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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 03-20-2003 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just dissappointed you didn't participate in the "human shield" for saddam...

I would have enjoyed getting your input on what a tomohawk missle looks like as it descends atop your head...

you traitorous bastard...

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Mech
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posted 03-20-2003 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That sounds typical of your heartless, blood buttered, greedy personality.

Someday you will answer for it..trust me.

Those people over there are not human shields "for saddam." Only a NEO-CON would assume as much.

REAL patriots ask questions.


NOT the armchair Archie Bunker slobs waving the Chinese slavelabor made plastic American flags.


"Traitorous" my @$$.

"The illusion of freedom [in America] will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."
--Frank Zappa




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Mech
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posted 03-20-2003 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THE REAL TRAITOR


Relieved to be finally getting his chance to slaughter Iraqis.

Bush gets off on death

March 20, 2003
George W. Is High on Killing
http://www.davidcogswell.com/


Every once in a while we experience one of those little moments when a small tear breaks through the social fabric and allows us a glimpse of its underlying workings.

A Knight Ridder reporter was treated to such a rare glimpse and apparently couldn't resist including it in his story, though it was tangential to the narrative. And no editor cut it out, so we are left with a gem, a glimpse into the strange personality of George W.

The article was a description of Bush's speech announcing that he had ordered strikes to begin on Iraq. Here's the quote: "Minutes before the speech, an internal television monitor showed the president pumping his fist. 'Feels good,' he said."

Dubya is now at the brink of what he has pushed for relentlessly for years, perhaps as far back as 1992 when Bill Clinton was elected and ruined Daddy Bush's chance to continue his agenda and get in a few more armed engagements, which surely would have included a return to Iraq to take revenge for his embarassment over people talking about "the wimp factor" and saying he was a little feminine.

CNN started hyping "Iraq: The Unfinished War" with its own logo back in December 2001 even before George W. took office. It has been a long time coming. It took 911 to clear the way for the war Bush desired so passionately. Now he is so close he can taste it. The blood has begun to flow, and it is exhilarating. Soon he will have Saddam Hussein's head.

We are talking now about a guy who as a kid put firecrackers in frogs and threw them into the air to watch them explode. He cracked himself up in an interview with Talk magazine by mocking a woman on death row whose cries for mercy he scorned, screwing up his face and saying, "Please don't kill me!" in an impersonation of the deceased.

He presided over more executions as governor of Texas than any governor since capital punishment was legalized. His own people said he never spent more than 15 minutes deliberating over whether to sign the order to kill. This included at least one case in which the public defender slept during the trial, and many other cases in which the court-appointed lawyers obviously just took the money and ran, leaving their clients to the mercy of a vicious and corrupt system. This is a man who enjoys killing. He is totally in his element when it comes to killing. Everyone is different. This is the way he is.

It reminds me of something in Ed Sanders' book on the Charles Manson murders The Family, in which Sanders described Manson as one who, even more than the excessive drug use and sex of his little tribe, got off on murder. Some people like it.

Then there was Ted Bundy, the serial killer. In one documentary film, a police detective who had worked to track down Bundy seemed uncharacteristically amazed when he said, "I never encountered anyone who was so consumed with murder."

So here is George preparing to give his speech announcing that the killing has begun in Iraq, the long-awaited moment. And there he is pumping his fist and saying, "Feels good!" It makes perfect sense, too much sense.

That's one for the history books.

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posted 03-20-2003 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Peace Action: Demonstrations for Peace Increase
U.S. Newswire
20 Mar 14:22

Demonstrations for Peace Increase Across Country and World Spurred
by Bush's Unprovoked Attack on Iraq, Peace Movement Gains Momentum
To: National Desk
Contact: Scott Lynch 202-862-9740 x 3030 or 703-725-5680 (cell)
or Kevin Martin, 202-862-9740 x3007
both of Peace Action
http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/qtr1_2003/0320-128.html


WASHINGTON, March 20 /U.S. Newswire/ -- President Bush's
unprovoked attack on Iraq has stimulated an increase in pro-peace
activity throughout the U.S. and around the world. The increase in
activity is a rebuke of the Bush administration's position that
unilateral aggression against Iraq is the way to peace and
disarmament. There are over 500 pro-peace events that are
scheduled, across this country, for today and there are hundreds
more scheduled for this weekend.

