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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 04-25-2003 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok...sharon hates palestinian's ?

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shatoga
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posted 04-25-2003 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shatoga     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just as soon as some WMD can be removed from
storage, transported, and placed..
where they can then be "found"

it shall be done.

That is a good reason to keep impartial UN weapons inspectors out
they might tell the truth.

The truth will destroy Bush.

Mech,
Be glad a third debunker has been assigned to attempt to counter the truths you post.

That is a complement by the PRopagandists.

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theseeker
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posted 04-25-2003 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bush will go down in history as one of the best presidents ever !

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posted 04-25-2003 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and to add shitoga...you really should not drink whilst behind the keyboard...

Be glad a third debunker has been assigned to attempt to counter the truths you post.

3 ?

assigned ?

mech/truth ?

shitoga paranoid delusional..YES !

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Mech
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posted 04-25-2003 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shatoga...

They (propagandists) are everywhere...and well paid.


CIA/FBI (patriotlad) and, as we now are seeing KGB.

Only in the new "Homeland" America.

But as I have always said...read the articles for yourself and make up YOUR OWN MIND.

As far as i'm concerned..Bush is like Bill Clinton on crack and will go down in history of one of the most tyrranical American leaders in history.

Definately a traitor to the constitution.

Keep in mind though that Bu$h is a figurehead for the globalists/world bankers/illuminati/Bilderbergs/WTO etc.

He does their dirtywork and makes it look "nice".




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posted 04-25-2003 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DU. SICKENING THE TROOPS AND IRAQI CIVILIANS


Gulf troops face tests for cancer
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,943267,00.html

Paul Brown, environment correspondent
Friday April 25, 2003
The Guardian

Soldiers returning from the Gulf will be offered tests to check levels of depleted uranium in their bodies to assess whether they are in danger of suffering kidney damage and lung cancer as a result of exposure, the Ministry of Defence said last night.

The ministry was responding to a warning earlier in the day from the Royal Society, Britain's premier scientific body, that soldiers and civilians might be exposed to dangerous levels. It challenged earlier reassurances from the defence secretary, Geoff Hoon, that depleted uranium was not a risk.

A ministry spokeswoman said that if soldiers followed instructions correctly and wore respirators in areas where depleted uranium might have been used they would not suffer dangerous exposure, but all would be offered urine tests. The overall results would be published.

The ministry said it would also publish details of where and how much depleted uranium was used, and hoped the Americans would do the same.

Professor Brian Spratt FRS, chairman of the society's working group on depleted uranium, said: "It is highly unsatisfactory to deploy a large amount of a material that is weakly radioactive and chemically toxic without knowing how much soldiers and civilians have been exposed to it.

"It is only by measuring the levels of DU in the urine of soldiers that we can understand the intakes of DU that occur on the battlefield, which is a requirement for a better assessment of any hazards to health. It is vital that this monitoring takes place and that it takes place within a matter of months."

He said civilians in Iraq should be protected by checking milk and water samples for depleted uranium over a prolonged period. Some soldiers might suffer kidney damage and increased risk of lung cancer if they breathed in substantial amounts.

He added: "It is essential that we measure exposures in a sample of soldiers across the battlefield, not just those who may have had substantial exposures, but also foot soldiers and field hospital staff across Iraq. We also need to know the exposures of Iraqis living in any residential areas where DU munitions were deployed. We believe that exposures to DU will be low for most individuals, but we need to take measurements."

Last month Mr Hoon was dismissive about the threat. He told the Commons that there was "not the slightest scientific evidence" to suggest that depleted uranium left a poisonous residue.

The report from the society was released on the same day as assessment by the United Nations environment programme (Unep) on the situation in Iraq, which also included concerns about depleted uranium.

Depleted uranium is standard in a number of anti-tank weapons. Amounts in bullets, shells and bombs vary from 300 grams to 7 tonnes in the bunker-busters of the type dropped on Baghdad. The bombs used on the restaurant in an unsuccessful attempt to kill Saddam Hussein are believed to have contained tonnes of depleted uranium which would have contaminated the surrounding area.

