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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-19-2003 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Calling Bu$h a "Christian" is like calling Hitler a humanitarian.

Him and all of his Neo-con NWO/CFR scum should be booted out of Washington with Rummy and Wolf-a-wits in tow.

[Edited 3 times, lastly by Mech on 03-20-2003]

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Proud Veteran
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United States
205 posts, Jan 2003

posted 03-19-2003 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Proud Veteran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not to mention you slamming LuLu and cussing at her the way you did. Shame Shame. I don't lie Mech, I see the truth when some people's hate and anger come out in their posts. You are so blinded by hate you can't see the truth jumping out at you.

Swamp, I hate to see us go to war but I really believe this has to be done now. This idiot needs to be removed from the earth along with the little guy in Korea.

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Houston, TX
2621 posts, Jul 2000

posted 03-19-2003 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Email Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here we go...

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 07:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

NO PROOF WHATSOEVER....NO PROOF that I "slammed servicemen."

You are a liar.

You have to bring up something that has already been resolved long ago between Lulu and I.

Anything to smear those who disagree with you...right PV?

Talk about desperation

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 07:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thursday, March 20, 2003. 11:39:53 (AEDT).
Gulf war veterans return medals in protest

Two ex-servicemen in the 1991 Gulf War have handed back their medals to federal politicians in Canberra.

Magnus Mansie and Brett Jones are opposed to Australia's involvement in Iraq.

They have given their medals to Greens, Labor and Democrats MPs, saying the Prime Minister has refused to meet with them.

Mr Mansie says the United States helped create the monster it is now trying to destroy.

"Saddam Hussein was armed by the Americans, the British, the French, they created this guy and it was all very well while he was serving their needs in the war against Iran," he said.

"Then the guy gets a little bit out of line and they try and pull him in. Who created this man? Who created the power that he has?"

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mike Ferner in Iraq - Dust Storms of Depleted Uranium
Mike Ferner (February 2003)

AT THE SAFWAN, IRAQ BORDER CHECKPOINT WITH KUWAIT--Congressional Medal of Honor winner and Viet Nam vet, Charlie Liteky, reflecting on his peace mission to this outpost today, said, "I feel very glad to be here doing what we can for peace, but it's the people here who are taking all the risks."

That statement, mentioned casually in the lobby of Basra's modest Al-Iyoon Hotel, was true enough. But the dust storm that descended on this southernmost section of Iraq within minutes of Liteky's comment, dimming even the hotel corridors, gave us a gritty taste of what life has been like here since the 1991 Persian Gulf War.

Dust storms are of course common here, and some members of this Iraq Peace Team (IPT) delegation had weathered them in other places. But perhaps nowhere else on Earth is the dust so deadly. That's because DU, or depleted uranium, was the weapon of choice used here 12 years ago-over 300 tons of it.The wrecks of vehicles destroyed with depleted uranium weapons by U.S. pilots over the past 12 years litter a junkyard in the southern Iraqi desert near Safwan village. The U.S. has fired more than 300 tons of radioactive and carcinogenic uranium into Iraq since 1991.

DU, a radioactive, carcinogenic by-product of nuclear reactors, is used to make armor-piercing bullets. Its heavy weight lets it cut through tanks and armoured personnel carriers like a hot knife through butter. Unfortunately for combat soldiers and hapless civilians living in former war zones, it emits alpha particles that are particularly effective in causing cancer once they get inside the body. DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years.

And getting inside the body is exactly what DU seems to be doing since bursting onto the scene here.

UN statistics published in the British Medical Journal describe a sevenfold increase in cancer in southern Iraq between 1989 and 1994. Cancer specialist Dr. Jawad Al-Ali, a member of the Royal College of Physicians in Britain, and a cancer specialist at Saddam Teaching Hospital in Basra, reported that Iraqi medical studies show that "more than 40 per cent of the population in this area will get cancer in five years' time." She added that "most of my own family now has cancer, and we have no history of the disease. It has spread to the medical staff of this hospital. We are living through another Hiroshima... We suspect depleted uranium. There simply can be no other explanation."

Combined with more than a decade of harsh economic sanctions, Iraqis continue to get sick and die from a war most Americans thought was incredibly short in duration and "surgical" in its execution.

