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benign presence

Shreveport, LA 207 posts, Sep 2001
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posted 03-01-2002 08:27 AM
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=19409 Oh, goodie. First it was Homeland Security, then implanted biochips and now an admitted shadow government. Not that it's any surprise that there is one...just that they are admitting it. Somehow I don't find that very comforting. Guess it's a necessary evil, but I'd like to know more about who's in it. Looks like 9/11 jump-started NWO. Comments anyone? Scanner
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Duncan Kunz
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582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-01-2002 10:40 AM
I just heard about it this morning on the news. What surprises me is that the thing had been under wraps for several months!I think it makes sense, though. If the big fear is a nuclear attack on Washington, having backup guys out in the boondocks somewhere will provide continuity if TSHTF. Personally, I think that, given the concerns of a terrorist strike, either Cheney (#2) or Daschle (#3), along with a cadre of department heads or their designees out of town at any particular time makes sense. That's why the CIA never permits both Chickie Deb and me to be on the same flight, even if it's to attend the same NWO meeting. If the Megasprayer goes down, who'll you have here on this forum? ------------------ Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@cox.net Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
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Deb
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Plainfield, Indiana USA 163 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 03-01-2002 11:05 AM
Umpf! so that's why 'they' do that!Anyway, security precautions have been in place since Eisenhower and the beginning of the Cold War. I think they've kept it underwraps, although suspected, while they are updating communications down under. I think "shadow" government implies something covert and secretive above a security measure. I've observed certain groups and individuals claim for many years that a "shadow government" secretly runs the country. I'm sure this revealtion will reinforce that opinion. Until 9/11, I can't recall a vice president literally picked up off his feet and taken away, other than Johnson when Kennedy was shot. I don't remember much about the day Reagan was shot - too busy raising child. 
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benign presence

Shreveport, LA 207 posts, Sep 2001
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posted 03-01-2002 11:58 AM
Yep…using the term “shadow” government doesn’t look like a good choice to me. Why not alternate or secondary or something along those lines? Just don’t you and Deb disappear for a couple of months, Duncan! Anyhow, you wouldn’t want to lose your tans hanging around underground! heh-heh  Scanner
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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL

Level 64 1115 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-01-2002 01:05 PM
The Shadow Government could just as easily be described as organized crime (assassinations, weapons/narco-traffiking, child pornography, blackmail, corporate profiteering and racketeering, genocide) with elements secreted or infiltrated, politicians compromised, placed within the legitimate framework of the surface goverment. The shadow government within the U.S. does not have a monopoly on world-wide organized crime, it's international... but they are certainly involved, some of them masquerading as statesmen, CEO's, CIA/DEA agents, administrative officials, etc.
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benign presence

Shreveport, LA 207 posts, Sep 2001
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posted 03-01-2002 01:22 PM
I see CNN is calling it a "bunker government" which is a much better choice of words. Lets see if the other media outlets follow suit.Scanner 
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afraidofsunlight
Senior Member

Balto.,Md. 100 posts, Jan 2001
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posted 03-01-2002 07:44 PM
Bunker govt.funny.... 
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hooligan
Senior Member
Seattle 76 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 03-01-2002 09:15 PM
Why do you suppose they made this announcement about a shadow gov't at this time? Whose interest is it in to let the public in on this considering it has been a secret for 5 months? If we didn't know about it why should we now? Does it have something to do with the imminent attack on Iraq? It is like reading a mystery and looking for the foreshadowing of some event. Something is about to happen that is going to be bad for our freedom I think. Call me paranoid but it just doesn't make sense that the gov't would out of the blue decide to tell everyone about a secret gov't provided for running things should all go crazy and our regular gov't is out of commission. Realize also that the shadow gov't is only for the executive branch so there will be no one left to represent the people. Yikes
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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL

Level 64 1115 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-01-2002 09:59 PM
I was just reading about this the other day, kind of fits with what you're saying Hooligan? Scanner, this is the 'mother of all bunker governments'! Maybe this is why CNN called it a 'Bunker Government'?Interesting name, Mount Weather? ...and what about Office of Controlled Conflict Operations!?  quote:
Mount WeatherUnderground government bases also exist for various reasons. One of the them is nicknamed Mt. Weather and is just outside of Washington, DC. Mount Weather and Underground Bases. Article about these bases: Few Americans--indeed, few Congressional reps--are aware of the existence of Mount Weather, a mysterious underground military base carved deep inside a mountain near the sleepy rural town of Bluemont, Virginia, just 46 miles from Washington DC. Mount Weather --also known as the Western Virginia Office of Controlled Conflict Operations--is buried not just in hard granite, but in secrecy as well. In March, 1976, The Progressive Magazine published an astonishing article entitled The Mysterious Mountain. The author, Richard Pollock, based his investigative report on Senate subcommittee hearings and upon "several off-the-record interviews with officials formerly associated with Mount Weather." His report, and a 1991 article in Time Magazine entitled Doomsday Hideaway, supply a few compelling hints about what is going on underground. Ted Gup, writing for Time, describes the base as follows: "Mount Weather is a virtually self-contained facility. Above ground, scattered across manicured lawns, are about a dozen buildings bristling with antennas and microwave relay systems. An on-site sewage-treatment plant, with a 90,000 gal.-a-day capacity, and two tanks holding 250,000 gal. of water could last some 200 people more than a month; underground ponds hold additional water supplies. Not far from the installation's entry gate are a control tower and a helicopter pad. The mountain's real secrets are not visible at ground level." The mountain's "real secrets" are protected by warning signs, 10 foot-high chain link fences, razor wire, and armed guards. Curious motorists and hikers on the Appalachian trail are relieved of their sketching pads and cameras and sent on their way. Security is tight. The government has owned the site since 1903; it has seen service as an artillery range, a hobo farm during the Depression, and a National Weather Bureau Facility. In 1936, the U.S. Bureau of Mines took control and started digging. Mount Weather is virtually an underground city, according to former personnel interviewed by Pollock. Buried deep inside the earth, Mount Weather was equipped with such amenities as: --private apartments and dormitories --streets and sidewalks --cafeterias and hospitals --a water purification system, power plant and general office buildings --a small lake fed by fresh water from underground springs --its own mass transit system --a TV communication system Mount Weather is the self-sustaining underground command center for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). The facility is the operational center--the hub--of approximately 100 other Federal Relocation Centers, most of which are concentrated in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina. Together this network of underground facilities constitutes the backbone of America's "Continuity of Government" program. In the event of nuclear war, declaration of martial law, or other national emergency, the President, his cabinet and the rest of the Executive Branch would be "relocated" to Mount Weather. What Does Congress Know about Mount Weather?
According to the Senate Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights hearings in 1975, Congress has almost no knowledge and no oversight --budgetary or otherwise--on Mount Weather. Retired Air Force General Leslie W. Bray, in his testimony to the subcommittee, said "I am not at liberty to describe precisely what is the role and the mission and the capability that we have at Mount Weather, or at any other precise location." Apparently, this underground capital of the United States is a secret only to Congress and the US taxpayers who paid for it. The Russians know about it, as reported in Time: "Few in the U.S. government will speak of it, though it is assumed that all along the Soviets have known both its precise location and its mission (unlike the Congress, since Bray wouldn't tell); defense experts take it as a given that the site is on the Kremlin's targeting maps. " The Russians attempted to buy real estate right next door, as a "country estate" for their embassy folks, but that deal was dead- ended by the State Department. Mount Weather's "Government-in-Waiting": Pollock's report, based on his interviews with former officials at Mount Weather, contains astounding information on the base's personnel. The underground city contains a parallel government-in-waiting: "High- level Governmental sources, speaking in the promise of strictest anonymity, told me [Pollock] that each of the Federal departments represented