Experts have calculated that from all sources between 1,000 and 2,000 tonnes of depleted uranium were used by the coalition in the three-week conflict.

Unep said immediate priorities should include restoring the water supply and sanitation systems, and cleaning pollution hot spots and waste sites to reduce the risk of epidemics from accumulated municipal and medical wastes.

Prof Spratt added: "About 340 tonnes of DU were fired in the 1991 Gulf war. The coalition needs to make clear where and how much DU was used in the recent conflict.

"Fragments of DU penetrators are potentially hazardous, and a recent Royal Society study recommended that they should be removed, and areas of contamination around impact sites identified, and where necessary made safe."

He said impact sites in residential areas should be a priority and urged long-term monitoring of water and milk.

"The question of who carries out the initial monitoring and clean-up is a political rather than scientific question," he said. Monitoring, however, is likely to be a long-term task, spanning many years, so it is vital that Iraq acquires the capabilities to undertake this itself.

"The coalition needs to acknowledge that depleted uranium is a potential hazard and make in-roads into tackling it by being open about where and how much depleted uranium has been deployed."

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posted 04-25-2003 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rense.com

Fatherland
The Remake


By Simon Jones
4-25-3

Fatherland, a potboiler by Robert Harris that caused a brief flurry as a 1994 cable-TV movie, begins with the tantalizing thesis that Hitler won WWII, defeating Russia and England, and that after 2 decades of Cold War with the US, President Joseph Kennedy (quasi-fascist US Ambassador to England in the late '30s and father of JFK) arrives in Berlin to make peace with the 75 year-old Hitler.

But wait. What have we today: the son of another corporatist president stages a coup, takes over a government now unashamedly run by corporations, defeats Russia and England, invades the Middle East, and gains a stranglehold on the world economy. Pax Americana has arrived, cowing all and sundry into submission with its overwhelming military might.

So 'Hitler' DID win! Or rather, the New World's sober, less dogmatic corporatism (remember Mussolini's definition of fascism?), as opposed to the wild, over-the-top version by H in the Old World (which is now in the grips of a pacifist quasi-socialism).

Fatherland's hokey dramatic twist is that somehow a few stray Jews survived the holocaust, and a brave American woman journalist teams up with a dissident Kraut (in and out of bed) to spill the beans on the nasty nazis. The peace unravels and US democracy triumphs. "Hepi end!" as the Russians say.

In our new improved version, let's call it Disneyland, what do we have: the plucky zios ("We survived the holocaust, so we can do ANYTHING we like now to ANYBODY! And besides, you're an anti-Semite.") have teamed up with US goyim corporatists and Bible-belt apocalyptos to carry out H's botched job. Trust the Jews to do things properly. Hitler's big mistake: if only he had had the sense to make use of this racial dynamo of smarts and energy - promise them their own Palestinian lebensraum and keep the rest for the Aryans.

The racism and violence of the zios today at least matches that of Hitler. It's just more calculating, camouflaging itself as an 'eye for an eye.' I won't bore you with rants about the USS Liberty, quotes from the eloquent statesman (and certified war criminal) Sharon about having the US is his pocket, test balloons about the final solution for the Palestinians (mass deportation from the 'so-called' occupied territories), compelling evidence of Israeli complicity in 9-11 ... Just the death toll of since the 2nd Intifada began should be enough to make you wonder about past zio machinations - 800 Israeli Jews have been sacrificed (albeit along with 2000 Palestinians). Meanwhile, hundreds of Palestinian homes are bulldozed, olive orchards razed or poisoned, and replaced by more illegal zio settlers. It appears to be only a question of time until the triumph of Greater Israel.

Therein lies the nub or knout, so to speak. The same fascist psychology - ends justify the means, terrorize your victims into submission or, better, herd them into concentration/ refugee camps and kill them off - is at work, and as long as I breathe I have to believe that this will ultimately lead to their defeat, that somehow the forces of justice will prevail. Otherwise life is just not worth living.

