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Proud Veteran
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posted 04-06-2003 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Proud Veteran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes ma'am

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posted 04-06-2003 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ANOTHER insult PV?

Is that all you've got?

That's okay because I am 90% sure I will be getting the last laugh.

The wheels of truth and justice turn when you least expect it.

Especially when we will see Bu$h in handcuffs. Along with many others involved with his corruption.

Watch it happen.

[Edited 3 times, lastly by Mech on 04-06-2003]

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posted 04-06-2003 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Proud Veteran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't flatter yourself Mech. The yes ma'am was for Kook.

As far as the rest of your beliefs, I'll believe that when I see it. As a matter of fact if it happens I'll let you kiss my butt in the middle of DC and give you two hours to draw a crowd

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posted 04-06-2003 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll buy a ticket for that one !

hey P/V what's your opinion on surgery for a compacted disc ?

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posted 04-06-2003 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote'll be kissin George's on his way to prison.

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posted 04-07-2003 12:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Molliani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The lives of so many are dependent on the voices of dissent. Let's get a little LOUDER.

A quote by James J David from the following article.
[If you analyze world history you can see what has always happened to leaders, countries, or political organizations that become so powerful they cannot be publicly criticized.]

Violating the Geneva Convention
by James J. David*
27 March, 2003

It seems as if the Bush Administration is quite upset and very much concerned over the Iraqis treatment of the recently captured American prisoners. The concern is quite understandable and, like every other patriotic American, I pray that these soldiers are unharmed and released as soon as possible. But if the last Gulf War is any indication of Iraq's treatment of prisoners of war then our fears may somewhat be relieved. Of the 23 prisoners of war that the Iraqis captured all 23 were released and in relatively good health.

Nevertheless, President Bush was quick to blast the Iraqis for showing television footage of the captured American soldiers on Iraqi TV. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that " it's a violation of the Geneva Convention for the Iraqis to be showing prisoners of war in a humiliating manner and needless to say, television that carry such pictures are, I would say doing something that's unfortunate."

In the five or six hours of TV war coverage I watched, I probably heard the words "Geneva Convention" 100 times. I was a little surprised that not one person pointed out that the United States is not applying the Geneva Convention to fighters captured in Afghanistan. In fact, the Bush Administration has been very vocal in its opposition to treating these prisoners in accordance with the Geneva Convention. Perhaps now that American soldiers are also being held, the administration will treat all prisoners in accordance with the Geneva Convention.

And what about the way the Israelis treat their prisoners? If there was ever an award to be given for the biggest violator of the Geneva Convention the Jewish State would win hands down. Why hasn't George Bush or Donald Rumsfeld or, for that matter, any previous administration ever criticized or threatened Israel for its treatment of Palestinian prisoners. Over the years, Israel has habitually tortured innocent Palestinians to extract confessions. Detainees suffer long periods with urine-soaked hoods over their heads, are handcuffed and shackled to posts in painful and suffocating stooped positions, stretched backward over chairs with hands and feet tied to their legs, and they are never permitted the use of a bathroom. Red Cross lawyers and family are not allowed to even contact these prisoners. A number of Palestinian prisoners have died from torture at the hands of Israeli military. When the question came up in Israel just a few years ago of whether or not the practice of torture should be permitted in the light of international disapproval the courts approved it and the U.S. didn't say a word. When it comes to violations of the Geneva Convention, I guess it's only wrong "unless Israel does it."

But maybe the most shocking of all violations of the Geneva Convention came during the 1967 Israeli war with the Egyptians. The Israeli army carried out a number of mass executions of Egyptian prisoners of war in the Sinai, forcing them to dig ditches, then lining them up and shooting them. Dozens of eyewitnesses to these mass executions have reported what they saw, but the world's politicians and media bosses pretend not to know. According to eyewitness accounts by Israeli officers and journalists, the Israeli Army - the army that claims to hold itself to a higher moral standard than other armies - executed as many as 1,000 Egyptian prisoners. Historian Gabby Bron wrote in the Yediot Ahronot in Israel that he witnessed Israeli troops executing Egyptian prisoners on the morning of June 8, 1967, in the Sinai town of El Arish. Bron reported that he saw about 150 Egyptian POWs being held at the El Arish airport where they were sitting on the ground, densely crowded together with their hands held on the back of their necks. Every few minutes, Bron writes, Israeli soldiers would escort an Egyptian POW from the group to a hearing conducted by two men in Israeli army uniforms. Then the man would be taken away, given a spade, and forced to dig his own grave. "I watched as (one) man dug a hole for about 15 minutes," Bron wrote. "Afterwards, the (Israeli military) policeman told him to throw the shovel away, and then one of them leveled an Uzi at him and shot two short bursts, each of three or four bullets." Bron says he witnessed about ten such executions, until the grave was filled. Then an Israeli Colonel threatened him with a revolver, forcing him to leave the area.

If you analyze world history you can see what has always happened to leaders, countries, or political organizations that become so powerful they cannot be publicly criticized. The United States has put the Israelis on such a high pedestal in America that it is impossible for anyone to make criticism. We talk about the Geneva Convention but just look at what we actually practice. We have one standard for the treatment of Israel that is so high they cannot be criticized no matter what grisly crimes they commit. Then we have a second standard for the treatment of Israel's enemies that is so low we publicly finance their ethnic cleansing and torture. America has reasonably moral policies at home but our foreign policy is as corrupt, hypocritical, and violent as any of the third world dictatorships we love to look down upon and occasionally bomb.

*James J. David is a retired Brigadier General and a graduate of the U.S. Army's Command and General Staff College, and the National Security Course, National Defense University, Washington DC. He served as a Company Commander with the 101st Airborne Division in the Republic of Vietnam in 1969 and 1970 and also served nearly 3 years of Army active duty in and around the Middle East from 1967-1969.

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posted 04-07-2003 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
;oaweghfo...saddam's violated U.N human rights issues for 30 years...


U.S takes hold of downtown baghdad...

british control basra...

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posted 04-07-2003 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saddam, Bush, Israeli Gov.


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posted 04-07-2003 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Molliani     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You've gotta do something about your
constipation problem - it continues to
cloud your vision.

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posted 04-07-2003 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and you about your blindness to reality...

that ground will not be poisoned by saddam hussien and his evil...much longer...

good things happens

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posted 04-07-2003 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The road to HELL is paved with "good intentions"...especially with CORRUPTION at the helm.

Commander-In-Thief Rich Procter: 'Operation Cancelled Election 2004 is in play...'

Contributed by drprocter on Saturday, April 05 @ 09:02:06 EST By Rich Procter

If there's one thing Bush's "brain" Karl Rove is good at, it's creating storylines that our TV Nation will gobble up. If Team Bush had just yelled, "We're going to Baghdad! Yee-Haaa!" they'd have had no chance. That's why Rove & Company developed a storyline as intricate, elaborate and suspenseful as a Jerry Bruckheimer summer blockbuster. They dropped a thousand breadcrumbs, and the "shocked and awed" media whores gobbled up every one.

The goal was to get America's mind off the abysmal economy they'd created, the festering corporate scandals in which they were eyeball-deep, and a 9-11 probe that threatened to reveal to the American people that the Bushies were at best sound asleep, and at worst criminally negligent.

The new "product," as Bush Chief of Staff Andrew Card so accurately called it, was rolled out last September. First, the words "Saddam Hussein" replaced "Osama bin Laden" in every Bush speech. Stories were leaked how "concerned" Bush was about Saddam's burgeoning "nuclear program."

Bush and Blair both produced "proof" that Saddam tried to buy "significant quantities of uranium" from the African nation of Niger. At every opportunity, over and over and over again, Bush and his minions linked Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, till polls showed that half the public thought the Iraqis pulled off 9/11.

Rove and Company had gone to school on the Chinese water torture persecution of Bill Clinton. Always shovel something new at the press, make them feel lucky to get it, never let them look too hard at it, always evolve the story-line, give it "momentum," don't worry if its true or not - use the prestige of the White House, and DARE them to call you a liar. And if they do, freeze them out. (Helen Thomas, anyone?) And of course the "shock troops" in this disinformation campaign were the Wingnut-Bloviation Battalion - Rush, Bill, Sean, Ollie, etc. ad nauseum. Their job in this was to seize the White House Lying Points and inject them into the Body Politic.