"We are dispelling any delusions on the part of the part of the
Bush administration or the right-wing pundits, that this
well-developed, broad based peace movement is going to dry up and
blow away in the face of war and their nationalistic propaganda
blitz. There are Americans turning out in streets of this country
in nearly ever state and country of the Union. We are united! We
stand united, for peace, for America and for our troops," said
Kevin Martin, Executive Director of Peace Action.

-- Peace Action activists across the country are organizing
emergency anti-war demonstrations from Maine to Oregon. Interviews
with local organizers are available through the Peace Action
national office. --

Although the Bush Administration acts as if the only victim of
this war will be Saddam Hussein, it is a fact that war means the
death of innocent people: women, men, children. Peace Action joins
with its partners in the United for Peace and Justice coalition in
encouraging individuals to express anti-war sentiments by wearing
black and yellow armbands or lapel ribbons. The black in the
armbands will symbolize mourning for the thousands of innocent
Iraqi people and U.S. service men and women who will be killed in
this unjust and unnecessary war. The yellow in the armband will
symbolize our support for the American troops and our desire to see
them return home safely.

"In a break with the basic tenets of our democracy and against
the wishes of the community of nations, world religious leaders and
citizens around the globe, the Bush administration has chosen to
attack, without provocation, the country of Iraq. In committing our
troops to fight a war of aggression, outside the rule of law, Bush
has, in an act of malfeasance, put U.S. troops at risk
unnecessarily. We believe the best way to support our troops is to
bring them home now and pursue the alternatives to war that other
nations and world leaders still believe are possible.

Our commitment to peace is redoubled in the face of the terrible
violence that Bush and Blair are in the process of visiting upon
the people of Iraq. To that end we will, in the best traditions of
our democracy, continue to non-violently act for peace," concluded
Martin.

Peace Action (the merger of Sane and The Nuclear Freeze) http://www.peace-action.org is the country's largest peace and
disarmament organization with over 100,000 members.

http://www.usnewswire.com
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/U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770
03/20 14:22

Copyright 2003, U.S. Newswire

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Mech
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posted 03-20-2003 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thousands bring cities to standstill as conflict starts

Britain suffers urban chaos on first full day of action in the Gulf
BILLY BRIGGS
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=509487&t=-1


THOUSANDS of anti-war protesters took to the streets of cities and towns across the UK yesterday to demonstrate against the outbreak of military action in Iraq.

Workers, children, and students were involved in a series of protests that brought many city centres to a standstill on what was the first full day of war in the Gulf.

A number of demonstrations turned ugly when protesters clashed with police and 17 arrests were made.

In London, police drew their truncheons in Parliament Square to turn back a section of a 5000-strong crowd after demonstrators tried to force their way into Whitehall. Officers were pelted with bottles and sticks torn away from banners.

Anti-war protesters who forced a train to stop in Cumbria found it was full of Celtic fans en route to last night's Uefa cup clash at Liverpool. They halted their demonstration when the fans disembarked to see what was causing the hold-up, the anti-war group said.

Scotland's five biggest cities all saw demonstrations. Traffic was brought to a standstill in Glasgow city centre for several hours as around 3000 protesters gathered at George Square and surrounding streets.

An American flag was burned and two men were detained after they threw a bucket of red paint filled with plastic babies at the office of an army recruitment office.

Protesters also blocked rush-hour traffic trying to join the M8 at one of its busiest junctions. Around 200 people stopped cars getting on or off the motorway at Charing Cross, just north of the Kingston bridge.

Angry motorists were involved in furious arguments with some of the demonstrators, and police had to step in to quell tensions.

A police helicopter was deployed last night by Strathclyde Police to check on the movements of the protesters who dispersed to different areas of the city.

Mike Gonzales, 59, a lecturer at Glasgow University, said he had joined the demonstration in an attempt to save the lives of Iraqi citizens.

He said: "I think this protest is the next step in an important movement to demonstrate that we are not convinced by this war."

In Edinburgh, around 500 people marched down to the foot of the Mound for an impromptu rally, which was addressed by MSPs Tommy Sheridan and Lloyd Quinan. Police made several arrests and criticised organisers for failing to agree on a plan or a route for the march.

In Dundee, school students hurled stones at buses, and eggs were thrown at police lines at the city chambers. Hundreds of schoolchildren stopped traffic on the Tay Road bridge when they held a sit-down protest against the war.