As there is no longer any Soviet Union to call the US's bluff, we'll just have to think up a new plot twist for our 'Hepi end.' How's this: US inner city blacks, intellectuals, greens, and labor, using civil disobedience and boycotts, and organizing via the internet, join up with people and governments abroad (except the coalition of the coerced and bribed) to oust these neo-fascists, give the UN real power to guarantee world security, disarm, rebuild our devastated cities and save what's left of our dying environment...

The only alternative I can see is a string of 'wars of liberation', fomenting chaos and wreaking havoc in country after country. The Bushies have already warned Syria, Iran, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela that they are all on Santa's list, so 'better watch out'. I've been brushing up on my Revelations since the Bush coup, and it says that the reign of the anti-Christ will follow just such a scenario, culminating with a fiery conflagration during which the 'chosen' will get a first-class ticket to God while the rest of us burn our asses. Apparently the anti-Christ will sincerely believe he's carrying out God's will, even while he is in the process of destroying God's creation. Sound like anyone you know?

No, this 4th Reich, with its magic formula "corporatism + Zionism = neo-fascism" cannot be allowed to triumph. We must reject this ultimate dystopia, with our blood if necessary.

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posted 04-25-2003 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
'Those who built up Hussein will profit from his demise'

Posted on Friday, April 25 @ 10:01:57 EDT By Margie Burns

The notion that Iraq posed a threat to the United States should now be exposed as transparent pretense.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=11150&mode=nested&order=0

Probability always was against the idea. Iraq is less than one-twentieth the size of America in land area and less than one-tenth the size of America in population.

In fact, Iraq is smaller than Italy, Kenya, Malaysia, both Koreas and Poland. It has less than one-third the population of Vietnam. (These figures are derived from the World Almanac and Book of Facts.)

The Iraqis already have been wasted by two wars in the past 20 years, which depleted their male population. Their oil resources are vast, but their agriculture and industry both are debilitated. Without allies, or Kuwait, they hardly have a port.

Even the CIA's World Fact Book (www.cia.gov) details the miseries of Iraq's economy.

Against this backdrop - let's call it, for want of a better word, reality - the Bush White House pushed a mysterious campaign that Saddam Hussein's Iraq posed a threat to the largest military power the world has ever seen, a hemisphere away, because of secret weapons so terrible that they have yet to be named.

Now might be a good time to point out that they also have yet to be found.

On top of geography, you also have strategy. The administration placed thousands of troops within Saddam's reach, several thousand at a time, from late fall to the beginning of the invasion.

Well before Christmas, a friend of mine with relatives in the military was telling me, "Everybody's on beepers" (ordered to be available for call-up).

Any rational observer of high-level politics would have to ask: "Okay, if Saddam's Iraq really was powered up like another Third Reich, then why did Bush's people move thousands of American troops within sitting-duck range for weeks and months on end, placing all those precious lives in jeopardy from some of the most fiendish weapons ever devised?

The answer, of course, is that they didn't. The big-talking, big-oil Iraqi regime was not an apparatus on the scale of the government, the military, or even one Cabinet agency of the United States.

The endlessly televised image of a grotesque Saddam Hussein shooting off a rifle aimlessly upward, at the empty air, is the perfect metaphor for the Iraqi regime. It endangered people down below, especially with help from the economic sanctions, but it was very little threat above.

Now Iraq's governing clique has collapsed like a puffball, with Saddam mysteriously missing in action. Let's hope that the public interest prevails and that he is captured, as a valuable intelligence source, rather than killed.

Meanwhile, this White House is trying to move America into the Middle East. The administration is not saying so publicly, of course, because it's not a popular idea.

Former United Nations' weapons inspector Scott Ritter reported that people now in the administration had this game plan in the drawer during the 1990s, yet not one word was said about it during the 2000 election. Had Al Gore accused George W. Bush of having this plan, people would have been calling up right-wing radio hosts in tears.

Smothering public information is the means to every end. The administration is covering up and drowning out investigation into 9/11, even while using it as a pretext for invading Iraq.

Megabucks profiteering occurs in contracts for invading and rebuilding Iraq, with the president's own relatives among those profiting, but the White House freezes out any reporter who tries to ask about it.