Rove built the story beautifully. First Bush was "concerned." Then he was "very concerned." Then he was "shocked and appalled." Soon, we were told that Bush "couldn't sleep at night as long as Saddam was loose." He - George Bush, Chosen By God (yes, that was part of the story, doncha know) simply HAD to get rid of this madman, even when fellow "Axis of Evil" member Kim Jong Il tried to one-up the Butcher of Baghdad. When it came time to screw the UN, hose NATO and put the hammer down on Dubya Dubya Three, Bush had a Senate approval, based on the Niger nuclear story...which we now know was clumsy, obvious fake, spun out of badly forged documents.

And where are we now? Right where Karl" The Brain" Rove wants us - between Iraq and a hard place. Now we've got to support the troops no matter what! Forged documents? How can you even bring that up, you traitor! No evidence Saddam helped Osama? What are you, part of the "Hate America First" brigade, Comrade?

The reason I bring all this up is quite simple - the Bushies are starting to roll out another product, and this one is even scarier than the ginned-up "war" in Iraq. Here's an e-mail (captured by from "GOPTEAMLEADER" to the faithful, about John Kerry's courageous call for "regime change" to oust the Boy King:

"Dear XXX,

Yesterday, John Kerry shocked many Americans when he called for "regime change" right here in the U.S. By comparing our commander-in-chief to Saddam Hussein's brutal regime at a time of war, Kerry showed just what he is willing to say to appeal to liberal Democrat primary voters. RNC Chairman Marc Racicot quickly responded saying, "Senator Kerry crossed a grave line when he dared to suggest the replacement of America's commander-in- chief at a time when America is at war."

Catch that last line? Kerry..."DARED SUGGEST THE REPLACEMENT OF AMERICA'S COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF AT A TIME WHEN AMERICA IS AT WAR." Do you have any doubt whatsoever that next November we'll still "be at war" with a huge occupying force in Iraq? Rumsfeld is already trying to whack the Syria/Iran hornet's nest, so we may be there too (another story-line Rove & Company are developing). North Korea? Why not?

Get ready for the wingnut Screech Monkeys to put this in play, and play it for all its worth - "We're at war! God has chosen our President to lead us! To question him is to question America itself! To suggest replacing him is treason! To mount a political campaign against him is beyond the pale! These elections must be...(wait for it...wait for it...) "postponed indefinitely!!"

If you think this is crazy, did you honestly thing the Bushies could commit the United States to a war in the Middle East in a year, using nothing but colossal nerve, mind-boggling cynicism, and a story line built out of wingnut wish dreams and media hot air?

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posted 04-07-2003 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Another Operation Northwoods?

by, James Bamford

Original Link:

"We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," they proposed; "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."
"We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington," they wrote. "The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States..."

The following excerpt from James Bamford's "Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency" (Doubleday, 2001) provides very disturbing information that is directly relevant to the events of September 11, 2001.

Indeed, we must wonder if the inexplicable intelligence and defense failures claimed by US Government agencies are simply part of some elaborate cover story. Even worse, we must consider the possibility that the September 11th attacks on New York and Washington were simply a bigger, badder version of the Gulf of Tonkin "incident," which was successfully foisted upon a gullible US public to push them into supporting the war against Vietnam.

Bamford begins Chapter Four of his book by describing the bizarre cold-war atmosphere in the US in 1960, with the witch-hunts of McCarthyism a recent event, and US military leadership full of paranoid arch-reactionary attitudes. General Lyman L. Lemnitzer, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a protege of outgoing president Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, was one of these ultra-rightwing military anticommunists, many of whom actually believed that the government was riddled with communist traitors, from the Chief Justice on down.

In charge of the entire military might of the United States, Lemnitzer had nothing but contempt for the new crop of civilian leaders in JFK's government, including JFK himself.

Lemnitzer and the other joint chiefs were avidly planning a military invasion of Cuba, and were strongly opposed to the CIA's various plans to subvert the Cuban Revolution covertly. They wanted Kennedy to scrub the scheme, hatched in the last months of the Eisenhower administration, to attempt an invasion by Cuban exiles, covertly funded and supported by the US Government.

In late January, shortly after JFK's inauguration, Lemnitzer advocated against the exile invasion and strongly pitched the idea of a military invasion. John Kennedy refused, on the grounds that such an invasion would be completely unacceptable to international and domestic public opinion as being an American version of the USSR's 1956 invasion of Hungary.

Ironically, the US Government's betrayal of its exile Cuban invaders, and the shocked and bewildered radio intercept transcripts from the Bay of Pigs, became a replica of the CIA's betrayal and abandonment of its trusting agents during the Hungarian uprising.

For those who are unfamiliar with the author's work and his 1982 book on the NSA ("The Puzzle Palace"), it may be necessary to explain that James Bamford is no crackpot conspiracy theorist.

This excerpt begins during the late winter, during the new administration's preparation for what became the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of April, 1961.

- NY Transfer News Collective

* * *
Body of Secrets, by James Bamford (Doubleday & Co., 2001)

Excerpt from Chapter Four: "Fists"

Eisenhower had spent eight years working closely with the CIA. He knew the strengths and weaknesses of Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Cuban operation, which he had helped plan for nearly a year. Now Kennedy, in office barely a week and attempting to put his administration together, was being pressured to quickly okay a dangerour plan produced by a man he didn't know and an agency that was a cipher to him. Dulles told him that once the landing took place, it would trigger a great uprising and Castro would quickly tumble.

But Dulles certainly knew that to be a lie. Castro was a hero to much of the Cuban population for having rid them of the bloody excesses of Batista only two years before. As a long-hidden CIA report notes, "We can confidently assert that the Agency had no intelligence evidence that the Cubans in significant numbers could or would join the invaders or that there was any kind of an effective and cohesive resistance movement under anybody's control, let alone the Agency's, that could have furnished internal leadership for an uprising in support of the invasion." The same report concluded that at the time of that White House meeting "the Agency was driving forward without knowing precisely where it was going."

Lemnitzer was a man of details. After becoming Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff he sent out elaborate instructions outlining exactly how his fellow Chiefs were to autograph group picturesÄthey were to sign their names directly under his, and they must follow his slant. Neither his limousine nor his plane was ever to be moved without his being consulted. Lemnitzer also enjoyed his reputation as a consummate planner. In an eight-page biography he submitted to Congress prior to his testimony, he made frequent reference to himself as an "imaginative planner" and to his "skill as a planner." On his Pentagon desk was a crystal ball and in a drawer was a favorite verse:

Planners are a funny lot
They carry neither sword nor pistol
They walk stooped over quite a lot
Because their balls are crystal
Lemnitzer, the planner, certainly saw the pitfalls of the CIA's amateur and ill-conceived plan, as did his fellow Chiefs. Years later Lemnitzer hand-wrote a detailed fifty-two-page summary of the JCS involvement in the Bay of Pigs operation. He called it "The Cuban Debacle" and locked it away in his house; he died without ever publicly revealing its existence. Obtained for Body of Secrets, the account clearly shows that Lemnitzer's Joint Staff viewed the CIA plan as a disaster waiting to happen. He quotes from a secret internal JCS analysis of the operation: "In view of the rapid buildup of the Castro Government s military and militia capability, **and the lack of predictable future mass discontent,** the possible success of the Para-Military Plan appears very doubtful" [emphasis in original].

Yet inexplicably, only days later, Lemnitzer submitted a positive recommendation to Secretary of Defense McNamara. "Evaluation of the current plan results in a favorable assessment ... of the likelihood of achieving initial military success," he wrote. "The JCS considers that timely execution of the plan has a fair chance of ultimate success and, even if it does not achieve immediately the full results desired, [it] could contribute to the eventual overthrow of the Castro regime." Later that day, McNamara verbally endorsed those conclusions.

It may well have been that the Joint Chiefs, angry with the arrogant CIA brass for moving into their territory, were hoping that the spooks would fail. Once the CIA was out of the way, the uniformed professionals in the Pentagon would be called on to save the dayÄto take over, conduct the real invasion, and oust Castro. From then on, military invasions would again be the monopoly of the generals. But soon it became clear that Kennedy had meant what he said about keeping the operation covert.

