posted 04-11-2003 08:43 AM            

Nations like Saudi Arabia and Iran and N. Korea are careful to be on their best behavior. Russia just got a wake-up call when they saw that we've achieved in Afghanistan what they could not in ten years...and now Iraq in 3 weeks what Iran could not achieve in 10 years. Kinda changed Putin’s tune, didn’t it? Russia knows we are not going to mess around with them, and they know that we know who's been arming Iraq now. Ditto for France, Germany, Syria and China....Oh, and notice the deafening silence from China as of late...And what happened to that Kim Jong Il guy? Do ya think China might be telling him to cool his jets for now. Don’t want to piss off the American giant, who seems to be wide awake now do we? I think somebody just gave them a shot of caffeine and a strong wake-up call themselves....Cowboy Bush is in a serious mood to kick some hinee and take names. Notice now how obedient these countries become. Notice now how they keep a reign on their own terrorists they harbor....Let's see, two twin towers taken down and two countries fall, terrorists every where are on the run…100,000 evil SOBs fighting for evil men are now taking a dirt nap and those terrorist networks are quickly being dismantled everywhere one by one...Do the math…

Not such a hot move, eh Ossama? Care to be next Syria, What about you Iran and Saudi Arabia? Want to turn the whole damn Middle East into a US colony , then just send over some more of your terrorist morons. We've got a trigger happy cowboy as president saying "go ahead, make my daaaay"...and I love the guy for it. If you don't think these countries are thinking twice about financing any more terrorist activity, think again. Talk about a deterrent. If backwards thinkers like Mech don't understand this deterrence, then NOTHING is going to get through...but I'll guarantee you who DOES understand, and that is America's enemies. They got the message even if CNN and Mech still don't have a clue...

Oh and speaking of CNN, I was watching last night when some armchair intellectual guy with a phony elitist accent was bemoaning Rumsfeld's failure in the north of Iraq....Not enough armor vehicles in the North he was saying, that‘s why these cities are going to take so long to fall. I couldn't believe what I was hearing....at how completely oblivious to reality this person was. This morning, not even a day after those comments were uttered, several major cities in the north are now under coalition control without so much as one American casualty. So much for the CNN intellectuals. And what about that armor? Last I heard, it was on it's way to Saddam's home town where they are predicting the toughest fight. I’d say Rumsfeld and Franks know what the hell they are doing…

Welcome in the real weapons inspectors...

So much for Mr. Blix…or as I refer to him as Inspector Cluso, who can‘t find his ass with two hands not to mention two teams of Sherpa guides, a GPS tracker, a seeing eye dog. Maybe Euro Disney can give him a job parking cars or something.

Next stop...I say we "inspect" Paris.....

posted 04-11-2003 10:57 AM            

Got to love those DOUBLE POSTS OF THE SAME ARTICLE.

(See previous page)

Typical of a Chinese, slave-made plastic American flag waving...PHONY Patriot.

Just keep Cheering on LORD Bu$h.

The man who passed the Patriot act.

Makes ANY American an enemy of the government.
Haul em' off in secret...try them in secret.

Ohhh thank you Mr. Bu$h....!!

We want tyranny...we want BIG GOVERNMENT...we want "Security" instead of liberty.

Love the "Homeland".

NEVER question the government!

posted 04-11-2003 11:09 AM            

From Judith Moriarty
April 11, 2003

http://www.gooff.com/NM/templates/Breaking_News.asp?articleid=746&zoneid=2

posted 04-11-2003 11:21 AM            

11:59, Apr 11 2003

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/24by7panews/page.cfm?objectid=12835951&method=full&siteid=50143

Coalition forces in Iraq are breaching the Geneva Convention by failing to protect hospitals in Baghdad from looters, the United Nations claimed.

The UN Office of the Humanitarian Co-ordinator for Iraq (UNOHCI) said one of Baghdad's biggest hospitals Al Kindi had been ransacked and access to medical centres was almost impossible because of the "breakdown of law and order".

"The coalition forces seem to be unable to restrain the looters or impose any sort of controls on the mobs that now govern the streets," the UNOHCI said in a statement.

"This inaction by the occupying powers is in violation of the Geneva Conventions, which explicitly state that medical establishments must be protected, that the wounded and sick must be the object of particular protection and respect, and that hospital personnel must be protected and must be free to carry on their duties."