The CIA and the Reagan and previous Bush administrations beefed up Saddam in the first place, and some of the same contractors who profited from the beefing-up now stand to profit from the invasion, but there seems an unwritten rule against bringing up these matters in the Washington news media.

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Banned weapons may never be found in Iraq: Says Bush

Last Updated Fri, 25 Apr 2003 8:21:07
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/04/25/bush_iraq_wmd030425

WASHINGTON - U.S. President George W. Bush has hinted that chemical and biological weapons might not be found in Iraq, saying the arsenal could have been destroyed or moved out of the country.

* INDEPTH: Iraq: Issues and Analysis

Bush said Thursday he's certain Saddam Hussein's regime had such weapons at one time, even though U.S. forces in Iraq have so far turned up nothing.

At a speech at an Ohio factory that makes parts for battle tanks, Bush for the first time hinted that Saddam's weapons cache might never be found.

"It's going to take time to find them, but we know he had them. And whether he destroyed them, moved them or hid them, we're going to find out the truth," said Bush.

"One thing is for certain: Saddam Hussein no longer threatens America with weapons of mass destruction," he said.

But much of the world is asking whether Saddam was ever a threat to the U.S., since no trace of the weapons that were the original justification for the war in Iraq has been found.

At an earlier stop in Ohio, Bush portrayed the war in Iraq as one of liberation, designed to remove a despot.

Written by CBC News Online staff

ONLY REMOVES A DESPOT WHEN THE GLOBALISTS STAND TO GAIN

WHAT ABOUT ISRAELS WMD'S ?

NEVER MIND THE HORRIBLE THINGS GOING ON IN SUDAN OR NIGERIA

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theseeker
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sharon hates palestinian's ?

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Army Secretary Thomas White Resigns
29 minutes ago
April 25, 2002

WASHINGTON - Army Secretary Thomas White, who has been at odds with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld over means of modernizing the Army, resigned Friday.


A brief Pentagon statement announcing the resignation gave no reason for White's decision. In the statement, Rumsfeld thanked White for his service and said that his departure date had not yet been determined.

White became engaged in a public dispute with Rumsfeld last year over the defense secretary's proposal to cancel the Crusader artillery project, which White said was vital to the Army's future. Rumsfeld decided it was not suited for wars of the future and eventually canceled the program.

White also became embroiled in a controversy over his former role as an executive with Enron Corp., the scandal-ridden energy trading company.

Speculation that White would leave his post has circulated widely for many months, but there appeared to be no recent event or conflict that prompted him to submit his resignation on Friday, one senior official said.

White is a Vietnam veteran and former Special Forces soldier. He became Army secretary on May 31, 2001.

The Army secretary's responsibilities by law are for all matters relating to Army personnel, reserve affairs, installations, environmental issues, weapons systems development and financial management.

None of the three service secretaries is in the military chain of command.

White is a West Point graduate, class of 1967. He rose to the rank of brigadier general before retiring from the Army in July 1990.

From 1990 to 2001 White was employed by Enron and held several senior executive positions.



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theseeker
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posted 04-25-2003 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NEVER MIND THE HORRIBLE THINGS GOING ON IN SUDAN OR NIGERIA

UN territory there chief...why don't you ask the man who let all that stuff go down these past years...

Kofi

btw mechy old boy you...did you even say one way or another your opinion about the taliban ?

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posted 04-25-2003 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

BUSH'S LIES

http://www.geocities.com/ellis_brighton/speech2.html

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theseeker
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posted 04-25-2003 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MECH LIES and continues to not answer questions !

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000546-42.html

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posted 04-25-2003 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MORE BUSH ADMINISTRATION LIES......

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=11152&mode=nested&order=0

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posted 04-25-2003 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Proud Veteran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
smirkingchimp.com?

Man oh man, you have stooped to a record low as far as propaganda sites go. ROFLMAO @ this

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shatoga
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'smirking chimp' is kind compared to the clinton haters' rhetoric of 8 years.


"Get over it!" Newt Gingrich.