A spokesman for Tayside Police said: "Minor damage was caused, but the majority of the young people involved conducted themselves in a reasonable manner and protested peacefully."

In Aberdeen, protesters forced rush-hour traffic to grind to a halt as they lay down in the middle of Union Street. The main thoroughfare came to a standstill as hundreds of people spilled on to the road to support the lie-down.

Officers from Grampian Police arrived to calm the situation and a number of arrests were made.

Demonstrations also took place in Lerwick and Inverness, and a number of medical staff at Aberdeen Royal Infirmary staged a protest.

Liverpool police were called to remove people, including many schoolchildren, who blocked the Mersey tunnel, and in Manchester, hundreds of demonstrators gathered for a second day of protests.

In Swansea, hundreds of pupils staged classroom sit-ins after being stopped from joining a protest in the city.

In Cambridge, 17 people, including children as young as 14, were arrested after a day of protests in the city. The group was arrested after more than 400 demonstrators sat down and brought traffic to a halt.

Many other places around the UK witnessed spontaneous protests, and the government's own civil service staff joined lunchtime anti-war events. The Home Office, the department of food and rural affairs, the Scotland Office, Inland Revenue, and John Prescott's office were all affected.

Tony Blair's official spokesman said that the prime minister was aware of the protests.

He added: "He has always accepted that there are different views in relation to this debate and he has always respected people's right to express those views."

In Scotland, a political row broke out after officials at West Dunbartonshire Council defended its decision to let some of its staff participate in yesterday's protests.

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 03-20-2003 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
again if there is a moderator that has a pair, the title of this thread is gulf war II, in the first page there, NO mention of peace protests, or protests of any kind...

mech is once again turning every thread here into a peace protest nwo thread...

I am sick of the hypocrisy of kook with regards to "on topic discussion" as long as it fits her agenda...

a fair and balanced mod she is not...

why don't we just rename this to mech central...and make all the bush bashing America hating regular posters happy ?

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Molliani
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Illinois
346 posts, Mar 2001

posted 03-20-2003 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Molliani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What an ourtageous post -
Seeker you've managed to rise above your benchmark.

If our so called leaders cared as much for this country and the constitution as Mech and Fla Kook . . . there would be no need
for this thread.

Fla Kook is one of the best moderator's C.C has ever had - she is more than fair and has plenty of integrity too.

BTW - Chicago had a great turn out of
peaceful protesters today - they're still out
in full force. While they've tied up traffic -
everyone is honking and giving a thumbs up in support.

Pray for our troops, send letters of support, send care packages, and carry on with peaceful protests.

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 03-20-2003 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
therm, lulu...after that I'm not the slightest bit impressed...

and I think you mistook the "thumb's up" for the "middle finger"....moll...by the way where's the other half of dumb and dumber...david ?

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Mech
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posted 03-20-2003 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amen to that..


Good for them...good people there in Chicago. And in Iraq.

Can't say the same for the elitists in the White House

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Mech
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posted 03-20-2003 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Remember...it's all about "Freedom"

Right?
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/free.html

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Raelven
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123 posts, Feb 2003

posted 03-20-2003 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raelven   Email Raelven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seek you are right, it's not fair to bash Bush when PNAC is driving him, whispering in his ear day and night with promises of frogs and black market fire-crackers, the kind of bribe no red blooded American boy can refuse!

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Elen síla lumenn' omentielvo!

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posted 03-20-2003 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know what happens when a spoiled-rotten rich baby gets his toys taken away from him or doesn't get his way.

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posted 03-21-2003 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Proud Veteran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
" Relieved to be finally getting his chance to slaughter Iraqis. "

" Bush gets off on death "

Hey Mech, chew on this a bit. Seems like the tyrant we are now trying to oust has a bit of a history of actually killing fellow countrymen and women. YOU ARE DEFINATELY A TRAITOR TO THIS COUNTRY. You need to go there and be a part of the human shield like T/S said. Prove to me that Bush has killed anyone or ordered the killing of anyone. All your posts from pieces written by disgruntled former government workers are nothing but the work of people who want to stir shit in this country and degrade it. I believe in the right to free speech, I believe in the United States of America, and I support the Constitution and our military. You need to go find some little commune and smoke all the dope you want, and protest in your own little way in your own little alterd state of mind. Your hate for this country has blinded you. I know there is dirty laundry in every administration and they all have their skeletons hidden away in their closets but that seems to be the way it is. If you want to change it get out and vote or run for office. You'll never do that because you'll be to busy running from real life.


http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/05/bowden.htm


The flood has reached its climax and after the destruction, terror, murder, and sacrilege practiced by the aggressive, terrorist, and criminal Zionist entity, together with its tyrannical ally, the U.S., have come to a head against our brothers and our faithful struggling people in plundered Palestine. If evil achieves its objectives there, Allah forbid, its gluttony for more will increase and it will afflict our people and other parts of our wide homeland too.