It added: "This situation not only endangers the lives of the war wounded, but of all patients who need regular treatment, such as dialysis in city's hospitals."

The organisation, which has no personnel in Iraq, said it was given an assessment of the situation in Baghdad yesterday by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) who has a media liaison officer in the capital.

"The picture he painted over the phone can be summed up in two words: anarchy and chaos. There is no law and no order at the moment in Baghdad," said the UNOHCI.

But despite the bleak picture the ICRC has resumed its visits to hospitals in Baghdad saying the security situation was still "volatile".

posted 04-11-2003 11:32 AM            

By ELIZABETH BECKER
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/11/business/11REBU.html?ex=1050638400&en=8e3c238766503e7b&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

WASHINGTON, April 10 — The Pentagon contract given without competition to a Halliburton subsidiary to fight oil well fires in Iraq is worth as much as $7 billion over two years, according to a letter from the Army Corps of Engineers that was released today.

The contract also allows Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary, to earn as much as 7 percent profit. That could amount to $490 million.

The corps released these new details in a letter to Representative Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California and one of the two senior lawmakers who asked the General Accounting Office to investigate how the Bush administration is awarding contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq.

The reconstruction effort could cost up to $100 billion and become one of the most lucrative building programs in decades.

The contract to Kellogg Brown & Root was cited in the lawmakers' request to the G.A.O., the investigative arm of Congress. Mr. Waxman and Representative John D. Dingell, Democrat of Michigan, asked that special attention be paid to "allegations that Halliburton has received special treatment from the administration."

Vice President Dick Cheney was Halliburton's chief executive from 1995 until 2000. When he left the company to run for vice president, Mr. Cheney received over $30 million in compensation, Mr. Waxman said.

Since the attacks of Sept. 11, Kellogg Brown & Root has won significant additional business from the federal government and the Pentagon. It has built cells for detainees at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba and is the exclusive logistics supplier for the Navy and the Army, providing services like cooking, construction, power generation and fuel transportation.

Since the war with Iraq began, Mr. Cheney has been repeatedly questioned about his ties to his old employer and the oil industry.

But the administration said that these contracts and all other contracts to rebuild Iraq were awarded without any comment from Mr. Cheney or anyone else in the White House.

"The White House has no role in selecting individual contractors," said Michael Anton, spokesman for the National Security Council.

Lt. Gen. Robert B. Flowers, the commander of the Corps of Engineers, wrote in his letter that Kellogg Brown & Root was chosen because it was the only contractor considered capable of developing what he called "complex, classified contingency plans" and then to carry them out "on extremely short notice."

"No other contractor could satisfy mission requirements in the time available," General Flowers wrote.

He also said that the Defense Department could not follow public procedures for awarding the contract, including a public notice, because the war plans and the need to fight oil fires in Iraq were then classified information. In the future, however, General Flowers promised "ample opportunity for competition" to restore Iraq's oil infrastructure.

The most sought-after contract will be awarded by the United States Agency for International Development and will cover the initial work to rebuild Iraq's roads, water and power systems, schools and hospitals. Bidding was restricted to five American companies for the same reasons that Kellogg Brown & Root won its contract without any competition: the need for speed and for security clearances.

But government contract experts say that those needs have been exaggerated and that they may be violations of international trade agreements as well as federal rules.

Mr. Waxman responded to the letter from General Flowers with several new questions.

While accepting that the administration may have had valid reasons for giving the two-year contract to Kellogg Brown & Root for emergency work during the war, Mr. Waxman wrote, "It is harder to understand, however, what the rationale would be for a sole-source contract that has a multiyear duration and a multibillion-dollar price tag."

posted 04-11-2003 11:33 AM            

so the president passed the patriot act eh ?

all by himself ?

well slap my fro !

posted 04-11-2003 11:34 AM            

LIBERATION? DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.

Don't be fooled by joyous scenes, says refugee

April 11 2003, 4:39 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/11/1049567869880.html

Scenes of joyous Baghdad residents welcoming United States soldiers gave a misleading impression of how Iraqis felt about the US, an Iraqi refugee said today.

Renwar Reben said the war was between two enemies of the Iraqi people - Saddam Hussein's regime and the US, which backed brutal regimes in Baghdad for 35 years.

"The next chapter is going to be a conflict between the Iraqi people and the invaders, the pro-American regime in Iraq," Dr Reben told reporters.