Respect Newt? or post according to the PR manual?
Real people or PR? (maggots)

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posted 04-26-2003 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Stupid War
by Scott McPherson, April 25, 2003
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0304s.asp

President Bush and his allies claimed emphatically during the months leading up to the invasion of Iraq that Saddam Hussein was an evil madman in possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), requiring an immediate preemptive invasion to topple his dictatorial regime and avert a nuclear, biological, or chemical (NBC) attack on the American people. An invasion of Iraq, we were told, would make us safer.

Far from providing meaningful conclusions on Iraq’s actual intentions towards the United States, however, this war’s swift conclusion simply raises more questions.

For instance, if Iraq did in fact have WMDs, why were they never used on the battlefield? Certainly, if we’re to believe that Saddam Hussein was so unstable that given half a chance he would fire a chemical warhead at the United States — knowing he would be devastated by the inevitable counterstrike — then surely we could at least have expected a comparable attack on U.S. and allied forces who were trying to destroy him. This point by itself raises serious doubts about U.S. claims of the Iraqi “threat.”

Now, a student of Soviet battle doctrine may counter that if Hussein was killed, seriously injured, or otherwise held indisposed in the first few days of fighting, his army would have been like a headless body awaiting orders.

Aside from being pure conjecture, this rebuttal doesn’t address the likelihood that such orders would have been given in advance. Allegedly, Hussein had been preparing to carry out just such a cataclysmic attack for months or years anyway, long before U.S. soldiers started heading towards the Persian Gulf.

And on that note, why didn’t he just order a preemptive NBC-type strike against the hundreds of thousands of troops massing in the Kuwaiti desert, before they had a chance to press forward across his border? It’s not as if the names and locations of U.S. and allied camps were kept secret — they would have been sitting ducks in the sights of this unstable dictator supposedly with his finger on “the button.”

Logically considered, the failure of Saddam Hussein to deploy WMDs of any type against invading American, British, and Australian forces makes the Bush administration look like Chicken Little with a cruise missile.

Which leads us to another, albeit most disconcerting, possibility: What if Iraq didn’t have any WMDs? This may seem unlikely, given Hussein’s past behavior, but if no smoking gun is ever found, the U.S. government will have a whole lot of explaining to do. President Bush, Colin Powell, and Donald Rumsfeld can insist all they want that the weapons just can’t be found or were smuggled to a neighboring state (“Operation Syrian Freedom,” anyone?), but millions around the world will seethe with anger and pray for America’s demise more than they already are — not an altogether comforting thought.

Another explanation may be that Saddam Hussein hates the United States so much that, knowing he couldn’t stand up to American tanks on a battlefield, he decided to hand over any WMDs he may have had to an organization like al-Qaeda. Pro-Bush types will claim that he probably had already done so, but this assertion has serious practical inconsistencies, the most pronounced being that it was box cutters and our own commercial airliners, not dirty bombs, that were the weapon of choice for the September 11 terrorists. Hussein had more than 10 years between the Gulf War and the September 11 attacks to launch a WMD attack on the United States, and it didn’t happen.

Moreover, Hussein and Osama bin Laden are hardly a good fit. Hussein was a secularist dictator; bin Laden is a radical Muslim extremist. The Taliban government of Afghanistan was more to al-Qaeda’s liking, which is precisely why they were hosted there and not in Iraq. Osama bin Laden armed with WMDs might have forced regime change in Baghdad even more quickly than the U.S. Marines did.

Ironically, Saddam Hussein would have feared this prospect before the United States started threatening his control, but with nothing left to lose ...? As Norman Mailer warned in Why Are We at War? published on the eve of the invasion, “We might vanquish Iraq and still suffer from the catastrophe we claimed to be going to war to avert. Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction could yet belong to bin Laden.”

The conclusion of this latest foreign-policy drama, cooked up by empire-driven hawks in the U.S. government, is still unfolding, but we do have certain facts available which allow us a highly principled condemnation of the invasion of Iraq. We know no WMDs have ever been used by Iraq against the United States. We have also yet to prove conclusively that Iraq even had such weapons. In the event none are ever found, what then will justify U.S. troops on Iraqi soil?

Yet, should WMD stashes eventually be located, rather than lend credibility to the president’s warnings, it will actually make a mockery of them. How exactly do you explain a threat from weapons that have never been used, even under ideal circumstances?