As originally planned, the exile force was to land at the coastal town of Trinidad. But the White House objected. According to Lemnitzer's private summary, Kennedy wanted a quiet night landing, which the world would believe was planned by Cubans. Above all, Lemnitzer noted, there was to be no intervention by U.S. forces.

Following Kennedy's order, CIA planners presented the Joint Chiefs of Staff Working Group with a list of five alternative landing sites. Later the list was reduced to three. The group picked Alternative III, a spot in the swampy Zapata Peninsula called the Bay of Pigs. After a brief twenty-minute discussion, barely enough time for a coffee break, Lemnitzer and his Chiefs agreed with their Working Group's choice. "Of the alternative concepts," said the JCS recommendation, "Alternative III is considered the most feasible and the most likely to accomplish the objective. None of the alternative concepts are considered as feasible and as likely to accomplish the objective as the original [Trinidad] plan."

Lemnitzer had grave doubts about the whole CIA operation from the beginning but remained largely silent and quickly approved the plan. The Bay of Pigs was considerably closer to Havana than Trinidad was; this meant a quicker response from Cuban troops, and with only one road in and out of the landing zone, it was a perfect place for a slaughter. Cuban troops could easily isolate the invaders, who would be forced to die on the beaches or drown in the sea.

Lemnitzer had one last chance to reach up and pull the emergency brake before the train plunged off the embankment. On April 4,1961, Kennedy held a conference at the State Department with his key advisers to get their final thoughts on the invasion. Lemnitzer, seeing certain disaster ahead, buttonholed Assistant Secretary of State Thomas C. Mann before the meeting started and insisted that the choice of Zapata for a landing site was a bad decision, that the Joint Chiefs did not want the invasion to take place closer to Havana. Mann, taken aback by Lemnitzer's sudden change of position, dismissed his protest and insisted that Kennedy had already made his decision.

As Kennedy convened the meeting, Lemnitzer sat mute. The man in charge of the most powerful military force on earth, with enough nuclear weapons to destroy civilization, was afraid to speak up to his boss. It was his moment of truth. Instead he chose to close his eyes, cover his mouth, and wait for the sound of grinding metal. He knew, as he had known from the beginning, that the operation would turn out to be a disaster, that many men would die palnfully and needlessly, but still he preferred silence. He must also have finally realized that the Pentagon would never receive presidential authorization to charge in and save the day. At the end of the meeting, Kennedy asked who was still in favor of going ahead with the invasion. Lemnitzer's hand slowly reached toward the ceiling. Much later, in his summary, he confessed his failure to speak up but offered no apology.


The operation began at dawn on Monday, April 17, 1961, and quickly turned into a debacle. As Cuban air force and other military units converged on the area, NSA voice-intercept operators eavesdropped on the desperate pleas of the exiles. "Must have air support in next few hours or will be wiped out," Brigade Commander Pepe San Roman implored. "Under heavy attacks by MiG jets and heavy tanks." The Navy offered to evacuate the brigade commander and his troops, but was refused. They would fight to the end.

Because no provision had been made to provide NSA's Sigint to the brigade, the agency's intercepts were largely useless. All analysts could do was sit and listen to the hopeless messages from the rebel soldiers fighting on the beach and their supporters throughout Cuba. "Arms urgent," said one. "We made a commitment. We have complied. You have not. If you have decided to abandon us, answer." Another radioed, "We are risking hundreds of peasant families. If you cannot supply us we will have to ... demobilize. Your responsibility. We thought you were sincere." Still another pleaded, "All groups demoralized.... They consider themselves deceived because of failure of shipment of arms and money according to promise." Finally, there was one last message. "Impossible to fight... Either the drops increase or we die.... Men without arms or equipment. God help us."

"It wasn't much that was done here, as I understand," said one NSA official, "except they were copying the communications ... and their calls for help and assistance and what-have-you were all monitored."

"I will not be evacuated," said San Roman, defiantly. "Will fight to the end if we have to." On the beach, nearly out of bullets and mortars, the brigade launched a futile counterattack against Cuban army soldiers pushing relentlessly in from the west. "We are out of ammo and fighting on the beach," the brigade commander radioed to the task force command ship. "Please send help, we cannot hold."

"In water. Out of ammo. Enemy closing in. Help must arrive in next hour." San Roman's voice was now terse and desperate. There was no place to go. Between them and the approaching helmets were scores of their comrades, their blood joining the seawater with each crashing wave. "When your help will be here and with what?" The commander's voice was weaker now, unbelieving but still wanting to believe. "Why your help has not come?"

There were faces under the green helmets now, and arms with rifles, and legs running. They were coming from all sides, bullets hitting the water, the sand, and the men. NSA intercept operators eavesdropped on the final messages. "Am destroying all equipment and communications. Tanks are in sight. I have nothing to fight with. Am taking to woods. I cannot, repeat, cannot wait for you."

At 3:20 P.M., out at sea beyond the horizon, the evacuation convoy heading for the beach received a final message. "[Ships] ordered withdrawn [at] full speed."


The pall cast over the CIA as a result of the botched invasion did nothing to dampen the Kennedy administration's obsession with Castro. On a gray autumn Saturday in early November 1961, just after two o'clock, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy called a meeting to order in the Cabinet Room of the White House. The day before, the president had given the group their marching orders. He wanted a solution to the Cuba problem and his brother was going to see that it was done. Robert Kennedy turned to the group and introduced Edward G. Lansdale, an Air Force one-star general and a specialist in counterinsurgency who sat stiffly in a padded black leather chair.

Tall, with Errol Flynn good looks, Lansdale was the deputy director of the Pentagon's Office of Special Operations. Hidden away behind the door to Room 3E114 in the Pentagon, the OSO was the unit responsible for NSA. Responsibility for dealing with Cuba, Kennedy said, was to shift from the CIA to the Pentagon, where the project would be known as Operation Mongoose. Kennedy asked the group if they had any problems with the change. Richard Bissell, who had just seen the CIA's crown jewel pass from his hands, could not resist at least one jab. No, he said, as long as "those employees on it were competent in clandestine operations."

Both Lansdale and Lemnitzer viewed Operation Mongoose as a golden opportunity, a chance for the military to flex its muscles at last and show off its ability to succeed where the CIA had so miserably failed. As prospects of an internal revolt in Cuba dimmed, Lansdale and Lemnitzer began to quletly explore the possibility of doing what they had wanted to do all along: conduct a full-scale invasion.

Since the Kennedy administration had come into office the extreme, distrustful right wing within the military had grown significantly, not only in numbers but also in decibels. In April 1961 Defense Secretary Robert McNamara finally lowered the boom on Major General Edwin A. Walker. Walker was charged with indoctrinating his troops with John Birch Society propaganda, officially admonished, and relieved of his command. As a result many conservatives accused the Kennedy administration of trying to muzzle anti-Communists.

Walker resigned from the Army in protest, but even as a civilian he continued to warn of the dangers of Communist infiltration. Among the themes he constantly pounded home was a distrust of civilian control of the military. "The traditional civilian control of the military has been perverted and extended into a commissar-like system of control at all major echelons of command," he said. In September 1961 he traveled to Oxford, Mississippi, to protest the enrollment of James Meredith, a black student, at the state university there. Robert Kennedy later issued an arrest warrant for Walker, charging him with seditious conspiracy, insurrection, and rebellion. He was jailed for five days, during which time he claimed he was a political prisoner.

Even at the stately National War College in Washington, seminars would occasionally be reduced to "extreme right-wing, witch-hunting, mudslinging revivals" and "bigoted, one-sided presentations advocating that the danger to our security is internal only," according to a report prepared by a member of Secretary of Defense McNamara's staff.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee, in a report on the problem of right-wing extremism in the military, warned that there was "considerable danger" in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" that had been uncovered. "Running through all of them is a central theme that the primary, if not exclusive, danger to this country is internal Communist infiltration," said the report.