"Sooner or later, the Americans will face the revolutionary anger and aggressiveness of the Iraqi people."

Dr Reben said Iraqis believed the US was behind the Iran-Iraq war and the first Gulf War.

"Iraqis also know America supported Saddam Hussein's use of a biological bomb against Kurds in 1988.

"At that time, (former president) George Bush, the father (of the current US president), vetoed against condemnation of Iraq for these actions."

Iraqis also blamed the US for the suffering endured over the last 13 years because of UN economic sanctions.

"Five thousand children died each month because of lack of medication and lack of sanitation."

Dr Reben was speaking ahead of this weekend's Palm Sunday march, whose key aim this year will be to raise funds for the rebuilding of post-war Iraq.

"This first stage may mean the coalition of the willing has won the war but we have great concerns about whether they're able to achieve a winning of the peace," NSW Greens MP Ian Cohen told reporters.

Peter Jennings, executive officer of the union movement's overseas aid wing APHEDA, said Iraq cannot be neglected.

"On Palm Sunday, we have to raise our voices and say `the war's finished ... the hard work now starts," he told reporters.

"We don't want Iraq to become like Afghanistan, a wilderness."

Australia helped destroy Iraq, so it was up to Australians to help rebuild it, he said.

Colleen Hodge, education manager for the National Council of Churches, said a joint appeal had been launched with Muslim aid groups.

"(This is) to demonstrate our willingness to work together as people of faith and our shared commitment for peace, particularly at this time in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East."

posted 04-11-2003 12:28 PM            

by Kelley Kramer
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/03/27_lies.html

Here is a list of the serial lying from the Bush Regime about Iraq, including links to a cross section of all the news sources.

It's nowhere near a complete list, and you probably already knew about most of these lies, but its a great list to send any annoying dittohead who buys into this fake war.

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www.buzzflash.com

If Iraq is so bad, why does the Bush Administration have to repeatedly Lie to start a war?

1. Powell relies on FORGED documents to link Saddam to terror.

MSNBC: "They have been the closest of allies. But under the intense pressure of a diplomatic crisis at the United Nations and an imminent war in Iraq, the friendship between the United States and Britain is beginning to fray. The most recent strain emerged when U.N. nuclear inspectors concluded last week that U.S. and British claims about Iraq's secret nuclear program were based on forged documents. The fake letters supposedly laid out how Iraqi agents had tried to purchase uranium from officials in Niger, central Africa."

MORE: http://www.msnbc.com/news/883164.asp?cp1=1

CNN: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Intelligence documents that U.S. and British governments said were strong evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons have been dismissed as forgeries by U.N. weapons inspectors.

MORE: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/index.html

Sydney Morning Herald, Australia: The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, has demonstrated that UK and US intelligence authorities relied on forged documents to support assertions that Iraq was trying to buy uranium in Africa.

MORE: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/15/1047583740556.html

LA Times: WASHINGTON -- Phony weapons documents cited by the United States and Britain as evidence against Saddam Hussein were initially obtained by Italian intelligence authorities, who may have been duped into paying for the forgeries, U.S. officials said Friday. The documents, which purport to show Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium from Niger, were exposed as fraudulent by U.N. weapons inspectors last week. The matter has embarrassed U.S. and British officials.

MORE: http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-docs15mar15,0,5016930.story

And even more:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=africa+uranium+forged+documents

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2. Bush/Powell's UN "evidence" relies on even MORE supposedly "up to date" FORGED documents to link Saddam to terror.

CNN: Large chunks of the 19-page report -- highlighted by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell at the U.N. as a " fine paper ... which describes in exquisite detail Iraqi deception activities" -- contains large chunks lifted from other sources, according to several academics. " The British government's dossier is 19 pages long and most of pages 6 to 16 are copied directly from that document word for word, even the grammatical errors and typographical mistakes," Rangwala said. Al-Marashi's article, published last September, was based on information obtained at the time of the 1991 Gulf War, Rangwala said. " The information he was using is 12 years old and he acknowledges this in his article. The British government, when it transplants that information into its own dossier, does not make that acknowledgement. " So it is presented as current information about Iraq, when really the information it is using is 12 years old."