And finally, we have to wonder at the probability that, facing his own inevitable downfall, Saddam Hussein simply threw caution to the wind and gave weapons capable of merciless devastation to Osama bin Laden, for use against their shared nemesis, the United States. When we consider that this most likely would not have taken place had our government minded its own business and stayed out of Iraq, then the grand total of the possible consequences and connotations of the U.S. government’s invasion of Iraq makes this the stupidest and most unjustified war in our nation’s history.

Scott McPherson is a policy advisor at The Future of Freedom Foundation.

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LIES OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION....WHERE ARE THE WMD'S?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/US/globalshow_030425.html

----W A S H I N G T O N, April 25 — To build its case for war with Iraq, the Bush administration argued that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but some officials now privately acknowledge the White House had another reason for war — a global show of American power and democracy.-----


BLOOD FOR OIL

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tasty bite of crow....

The proof that Saddam worked with bin Laden
By Inigo Gilmore
(Filed: 27/04/2003)


Iraqi intelligence documents discovered in Baghdad by The Telegraph have provided the first evidence of a direct link between Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda terrorist network and Saddam Hussein's regime.

Papers found yesterday in the bombed headquarters of the Mukhabarat, Iraq's intelligence service, reveal that an al-Qa'eda envoy was invited clandestinely to Baghdad in March 1998.

The documents show that the purpose of the meeting was to establish a relationship between Baghdad and al-Qa'eda based on their mutual hatred of America and Saudi Arabia. The meeting apparently went so well that it was extended by a week and ended with arrangements being discussed for bin Laden to visit Baghdad.

The papers will be seized on by Washington as the first proof of what the United States has long alleged - that, despite denials by both sides, Saddam's regime had a close relationship with al-Qa'eda.

The Telegraph found the file on bin Laden inside a folder lying in the rubble of one of the rooms of the destroyed intelligence HQ. There are three pages, stapled together; two are on paper headed with the insignia and lettering of the Mukhabarat.

They show correspondence between Mukhabarat agencies over preparations for the visit of al-Qa'eda's envoy, who travelled to Iraq from Sudan, where bin Laden had been based until 1996. They disclose what Baghdad hopes to achieve from the meeting, which took place less than five months before bin Laden was placed at the top of America's most wanted list following the bombing of two US embassies in east Africa.

Perhaps aware of the sensitivities of the subject matter, Iraqi agents at some point clumsily attempted to mask out all references to bin Laden, using white correcting fluid. The dried fluid was removed to reveal the clearly legible name three times in the documents.

One paper is marked "Top Secret and Urgent". It is signed "MDA", a codename believed to be the director of one of the intelligence sections within the Mukhabarat, and dated February 19, 1998. It refers to the planned trip from Sudan by bin Laden's unnamed envoy and refers to the arrangements for his visit.

A letter with this document says the envoy is a trusted confidant of bin Laden. It adds: "According to the above, we suggest permission to call the Khartoum station [Iraq's intelligence office in Sudan] to facilitate the travel arrangements for the above-mentioned person to Iraq. And that our body carry all the travel and hotel costs inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin Laden."

The letter refers to al-Qa'eda's leader as an opponent of the Saudi Arabian regime and says that the message to convey to him through the envoy "would relate to the future of our relationship with him, bin Laden, and to achieve a direct meeting with him."

According to handwritten notes at the bottom of the page, the letter was passed on through another director in the Mukhabarat and on to the deputy director general of the intelligence service.

It recommends that "the deputy director general bring the envoy to Iraq because we may find in this envoy a way to maintain contacts with bin Laden". The deputy director general has signed the document. All of the signatories use codenames.

The other documents then confirm that the envoy travelled from Khartoum to Baghdad in March 1998, staying at al-Mansour Melia, a first-class hotel. It mentions that his visit was extended by a week. In the notes in a margin, a name "Mohammed F. Mohammed Ahmed" is mentioned, but it is not clear whether this is the the envoy or an agent.

Intriguingly, the Iraqis talk about sending back an oral message to bin Laden, perhaps aware of the risk of a written message being intercepted. However, the documents do not mention if any meeting took place between bin Laden and Iraqi officials.

