying, 'Don't worry if your leg is shot off, we've got penicillin and surgery to prevent you from dying of infection'? Why is it any worse to give them a drug that prevents them from having PSTD for the rest of their lives? The moral dilemma is sending people to war in the first place."

Nevertheless, fellow fear researcher Dr. Gregory Quirk of the Ponce School of Medicine, in Puerto Rico, is troubled by how his work might be used if it progressed from studies of rats to therapies for humans. He argues that fear isn't created and degraded in the amygdala alone, but is also unlearned in the prefrontal cortex, which in PTSD patients is only weakly active. Quirk thinks a physician could stimulate those areas with magnets while patients view the images they fear, and could thus restore balance to the mind. With that same method, he says, firemen could stave off episodes of life-threatening panic. "Certainly the military might be interested in something like that," he says. "If this would be used to go against fear that's important for survival or morality, I would have a problem with that."

There are reasons to believe our military would covet mastery of Quirk's technique in humans. People at war dehumanize their enemies to make killing more palatable. Now, in the war on terror, our modern cultural taboos against torture are fraying. Put yourself in the room then. The commission of heinous acts, even deliberate torture, can also visit lifelong torment on perpetrators who aren't hardwired very well to be sadistic. The sounds of screaming—a primordial alert that mortal danger is near—trigger those damning hormones even in the torturer.

And couple Quirk's magnetic manipulation of the brain with this: "One of the horrible things I discovered after the Gulf War was that, because of the coeducation of wars, as it were, male soldiers were given extensive desensitization training to make them able to hear women being raped and tortured in the next room without breaking," Kass says. "It's a deformation of the soul of the first order. I cannot speak about it without outrage."

But a trauma-born irrational aversion to necessary war—pacifism in the face of an expanding evil—isn't healthy either. "Such emotions can blind us as well as make us wiser," says Howe. "It's possible that these kinds of drugs would help patients see in a clearer way." On the flip side, could anyone possibly maintain that Ahab was a better captain for not having been chemically mollified after the white whale bit off his leg?

An uncomfortable reality is that war isn't an aberration; it has a very codified place in our culture. We agree through treaties to normalize it. We demand punishment for soldiers who violate those treaties, though more often those from the losing side. But we don't deny them medical treatment. And one needn't have committed a war crime to feel wracked by sorrow. "In my dreams I meet six Vietnamese people I murdered. Whether they had a gun on them is irrelevant," says Romo, who, as a 19-year-old lieutenant, served as a platoon leader in the 196th Light Infantry Brigade in 1967 and 1968. His ticket home was as a body escort for his similarly aged nephew, who served in the same unit. "I returned to the United States on my nephew's dead body," he says.

Romo and veterans like him have taken it upon themselves to use their experiences to teach peace. But veterans torn apart by PTSD don't have a choice about being Exhibit A in the case against war. "When you see what can happen to a young person, it passes on in a very real way, not in a history-class sense, that reality of what war and blood really is," he says. Who are we to impose this emotionalalbatross on soldiers? As a nation, we elect our leaders. It seems unjust to make veterans a special class to suffer for our sins in wrongheaded wars, or pay a continuing price for victory in the "good" ones.

"That's a heavy burden to put on people to preserve the morality you're talking about," says Dr. Roger K. Pitman of Harvard University, who's leading the propranolol study in people fresh from car accidents. "By that same logic, if you could make a lightweight bulletproof garment for soldiers we still shouldn't do it. For moral reasons we ought to make them able to be shot, to preserve the cost of war, the deterrent to war. But we work to prevent our soldiers from being shot, and I say there are mental bullets flying around there, too."

There's another context to be considered as well, McGaugh notes, one that was made clear by the recent demand from representatives Charles B. Rangel of New York and John Conyers Jr. of Michigan that we reinstate the draft to address racial and economic inequities. "Who are our soldiers?" McGaugh asks. "They are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Very few of their daddies go to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton."

But PTSD doesn't result solely from war. When Kass first heard of McGaugh's research, at a presentation in October, he had a far more intimate horror in mind: rape. "At fraternity parties they'll be popping Ecstasy at night and forgetfulness in the morning," he growls.

The victim would be an obvious candidate for an anti-trauma drug. Would dulling her emotional memories of the event help her to endure the lengthy, perhaps humiliating, pursuit of justice through the courts, or would it rob her of the righteous anger she'll need to persevere and perhaps the empathy to later help other victims? The rapist is part of the equation too. If his victim stabbed him in her own defense, no doubt he would be bodily healed. No physician could refuse to treat him. "If such a person had PTSD stemming from the circumstances of the act, he could be a candidate [for therapy]," Pitman says.

How much of our remorse do we have a right to dispense with, and how much exists in service to others, a check on our worst impulses? "Each experience we have changes our brain and in some sense alters who we are," says Dr. Joseph E. LeDoux of NYU, who studies emotional memory. "The more significant the experience, the more the alteration. We have to decide as a society how far we want to go in changing the self. Science will surely give us new and powerful ways of doing this. Individuals may want more change than society wants to permit."

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The Four Stooges of The Apocalypse

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them protestors with the face signs of
Bush, Cheney and the such is freaky looking.
With their eyes cut out looks if they have no soul. weird

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I still love America...for what it USED to stand for and I think most of those people do too. Yeah, there are some there that are doing the globalists a favor and want a global government.