—Saddam Hussein, in a televised address to the Iraqi people, December 15, 2001

In the early 1980s a mid-level Iraqi bureaucrat who worked in the Housing Ministry in Baghdad saw several of his colleagues accused by Saddam's regime of accepting bribes. The accusations, he believes, were probably true. "There was petty corruption in our department," he says. The accused were all sentenced to die.

"All of us in the office were ordered to attend the hanging," says the former bureaucrat, who now lives in London. "I decided I wasn't going to go, but when my friends found out my plans, they called me and urged me to reconsider, warning that my refusal could turn suspicion on me." So he went. He and the others from his office were led into a prison courtyard, where they watched as their colleagues and friends, with whom they had worked for years, with whose children their children played, with whom they had attended parties and picnics, were marched out with sacks tied over their heads. They watched and listened as the accused begged, wept, and protested their innocence from beneath the sacks. One by one they were hanged. The bureaucrat decided then and there to leave Iraq.

"I could not live in a country where such a thing takes place," he says. "It is wrong to accept bribes, and those who do it should be punished by being sent to jail. But to hang them? And to order their friends and colleagues to come watch? No one who has witnessed such cruelty would willingly stay and continue to work under such conditions."

Cruelty is the tyrant's art. He studies and embraces it. His rule is based on fear, but fear is not enough to stop everyone. Some men and women have great courage. They are willing to brave death to oppose him. But the tyrant has ways of countering even this. Among those who do not fear death, some fear torture, disgrace, or humiliation. And even those who do not fear these things for themselves may fear them for their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, wives, and children. The tyrant uses all these tools. He commands not just acts of cruelty but cruel spectacle. So we have Saddam hanging the fourteen alleged Zionist plotters in 1969 in a public square, and leaving their dangling bodies on display. So we have Saddam videotaping the purge in the Baghdad conference hall, and sending the tape to members of his organization throughout the nation. So we have top party leaders forced to witness and even to participate in the executions of their colleagues. When Saddam cracks down on Shia clerics, he executes not just the mullahs but also their families. Pain and humiliation and death become public theater. Ultimately, guilt or innocence doesn't matter, because there is no law or value beyond the tyrant's will; if he wants someone arrested, tortured, tried, and executed, that is sufficient. The exercise not only serves as warning, punishment, or purge but also advertises to his subjects, his enemies, and his potential rivals that he is strong. Compassion, fairness, concern for due process or the law, are all signs of indecision. Indecision means weakness. Cruelty asserts strength.

Among the Zulu, tyrants are said to be "full of blood." According to one estimate, in the third and fourth years of Saddam's formal rule (1981 and 1982) more than 3,000 Iraqis were executed. Saddam's horrors over the more than thirty years of his informal and formal rule will someday warrant a museum and archives. But lost among the most outrageous atrocities are smaller acts that shed light on his personality. Tahir Yahya was the Prime Minister of Iraq when the Baath Party took power, in 1968. It is said that in 1964, when Saddam was in prison, Yahya had arranged for a personal meeting and tried to coerce him into turning against the Baathists and cooperating with the regime. Yahya had served Iraq as a military officer his whole adult life, and had at one time even been a prominent member of the Baath Party, one of Saddam's superiors. But he had earned Saddam's enduring scorn. After seizing power, Saddam had Yahya, a well-educated man whose sophistication he resented, confined to prison. On his orders Yahya was assigned to push a wheelbarrow from cell to cell, collecting the prisoners' slop buckets. He would call out "Rubbish! Rubbish!" The former Prime Minister's humiliation was a source of delight to Saddam until the day Yahya died, in prison. He still likes to tell the story, chuckling over the words "Rubbish! Rubbish!"

In another case Lieutenant General Omar al-Hazzaa was overheard speaking ill of the Great Uncle in 1990. He was not just sentenced to death. Saddam ordered that prior to his execution his tongue be cut out; for good measure, he also executed al-Hazzaa's son, Farouq. Al-Hazzaa's homes were bulldozed, and his wife and other children left on the street.