at Mount Weather is headed by a single person on whom is conferred the rank of a Cabinet-level official. Protocol ven demands that subordinates address them as 'Mr. Secretary.' Each of the Mount Weather 'Cabinet members' is apparently appointed by the White House and serves an indefinite term ... many through several Administrations. The facility attempts to duplicate the vital functions of the Executive branch of the Administration." Nine Federal departments are replicated within Mount Weather (Agriculture; Commerce; Health, Education & Welfare; Housing & Urban Development; Interior; Labor; State; Transportation; and Treasurey) as well as at least five Federal agencies (Federal Communications Commission, Selective Service, Federal Power Commission, Civil Service Commission, and the Veterans Administration). The Federal Reserve and the U.S. Post Office, both private corporations, also have offices in Mount Weather. Pollock writes that the "cabinet members" are "apparently" appointed by the White House and serve an indefinite term, but that information cannot be confirmed, raising the further question of who holds the reins on this "back-up government." Furthermore, appointed Mount Weather officials hold their positions through several elected administrations, transcending the time their appointers spend in office. Unlike other presidential nominees, these apppointments are made without the public advice or consent of the Senate. Is there an alternative President and Vice President as well? If so, who appoints them? Pollock says only this: "As might be expected, there is also an Office of the Presidency at Mount Weather. The Federal Preparedness Agency (precursor to FEMA) apparently appoints a special staff to the Presidential section, which regularly receives top secret national security estimates and raw data from each of the Federal departments and agencies. What Do They Do At Mount Weather? 1) Collect Data on American Citizens The Senate Subcommittee in 1975 learned that the "facility held dossiers on at least 100,000 Americans. [Senator] John Tunney later alleged that the Mount Weather computers can obtain millions of pieces of additional information on the personal lives of American citizens simply by tapping the data stored at any of the other ninety-six Federal Relocation Centers." The subcommittee concluded that Mount Weather's databases "operate with few, if any, safeguards or guidelines." 2) Store Necessary Information The Progressive article detailed that "General Bray gave Tunney's subcommittee a list of the categories of files maintained at Mount Weather: military installations, government facilities, communications, transportation, energy and power, agriculture, manufacturing, wholesale and retail services, manpower, financial, medical and educational institutions, sanitary facilities, population, housing shelter, and stockpiles." This massive database fits cleanly into Mount Weather's ultimate purpose as the command center in the event of a national emergency. 3) Play War Games This is the main daily activity of the approximately 240 people who work at Mount Weather. The games are intended to train the Mount Weather bureaucracy to managing a wide range of problems associated with both war and domestic political crises. Decisions are made in the "Situation Room," the base's nerve center, located in the core of Mount Weather. The Situation Room is the archetypal war room, with "charts, maps and whatever visuals may be needed" and "batteries of communications equipment connecting Mount Weather with the White House and 'Raven Rock'-- the underground Pentagon sixty miles north of Washington--as well as with almost every US military unit stationed around the globe," according to the Progressive article. "All internal communications are conducted by closed-circuit color television ... senior officers and 'Cabinet members' have two consoles recessed in the walls of their office."
Descriptions of the war games read a bit like a Ian Fleming novel. Every year there is a system-wide alert that "includes all military and civilian-run underground installations." The real, aboveground President and his Cabinet members are "relocated" to Mount Weather to observe the simulation. Post-mortems are conducted and the margins for error are calculated after the games. All the data is studied and documented. 