I can't bring myself to trust Bush, Cheney or even congress anymore. This country is doomed unless we restore Constitutional law 100%.

Anything else is questionable and even tyrannical.

They have shown time and time again that they are incabable of keeping their oath of office. Therefore they are traitors in my eyes.

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http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml

Check out this pretty funny Flash movie about the most likely way Gulf War 2 will escalate into WW3....

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That is too damn funny!!!

Funny but TRUE too!!!!! That's exactly what the globalists want.

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U.S. - IRAQ INVASION LIKELY TO BEGIN WITH STATE of the UNION, Tuesday

by
Michael C. Ruppert
www.fromthewilderness.com

January 24, 2003, 1930 PST (FTW) - Serious international developments are indicating that the first stages of the U.S. invasion of Iraq will begin unilaterally no later than next Wednesday and most likely as the President delivers his State of the Union address to Congress on Tuesday night.

The Associated Press reported today, in a story little noticed by mainstream American press, that the Japanese government had today urged all Japanese citizens to leave Iraq as soon as possible. Japan has large numbers of its nationals working in Iraq in various trade and oil-related business ventures. According to a second report today on CNN Headline News the Japanese advisory was specific that all Japanese citizens should be out of the country by next Wednesday at the latest.

The Japanese alert was followed by a simultaneous advisory from the U.S. State Department issuing a worldwide alert to all Americans traveling overseas. According to another AP story, State Department officials tried to downplay the significance of the warning, "but officials were unable to say when the last such advisory had been issued." A worldwide alert for U.S. citizens is extremely rare and suggests that the administration is concerned about a global backlash against Americans traveling overseas. Cautionary advisories are normally isolated to specific countries or geographic regions.

The invasion of Iraq will most likely commence with a massive aerial campaign in which the U.N. and many military analysts have predicted widespread collateral damage with heavy civilian casualties. One recent UN estimate suggested that the total Iraqi casualty count for the entire operation could exceed 500,000.

This decision should not be taken as a surprise. In recent weeks support for the obvious U.S. intentions, both worldwide and at home, has been declining rapidly. At the time this story was written a contemporaneous CNN poll showed that 62% of those responding believed that the United States should not attack Iraq without UN approval. Politically, the Bush administration has seen that this situation is not going to improve. Every delay in an attack to which the administration has already committed not only risks greater military, political and economic opposition but also increases the risk that U.S. ground forces will be engaged in desert fighting in hot summer weather. Recent moves by both the French and Russian governments to approve new trade and development agreements with the Hussein government might also weaken U.S. economic control in a post-Saddam regime.

With crude oil prices at two-year highs and with U.S. oil reserves at 27-year lows the signs of a crumbling U.S. economy made themselves felt again today with a more than 200 point drop in the Dow Jones Industrial average. The Bush administration has apparently decided to roll the dice now in a go-for-broke imperial conquest that has as its primary objective the immediate control of 11 per cent of the world's oil reserves.

In many previous stories FTW has documented how the Iraqi invasion is but the first in a series of sequential worldwide military campaigns to which the United States has committed. All of these are based upon globally dwindling oil supplies and the pending economic and human consequences of that reality. On January 21st, CNN Headline News acknowledged, for the first time, the reality of Peak Oil and accurately stated that "all the cheap oil there is has been found." The story also acknowledged that there was only enough oil left to sustain the planet for thirty to forty years and that what oil remained was going to become increasingly more expensive to produce and deliver.

It is likely that the resiliency of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, in his effort to resist U.S.-inspired strikes by wealthy Venezuelan industrialists, has had an impact on this decision by the Bush administration. Venezuela, which is the third largest foreign importer of oil to the U.S., has seen its U.S. deliveries cut to a fraction of normal levels in recent weeks. Within the last week oil analysts have been predicting shortages and price spikes similar to those of 1973-4 if U.S. oil stocks were not replenished quickly. The administration's apparent decision to launch the attacks against Iraq appears to be at least a partial acknowledgement that Chavez is successfully resisting U.S. pressure to oust him.

Chavez angered multinational investors and financiers recently by moving to increase the share of oil profits retained in Venezuela for the benefit of its people.

Today's announcements signal that the world is entering a period of danger not seen for forty years. That the announcements from the Japanese government and the State Department came on the same day that the Department of Homeland Security became active and its Secretary Tom Ridge was sworn in seems an unlikely coincidence. Previous reporting from FTW had indicated that even massive protests and non-violent global resistance would prove ineffective in preventing an Iraqi invasion. And our predictions that the Bush junta had prepared for all the worst-case scenarios, including domestic unrest and worldwide opposition appear to be vindicated.

The administration has clearly issued a statement to the world. "Screw you. We're going to play this game any way you want to play it. And we're ready for anything that comes."

WATCH OUT FOR A POSSIBLE BIO ATTACK THIS WEEKEND OR MONDAY.....GOD KNOWS BUSH NEEDS ONE.

GET IT?



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theseeker
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3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 01-25-2003 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
big hypocrisy here...

ol' mech says bush and the U.S are saying screw you to the world....

well aren't you against the world mech, the NWO and all ?

your just a bush basher and a U.S hater...and a anarchist hypocrite...

I say screw you to the world all the time, when I choose to buy American...

screw you world and screw you mech !

man that felt good !

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posted 01-25-2003 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL! Your hero Bush is one step closer to being out the door. This is only the beginning.

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