Saddam is realistic about the brutal reprisals that would be unleashed should he ever lose his grip on power. In their book Out of the Ashes (1999), Andrew and Patrick Cockburn tell of a family that complained to Saddam that one of their members had been unjustly executed. He was unapologetic, and told them, "Do not think you will get revenge. If you ever have the chance, by the time you get to us there will not be a sliver of flesh left on our bodies." In other words, if he ever becomes vulnerable, his enemies will quickly devour him.

Even if Saddam is right that greatness is his destiny, his legend will be colored by cruelty. It is something he sees as regrettable, perhaps, but necessary—a trait that defines his stature. A lesser man would lack the stomach for it. His son Uday once boasted to a childhood playmate that he and his brother, Qusay, had been taken to prisons by their father to witness torture and executions—to toughen them up for "the difficult tasks ahead," he said.




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posted 03-21-2003 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bush loved to execute people as governor. Why else would he have made fun of someone who was about to die?

WHY do you keep making excuses for this @$$#0l3..?

We all know Saddam is bad and how the US and others made him what he is. Now BUSH want's him out so they can install another pinochet' type dictator that's easier for the US to control...after all...there is money to be made and kingdoms to secure. Control over that part of the world will also make it easier for the Jews to squash the Palestinians.

Funny how the Bush Administration could care less about how OTHER brutal regimes around the world we do buisness with treat their citizens. I guess as long as they are pliant puppets then there is no need to attack them.


The US has no buisness being in Iraq...PERIOD.

As for your comments about being a traitor...well that's all in the eye of the beholder. Rednecks and goons said the same things about the protesters during the Vietnam war...ANOTHER war that should have never happened. As for you comments about "communes" and "dope"...No thanks, I'm straight.

Killing for profit is wrong, neocolonialism is wrong, dominion is wrong, bombing a country that did not attack us first is wrong.

It's very TREASONOUS....and UnAmerican

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posted 03-21-2003 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THE BACKLASH BEGINS......


Backlash Begins
GNN, Wire Services, March 20, 2003

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"We are going to be in such a fix when this war is over, or before this war is over. Our grandchildren's grandchildren are going to be paying for this war. I look at our future as, I'm sorry, being very, very dark." - Walter Cronkite, March 19, 2003

******************************************************************* http://www.guerrillanews.com/war_on_terrorism/doc1199.html

Thomas Friedman in The New York Times called Wednesday this generation’s D-Day. But for most Americans, the invasion is just another reality TV program, without the sex.

American tax dollars paid for the bombs, so we're glued to our TV sets, trying to get our money’s worth. Bush politely waited until after American Idol wrapped up to issue his four-minute kick-off speech.

The networks seem to have become a full-employment program for retired soldiers, every channel features their own white-haired, old codger holding forth on the “real deal” of war to our expertly coiffed presenters. Fox News Channel even has ol' Ollie North (U.S. Marines, Retired), the disgraced Iran-Contra criminal, reporting live in a gas mask via video phone from Kuwait.

The peace movement appears to be scrambling to find a response. Code Pink, a group of angry women, said they will march outside Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s home in suburban Washington this weekend, I guess in an effort to take their message to our leaders’ domestic help. A protestor hanging a banner fell to his death from the Golden Gate Bridge, a bad omen if there ever was one.

The one piece of good news: The print media has really stepped up, providing valuable perspective and cutting critiques. Bob Herbert writes in today's Times:

"There is tremendous unease at the highest levels of the Pentagon about this war and its aftermath. The president and his civilian advisers are making a big deal about the anticipated rejoicing of the liberated populace once the war is over. But Iraq is an inherently unstable place, and while the forces assembled to chase Saddam from power are superbly trained for combat, the military is not well prepared for a long-term occupation in the most volatile region in the world.

What's driving this war is President Bush's Manichaean view of the world and messianic vision of himself, the dangerously grandiose perception of American power held by his saber-rattling advisers, and the irresistible lure of Iraq's enormous oil reserves.

Polls show that the public is terribly confused about what's going on, so much so that some 40 percent believe that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. That's really scary. Rather than correct this misconception, the administration has gone out of its way to reinforce it."