Among the key targets of the extremists, the committee said, was the Kennedy administration's domestic social program, which many ultraconservatives accused of being communistic. The "thesis of the nature of the Communist threat," the report warned, "often is developed by equating social legislation with socialism, and the latter with Communism.... Much of the administration's domestic legislative program, including continuation of the graduated income tax, expansion of social security (particularly medical care under social security), Federal aid to education, etc. under this philosophy would be characterized as steps toward Communism." Thus, "This view of the Communist menace renders foreign aid, cultural exchanges, disarmament negotiations and other international programs as extremely wasteful if not actually subversive.

The chilling Senate study concluded by warning of a revolt by senior military officers such as the one portrayed in "Seven Days in May." To show the idea was not farfetched, the report cited "as an example of the ultimate danger" the recent revolt by army generals in France, largely over policies in Algeria. "Military officers, French or American, have some common characteristics arising from their profession," said the report, "and there are numerous military `fingers on the trigger' throughout the world."

Finally, the committee specifically pointed to General Lemnitzer and called for an examination of the relationship between him, his Chiefs, and the extreme right-wing groups. Among the members of the committee most outspoken in calling for an investigation of Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs was Senator Albert Gore, Sr., of Tennessee (the father of former vice president Al Gore).

It was not an idle worry. In their 1963 book, "The Far Right," Donald Janson of the New York Times and CBS reporter Bernard Eismann wrote, "Concern had grown that a belligerent and free-wheeling military could conceivably become as dangerous to the stability of the United States as the mixture of rebelliousness and politics had in nations forced to succumb to juntas or fascism. The agony that gripped France as a result of military defectors' efforts to reverse government policy on Algeria was another forceful reminder of the inherent dangers in allowing political power to build up in the military establishment."

Outwardly, Lemnitzer remained stiff and correct. But deep inside he was raging at the new and youthful Kennedy White House. He felt out of place and out of time in a culture that seemed suddenly to have turned its back on military tradition. Almost immediately he became, in the clinical sense, paranoid; he began secretly expressing his worries to other senior officers. A little more than a month after Kennedy took office, he sent a letter to General Lauris Norstad, the commander-in-chief of the U.S. European Command, and several other top generals. Fearful that the administration would learn of his comments, he noted, "I had considered sending this information to you by electrical means but in view of its nature, I am sending it by letter for your, Jim Moore's and [Deputy Commander-in-Chief] Charlie Palmer's EYES ONLY." It was then delivered "in a sealed envelope for delivery to Gen. Norstad ONLY."

"You and Charlie are probably wondering what, if anything, the JCS are [d]oing about some of the disturbing things that have been happening recently with respect to your area," Lemnitzer wrote. But what so upset the JCS Chairman was not a major change in nuclear policy in Europe or a shift in Cold War strategy, but the fact that White House officials had canceled money earmarked for the remodeling of an officers' club. "I am sure that this seems as incredible to you as it does to us," he wrote, "but this is how things are happening here now." Finally, Lemnitzer complained about what he felt were deliberate leaks intended to embarrass senior military officials. "Here again I believe that the fundamental cause is the `eager beaver' attitude by many of the new and very young people who have been brought into government to publicize promptly any item they believe will give the new administration good press. I don't know how long this situation is going to continue but we seem to have a new incident every day."

Lemnitzer had no respect for the civilians he reported to. He believed they interfered with the proper role of the military. The "civilian hierarchy was crippled not only by inexperience," he would later say, "but also by arrogance arising from failure to recognize its own limitations.... The problem was simply that the civilians would not accept military judgments." In Lemnitzer's view, the country would be far better off if the generals could take over.

For those military officers who were sitting on the fence, the Kennedy administration's botched Bay of Pigs invasion was the last straw. "The Bay of Pigs fiasco broke the dike," said one report at the time. "President Kennedy was pilloried by the superpatriots as a `no-win' chief.... The Far Right became a fount of proposals born of frustration and put forward in the name of anti-Communism.... Active-duty commanders played host to anti-Communist seminars on their bases and attended or addressed Right-wing meetings elsewhere."

Although no one in Congress could have known it at the time, Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge.

According to secret and long-hidden documents obtained for Body of Secrets, the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of anticommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.

Codenamed Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

The idea may actually have originated with President Eisenhower in the last days of his administration. With the Cold War hotter than ever and the recent U-2 scandal fresh in the public's memory, the old general wanted to go out with a win. He wanted desperately to invade Cuba in the weeks leading up to Kennedy's inauguration; indeed, on January 3 he told Lemnitzer and other aides in his Cabinet Room that he would move against Castro before the inauguration if only the Cubans gave him a really good excuse. Then, with time growing short, Eisenhower floated an idea. If Castro failed to provide that excuse, perhaps, he said, the United States "could think of manufacturing something that would be generally acceptable." What he was suggesting was a pretext -- a bombing, an attack, an act of sabotage -- carried out secretly against the United States by the United States. Its purpose would be to justify the launching of a war. It was a dangerous suggestion by a desperate president.

Although no such war took place, the idea was not lost on General Lemnitzer. But he and his colleagues were frustrated by Kennedy's failure to authorize their plan, and angry that Castro had not provided an excuse to invade.

The final straw may have come during a White House meeting on February 26, 1962. Concerned that General Lansdale's various covert action plans under Operation Mongoose were simply becoming more outrageous and going nowhere, Robert Kennedy told him to drop all anti-Castro efforts. Instead, Lansdale was ordered to concentrate for the next three months strictly on gathering intelligence about Cuba. It was a humiliating defeat for Lansdale, a man more accustomed to praise than to scorn.

As the Kennedy brothers appeared to suddenly "go soft" on Castro, Lemnitzer could see his opportunity to invade Cuba quickly slipping away. The attempts to provoke the Cuban public to revolt seemed dead and Castro, unfortunately, appeared to have no inclination to launch any attacks against Americans or their property. Lemnitzer and the other Chiefs knew there was only one option left that would ensure their war. They would have to trick the American public and world opinion into hating Cuba so much that they would not only go along, but would insist that he and his generals launch their war against Castro. "World opinion, and the United Nations forum," said a secret JCS document, "should be favorably affected by developing the international image of the Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere."

Operation Northwoods called for a war in which many patriotic Americans and innocent Cubans would die senseless deaths -- all to satisfy the egos of twisted generals back in Washington, safe in their taxpayer-financed homes and limousines.

One idea seriously considered involved the launch of John Glenn, the first American to orbit the earth. On February 20, 1962, Glenn was to lift off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, on his historic journey. The flight was to carry the banner of America's virtues of truth, freedom, and democracy into orbit high over the planet. But Lemnitzer and his Chiefs had a different idea. They proposed to Lansdale that, should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof that ... the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba [sic]." This would be accomplished, Lemnitzer continued, "by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans." Thus, as NASA prepared to send the first American into space, the Joint Chiefs of Staff were preparing to use John Glenn's possible death as a pretext to launch a war.

Glenn lifted into history without mishap, leaving Lemnitzer and the Chiefs to begin devising new plots which they suggested be carried out "within the time frame of the next few months."

Among the actions recommended was "a series of well coordinated incidents to take place in and around" the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. This included dressing "friendly" Cubans in Cuban military uniforms and then have them "start riots near the main gate of the base. Others would pretend to be saboteurs inside the base. Ammunition would be blown up, fires started, aircraft sabotaged, mortars fired at the base with damage to installations."

The suggested operations grew progressively more outrageous. Another called for an action similar to the infamous incident in February 1898 when an explosion aboard the battleship Maine in Havana harbor killed 266 U.S. sailors. Although the exact cause of the explosion remained undetermined, it sparked the Spanish-American War with Cuba. Incited by the deadly blast, more than one million men volunteered for duty. Lemnitzer and his generals came up with a similar plan. "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," they proposed; "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

There seemed no limit to their fanaticism: "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington," they wrote. "The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States...

We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida (real or simulated).... We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized."

Bombings were proposed, false arrests, hijackings:

- "Exploding a few plastic bombs in carefully chosen spots, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government."

- "Advantage can be taken of the sensitivity of the Dominican [Republic] Air Force to intrusions within their national air space. `Cuban' B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane-burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incendiaries could be found. This could be coupled with `Cuban' messages to the Communist underground in the Dominican Republic and `Cuban' shipments of arms which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach. Use of MiG type aircraft by U.S. pilots could provide additional provocation."