MORE: http://asia.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/07/sprj.irq.uk.dossier/

UK Guardian: Downing Street was last night plunged into acute international embarrassment after it emerged that large parts of the British government's latest dossier on Iraq - allegedly based on "intelligence material" - were taken from published academic articles, some of them several years old. Amid charges of "scandalous" plagiarism on the night when Tony Blair attempted to rally support for the US-led campaign against Saddam Hussein, Whitehall's dismay was compounded by the knowledge that the disputed document was singled out for praise by the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, in his speech to the UN security council on Wednesday.

MORE: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9115,892069,00.html
http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/worldwide/story/0,9959,890962,00.html
http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/207939.htm

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3. Bush/Powell tries to use edited audio-tape to LIE about Saddam/Bin Laden Connection.

NY Times: It offered little evidence of an alliance between Mr. Hussein and Mr. bin Laden, but it did seem to validate Arab leaders' warnings that Islamic extremists would exploit any assault on Baghdad to further inflame the region.

MORE: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/12/international/middleeast/12TAPE.html

NY Times: Germany dismissed Wednesday U.S. claims that a new audiotape purportedly by Osama bin Laden proved he was in league with Iraq, while some Muslims were cheered by the possibility the accused mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks was still alive.

More: Article Link

Philadelphia Daily News: But if bin Laden was trying to show personal solidarity with Saddam himself, he had a strange way of doing so. He denounced Saddam's secular, socialist al-Baath party as "infidels." What's more, the statement said that Iraq's rulers had "lost their credibility long ago" and that "socialists are infidels wherever they are." He didn't even mention Saddam by name.

MORE: http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/5157847.htm

Salon.com: War, lies and audiotape If truth is the first casualty of war, then this war's second casualty is the credibility of Colin Powell. Yesterday morning he insisted that the new tape from Osama bin Laden would show a "partnership" between al-Qaida and Iraq. He told the nation that he had a transcript of bin Laden's remarks. Understandably, however, the secretary of state didn't read from the transcript he claimed to have in his possession -- because it so clearly contradicted the headlines he was trying to create.

MORE: http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/02/12/osama/index_np.html
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4. Bush/Powell LIES again about Saddam's ability to deliver weapons of mass destruction.

News Interactive: An Iraqi drone found by UN weapons inspectors is of "very primitive" design and is definitely not capable of flying 500km as suggested by US Secretary of State Colin Powell, Jane's Defence Weekly said today.

On February 5, Powell told the UN Security Council that the Iraqis possessed a drone that could fly 500km, violating UN rules that limit the range of Iraqi weapons to 150km. " There is no possibility that the design shown on 12 March has the capability to fly anywhere near 500 kilometres," drones expert Ken Munson said on Jane's website (http://jdw.janes.com). " The design looks very primitive, and the engines -- which have their pistons exposed -- appear to be low-powered," he said.

MORE: Article Link

Originally from the NY Times: AL TAJI, Iraq -- To hear senior Bush administration officials tell it, Iraq's latest pilotless drone has the potential to be one of Saddam Hussein's deadliest weapons, able to deliver terrifying payloads of chemical and biological warfare agents across Iraq's borders to Israel or other neighboring states. It could even, they say, be broken down and smuggled into the United States for use in terrorist attacks. But viewed up close yesterday by reporters hastened by Iraqi officials to the Ibn Firnas weapons plant outside Baghdad, the vehicle the Iraqis have code-named RPV-30A, for remotely piloted vehicle, looked more like something out of the Rube Goldberg museum of aeronautical design than anything that could threaten Iraq's foes. To the layman's eye, the unveiling of the Iraqi prototype seemed to lend the crisis over Iraq's weapons an aura less of deadly threat than of farce.

"In any case, he and other officials said, the vehicle could not be controlled from a distance of more than 5 miles, in good weather, since its controllers tracked it "with the naked eye."

MORE: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/112262_drone13.shtml

Boston Globe: Duct tape reinforced by aluminum foil held together the black and white drone's balsa wood wings. The wooden propellers and tiny engines were fastened to a well-worn fuselage, fashioned from the fuel tank of a larger aircraft. The words ''God is Great'' were hand painted in red ink on both sides. Perched on a sawhorse at a military research base 20 miles north of Baghdad, the drone looked more like a large school science project than a vehicle capable of delivering chemical and biological weapons. Iraqi officials denied the airplane had any strategic use.