Backlash Begins

Anti-war protests erupted across the globe following the start of the U.S.-led war against Iraq, with hundreds of thousands expected to march to demand a quick end to air strikes on Baghdad.

An Australian uses his surfboard as a placard as thousands march towards the U.S. Consulate and the Prime Minister's office in Sydney, March 20, 2003. A wave of anti-war protests began to roll across Europe and the Middle East on Thursday after the opening salvos of the war against Iraq sparked angry demonstrations in Asia and Australia. Barely three hours after the first U.S. missiles struck Baghdad, a crowd that organizers put at 40,000 and which police said numbered 'tens of thousands' brought Australia's second largest city, Melbourne, to a standstill.

Between 80,000 and 100,000 demonstrators thronged central Athens in response to the launch of targetted strikes against Iraqi targets, according to initial police estimates, but organizers put the figure at at least 200,000.

"It's unprecedented. People continue coming," said Vera Michailidou of the leftist anti-globalization group Action 2003, as protestors marched past the British embassy to the US mission, both heavily guarded by riot police.

Greek demonstrators, many of them high school students, adopted "Bush -- killer" as their slogan of choice, condemning US President George W. Bush for attempting to disarm Iraq and topple Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein by force.

Anti-war groups around the world have organized protests on Thursday to voice anger over the way in which Washington and London have defied popular opposition to launch a second Gulf war.

Millions have marched to oppose the war in past weekends, dogging world leaders that have backed Bush's campaign, like Prime Ministers Tony Blair of Britain, Jose Maria Aznar of Spain and Silvio Berlusconi of Italy.

The protest in Athens, the biggest so far for the day, followed angry anti-U.S. demonstrations across Pakistan and spirited marches in Australia, which has contributed some 2,000 troops to the U.S.-led coalition against Saddam.

"Saddam Hussein is a hero of Muslims," shouted one protestor in the Islamist-ruled city of Peshawar in northwest Pakistan, where hundreds of students, lawyers and journalists denounced U.S. "aggression" in Iraq.

A coalition of secular anti-war groups launched a boycott of U.S. fast food outlets like McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken, which are enormously popular with Pakistanis. More rallies were expected later Thursday.

In Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim-populated nation, about 1,000 protestors gathered outside the heavily guarded U.S. embassy in Jakarta, carrying signs reading, "Bush, go to hell" and "Terrorism No, Justice Yes."

In Australia, thousands took to the streets just hours after the first air strikes against Iraqi targets, with more than 10,000 protesting in central Sydney and 20,000 in the country's second city Melbourne.

One woman was arrested at the U.S. consulate in Melbourne for splashing red paint and scrawling "killing has started" on statues outside the building, police said.

"It's about sending the Americans a message, and this is their address," said one demonstrator outside the consulate, Catherine Robson.

Security has been stepped up at U.S. embassies and consulates around the world as many anti-war groups have called for demonstrations outside the diplomatic missions to show contempt for the U.S. insistence on ousting Saddam by force.

Some 20,000 students in Berlin peacefully marched toward the U.S. embassy near the city's Brandenburg Gate, carrying placards reading "Give peace a chance" and "War is not the answer". Another 5,000 students rallied outside the U.S. consulate in the southern city of Munich, with 7,000 demonstrating in Saarbruecken in the west. Peace groups said some 250 protests would be staged in Germany -- where opposition to war in strong -- throughout the day.

Thousands of students streamed out of classrooms across Denmark, Switzerland, Spain and Italy, with Swiss schoolchildren carrying the rainbow-striped flags which have become a symbol for peace in Europe.

In Italy, the country's main unions called for a two-hour general strike due to begin at 3:00 pm (1400 GMT).

The U.S. embassy in central Paris, where French police have set up a tight security cordon, was closed to the public on Thursday ahead of a demonstration planned for 1700 GMT. In Russia, two hundred Communists and ultra-nationalists -- confronted by three times as many police -- decried what they called the "barbaric" U.S.-led military campaign in Iraq, chanting "Yankee go home" and "No to war".

A major protest is planned for Saturday in New York City, following the success of a similar march one month ago that drew around 250,000 demonstrators.

(AFP)


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posted 03-21-2003 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
David is right here monkey boy, whats up?
Miss me? Love me? Wanna talk about it?
Hey seeker, how about meeting me at J.B.'s Steak House for an early dinner tonight? Say around 6-ish?? It would sure beat the hell out of going to McDonalds in town! Clean out the white ford van, we can take a couple more people that way. K?