Dr. Doug Rokke, Professor of Nuclear Physics and an Army health physicist on the command staff of the 1991 Persian Gulf depleted uranium cleanup team has said, "DU is the stuff of nightmares. It is toxic, radioactive and pollutes for 4500 million years. It causes lymphoma, neuropsychological disorders and short-term memory damage. In semen, it causes birth defects... This whole thing is a crime against God and humanity." Of the original 100 primary members of Dr. Rokke's team, 30 have since died, and many of the others, including Rokke who has 5000 times the permissible level of radiation in his body, have serious health problems.

After today, Dr. Rokke's words have taken on much greater significance.

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
16 CIVILIANS Dead in Iraq.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mech on 03-20-2003]

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. military Special Operations helicopter made a crash landing in southern Iraq (news - web sites) early on Thursday but the crew and elite troops aboard were rescued, U.S. officials said.

The crash of the MH-53 "Pave Low" special operations helicopter was the first known loss of an American aircraft in the war against Iraq. It occurred before U.S. bombing and cruise missile raids were launched against targets on the outskirts of Baghdad before dawn, officials told Reuters.

The U.S. officials refused to say exactly where the "hard landing" occurred or how many troops were aboard in addition to six crewmembers. They said the twin-engine helicopter would be destroyed to keep its high-tech equipment from falling into Iraqi hands.

The heavily-armed helicopter, designed for clandestine, low-level movement deep into enemy territory, was part of a wide thrust to get elite U.S. forces into areas of Iraq ahead of a major ground invasion "at the appropriate time," according to one of the officials, who asked not to be identified.

The Pentagon refused comment. "We do not discuss any operational incidents," said Bryan Whitman, a Defense Department spokesman, in response to questions.

The MH-53J, most advanced version of the big chopper, is equipped with armor plating and a combination of three 7.62mm miniguns or 50 caliber machine guns. It can transport 38 troops, but the number aboard at the time of the crash was not known.

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Proud Veteran
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United States
205 posts, Jan 2003

posted 03-20-2003 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Proud Veteran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awwwww, lighten up Mech, I just noticed that no one has rattled your chain for a while and that you have been pretty well behaved. I don't want this happening to you:

Have a nice day

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

March 18, 2003, 8:52 PM EST,0,1436145.column

Of course he supports the troops.

He hopes our fighting men and women come home safely.

And soon.

"It's not like they sent themselves over there," Charley Richardson was saying Tuesday.

But with George W. Bush about to order a massive military assault on Iraq, here is one American with a highly personal reason to support the men and women who will carry out that attack -- while opposing just as strenuously the policy they must execute.

The reason is Joe.

Joseph Richardson, USMC, Charley's 25-year-old son.

A radio-reconnaissance commando in the United States Marines, Joe is one of the 250,000 American troops now stationed in the Persian Gulf, waiting for word from their commander-in-chief.

Word that is expected quite soon now.

Word that the most powerful military in the history of the planet will attack, conquer and occupy Saddam Hussein's Iraq, replacing the current government with one that the Bush administration will choose.

Support the troops, oppose the war: For Charley Richardson, that's where real patriotism lies, as he and his son wait for their president's call.

"Why do people have such a hard time with this concept?" this one Marine father asked. "If I saw my son getting into a car with a drunk driver, I would lay down in the middle of the street to keep that car from moving. I would do anything I could.

"For me to stand on the side of the road and salute would be ridiculous." Opposition to this war is deep and wide.

The United Nations wouldn't back it. The president's "coalition of the willing" could meet in a midsize van. To the rest of the world, it is looking like a "coalition of the bullied and the bought."

Who knows how long the occupation will last? Who knows what the war will cost in money and lives? Who know what future terrorism will be provoked?

With the exception of Britain, hardly any of our old friends are with us. Tony Blair alone is sending troops. And even in Britain, fourth-fifths of the people are convinced their prime minister is wrong.

At home, Bush still has a majority, as is usually the case when an American president takes his country toward war. But the polls say Americans are far from comfortable about our isolated attack. And the voices of opposition have grown louder in recent days. They are unlikely to be quieted by that old pro-war admonition: Hold your tongue while our boys are in harm's way.

Tuesday, the major anti-war groups announced robust protest plans. Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor now lighting up the Democratic presidential race, vowed to stay on the case.

"I went to Parris Island so I could look into the faces of the kids who will be sent to Iraq," Dean told a cheering lunchtime crowd in Concord, N.H. "We should always support our kids, but I do not support this president's policies and I will continue to say so."