More: Article Link
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5. Bush/Powell LIE about Iraq's Nuclear capabilities concerning "aluminum tubes":

ABC News: Before Congress, and in public, President Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell have repeatedly pointed to aluminum tubes imported by Iraq which they say are for use in making nuclear weapons. But on Friday, head United Nations nuclear inspector Mohammad ElBaradei told the Security Council that it wasn't likely that the tubes were for that use. ElBaradei also said that documents Bush had cited and relied upon to make the case that Iraq tried to buy uranium from a country in central Africa were fake.

More: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/2020/GMA030310Iraq_weapons_evidence.html

Washington Post: The finding: Iraq had tried to buy thousands of high-strength aluminum tubes, which Bush said were "used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon." But according to government officials and weapons experts, the claim now appears to be seriously in doubt. After weeks of investigation, U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq are increasingly confident that the aluminum tubes were never meant for enriching uranium, according to officials familiar with the inspection process. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the U.N.-chartered nuclear watchdog, reported in a Jan. 8 preliminary assessment that the tubes were "not directly suitable" for uranium enrichment

posted 04-11-2003 01:09 PM            

quote:

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I'm glad I do not pay tuition to the schools that taught you and kook history...

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my post... http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000917-12.html

quote:

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I've been a student of history for several years without taking one formal class.

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posted 04-11-2003 01:47 PM            

http://www.whodies.com/lies_profits.html

posted 04-11-2003 02:50 PM            

I wouldn't worry too much about the looting and the chaos of the un-policed masses. This was to be expected. Eventually the Iraqi people will loose tolerance for it and begin to police themselves. This is not the job for the US military, and the UN is certainly out of the picture on this one...but hey, this is the price of freedom that the Iraqi people must learn for themselves. It's called responsibility. Freedom comes with responsibility. Leaving Saddam in power was not an option and believe it or not, the liberation of the Iraqi people is not our mission (although it is a nice side-effect).

Our mission was to eliminate Saddam's WMD capability and therefore cause a regime change. Nuclear and biological capabilities are being uncovered as I type and this threat is being removed. If I have to once again explain why this was a threat to Mech once again, then he is truly an idiot.

The problem with Mech is that he does not comprehend or believe what the mission was. This mission is being fulfilled beautifully. Secondly, Mech continues with this idiotic idea that this was all about oil. Uh...so according to Mech, we just spent 100 billion dollars (estimated) to get a ten dollar discount for oil sold on the world market anyway? I don't think so. Basic first grade reasoning will tell you this does not make sense from any standpoint, economic or otherwise.

That leaves the mission....which was to remove and eliminate Saddam's WMD capability, despite the operation's name (Iraqi Freedom). Iraqi Freedom was actually not the first priority. Eliminating a potential terrorist supplier and nuclear terrorist threat to the United States or it's allies WAS the first priority.

This objective has been achieved with the greatest efficiency and least loss of life to both US troops and innocent civilians, than any war in human history. This war is unprecedented in this area.

Now comes the clean-up phase. Order will come about naturally as a result of Iraqis policing themselves and the US military presence, until an interim government can be installed. The last thing you want to do is to replace a tyrannical regime that ruled through complete oppression and fear with a US police state that rules through oppression and fear. This is why the US is not interfering in this area. It is no small problem, but it was absolutely necessary that it occurred this way. The only other option that the anti-war, America haters like Mech seem to be suggesting was to leave the dictator in power.

Newsflash to Mech; this was tried by the first Bush administration, and has proven itself a failed policy over the last 12 years as evidenced by 18 UN resolutions that were blatantly violated...as evidenced by the human atrocities and near 3 million deaths that continued unabated during Saddam's reign of terror..as evidenced by the fact that Saddam did not stop with his WMD programs (as evidenced by the evidence our "inspectors", the real inspectors, are now uncovering).

posted 04-11-2003 04:12 PM            

and futhermore I don't bait if you reply fine if you don't I certainly won't loose any sleep over it...

now...