The file contradicts the claims of Baghdad, bin Laden and many critics of the coalition that there was no link between the Iraqi regime and al-Qa'eda. One Western intelligence official contacted last night described the file as "sensational", adding: "Baghdad clearly sought out the meeting. The regime would have wanted it to happen in the capital as it's only there they would feel safe from surveillance by Western intelligence."

Over the past three weeks, The Telegraph has discovered various other intelligence files in the wrecked Mukhabarat building, including documents revealing how Russia passed on to Iraq details of private conversations between Tony Blair and Silvio Berlusconi, the Italian prime minister, and how Germany held clandestine meetings with the regime.

A Downing Street spokesman said last night: "Since Saddam's fall a series of documents have come to light which will have to be fully assessed by the proper authorities over a period of time. We will certainly want to study these documents as part of that process to see if they shed new light on the relationship between Saddam's regime and al-Qa'eda.

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posted 04-27-2003 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Didn't the Toronto Star,SF Chronicle,and ABC say THEY ALSO found the alleged "Document"? Who's lying?

Will the real document please stand up?

Interesting that the CIA had already been through the buildings with a fine-tooth comb and they didn't find any of these incriminating documents.

Eat crow.


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posted 04-27-2003 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/042603A.shtml

U.S. Commander Franks Faces Belgium 'Genocide' Case

Expatica.com

Friday 18 April 2003

BRUSSELS -- US Allied Forces Commander, General Tommy Franks, and a second, unnamed party, could face trial in Belgium for war crimes under the country's amended genocide law after four Belgian doctors lodged a complaint in Brussels.

The four men, two of whom are still in Baghdad, work for the Belgian association Medicine for the Third World and were witnesses to the Allied invasion of the country.

Several events have already been cited by the doctors' lawyer, Jan Fermon, including an ambulance under fire from US troops, the bombing of a market, an attack on a civilian bus, random executions and inaction in the face of hospital pillaging.

This will be the first time Belgium's law of universal competence will be tested since its politico-diplomatic cleanup last month.

The so-called genocide law had given courts in Belgium universal jurisdiction to try cases of genocide, war crimes and human rights violations. Several clauses were amended so as to avoid the law being used for political complaints in the current climate. It is feared by opponents to the changes however that the law is now left bereft of its previous clout.

The doctors' case is thought to be within the remit of the new law because it is filed on behalf of Iraqi doctors by their Belgian colleagues.

However, the complaint will still have to be vetted by the Belgian government and the country's highest court, the Court of Cassation, before it can go ahead.

US Secretary of State Colin Powell labeled the Belgian legislation a "serious problem" after joining Dick Cheney and George Bush Senior on a list of suspects in a lawsuit pertaining to alleged crimes committed during the last Gulf War.

General Franks is currently holding residence in one of Saddam Hussein's former palaces in the Iraqi capital - a symbolic gesture heralding the close of the Iraqi conflict.

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I think Mech is more afraid that WMDs will be found (because it would ruin his whole argument)...

No WMDs here

Mech, is Sgt Schultz like in that he adheres to the phrase, “hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil“…..then it doesn’t exist in Mech’s tiny brain. Everyone else must deal with reality.

Keep in mind that the UN has already admitted that Iraq has WMDs (tons of nasty stuff)that were not destroyed or accounted for...and keep in mind that Saddam has had years to ship the stuff over to Syria at his leisure, in advance of a US invasion. We might have to be happy with residue evidence or finding the facilities that were used. The actual WMDs may now be in Syria, which would facilitate their distribution to the huge terrorist groups being harbored and trained there.

Residue...is the smoking gun....If we found any WMD residue such as VX gas or weapons grade plutonium or even uranium...THAT IS ALL THE PROOF WE NEED!

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Nope...still wouldn't "ruin my argument". Attacking a nation that never attacked us is STILL wrong.

Stealing oil for Israel is wrong.

Killing civilians for profit is wrong.

Setting up a PUPPET GOVERNMENT is wrong.

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posted 04-27-2003 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fastwalker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What a dipshit

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