- "Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft could appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the Government of Cuba."

Among the most elaborate schemes was to "create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flightplan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight."

Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs worked out a complex deception:

An aircraft at Elgin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone [a remotely controlled unmanned aircraft]. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.
From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a " May Day" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MiG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft, which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization] radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the U.S. what has happened to the aircraft instead of the U.S. trying to "sell" the incident.

Finally, there was a plan to "make it appear that Communist Cuban MiGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack." It was a particularly believable operation given the decade of shootdowns that had just taken place.

In the final sentence of his letter to Secretary McNamara recommending the operations, Lemnitzer made a grab for even more power, asking that the Joint Chiefs be placed in charge of carrying out Operation Northwoods and the invasion. "It is recommended," he wrote, "that this responsibility for both overt and covert military operations be assigned to the Joint Chiefs of Staff."

At 2:30 on the afternoon of Tuesday, March 13, 1962, Lemnitzer went over last-minute details of Operation Northwoods with his covert action chief, Brigadier General William H. Craig, and signed the document. He then went to a "special meeting" in McNamara's office. An hour later he met with Kennedy's military representative, General Maxwell Taylor. What happened during those meetings is unknown. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer that there was virtually no possibility that the U.S. would ever use overt military force in Cuba.

Undeterred, Lemnitzer and the Chiefs persisted, virtually to the point of demanding that they be given authority to invade and take over Cuba. About a month after submitting Operation Northwoods, they met in the "tank," as the JCS conference room was called, and agreed on the wording of a tough memorandum to McNamara. "The Joint Chiefs of Staff believe that the Cuban problem must be solved in the near future," they wrote. "Further, they see no prospect of early success in overthrowing the present communist regime either as a result of internal uprising or external political, economic or psychological pressures. Accordingly they believe that military intervention by the United States will be required to overthrow the present communist regime."

Lemnitzer was virtually rabid in his hatred of communism in general and Castro in particular. "The Joint Chiefs of Staff believe that the United States can undertake military intervention in Cuba without risk of general war," he continued. "They also believe that the intervention can be accomplished rapidly enough to minimize communist opportunities for solicitation of UN action." However, what Lemnitzer was suggesting was not freeing the Cuban people, who were largely in support of Castro, but imprisoning them in a U.S. military-controlled police state. "Forces would assure rapid essential military control of Cuba," he wrote. "Continued police action would be required."

Concluding, Lemnitzer did not mince words: "[T]he Joint Chiefs of Staff recommend that a national policy of early military intervention in Cuba be adopted by the United States. They also recommend that such intervention be undertaken as soon as possible and preferably before the release of National Guard and Reserve forces presently on active duty."

By then McNamara had virtually no confidence in his military chief and was rejecting nearly every proposal the general sent to him. The rejections became so routine, said one of Lemnitzer's former staff officers, that the staffer told the general that the situation was putting the military in an "embarrassing rut." But Lemnitzer replied, "I am the senior military officer -- it's my job to state what I believe and it's his [McNamara's] job to approve or disapprove."

"McNamara's arrogance was astonishing," said Lemnitzer's aide, who knew nothing of Operation Northwoods. "He gave General Lemnitzer very short shrift and treated him like a schoolboy. The general almost stood at attention when he came into the room. Everything was `Yes, sir' and `No, sir.'"

Within months, Lemnitzer was denied a second term as JCS chairman and transferred to Europe as chief of NATO. Years later President Gerald Ford appointed Lemnitzer, a darling of the Republican right, to the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. Lemnitzer's Cuba chief, Brigadier General Craig, was also transferred. Promoted to major general, he spent three years as chief of the Army Security Agency, NSA's military arm.

Because of the secrecy and illegality of Operation Northwoods, all details remained hidden for forty years. Lemnitzer may have thought that all copies of the relevant documents had been destroyed; he was not one to leave compromising material lying around. Following the Bay of Pigs debacle, for example, he ordered Brigadier General David W. Gray, Craig's predecessor as chief of the Cuba project within the JCS, to destroy all his notes concerning Joint Chiefs actions and discussions during that period. Gray's meticulous notes were the only detailed official records of what happened within the JCS during that time. According to Gray, Lemnitzer feared a congressional investigation and therefore wanted any incriminating evidence destroyed.

With the evidence destroyed, Lemnitzer felt free to lie to Congress. When asked, during secret hearings before a Senate committee, if he knew of any Pentagon plans for a direct invasion of Cuba he said he did not. Yet detailed JCS invasion plans had been drawn up even before Kennedy was inaugurated. And additional plans had been developed since. The consummate planner and man of details also became evasive, suddenly encountering great difficulty in recalling key aspects of the operation, as if he had been out of the country during the period. It was a sorry spectacle. Senator Gore called for Lemnitzer to be fired. "We need a shakeup of the Joint Chiefs of Staff," he said. "We direly need a new chairman, as well as new members." No one had any idea of Operation Northwoods.

Because so many documents were destroyed, it is difficult to determine how many senior officials were aware of Operation Northwoods. As has been described, the document was signed and fully approved by Lemnitzer and the rest of the Joint Chiefs and addressed to the Secretary of Defense for his signature. Whether it went beyond McNamara to the president and the attorney general is not known.

Even after Lemnitzer lost his job, the Joint Chiefs kept planning "pretext" operations at least into 1963. Among their proposals was a plan to deliberately create a war between Cuba and any of a number of its Latin American neighbors. This would give the United States military an excuse to come in on the side of Cuba's adversary and get rid of Castro. "A contrived `Cuban' attack on an OAS [Organization of American States] member could be set up," said one proposal, "and the attacked state could be urged to `take measures of self-defense and request assistance from the U.S. and OAS; the U.S. could almost certainly obtain the necessary two-thirds support among OAS members for collective action against Cuba."

Among the nations they suggested that the United States secretly attack were Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. Both were members of the British Commonwealth; thus, by secretly attacking them and then falsely blaming Cuba, the United States could lure England into the war against Castro. The report noted, "Any of the contrived situations described above are inherently, extremely risky in our democratic system in which security can be maintained, after the fact, with very great difficulty. If the decision should be made to set up a contrived situation it should be one in which participation by U.S. personnel is limited only to the most highly trusted covert personnel. This suggests the infeasibility of the use of military units for any aspect of the contrived situation."

The report even suggested secretly paying someone in the Castro government to attack the United States: "The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castro's subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on [the U.S. naval base at] Guantanamo." The act suggested -- bribing a foreign nation to launch a violent attack on an American military installation -- was treason.

In May 1963, Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul H. Nitze sent a plan to the White House proposing "a possible scenario whereby an attack on a United States reconnaissance aircraft could be exploited toward the end of effecting the removal of the Castro regime." In the event Cuba attacked a U-2, the plan proposed sending in additional American pilots, this time on dangerous, unnecessary low-level reconnaissance missions with the expectation that they would also be shot down, thus provoking a war. "[T]he U.S. could undertake various measures designed to stimulate the Cubans to provoke a new incident," said the plan. Nitze, however, did not volunteer to be one of the pilots.

One idea involved sending fighters across the island on "harassing reconnaissance" and "show-off" missions "flaunting our freedom of action, hoping to stir the Cuban military to action." "Thus," said the plan, "depending above all on whether the Cubans were or could be made to be trigger-happy, the development of the initial downing of a reconnaissance plane could lead at best to the elimination of Castro, perhaps to the removal of Soviet troops and the installation of ground inspection in Cuba, or at the least to our demonstration of firmness on reconnaissance." About a month later, a low-level flight was made across Cuba, but unfortunately for the Pentagon, instead of bullets it produced only a protest.

Lemnitzer was a dangerous -- perhaps even unbalanced -- rightwing extremist in an extraordinarily sensitive position during a critical period. But Operation Northwoods also had the support of every single member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and even senior Pentagon official Paul Nitze argued in favor of provoking a phony war with Cuba. The fact that the most senior members of all the services and the Pentagon could be so out of touch with reality and the meaning of democracy would be hidden for four decades.