Even Tom Daschle, the Democratic leader in the Senate, made clear that he hadn't lost his voice just because the fighting is near.

"I'm saddened that the president failed so miserably at diplomacy that we are now forced to war," Daschle told a union audience in Washington. "Saddened that we have to give up one life because this president couldn't create the kind of diplomatic effort that was so critical for our country."

But Dean and Daschle are just politicians. It's the families who understand these questions best.

"Support our troops, bring them home now," said Nancy Lessin, Joe Richardson's stepmother. "That says it all. Going to war is not a military decision. It is a political decision. The soldiers did not have a voice in making it."

She and Joe's father got an e-mail from their son on Monday night, saying communication home was about to be cut off. "Joe said, 'Don't worry if you don't hear from me for while,'" his stepmom said.

"Don't worry?" she asked, leaving the question hanging in the wartime air.

"You have to make judgments about the act of war, even when a family member is involved," Charley Richardson said. "Is it a just war? Is it well advised? If not, then what you have to do is protect the troops by getting them home.

"Or not sending them in the first place. That's real support."

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

By Ron Fournier in Washington,5936,6155737%255E1702,00.html


THE war against Iraq would be as short as possible, but Americans must be prepared for loss of life, the White House has said.

The warning came as the deadline neared for Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to flee or face military strikes.

US President George W. Bush met with his war council and the White House sent Congress formal notification of justification for war.

The three-paragraph document said diplomacy had failed to protect America's security and linked Saddam's regime with the al-Qaeda network implicated in the September 11, 2001, terror attacks.

"On the brink of war with Iraq, Americans should be prepared for what we hope will be as precise (and) short a conflict as possible," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said today.

"But there are many unknowns and it could be a matter of some duration. We do not know.

"Americans ought to be prepared for loss of life.

"Americans ought to be prepared for the importance of disarming Saddam Hussein to protect the peace."

Bush has given Saddam until noon today (AEDT) to flee or face war.

Aides said Bush would decide on the timing of military action based on the advice of military leaders.

The president met today with Vice President Dick Cheney, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and other members of his foreign policy team.

He was later due to see New York officials to discuss efforts to prepare the US for potential terrorist attacks.

Bush has warned that terrorists might retaliate for a US attack on Iraq.

Meanwhile, the White House released a letter Bush sent to Congress, in compliance with a war resolution approved by lawmakers last year, which outlined his rationale for military conflict.

It said diplomacy had failed to force Iraq to comply with United Nations resolutions on disarmament and had failed to protect America's interests.

It also said the Constitution gave the president authority to take "necessary actions" against international terrorists and terrorist organisations, including nations, organisations and people who planned, authorised, committed or aided the September 11 attacks.

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ice behaving badly

right here
2440 posts, Dec 2000

posted 03-20-2003 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lulu   Email Lulu   Visit Lulu's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for sending this to me today Brian!

The Game of War

By Brian Scott - 1967

Dedicated to the mothers

of our small world

Is it not a thing of shame to witness

man play at wars game

Is it not eternal peace that someday

we all must seek

But if there is to be a war - then

make their battles with wooden

sticks - instead of guns

that kill so quick

So mothers may say of wars great

shame - my son came home

to rest from his game

Yes - it is a very small world and

I would like to think that my

son can come home to

rest from his game!

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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County

Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002

posted 03-20-2003 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Proud Veteran:
This idiot needs to be removed from the earth along with the little guy in Korea.

The idiot, of course, is Bush.

Just a question PV, what person were you in Rome or Nazi Germany? They were bent on world conquest, but fooled the population initially, then the empires collaspsed. This will happen to AmeriKKKa also, if we don't stop these dogs of war. POWER is an intoxicant, aphrodisiac, and is highly addictive. Why will Bush and Company stop at Iraq? When will it stop? At Russia and China's borders. The U.S. is a bully, and like the bully will be stopped by someone tougher.

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just love how arrogant these old, impotent, viagra eating murderers think we are just going to waltz right into Bagdad and colonize their hearts and minds.

I think the Arab people know better.The only thing I hear out of mainstream media is how wonderful our high-tech weapons are and how much of a "surgical" war it's going to be.

This war could wind up making Hiroshima look like a picnic.