4) Civil Crisis Management Mount Weather personnel study more than war scenarios. Domestic "crises" are also tracked and watched, and there have been times when Mount Weather almost swung into action, as Pollock reported: "Officials who were at Mount Weather during the 1960s say the complex was actually prepared to assume certain governmental powers at the time of the 1961 Cuban missile crisis and the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963. The installation used the tools of its 'Civil Crisis Management' program on a standby basis during the 1967 and 1968 urban riots and during a number of national antiwar demonstrations, the sources said." In its 1974 Annual Report, the Federal Preparedness Agency stated that "Studies conducted at Mount Weather involve the control and management of domestic political unrest where there are material shortages (such as food riots) or in strike situations where the FPA determines that there are industrial disruptions and other domestic resource crises." The Mount Weather facility uses a vast array of resources to continually monitor the American people. According to Daniel J. Cronin, former assistant director for the FPA, Reconnaissance satellites, local and state police intelligence reports, and Federal law enforcement agencies are just a few of the resources available to the FPA [now FEMA] for information gathering. "We try to monitor situations and get to them before they become emergencies," Cronin said. "No expense is spared in the monitoring program." 5) Maintain and Update the "Survivors List" Using all the data generated by the war games and domestic crisis scenarios, the facility continually maintains and updates a list of names and addresses of people deemed to be "vital" to the survival of the nation, or who can "assist essential and non-interruptible services." In the 1976 article, the "survivors list" contained 6,500 names, but even that was deemed to be low. Who Pays for All This, and How Much? At the same time tens of millions of dollars were being spent on maintaining and upgrading the complex to protect several hundred designated officials in the event of nuclear attack, the US government drastically reduced its emphasis on war preparedness for US citizens. A 1989 FEMA brochure entitled "Are You Prepared?" suggests that citizens construct makeshift fallout shelters using used furniture, books, and other common household items. Officially, Mount Weather (and its budget) does not exist. FEMA refuses to answer inquiries about the facility; as FEMA spokesman Bob Blair told Time magazine, "I'll be glad to tell you all about it, but I'd have to kill you afterward." We don't know how much Mount Weather has cost over the years, but of course, American taxpayers bear this burden as well. A Christian Science Monitor article entitled "Study Reveals US Has Spent $4 Trillion on Nukes Since '45" reports that "The government devoted at least $12 billion to civil defense projects to protect the population from nuclear attack. But billions of dollars more were secretly spent on vast underground complexes from which civilian and military officials would run the government during a nuclear war." What is Mount Weather's Ultimate Purpose? We have seen that Mount Weather contains an unelected, parallel "government-in-waiting" ready to take control of the United States upon word from the President or his successor. The facility contains a massive database of information on U.S. citizens which is operated with no safeguards or accountability. Ostensibly, this expensive hub of America's network of sub-terran bases was designed to preserve our form of government during a nuclear holocaust. But Mount Weather is not simply a Cold War holdover. Information on command and control strategies during national emergencies have largely been withheld from the American public. Executive Order 11051, signed by President Kennedy on October 2, 1962, states that "national preparedness must be achieved... as may be required to deal with increases in international tension with limited war, or with general war including attack upon the United States." However, Executive Order 11490, drafted by Gen. George A Lincoln (former director for the Office of Emergency Preparedness, the FPA's predecessor) and signed by President Nixon in October 1969, tells a different story. EO 11490, which superceded Kennedy's EO 11051, begins, "Whereas our national security is dependent upon our ability to assure continuity of government, at every level, in any national emergency type situation that might conceivably confront the nation." As researcher William Cooper points out, Nixon's order makes no reference to "war," "imminent attack," or "general war." These quantifiers are replaced by an extremely vague "national emergency type situation" that "might conceivably" interfere with the workings of the national power structure. Furthermore, there is no publicly known Executive Order outlining the restoration of the Constitution after a national emergency has ended. Unless the parallel government at Mount Weather does not decide out of the goodness of its heart to return power to Constitutional authority, the United States could experience an honest-to-God coup d'etat posing as a national emergency. Like the enigmatic Area 51 in Nevada, the Federal government wants to keep the Mount Weather facility buried in secrecy. Public awareness of this place and its purpose would raise serious questions about who holds the reins of power in this country. The Constitution states that those reins lie in the hands of the people, but the very existence of Mount Weather indicates an entirely different reality. As long as Mount Weather exists, these questions will remain. By Patricia Neill
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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL

Level 64 1115 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-01-2002 11:21 PM
oops...
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist

East Central Florida 1388 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 03-01-2002 11:24 PM
quote: Anyway, security precautions have been in place since Eisenhower and the beginning of the Cold War. I think they've kept it underwraps, although suspected, while they are updating communications down under. I think "shadow" government implies something covert and secretive above a security measure. I've observed certain groups and individuals claim for many years that a "shadow government" secretly runs the country. I'm sure this revealtion will reinforce that opinion.
Agreed on this point with the exception that I believe it may even have been earlier. When I first heard this today, I thought, pass the shampoo...I've had too much "conditioner". 
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cyberianmob
New Member

8 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 03-02-2002 12:44 AM
Call me paranoid, but things just keep getting creepier. I can't believe anyone is surprised by this "news," but its timing is a bit "dark."
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-02-2002 01:09 AM
cyberianmob, you and hooligan may have a point ... but on the other hand, the information about the shadow/bunker/whatever may have been on the verge of being leaked, so the administration decided to "come out" and get brownie points with the public for being "up front".Or it could be something else. Given the way that Ari Fleischer screwed up yesterday and was taken out and beaten by Condolleeza Rice, it's pretty clear to me that Bush and Company can bumble their public relations as well as any other administration recently. ------------------ Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@cox.net Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
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cyberianmob
New Member

8 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 03-02-2002 11:22 AM
I guess the failure to notify Democratic Congressional leaders was just another one of those Bush bumbles, hmm?http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26212-2002Mar1?language=printer Congress Not Advised Of Shadow Government Bush Calls Security 'Serious Business' By Amy Goldstein and Juliet Eilperin Washington Post Staff Writers Saturday, March 2, 2002; Page A01 Key congressional leaders said yesterday the White House did not tell them that President Bush has moved a cadre of senior civilian managers to secret underground sites outside Washington to ensure that the federal government could survive a devastating terrorist attack on the nation's capital. Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) said he had not been informed about the role, location or even the existence of the shadow government that the administration began to deploy the morning of the Sept. 11 hijackings. An aide to House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said he similarly was unaware of the administration's move. …

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hooligan
Senior Member
Seattle 76 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 03-02-2002 11:39 AM
If you have one hundred people hidden away in a bunker for three months while telling anyone who asks that they are all on a business trip(never mind they all went on this business trip soon after 9/11) and then those folks come back in November and one hundred different folks go... Am I supposed to believe that all the people that worked with these civilian officials (or whatever you want to call them)kept quiet and never thought about where everybody was or questioned it?The media never wrote about it, it didn't show up on the internet... How strange. What about the families of these people? They must know. How do you keep people so tightlipped? Fear is the one word that comes to mind, and money is another. Defenders article is very interesting. I am surprised that article didn't come up before when everyone was speculating on Cheneys whereabouts. 
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hooligan
Senior Member
Seattle 76 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 03-02-2002 11:45 AM
"Among Congress's GOP leadership, aides to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (Ill.), second in line to succeed the president if he became incapacitated, and to Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott (Miss.) said they were not sure whether they knew." This was from the article on Congress not knowing about the shadow gov't mentioned above.They are not sure if they knew. Maybe if we ask again tomorrow they will make up their mind after consulting with those in charge.
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cyberianmob
New Member

8 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 03-02-2002 11:55 AM
Ari F is going to give them such a tongue-lashing for not being in lockstep with the program!
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defender
TELEVISION IS MIND CONTROL