He boasts of having been permitted “to examine its papers and secret records,” and confirms the existence of an over-arching conspiracy, and details the origin and eventual power of the CFR and allied groups. (1997 ed, 1348pp, hb)

well let's see these secret records...the book was 1935, a reference to was 1997...must not be very damning stuff...the above quote from kook's cross thread is a meaningless statement to those who demand facts...

probably works on sheep I suppose...

concrete proof

posted 04-11-2003 04:32 PM            

"----While the young American soldiers sent to kill or be killed in Iraq will return home to find that jobs, money for education and benefits for veterans are all being slashed, those who have promoted the war—the oil companies, arms contractors, construction firms and their political stooges—hope to reap a windfall from the shattered country.----"

Complicity of the Democratic Party

"---Just as it has backed Bush on the war in Iraq, the Democratic Party provides the administration with the support it needs to carry out an oppressive social policy at home. On all essential questions, it stands with the Republicans in defending the profits and privileges of the American financial oligarchy.--"

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ATTENTION MODERATORS---NOTE FASTWALKERS POST OF THE SAME ARTICLE TWICE IN ONE THREAD....THIS CONSTITUTUTES TROLLING..SEE ABOVE AND BELOW.

posted 04-11-2003 05:15 PM            

I wouldn't worry too much about the looting and the chaos of the un-policed masses. This was to be expected. Eventually the Iraqi people will loose tolerance for it and begin to police themselves. This is not the job for the US military, and the UN is certainly out of the picture on this one...but hey, this is the price of freedom that the Iraqi people must learn for themselves. It's called responsibility. Freedom comes with responsibility. Leaving Saddam in power was not an option and believe it or not, the liberation of the Iraqi people is not our mission (although it is a nice side-effect).

Our mission was to eliminate Saddam's WMD capability and therefore cause a regime change. Nuclear and biological capabilities are being uncovered as I type and this threat is being removed. If I have to once again explain why this was a threat to Mech once again, then he is truly an idiot.

The problem with Mech is that he does not comprehend or believe what the mission was. This mission is being fulfilled beautifully. Secondly, Mech continues with this idiotic idea that this was all about oil. Uh...so according to Mech, we just spent 100 billion dollars (estimated) to get a ten dollar discount for oil sold on the world market anyway? I don't think so. Basic first grade reasoning will tell you this does not make sense from any standpoint, economic or otherwise.

That leaves the mission....which was to remove and eliminate Saddam's WMD capability, despite the operation's name (Iraqi Freedom). Iraqi Freedom was actually not the first priority. Eliminating a potential terrorist supplier and nuclear terrorist threat to the United States or it's allies WAS the first priority.

This objective has been achieved with the greatest efficiency and least loss of life to both US troops and innocent civilians, than any war in human history. This war is unprecedented in this area.

Now comes the clean-up phase. Order will come about naturally as a result of Iraqis policing themselves and the US military presence, until an interim government can be installed. The last thing you want to do is to replace a tyrannical regime that ruled through complete oppression and fear with a US police state that rules through oppression and fear. This is why the US is not interfering in this area. It is no small problem, but it was absolutely necessary that it occurred this way. The only other option that the anti-war, America haters like Mech seem to be suggesting was to leave the dictator in power.

Newsflash to Mech; this was tried by the first Bush administration, and has proven itself a failed policy over the last 12 years as evidenced by 18 UN resolutions that were blatantly violated...as evidenced by the human atrocities and near 3 million deaths that continued unabated during Saddam's reign of terror..as evidenced by the fact that Saddam did not stop with his WMD programs (as evidenced by the evidence our "inspectors", the real inspectors, are now uncovering).

posted 04-11-2003 07:33 PM               

>>These obvious facts would not need such repetition<<

posted 04-11-2003 07:48 PM            

Thanks for removing the Mech garbage midi Lulu. Btw, if spamming were grounds for removal, Mech would have been removed a long time ago if the mods were really genuine about FAIRLY abiding by rules....

posted 04-11-2003 08:03 PM            

I'm gonna go back to work in the oil field and cash in on some of this easy money

posted 04-11-2003 09:59 PM            

quote:

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if the mods were really genuine about FAIRLY abiding by rules....

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Do you think we (mods) get some kind of sick pleasure out of our baby-sitting duties? Well, we don't posters from all sides have crossed the line, name calling and personal attacks, vulgarity, tasteless pics, personal info, trolling and on and on... We offer kindly advice to cease and desist such behavior then we're forced to a more severe decision and it's never popular no matter what is decided.

OK end of rant, but could you all kindly patrol yourselves a little and quit projecting your lack of self control on Lulu, Thermit and me, making us the heavies for trying to keep the board readable around here?

posted 04-11-2003 10:16 PM            

milord bush

we peasants mean insult by our
flagrant support of facts

posted 04-12-2003 06:12 AM            

Really, your quote inferred that us mods were not acting fairly, I was not speaking for myself, maybe you should read my post again.