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
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posted 03-20-2003 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County

Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002

posted 03-20-2003 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mech, This is exactly what is at the bottom of it... Penis

Missles, penetrating enemy territory, shooting, and power. A bunch of dried up Cowboys and Aryans.

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Officers ready to make arrests if demonstrators clash, or if actions turn unruly

March 19, 2003


Police throughout Sonoma County are mobilizing in anticipation of increasingly contentious demonstrations as war against Iraq appears imminent.

The Peace and Justice Center of Sonoma County has called an "emergency vigil" today in Old Courthouse Square and Sonoma State University organizers have planned a march from the school to downtown Cotati. Both events are scheduled for 5 p.m., the U.S. deadline for Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq.

Other demonstrations are being organized, and spontaneous protests are likely to break out, activists said.

Some activists have called for civil disobedience at the John F. Shea Federal Building in Santa Rosa, blocking various streets or demonstrations at businesses that may have an economic interest in war.

Demonstrators in support of U.S. policy or simply supporting the troops have escalated their activity, too, with a yellow-ribbon rally scheduled Thursday evening in Healdsburg's plaza and a rally planned Saturday for Santa Rosa's Old Courthouse Square that organizer David Chu said could attract as many as 2,000.

Local demonstrations have become more emotional as the threat of war looms closer, particularly when opposing sides meet face to face like Friday night in Old Courthouse Square, when minor verbal skirmishes ensued.

In response, police in Santa Rosa, Petaluma and other cities are brushing up on their "defensive tactics" in preparation for potential civil disobedience and possible confrontations between opposing demonstrators.

If demonstrations become too rowdy, Santa Rosa police have a plan to call out extra officers trained in crowd control, dogs and perhaps the horse patrol.

"We'll ramp up as necessary," said Cmdr. Rod Sverko. "We have sufficient people to handle a crowd if it becomes unruly. We have a plan we can put into action within minutes."

Officers will arrest protesters if they refuse orders to disperse or become too unruly, said Santa Rosa Sgt. Tony Wynne.

"If protesters block entrances, block traffic or are disruptive to businesses, we really don't have any other recourse," he said.

Interim Petaluma Police Chief Tom Simms said his officers anticipate continued peaceful protests at one of the city's busiest intersections, but are ready if things turn disruptive.

"We would prefer not to get in the middle of it," he said. "But if your intention is to get arrested, do it peacefully and we'll do it quickly."

Arrests have been rare, but some activists said it may take mass arrests to make their point.

A dozen anti-war protesters, including five high school students, were taken into custody March 5 when they refused to leave the military recruiting center in downtown Santa Rosa. Some said they needed to escalate protests that had become more like parades.

"I've never been in jail in my life, and I'm going to jail for this cause," said 76-year-old Santa Rosa resident Bill Evans. "I'm going to stand up and say it's wrong. I'll do whatever it takes to try to disrupt everyday normal activities."

Evans, a World War II veteran who turned peace activist after the Vietnam War, has attended three San Francisco protests.

Elizabeth Stinson of the Peace and Justice Center encourages people to hold true to nonviolent ideals.

"People in Sonoma County are more than willing to go to jail for what they believe in," she said. "But hopefully, the numbers and the critical mass that we're building will support the overall intent -- that nonviolence is the answer."

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

LONDON (Reuters) - A wave of anti-war protests began to roll across Europe and the Middle East on Thursday after the opening salvos of the war against Iraq sparked angry demonstrations in Asia and Australia.

Barely three hours after the first U.S. missiles struck Baghdad, a crowd that organizers put at 40,000 and which police said numbered "tens of thousands" brought Australia's second largest city, Melbourne, to a standstill.

In Germany, 50,000 school students marched from Berlin's central Alexanderplatz past the guarded U.S. embassy and through the Brandenburg Gate.

The crowd whistled and chanted and carried banners saying "Stop the Bush fire," "George W. Hitler," "No blood for oil."

"The war is illegal and it should be resolved by the United Nations," said 18-year-old David Stassek, carrying a banner that read: "Stop U.S. imperialism." Pia Telschow, a 14-year-old from Berlin, said: "Bush is just carrying on his father's war."

Bigger demonstrations were planned for later on Thursday in the capital and in dozens of other towns and cities. Some 5,000 pupils were also demonstrating in Cologne.

In France, the most vocal Western opponent of the war, a string of organisations planned a 1700 GMT rally outside the U.S. embassy in Paris. The mission was barricaded off to the public by mid-morning and surrounded with 15-20 police vans, a water cannon and scores of police, some with riot shields.