Level 64 1115 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-02-2002 11:55 AM
It could also be an attempt by the govt/media to grab the concept of "Shadow Government" and spin it away from what most of us (Internet folks/cyber-readers) know as a real hidden governmet, (Oliver North/CIA/Federal Reserve/FEMA, etc). With the popularity of the 'net, more and more Americans are seeing that we've been spoon-fed disinfo by the corp/govt/media for decades, and denied access to info that millions of people world-wide already know. This strategy, IMO makes it possible that from now on, when most Americans tune in to the mainstream media outlets, if the term of Shadow Government comes up, they're more likely to understand it as the governments spin (an underground base made up of select officials, to protect the U.S. in case of an attack by terrorists/enemies). If the people are not Internet-savvy, or are unaware of how we/I perceive the "Shadow Government", TPTS will have successfully steered the people away from understanding the corruption that exists in our supposedly perfect, superior, democratic society. TPTS will try to hang on to their power at any cost, and the media has always been at their beck and call for an operation like this. They do what they're told, that's what they're paid for.
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cyberianmob
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8 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 03-02-2002 12:05 PM
I agree with both of you, Hooligan and Defender. The appearance of this article now, IMHO, suggests that something yet creepier is coming. This particular spin on Shadow Govt is provided in the MSM now in order to put it to work later.
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist

East Central Florida 1388 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 03-02-2002 06:04 PM
trial balloons and conditioner. Buckle up folks.
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Deb
Senior Member
Plainfield, Indiana USA 163 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 03-02-2002 08:35 PM
While Cheney was kept seperate, the reasoning was understandable.Call ME paranoid, but this really makes me wonder just what kind of attack they may be expecting next. I did a mental checklist of emergency preps in the basement, but I think I will actually do inventory. Tornado season ahead too. 
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Scanner
benign presence

Shreveport, LA 207 posts, Sep 2001
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posted 03-03-2002 02:48 PM
Let's see...Senate and Congress claim they were just as much in the dark as the general public and didn't know about the "other" government until it was announced to us all. How can that be possible? Wouldn't there be some people who had to know because of funding and oversight of this shadow government? And, why announce it if it's supposed to be secret? What's the point?I had the nagging feeling during 9/11 that there was an interrupted coup going on. I cound never quite put my finger on just what was going on, but something was just not right. Like Deb, and others, it looks like something really big is coming up and we are being "primed" or "programmed" for it. Guess all we can do is pray, trust God, and keep our eyes wide open. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong! Scanner 
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Jeanie
Senior Member
North East U.S.A. 490 posts, Nov 2001
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posted 03-03-2002 06:47 PM
For Scanner: Let's see now if I Have this straight, first there's the visible govt; then there's the shadow govt. What shall we call the invisible govt. that rules all??? How about the "Illuminati"??? That has a nice ring to it. And for Defender: You say a mouthful when you say "Television is Mind Control". Have you noticed since 9/11 how TV and Movies have gotten on the band wagon of getting people to think WAR? That's bad enough but in addition, trashy stupid Sit Com.s. then there's dating games that promote illicet sex. There's talk about why children are so violent and immoral, (OH DEAR ME, HOW CAN THIS BE?) Why their being spoon fed all the things that is SCUM BEHAVIOR. Jeanie 
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cyberianmob
New Member

8 posts, Feb 2002
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posted 03-04-2002 10:07 AM
It was a given on that late summer morning that martial law was just around the corner. 
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amber
UK ENVOY