In retrospect, the documents offer new insight into the thinking of the military's star-studded leadership. Although they never succeeded in launching America into a phony war with Cuba, they may have done so with Vietnam. More than 50,000 Americans and more than 2 million Vietnamese were eventually killed in that war.

It has long been suspected that the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident -- the spark that led to America's long war in Vietnam -- was largely staged or provoked by U.S. officials in order to build up congressional and public support for American involvement. Over the years, serious questions have been raised about the alleged attack by North Vietnamese patrol boats on two American destroyers in the Gulf. But defenders of the Pentagon have always denied such charges, arguing that senior officials would never engage in such deceit.

Now, however, in light of the Operation Northwoods documents, it is clear that deceiving the public and trumping up wars for Americans to fight and die in was standard, approved policy at the highest levels of the Pentagon. In fact, the Gulf of Tonkin seems right out of the Operation Northwoods playbook: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba ... casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of indignation." One need only replace "Guantanamo Bay" with "Tonkin Gulf," and "Cuba" with "North Vietnam." The Gulf of Tonkin incident may or may not have been stage-managed, but the senior Pentagon leadership at the time was clearly capable of such deceit.

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Pentagon Brings in More Iraqi Exiles
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By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The United States has begun building a new Iraqi army by deploying some of the nation's exiles and internal dissidents around the country, while using its own might to weaken Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s grip on power inside Baghdad.

Early Monday, an armored column roared into the heart of the Iraqi capital and U.S. forces raided one of Saddam's key palaces.

Senior defense officials said the assault, the third in three days, was designed to be another show of force to demonstrate to Iraqis that invading troops can go where they want. They said it wasn't an effort to occupy the city.

Americans might stay a bit longer than their earlier incursions into the city over the weekend, but the occupations will last hours, not days, one official said.

Several hundred soldiers of the Iraqi National Congress exile group were flown to an area near the city of Nasiriyah, the group said Sunday.

"These are Iraqi citizens who want to fight for a free Iraq (news - web sites), who will become basically the core of the new Iraqi army once Iraq is free," said Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the joint chiefs of staff.

More will be deployed to other southern cities, while another group would work with invasion forces in the north, a senior Pentagon (news - web sites) official said Sunday on condition of anonymity. Officials declined to say how many would be involved but said the number would grow in coming days.

The group sent to the south was mostly Shiites who had taken refuge in the north, one official said. Forces working in the north will be Kurdish. Uprisings by Shiites and Kurds were crushed by Saddam in 1991.

The troops flown into Nasiriyah will help with the distribution of humanitarian aid, keep order and "root out pro-Saddam elements" such as militia from the Fedayeen, Saddam's Ba'ath Party and others who have put up stiff resistance to coalition forces and prevented other Iraqi fighters from surrendering, said Riva Levinson, a consultant and INC spokeswoman in Washington.

"They are only lightly armed, some have military training and others do not," Levinson said of the new Iraqi soldiers. "But they have a familiarity with Iraqi society and can be a bridge between coalition forces and the civilian population."

In the north and south, the Iraqi forces will be controlled by the U.S. war commander, Gen. Tommy Franks. They may fight, work as language translators, be liaisons with local populations and so on, Defense Department officials said Sunday.

"We are proud to contribute our forces," Ahmad Chalabi of the INC said in a statement Sunday from Nasiriyah.

"The war of national liberation which Iraqis have waged for 30 years is now nearing its end," he said. "We call on the Iraqi people to join with us in removing the final remnants of Saddam's Baathist regime."

The new groups join several dozen Iraqis who were trained by the U.S. Army in Hungary — called "Free Iraqi Forces" and wearing FIF patches on their U.S.-supplied uniforms. That group is already working with civil affairs troops in the southern port of Umm Qasr, helping screen and hire local Iraqis for distribution of humanitarian supplies and other jobs.

Like the newly deployed Shiites, the liaisons in Umm Qasr were sent as close as possible to their former home areas or places where they'll have the most rapport with local populations, officials said.

The difference is that there was not time to train the new groups before the war started, they said.

Iraqi opposition groups last year submitted the names of thousands of men who they said would fight alongside American forces. They were from around the world and represented major Iraqi groups, including the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds, officials said then.

Screening to weed out possible Saddam spies or people with criminal records — as well as planning and other issues — delayed the training. The first group was assembled in mid-Janaury and only two groups — a total of around 80 — went to the monthlong boot camp before the war started March 20. The training was discontinued March 31.

Officials had said previously that they could train up to 3,000.

Appearing on ABC's "This Week," Pace was asked if the participation of INC soldiers would give that group unfair advantage as Iraq's new government is formed.

"The fact that they may be from one section of the population or another at this point in time on the battlefield is not significant," he answered.

"I'm comfortable that once we free Iraq and give it to the people in Iraq, that they will be able to decide for themselves who should be their leaders," Pace said.

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Deadly Deception, Pretexts for War

U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff approved plans for 'launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country'

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WASHINGTON, DC—Scott Ritter, former UN Special Commission inspector, claims that Richard Butler, former chief UN weapons inspector, "deliberately planned UN inspections in 1998 to orchestrate a confrontation between Iraq and the UN so the United States could carry out its threats to bomb Iraq." Ritter makes the allegations in a documentary film, "In Shifting Sands . . . the Truth About UNSCOM and the Disarming of Iraq," shown to journalists at the UN reported Ronni Berke (CNN, July 19).
Ritter's revelation should come as no surprise. The alleged pretext for bombing Iraq, was just one more act of deadly deception, by the U.S. and its allies, designed to rally the public against the "enemy." Some examples:

The annual commemoration of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, invariably includes these words from the speech by President Franklin D. Roosevelt: "Yesterday, December 7, 1941—a date which will live in infamy—the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan." But, few Americans know, and they're seldom told, that, "The U.S. believed that war with Japan was inevitable, and that 'the United States should provoke it at a time which suited U.S. interests.' Analysts recommended an eight point plan designed to provoke a Japanese attack," according to Robert Stinnett, writing in Day of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor. The plan included military provocations, and a recommendation to "Completely embargo all trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo by the British Empire."

The embargo was in place, and the U.S. had made several provocative military moves, at the time of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

Britain and France had their plan for taking back the Suez Canal after it was nationalized by President Nasser of Egypt on July 26, 1956. "France secretly enlisted the help of Israel," writes James Bamford in Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency from the Cold War Through the Dawn of a New Century. Mr.Bamford was Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings, and has written investigative cover stories for the New York Times Magazine, the Washington Post Magazine, and the Los Angeles Times Magazine.

"The intrigue involved Israel launching a war against Egypt," writes Mr. Bamford. Then, once Egypt began defending itself, England and France would go in as 'peacekeepers.' As part of the 'peace,' the canal would be taken from Egypt and kept by Britain and France. Israel would capture the Sinai from Egypt." The plan was agreed to by Israeli prime minister David Ben-Gurion, defense minister Shimon Peres, and armed forces chief Moshe Dayan, and Britain's prime minister, Anthony Eden.

Following the failed, Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba on April 17, 1961, by 1,300 members of a CIA-supported counter-revolutionary Cuban exile force, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) drew up and approved plans for "launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba." Mr. Bamford writes:

"Codenamed Operation Northwoods, the plan . . . called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer [Chairman JCS] and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."
Accidents, writes Mr. Bamford, were to be used to advance U.S. interests. Had the February 20, 1962 launch of John Glenn—the first American to orbit the earth, later a U.S. presidential candidate—not been successful, the JCS were prepared to use John Glenn's possible death as a pretext for war.
"The flight was to carry the banner of America's virtues of truth, freedom, and democracy into orbit high over the planet. But Lemnitzer and his Chiefs had a different idea. They proposed to Lansdale [U.S. general in charge of Operation Mongoose—covert operations against Cuba] that, should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, 'the objective is to provide irrevocable proof that . . . the fault lies with the Communists et al Cuba [sic].' This would be accomplished, Lemnitzer continued, 'by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans.'"
In 1963, writes Mr. Bamford, the JCS proposed secret U.S. attacks on Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. "Both were members of the British Commonwealth; thus, by secretly attacking them and then falsely blaming Cuba, the United States could lure England into the war against Castro."
The 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident, that sparked the Vietnam War, was also deliberately provoked. "Restless from a decade of peace," writes Mr. Bamford, "out of touch with reality, the Joint Chiefs of Staff were desperate for a war, any war."