By midday a small group of pro-Iraqi protestors had gathered at the adjacent Place de la Concorde and were joined by some 70 students from an Iraqi secondary school who shouted "Bush-Blair Assassins!" and other chants in Arabic.

In Italy, anti-war activists and labor unions staged demonstrations and downed tools. Protesters in Milan held a vigil in front of the city's cathedral while in Venice and Rome groups of hundreds gathered for spontaneous sit-ins.

"We want to bring cities to a standstill," said Luca Casarini, one of the organizers. "We don't want people to get used to the idea of war, to think it's normal."

Thousands more were expected to take part in a march to the U.S. embassy in Rome in the afternoon. Public sector workers declared a day-long strike while Italy's three biggest unions, with a combined 11 million members, said they would strike for two hours to protest against the attacks.

In Greece, where there is bitter public and government opposition to the attack on Iraq, the center of Athens was turned into a huge protest arena. Nearly 10,000 people including many schoolchildren gathered to march to the U.S. embassy. Greek police rushed reinforcements to the embassy to protect it.


British anti-war campaigners blocked roads, boycotted schools and workplaces, and began gathering in public places.

"I am surprised how quickly the protests have kicked off," John Rees, of the umbrella Stop the War Coalition, said as he dashed to a gathering in London's Parliament Square.

In Spain, several hundred chanting demonstrators gathered outside the U.S. embassy in Madrid.

Austria's capital Vienna saw a protest march by thousands of schoolchildren. Some 20 towns in Switzerland were preparing for demonstrations, with students and school pupils boycotting studies.


In the Gaza Strip, Palestinian children marched in the Rafah refugee camp, holding Iraqi flags and posters of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, and setting fire to Israeli and U.S. flags.

About 150 people marched in the West Bank city of Bethlehem waving Iraqi and Palestinian flags and carrying portraits of Saddam.

Egyptian police in Cairo's central Tahrir Square beat back protesters trying to reach the nearby U.S. embassy and cordoned off the area, restoring order, security sources said.

Australia, a staunch ally of the United States, deployed armed police for the first time around parliament in Canberra and increased their presence at U.S. diplomatic missions.


Anti-American sentiment was stronger still in Muslim Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan, where many saw the attack as the beginning of an American campaign to subjugate the Islamic world and seize control of oil.

In Pakistan there were scattered but peaceful rallies across the country against what some called "American terrorism."

Hundreds of people took to the streets of the commercial hub of Karachi, the cities of Multan and Lahore, and Peshawar on the northwest frontier with Afghanistan, as well as Rawalpindi.

Indonesia's biggest rally was in Jakarta, where 2,000 people from a conservative Muslim party sang and chanted anti-American slogans outside the heavily-fortified U.S. embassy. There were also protests in the cities of Bandung, Yogyakarta and Makassar. Local radio said police in the central Java city of Semarang had clashed with 50 students after they burned an effigy of President Bush. Several students were slightly hurt.

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Resisting the NWO

Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 03-20-2003 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's top diplomat called America's military attack on Iraq "unjustifiable and illegitimate," and elsewhere Arabs angry at what they saw as an assault on fellow Arabs predicted the United States would ultimately be defeated.

But Iraqi exile Faisal Fikri called the attack "the moment I have been waiting for all my life: to see the despot gone." Fikri had switched from channel to channel through the night to watch for news of the attack on television in his small apartment in the Egyptian capital.

Fikri left Iraq in 1970 shortly after President Saddam Hussein Baath Party came to power. At the time, Fikri had been accused of plotting with other opposition figures against the new regime.

U.S. President George W. Bush said he launched the attack to strip Iraq of banned weapons of mass destruction, "to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger." U.S. officials said Saddam himself was among the targets of the initial salvoes.

After fighting an eight-year war against Iraq, Iran is no friend of Saddam. But Iran fears that if the United States topples Saddam and replaces him with an administration of its choosing, Washington's influence in the region will grow. Iran and the United States have been estranged since Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution.

"American military operations on Iraq are unjustifiable and illegitimate," Iran's official Islamic Republic News Agency quoted Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi as saying.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran will not enter into action to the benefit of either side," Kharrazi said, adding he was concerned about the authority of the United Nations (news - web sites) being undermined after the United States attacked despite opposition from other members of the U.N. Security Council.