uk 445 posts, May 2001
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posted 03-04-2002 10:57 AM
FYIMount Weather FEMA Installation By: William Poundstone --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the best-selling 1962 spy thriller SEVEN DAYS IN MAY, the Joint Chiefs of Staff plot to overthrow the U.S. president. Their conspiracy centers on a place called Mount Thunder, a secret subterranean command post where government leaders would go in the event of a nuclear attack. On December 1, 1974, a TWA Boeing 727 jet crashed into a fog- shrouded mountain in northern Virginia and burned, killing all ninety-two persons aboard. Near the wreckage was a fenced government reserve identified as Mount Weather. Mount Weather is a real place; eighty-five acres located forty-five miles west of Washington and 1,725 feet above sea level, near the town of Bluemont, Virginia. In the event of all- out war, an elite of civilian and military leaders are to be taken to Mount Weather's cavernous underground shelter to become the nucleus of a postwar American society. The government has a secret list of those persons it plans to save. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) runs Mount Weather. When it has to talk about the place, which is rare, it calls it the "special facility." Its more common name comes from a weather station that the U.S. Department of Agriculture had maintained on the mountain. The authors of SEVEN DAYS IN MAY, Fletcher Knebel and Charles W. Bailey II, were Washington journalists who learned a lot about the then-quite-secret post. Few readers of Knebel and Bailey's fiction could have imagined how close to the truth it was. The novel gives detailed highway directions from Washington: ..the Chrysler wheeled onto Route 50, heading away from Washington.... In the jungle of neon lights and access roads at Seven Corners, Corwin saw Scott bear right onto Route 7, the main road to Leesburg. The two cars moved slowly through Falls Church before the traffic began to thin out and speed up.... At the fork west of Leesburg, Scott bore right on Route 9, heading toward Charles Town.... They began to climb toward the Blue Ridge, the eastern rim of the Shenandoah Valley.... West of Hillboro, where the road crossed the Blue Ridge before dropping into the valley....Scott turned left. Corwin followed him onto a black macadam road that ran straight along the spine of the ridge. ..Because of his White House job, Corwin knew something about this road that few other Americans did. Virginia 120 appeared to be nothing more than a better-than-average Blue Ridge byway, but it ran past Mount Thunder, where an underground installation provided one of the several bases from which the President could run the nation in the event of a nuclear attack on Washington. Knebel and Bailey disguised the directions slightly. You continue on Route 7 west of Leesburg, turning left on Route 601 just west of Bluemont. It's Virginia Route 601 that runs right up to the gates of Mount Weather. Residents have long known there is something funny about that road; it is always the first road cleared after a snowstorm. At one point, the government asked the local paper not to print any articles about the facility. But it is all but impossible to keep such a place secret. The Appalachian Trail runs right by Mount Weather, and hikers can get close enough to see signs and flashing lights. One sign reads: "All persons and vehicles entering hereon are liable to search. Photographing, making notes, drawings, maps or graphic representations of this area or its activities are prohibited." In the late 1960s an unidentified "hippie" is supposed to have stumbled upon the facility and sketched it from a tree. His drawing turned up in the QUICKSILVER TIMES, an underground newspaper in Washington. Residents also tell of the time a hunt club chased a fox onto the site and triggered an alarm. The club had to go to the main gate to get the dogs back. After the TWA crash, a spokesman "politely declined to comment on what Mt. Weather was used for, how many people work there, or how long it has been in its current use," the WASHINGTON POST reported. The POST published a picture of the facility, citing far-fetched speculation that Mount Weather's radio antennas may have interfered with the jet's radar and caused the disaster. You don't get into Mount Weather without an invitation. The entrance is said to be like the door to a bank vault, only thicker, set into a mountain made out of the toughest granite in the East. It is guarded around the clock. Mount Weather got more unsolicited publicity in 1975. Senator John Tunney (D-Calif.) charged that Mount Weather held dossiers on 100,000 or more Americans. A sophisticated computer system gives the installation access to detailed information on the lives of virtually every American citizen, Tunney claimed. Mount Weather personnel stonewalled question after question in two Senate hearings. "I don't understand what they're trying to hide out there," Douglas Lea, staff director of the Senate Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights, said. "Mount Weather is just closed up to us." Tunney complained that Mount Weather was "out of control." Mount Weather has been owned by the government since 1903, when the site was purchased by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Calvin Coolidge talked about building a summer White House there. In World War I it was an artillery range, and