Oh yeah, one more thing. Please don't wear that camo shirt, you wear it entirely tooooo much! No, not even the 'T' shirt!!

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Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
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B-52's ON THEIR WAY TO BAGHDAD

B-52s Leave U.K. for Likely Iraq Strikes
24 minutes ago
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030321/ap_on_re_mi_ea/war_us_military&cid=540&ncid=1480

By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Heavy B-52 bombers left England Friday, portending major nighttime air strikes against Iraq, two U.S. officials said, as American forces seized important ground in south and western Iraq.

One U.S. official involved in military planning said the B-52s had been scrambled en masse and the air strikes would be bigger than anything seen thus far in the conflict.

In the early hours of the war, the U.S. launched two rounds of cruise missile attacks against Baghdad, but sent only two Stealth bombers over the capital city. The B-52s have played a major role in bombing campaigns dating back to Vietnam.

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BOYCOTT CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS

CLEAR CHANNEL ENGAGES IN CENSORSHIP OF DISSENT

Country music's No. 1 act, The Dixie Chicks, have been pulled from radio playlists thanks to a remark singer Natalie Maines made in London last week.

"Just so you know," Texas native Maines said on stage, "we're ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas." Maines added she felt George W. Bush's foreign policy is alienating the rest of the world.

Her remark unleashed a nationwide backlash. The group's records have been pulled by dozens of country-music stations across the country, including two Clear Channel-owned stations in Jacksonville, WQIK 99.1-FM and WROO 107.3-FM.

"Out of respect for our troops, our city and our listeners, [we] have taken the Dixie Chicks off our playlists," said Gail Austin, Clear Channel's director of programming for the two Jacksonville stations.

That's a big leap in logic, said media expert Dennis Stouse, a Jacksonville University professor and chairman of the school's department of communications. "It doesn't have anything to do with our troops or our city."


Punishing Maines for speaking her mind does not fit into the American idea of democracy, he said. "We should accept the fact that there are viewpoints we don't agree with." Celebrities have as much right to make political commentary as do television pundits, he added.

Maines apologized for the remark last Friday. However, Clear Channel confirmed Tuesday the group's music is still not being aired by either station.

Clear Channel Communications is based in San Antonio, Texas.


THAT DIXIE CHICKS CD IS ONE RECORD I NEED TO GET!



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779 posts, May 2002

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I wish the US population would pay more attention to these B-52's


Also, Boycott Charlie Daniels and Travis Tritt for saying that all musicians that are against the war are traitors and should be thrown off their record labels. They are the traitors to The Constitution




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Elentári


Númenor
123 posts, Feb 2003

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Well said Swamp!
Those are the only B-52's that should exist.

And of course if all the rockers took the time to call those stations and say "play the Chicks!" (like I did!) you'd see some station managers really squirm trying to figure out who brings in more advertising dollars!

quote:

"But Iraq is an inherently unstable place, and while the forces assembled to chase Saddam from power are superbly trained for combat, the military is not well prepared for a long-term occupation in the most volatile region in the world.

What's driving this war is President Bush's Manichaean view of the world and messianic vision of himself, the dangerously grandiose perception of American power held by his saber-rattling advisers, and the irresistible lure of Iraq's enormous oil reserves.

Polls show that the public is terribly confused about what's going on, so much so that some 40 percent believe that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. That's really scary. Rather than correct this misconception, the administration has gone out of its way to reinforce it."


That sums it up quite nicely.

America so powa~ful!

America so stoopid.

Wake up Seek, P/V, the truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off.

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Elen síla lumenn' omentielvo!

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Resisting the NWO


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CIA CONTROLLS ALL MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND WAR COVERAGE


http://www.msnusers.com/NONewWorldOrder/theliberalmedia.msnw

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SAYS IT ALL

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One moon circles


Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

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I'm sure there's an unemployment check waiting for that guy...

you anti-war anti-American snotrags are in the extreme minority...of which I'm very happy....

Americans Express Strong Support for War
Expect few casualties and quick conclusion


by David W. Moore
GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- With the war already 24 hours underway, a quick-reaction poll conducted by CNN/USA Today/Gallup on Thursday night finds widespread public support for the decision to launch the attacks, along with expectations for a quick war with few casualties. The vast majority of Americans believe Saddam Hussein is still alive, but they are somewhat divided as to whether the war will be a success if he is deposed from office but not captured or killed. Now that the war has actually begun, the public is feeling considerably more confident than it was last Monday, when President George W. Bush first announced his leave-Iraq-or-else ultimatum to Saddam. Americans also anticipate a shorter war with fewer casualties than they did at the outset of the first Persian Gulf War in January 1991.