"America's continued disregard of collective wisdom will completely destroy the valuable achievements made over half a century by nations and governments in trying to institutionalize cooperation for peace and security," Kharrazi said.

Mohammed Sadeq, a former Iranian Culture Ministry adviser allied with the country's reformist camp, accused the United States of attacking to take "control of Iraq's energy resources and to fan sectarian and ethnic conflicts in the region."

Iran closed its borders with Iraq shortly after the U.S.-led attack began, Deputy Interior Minister Ahmad Hosseini was quoted as telling IRNA. Hosseini added that so far no refugees had been sighted near the border and reiterated an earlier announcement that Iran would aid any Iraqis fleeing the war on the Iraqi side of the border rather than letting them cross into Iran.

Word of the U.S. attack came as the Egyptian faithful were responding to the first of five daily Muslim prayers. Some worshippers gathering at mosques in the capital an hour or so before the sun rose said they had been up watching the news on television.

"God, you are almighty, you are capable of turning this (war) against" the Americans, said Bashir el-Afesh as he finished his prayers in Cairo.

Kamal Abou Ayta, an Egyptian political activist who has organized anti-war protests in Cairo, called the attack "illegitimate."

"I believe that American soldiers whenever they step on Iraqi soil, they will be defeated," Abou Ayta said in an interview. "I am sure of that."

Egyptian newspapers planned extra editions Thursday. In the Lebanese capital, papers pushed back deadlines to include war news and appeared on newsstands.

Early morning anti-war protests where reported at Cairo University and Al-Azhar University at the latter, a venerable Islamic institution in Cairo, students chanted: "Patience, patience, oh Bush, tomorrow the Muslims will dig your grave."

Shortly after the attack, the U.S. embassies in Doha, Qatar, where the U.S. war command center is located, and in Cairo urged Americans to avoid crowds and demonstrations as part of "prudent steps to ensure their personal safety in the coming days."

In the Palestinian areas, about 700 Palestinians, most of them schoolchildren, waved Iraqi flags and posters of Saddam and burned two U.S. flags after the attack.

The Palestinians in the Gaza town of Beit Hanoun shouted "Death to America, death to Bush," and "We will sacrifice our soul and our blood for Saddam."

Soon after Bush's deadline for Saddam to leave Iraq or face war expired, U.S. forces launched airstrikes deploying cruise missiles and precision-guided bombs early Thursday.

Iraq responded with anti-aircraft artillery and explosions began flashing across Baghdad's skies at around 5:34 a.m. (0234 GMT).

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Northeast USA
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March 18, 2003, 10:46 PM EST

UNIVERSITY HEIGHTS, Ohio -- The government has room to scale back individual rights during wartime without violating the Constitution, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said Tuesday.

"The Constitution just sets minimums," Scalia said after a speech at John Carroll University in suburban Cleveland. "Most of the rights that you enjoy go way beyond what the Constitution requires."

Scalia, one of the court's most conservative judges, was responding to a question about the Justice Department's pursuit of terrorism suspects and whether their rights are being violated.

Scalia did not discuss what rights he believed are constitutionally protected, but said that in wartime, one can expect "the protections will be ratcheted right down to the constitutional minimum. I won't let it go beyond the constitutional minimum."

Scalia was interrupted once briefly by a protester who shouted an anti-war statement. The protester was taken from the room by security officers but was not arrested.

Scalia stopped speaking during the scuffle, then joked that the protest probably was more interesting than his topic, which was the constitutional protection of religions.

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Hundreds of thousands of people around the world marked the first day of a U.S.-led war on Iraq with protests.

There were marches on U.S. embassies in many world capitals, and violent clashes in Cairo, where protesters hurled stones and metal barricades and pounded on cars.

Riot police in the Egyptian capital used water cannons to keep about 1,000 stone-throwing demonstrators from reaching the U.S. embassy.

Numbers swelled to 2,000, and demonstrators shouted "Down with Arab leaders!" and "Leave, leave Mubarak!" in reference to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak an indication of the anger many Arabs feel toward their own governments for failing, in their view, to act strongly enough to avoid war.

By late afternoon, about 5,000 people had regrouped in downtown Cairo's Tahrir Square. As they set out again toward the embassy, police sprayed them with soapy blue water and stone-throwing resumed.