In the 1960s, as Britain was dismantling its colonies, the U.S. conspired with Britain to receive secretly, gratis, and for 50 years, the Chagos Archipelago. Between 1965 and 1973, to clear the largest island in the archipelago, Diego Garcia, for a listening post for the U.S. National Security Administration, every man, woman, and child was physically removed from the islands, and placed bewildered and frightened, on the islands of Mauritius and Seychelles, wrote a British writer, Simon Winchester.

While falsely blaming their "enemies," the U.S. government, and American "free press," have covered-up for their "friends."

Three days after Israel launched its June 5, 1967, surprise attack on Egypt, it carried out a deliberate and sustained attack on the USS Liberty, with the objective of leaving no survivors.

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, in a memo dated June 8, 1997 wrote, "I am confident that Israel knew the Liberty could intercept radio messages from all parties and potential parties to the ongoing war, then in its fourth day, and that Israel was preparing to seize the Golan Heights from Syria despite President Johnson's known opposition to such a move."

Mr. Bamford describes the attack:

"Within the first few hours Israeli jets pounded twenty-five Arab air bases ranging from Damascus in Syria to an Egyptian field loaded with bombers, far up the Nile at Luxor. Then using machine guns, mortar fire, tanks, and air power, the Israeli war machine overtook the Jordanian section of Jerusalem as well as the west bank of the Jordan River and torpedo boats captured the key Red Sea cape of Sharm al-Sheikh."
Based on declassified transcripts of radio communications, survivor accounts, and interviews with others in the chain of command on the day ot the attack, Mr. Bamford writes:
"On the morning of June 8, the Israeli military command received a report that a large American eavesdropping ship was secretly listening only a few miles off El Arish. At that same moment, a scant dozen or so miles away, Israeli soldiers were butchering civilians and bound prisoners by the hundreds, a fact that the entire Israeli army leadership knew about and condoned, according to the army's own historian. . ..
"At the time, Israel was loudly proclaiming—to the United States, to the United Nations, and to the world—that it was the victim of Egyptian aggression and that it alone held the moral high ground. Israel's commanders would not have wanted tape recordings of evidence of the slaughters to wind up on desks at the White House, the UN, or the Washington Post."

The Gulf War of January 16, 1991, is yet another example of U.S. deception. "Iraq's war against Iran may have cost as much as $500 billion," write Alan Geyer and Barbara G. Green in Lines in the Sand: Justice and the Gulf War. Postwar economic problems and reconstruction costs were $280 billion or more. Saddam Hussein was in a position to be manipulated.
In a July 25, 1990 meeting with U.S. ambassador April Glaspie, Saddam Hussein was informed, "We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait." Meanwhile, the U.S. encouraged Kuwait to continue its slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields. On August 2, 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait.

Ever since the Arab oil embargoes of the 1970s, the U.S. had been seeking an opportunity to dominate the Middle East. Now the public had to be rallied to the "just war."

A high point of the public relations campaign against Iraq, was the testimony of a Kuwaiti refugee, before the Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 15, 1990, who told of Iraqi troops removing over 300 babies from incubators in Kuwait City hospital, and dumping them on the floor to die. On January 6, 1992, John R. MacArthur, publisher of Harper's Magazine, revealed that "Nayirah," the alleged refugee, was the daughter of Saud al-Sabah, Kuwait's ambassador to the United States, and that Hill and Knowlton, a large public relations firm, had helped prepare her testimony, which she had rehearsed before video cameras in the firm's Washington office.

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3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 04-07-2003 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
see you don't read the truth I post...why should I read your lies ?

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Northeast USA
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posted 04-07-2003 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Oh I read it. But it is not much different than that PRO-WAR, Biased coverage at FOX.

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Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 04-07-2003 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


February 05, 2003

... The legislation introduced [2/5/2003] ... would repeal Public Law 107-243. The bill text reads in total:

"Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

Section 1. Repeal of Public Law 107-243.

The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243; 116 Stat. 1498) is hereby repealed."

The legislation repeals the broad delegation of authority Congress gave to the President in October, to launch military action against Iraq. Under this legally-binding resolution, the President would have to return to Congress to seek authority to launch a preventive attack on Iraq.

Title: To repeal the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq
Resolution of 2002.
Sponsor: Rep DeFazio, Peter A. [OR-4] (introduced 2/5/2003)
Cosponsors: 37

Latest Major Action: 2/5/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on International Relations.


Rep Paul, Ron - 2/5/2003 [TX-14]
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. - 2/5/2003 [CA-6]
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. - 2/5/2003 [OH-10]
Rep McDermott, Jim - 2/5/2003 [WA-7]
Rep Sanders, Bernard - 2/5/2003 [VT]
Rep Baldwin, Tammy - 2/5/2003 [WI-2]
Rep Lee, Barbara - 2/5/2003 [CA-9]
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. - 2/5/2003 [AZ-7]
Rep Owens, Major R. - 2/5/2003 [NY-11]
Rep Jones, Stephanie Tubbs - 2/5/2003 [OH-11]
Rep Oberstar, James L. - 2/5/2003 [MN-8]
Rep Waters, Maxine - 2/5/2003 [CA-35]
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. - 2/5/2003 [IL-9]
Rep Carson, Julia - 2/5/2003 [IN-7]
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. - 2/5/2003 [MI-14]
Rep Towns, Edolphus - 2/5/2003 [NY-10]
Rep Farr, Sam - 2/5/2003 [CA-17]
Rep Olver, John W. - 2/5/2003 [MA-1]
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes - 2/5/2003 [DC]
Rep Serrano, Jose E. - 2/5/2003 [NY-16]
Rep Watson, Diane E. - 2/5/2003 [CA-33]
Rep Kleczka, Gerald D. - 2/5/2003 [WI-4]
Rep Davis, Danny K. - 2/5/2003 [IL-7]
Rep Filner, Bob - 2/5/2003 [CA-51]
Rep Frank, Barney - 2/5/2003 [MA-4]
Rep Rush, Bobby L. - 2/5/2003 [IL-1]
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. - 2/5/2003 [IL-2]
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete - 2/5/2003 [CA-13]
Rep Capuano, Michael E. - 2/5/2003 [MA-8]
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy - 2/11/2003 [MO-1]
Rep Honda, Michael M. - 2/25/2003 [CA-15]
Rep Blumenauer, Earl - 2/27/2003 [OR-3]
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. - 2/27/2003 [NY-22]
Rep Fattah, Chaka - 3/6/2003 [PA-2]
Rep Lewis, John - 3/12/2003 [GA-5]
Rep McGovern, James P. - 3/18/2003 [MA-3]
Rep Rangel, Charles B. - 3/19/2003 [NY-15]

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Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 04-07-2003 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MASSIVE worldwide anti-war protests expected on April 12th

There ought to be limits to freedom.

-- George W. Bush

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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 04-07-2003 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

There ought to be limits to freedom.

-- George W. Bush

said in the context of foreigners blowing up our building with planes...


ever listen to ministry mech ?

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Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 04-07-2003 07:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes....Very wild industrial stuff Seek. I'm suprised at you.

You always struck me as an N'sync or Bon Jovi type of dude.

The song.."The Missing" reminds me of Bu$h/Ridge "homeland" America and what it has become.

" what you say...they'll take you away"...


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205 posts, Jan 2003

posted 04-07-2003 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Proud Veteran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeker, If you have numbness or shooting pains down one or both legs you might want to consider having the disc removed. Depends on how much you trust your doctor and the surgeon you are sent to. And of course how much pain you are in if any. I'm lucky that I get to see a lot of surgeons in action every day. Believe me there are some I wouldn't take a dead dog to

I see that everyone still is not supporting the troops even though they have made it to Bagdad. Shame on you so called Americans!

Mech, I gotta tell ya you sound like the information minister for saddam's regime. He's telling the people that the troops are not in Bagdad and that they have all been poisoned. You are saying that Bush is gonna get impeached, yada, yada, yada.