The poll shows that three-quarters of all Americans approve of the decision to go to war, including 60% who approve strongly. Only one in five Americans disapprove -- 15% who feel strongly and 5% not strongly.

Americans Feeling Confident

More than 8 in 10 Americans, 83%, say they feel "confident" about the war, up from just 52% who felt that way last Monday, after the announcement of Bush's ultimatum. More than 6 in 10 also say they feel "proud" (65%) and "sad" (63%). Just over half, 56%, feel "worried," down from 70% who felt that way last Monday. Only 34% say they feel "afraid," compared with 48% who expressed that feeling on Monday

btw david...I'll be there about 7:15 as usual...I really don't think you can afford it though...kinda pricey....

God bless these United States and you too P/V !

http://gallup.com/poll/releases/pr030321.asp

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Resisting the NWO


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3907 posts, Sep 2002

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I don't care what you say...MURDER is NOT glamourous.

Of course the US will be militarily succesful, dummy.

Iraq has hardly what you would call a Military since 1991.

The LONG TERM occupation is another story.

This is going to create an @$$ load of problems down the road.

Problems that MY GENERATION are going to have to fix long after these murderous old men are dead and buried.


I know one thing for sure. If I knew that my city was on fire or my neigboring city was on fire...I wouldn't be thankful for it. I'd be DAMNED MAD. Fighting mad.

According to Mitch Daniels, this war has a low estimated cost of 50 BILLION...not including already owned assets and their upkeep. I WONDER WHO is going to pay for it all? Somehow I don't think Exxon Mobil or the Rockafellers are.

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Hmmmm.....VERY Interesting!!!!!!!!


Pro-Israel General Will Oversee Reconstruction of Postwar Iraq
By ALANA NEWHOUSE
FORWARD STAFF
http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.03.21/news8.html

With the United States poised to invade Iraq, attention has turned to retired army Lt. Gen. Jay Garner, the man set to govern the country in the event of an American military victory.

Garner — who in 1991 helped lead Operation Provide Comfort, which delivered food and shelter to Kurds in northern Iraq after the Persian Gulf War — will oversee all the civilian aid, reconstruction and governance of postwar Iraq as head of the new Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance in the Pentagon, reporting to General Tommy Franks, commander of American forces in the Persian Gulf area. He left for Kuwait shortly before President Bush's March 17 televised address.

Garner is said to maintain ties with the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, a nonprofit organization dedicated to strengthening American foreign and defense policy. In 1998, he visited Israel for the first time on a trip sponsored by JINSA.

"He's very easy to talk to; he asks a lot of questions, and he listens to the answers," said Shoshana Bryen, director of special projects for JINSA, who participated in the trip with Garner.

In October 2000, shortly after the outbreak of the intifada, Garner was one of 26 American military leaders to sign a staunchly pro-Israel statement released by JINSA condemning the escalating violence. The statement, titled "Friends Don't Leave Friends on the Battlefield," lauded the Israeli army for exercising "remarkable restraint in the face of lethal violence orchestrated by the leadership of a Palestinian Authority," and called into question the Palestinian commitment to peace.

In a reference to the signatories' JINSA-sponsored trips to Israel, the statement said: "[I]n those travels, we brought with us our decades of military experience and came away with the unswerving belief that the security of the State of Israel is a matter of great importance to U.S. policy in the Middle East and Eastern Mediterranean, as well as around the world. A strong Israel is an asset that American military planners and political leaders can rely on."

According to a report in this month's Fortune magazine, which dubbed Garner "the most important businessman you've never heard of," Garner retired as a three-star general in 1997 to become president of a provider of communications and targeting systems for missiles that was bought last year by defense contractor L-3 Communications for a reported $48 million.

Since his Pentagon appointment in January, Garner has kept a low profile, to the dismay of some. He caused a minor fracas last week when he canceled a scheduled appearance before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. The Associated Press reported that Republican Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana, who criticized the Bush administration for moving too slowly in developing plans to rebuild Iraq, highlighted Garner's absence, calling the cancellation "a missed opportunity for the administration."

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