Manila, Athens

Violence also erupted in Manila, Philippines, when police used shields and truncheons to disperse about 300 antiwar activists trying to approach the U.S. Embassy, injuring at least 12 demonstrators, protest leaders said.

Throughout the day, police kept protesters on a road several metres away from the embassy. Demonstrators burned a U.S. flag and portraits of U.S. President George W. Bush and Philippine leader Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, one of the staunchest Asian allies of the U.S.-led war on terrorism.

In Athens, more than 100,000 people, many of them high school and university students, marched to the U.S. Embassy, chanting "No to the war" and "Americans, killers of people." More demonstrations were planned for Friday and the weekend.

In Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair's pro-U.S. stand has upset many, including his own Labour Party supporters, thousands of protesters tied up downtown London traffic.

Students some as young as 14 were among those who sat down on roads outside Parliament, causing police to make several arrests. Hundreds also protested in the cities of Cardiff, Edinburgh, Bristol and Cambridge.

London, Milan

Organizers planning another huge demonstration for Saturday in London hope to rival last month's estimated attendance of more than one million people.

In Italy, a two-hour nationwide general strike was called for late afternoon.

Earlier, students, labour-union members and other protesters marched in several Italian cities. An estimated 45,000 people turned out in Milan. Police in Rome blocked antiwar demonstrators marching up Via Veneto toward the U.S. Embassy, while tens of thousands of students, workers and other Italians blocked highways and train tracks elsewhere.

More than 15,000 protesters marched through Dhaka, Bangladesh, chanting anti-U.S. slogans and burning American and British flags. Bangladesh's leftist forces joined hands with Islamic demonstrators.

Demonstrators also tried to get their points across outside busy capitals. More than 11,000 people marched to the U.S. Consulate in the northern Greek port of Thessaloniki, while 10,000 rallied outside the British Consulate in the western port of Patras.

San Francisco, Washington

There were also antiwar protests in places across the United States, most of them involving no more that 200 people.

Antiwar protesters blocked morning rush-hour traffic in Washington and San Francisco and chanted "No blood for oil" outside the White House on Thursday in reaction to U.S. military strikes against Iraq.

As many as 150 demonstrators temporarily shut down the inbound travel lanes of one of the Potomac River crossings in the U.S. capital, snarling rush-hour traffic. Some 50 demonstrators bicycled through downtown Washington carrying signs that said, "Bikes not Bombs." Three people were arrested.

Outside the White House, about 50 anti-war protesters gathered in the chilly rain, shouting "No blood for oil!" Police blocked the approach to Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House to protesters and pedestrians.

In San Francisco, dozens of protesters were arrested after blocking streets in the city's financial district, snarling traffic. Police and firefighters used power saws to separate protesters linked with metal pipes.

About 200 demonstators marched near U.S. Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld's home in northwest Washington, D.C.

Demonstrators were arrested after sitting down on the street in front of the White House and blocking entrances to government buildings in other cities.

Other protests were staged in New York, Boston, Utah, Chicago, Minneapolis, Ohio, Delaware, Maryland, Detroit, Wisconsin, Arkansas and Nevada.

In New York City, protests in downtown Manhattan Wednesday drew about 300 people.

In Washington state, several hundred people showed up at peace demonstrations in Seattle and Olympia. Eleven protesters were arrested when they refused to leave a mall at closing time.

There were protests on Thursday in several Canadian cities, including Halifax and Toron

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posted 03-20-2003 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as mech continues his disgusting personal anti-American campaign against the U.S to aid terrorists and lend comfort to saddam....seems the Canadians get it....

"At this point I think there is no use debating the reasons why some people think war is necessary and some people think it is not. We should not say anything that would comfort Saddam Hussein," he told reporters

btw that sure don't look like a on topic protest to me kook...with that "save the trees" protest sign and all....thought this was a gulf war thread ?

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posted 03-20-2003 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It says..."We need TREES..not BUSH"

That was a picture from the MASSIVE protest in Berlin this morning.

ANYONE who has enough motivation can check it out for themselves.

As far as your comments of "protesters giving comfort to Saddam?"

ROLFLMAO!!! need your f--king head examined.

Right now..hundreds of tanks are decending on Basra and soon many Iraqi civilians and U.S. Troops will be dropping like flies for Bush's imperialist agenda.

Let the record show that you supported this.

Kiss my 1st Amendment protected veteran @$$ Seeker.

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