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Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 04-07-2003 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey PV...Kiss mine.

If you don't like Dissent...get out of MY America.

I don't care for what YOU THINK America should be and how people should feel about this war.

You don't have to approve of this war to "support the troops".

Unlike Uncle SCAM who turns his back on them when they come back home.

So don't give me that "Unpatriotic" crap.

Go wave your Chinese slave-made Plastic American flag.


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Monday, April 7, 2003; 10:25 AM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces near Baghdad found a weapons cache of around 20 medium-range missiles equipped with potent chemical weapons, the U.S. news station National Public Radio reported on Monday.

NPR, which attributed the report to a top official with the 1st Marine Division, said the rockets, BM-21 missiles, were equipped with sarin and mustard gas and were "ready to fire." It quoted the source as saying new U.S. intelligence data showed the chemicals were "not just trace elements."

It said the cache was discovered by Marines with the 101st Airborne Division, which was following up behind the Army after it seized Baghdad's international airport.

U.S. Central Command headquarters in Qatar had no immediate comment.

The United States and Britain launched the war against Iraq to rid the country of weapons of mass destruction. Iraq denies having such weapons.

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Just a few quick cut and pastes while I wolf my lunch (for P/V since I know he loves them so much.)

Nerve agents detected in Iraq
Compound evacuated; troops show symptoms

Knight Ridder News Service
Last Updated: April 6, 2003

Albu Muhawish, Iraq - U.S. soldiers evacuated an Iraqi military compound on Sunday after tests by a mobile laboratory confirmed evidence of sarin nerve gas. More than a dozen soldiers of the Army's 101st Airborne Division had been sent earlier for chemical weapon decontamination after they exhibited symptoms of exposure to nerve agents.

The evacuation of dozens of soldiers Sunday night followed a day of tests for the nerve agent that came back positive, then negative. Additional tests Sunday night by an Army Fox mobile nuclear, biological and chemical detection laboratory confirmed the existence of sarin.

Sgt. Todd Ruggles, a biochemical expert attached to the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne said, "I was right" that chemical agents Iraq has denied having were present.

In addition to the soldiers sent for decontamination, a Knight Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman and two Iraqi prisoners of war also were hosed down with water and bleach.

U.S. soldiers found the suspect chemicals at two sites: an agricultural warehouse containing 55-gallon chemical drums and a military compound, which soldiers had begun searching Saturday. The soldiers also found hundreds of gas masks and chemical suits at the military complex, along with large numbers of mortar and artillery rounds.

Chemical tests for nerve agents in the warehouse came back positive for so-called G-Series nerve agents, which include sarin and Tabun, both of which Iraq has been known to possess. More than a dozen infantry soldiers who guarded the military compound Saturday night came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to very low levels of nerve agent, including vomiting, dizziness and skin blotches.

A hand-held scanning device also indicated that the soldiers had been exposed to a nerve agent. Two tests were negative, but further testing indicated sarin was present.

Sarin can be inhaled or absorbed through the skin and is considered one of the most feared but also the most volatile of the nerve agents. A cloud of sarin can dissipate after several minutes or hours depending on wind and temperature.

The soldiers, journalists and prisoners of war who tested positive were isolated as everyone else evacuated the area. After about 45 minutes, the group was walked, single-file, down a road for about a city block to where two water trucks awaited them. The men stepped between the two trucks and were hosed down as they lathered themselves with a detergent containing bleach.

1st Lt. Elena Aravjo of the 63rd Chemical Company said she thought there might well be chemical weapons at the site. "We do think there's stuff in this compound and the other (agricultural warehouse) compound, but we think it's buried," she said. "I'm really suspicious of both of those compounds."

The suspicions were widespread. The 2nd Brigade's commander, Col. Joseph Anderson, toured the site on Sunday, as did Brig. Gen. Benjamin C. Freakley, assistant commander of the 101st Airborne for operations. A short time later, the division commander, Maj. Gen. David H. Petraeus, also visited the site. They made no official comment about suspected nerve agents.

Troops not wearing chemical protection suits later reoccupied the military complex, while sections of the agricultural warehouse remained taped off.

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Northeast USA
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posted 04-07-2003 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

By: Novakeo

How many times does one have to explain to a neoconservative or their fogged up supporters that the government in Washington is not what America is all about? When will these perverted minds be able to comprehend that the shining light on the hill, America, was never intended to be defined by what the vast bureaucracies in DC and the elites that run them, say and do, the federal government has become an anathema to every principle that this nation was founded upon. When will they understand that a war to destroy evil is an impossibility, and if you engage in the same evil to fight a perceived evil, you only achieve the augmentation of evil itself. Evil feeds on evil, that’s how it grows and spreads its venomous excrement throughout humanity. Breaking constitutional and international laws to aggressively invade another country is an evil act.

There is no moral justification that can justify a war that has nothing to do with this nations security, Iraq has never presented itself as a plausible threat to the United States, as we now see, Iraq can barely defend herself from an invasion, so how could she then have been regarded as a military threat to the United States? The answer is that it was always a bunch of fabrications by the Bush clan and nothing more. Freeing a people from tyranny is also an illegitimate justification; no American should be sacrificed for a nation on the other side of the planet on the simplistic grounds of utopian humanitarianism, it’s not our business or responsibility. Destroying an evil dictator so he cannot in the future start a war of mass destruction is also an illegitimate position because it is based entirely on conjecture and suppositions and no foreign policy should be determined on rough guesses.

The act of using the flag as a blind folder to the truth is an immoral act in itself, and this is where many Americans find themselves when trying to justify and defend the morally unattainable. They instinctively resort to false accusations against some of those that oppose conquering the Middle East for the interests of the few at the expense of the many, of being un-American or just flat out un-patriotic, and spew out old jingoisms and clichés such as love it or leave it, it’s a war for freedom, a war against evil, a war against terrorism, a war for a secure future, and so on. All proven to be baseless and contrived many times over. Granted, there are many on the left that hate America and use any opportunity to trash her, this war being no exception.

The State and its minions does not have the authority to dictate what is patriotic behavior, the State definitely has no moral standing to speak of, and the immoral case that demands that Americans, right or wrong, must support the State in time of war is nothing more than mindless rhetoric worthy of scorn and derision, the Bush clan does not represent all of America, they never have and they never will. Deep down in the American conscious is a desire to be free from government tyranny, be it domestic or foreign, and it is very un-American to have Washington DC pursue imperialistic policies abroad and subjugate other peoples by force. Eventually Americans will realize that this is the case, and will try to put an end to this elitist subversion; it might be too late by then.

I am reminded of Edward Abbey’s statement – “A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government”, holds true today more than ever. There is a very pernicious criminal element within the Bush administration with the head honcho being its despicable leader, and wrapping oneself with the red white and blue will not hide you from the truth for long, you see, the truth in the end always finds a way to the surface so it can be revealed for all to see. And one thing boy George and his war buddies hate is anyone making the attempt to reveal the truth in what they are doing in the Middle East.

In recent interviews President Bush when faced with legitimate, daunting and penetrating questions, very few get through the screeners; after the initial confusion reveals a contemptuous face, lined with complete arrogance towards the audacity of such inquiries, any redolent criticisms is not to be tolerated and is extremely un-patriotic. Why? Because such questions could reveal the truth, and all the answers to the reasons for the illegal acts perpetrated by the Bush clan would be seen to be based on lies and half truths, and such a general revelation to the American public would bring the Bush clan swiftly to impeachment and criminal trials if the rule of law was still applicable to the ruling class in America. They lie to justify their morally bankrupt positions and criminality, then they lie some more to achieve a perception of vindication and righteousness, and finally sugar coat it with some more lies for the record.

Where has all this brought us as a society, its brought us to a demonic reality that permeates almost all facets of public life, a mass delusion of Babylon, no wonder the neocons are so intent on going to their spiritual home in the middle of Mesopotamia. The Bush clique demands that others go to kill others to justify their demonic existence. Their judgment will come sooner or later, here on earth or in the next continuance, either way; their ship will set sail on the gleaming lake of fire - that is their true destiny.

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