during the Depression it was a workfarm for hobos. Mount Weather as an alternate capital seems to have been the idea of Millard F. Caldwell, former governor of Florida. There is a fallout shelter under the East Wing of the White House. No one believes it offers any real protection from a nuclear attack on Washington, however. FEMA has elaborate plans for getting the president and other key officials out of Washington should there be a nuclear attack. In that event, the president is supposed to board a Boeing 747 National Emergency Airborne Command Post ("Kneecap"). That is presumed to be safer than any point on the ground. The president's plane can be refueled in the air from other planes and may be able to stay airborne for as long as three days. Then its engine will conk out for lack of oil. That is where Mount Weather comes in. Government geologists selected the site because it has some of the most impregnable rock in the United States. The shelter was started in the Truman administration, and it took years to tunnel into the mountain. There is a whole chain of shelters for leaders and critical personnel. The Federal Relocation Arc, a system of ninety-six shelters for specific U.S. Government agencies, sweeps through North Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, and Pennsylvania. A duplicate of the Pentagon is located at a site called Raven Rock in Maryland. The administrative center of the whole system, and the place where the top civilians would go, is Mount Weather. Mount Weather is much more than a fallout shelter; it is a troglodytic Levittown. In the mid-1970s Richard Pollack, a writer for PROGRESSIVE magazine, interviewed a number of persons who had been associated with Mount Weather. According to them, Mount Weather is an underground city with roads, sidewalks, and a battery-powered subway. A spring-fed artificial lake gleams in the fluorescent light. There are office buildings, cafeterias, and hospitals. Large dormitories are furnished with bunks or "hot cots" -- hammocks intended to be occupied in three eight-hour shifts. There are private apartments as well. Mount Weather has its own waterworks, food storage, and power plant. A "bubble- shaped pod" in the East Tunnel houses one of the most powerful computers in the world. The Situation Room, a circular chamber, would be a nerve center in the time of war. The Mount Weather folks set great store by visual aids and retain artists and cartographers at all times. A futuristic color videophone system is the basic means of communication within Mount Weather's subterranean world. "All important staff meetings were conducted via color television as far back as 1958, long before it was generally available to the public," one former staffer bragged. The most surprising of Pollack's revelations is that Mount Weather has a working back-up of U.S. Government EVEN NOW. Undisclosed persons there duplicate the responsibilities of our elected leaders, making Mount Weather an eerie doppelganger of the United States. An Office of the Presidency is ensconced in an underground wing known as the White House. The elected president or survivor closest in the chain of command would make his way there and take over the reins. Until then, a staffer appointed by FEMA would be carrying out duties said to simulate those of the real president. Installed at Mount Weather are nine federal departments, their very names ironic in the context: Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Labor, State, Transportation, and the Treasury. Miniature versions of the Selective Service, the Veteran's Administration, the Federal Communications Commission, the Post Office, the Civil Service Commission, the Federal Power Commission, and the Federal Reserve are there, too. "High-level government sources, speaking under the promise of strict anonymity, told me that each of the federal departments represented at Mount Weather is headed by a single person on who is conferred Cabinet-level official," Pollack reported. "Protocol even demands that subordinates address them as 'Mr. Secretary.' Each of the Mount Weather 'Cabinet members' is apparently appointed by the White House and serves an indefinite term. Many of the 'secretaries' have held their positions through several administrations." What do all these people DO? Twice a month, Mount Weather stages a war game to train its personnel and explore various dire scenarios. Once a year they pull out all the stops and have a super drill in which REAL Cabinet members and White House staffers fly in from Washington. General Leslie Bray, director of the Federal Preparedness Agency, FEMA's predecessor, told the Senate that Mount Weather has extensive files on "military installations, government facilities, communications, transportation, energy and power, agriculture, manufacturing, wholesale and retail services, manpower, financial, medical and educational institutions, sanitary facilities, population, housing shelter, and stockpiles." Additional information is kept in safekeeping at other shelters in the Federal Relocation Arc. There is a body of opinion that considers Mount Weather obsolete. Mount Weather is a non-movable target, and a very strategic one if the relocation works. The "toughest granite in the East" may have offered some protection in Eisenhower's time, but multiple strikes could blast the mountain away. It was reported that the TWA jet crash knocked out power at Mount Weather for two and a half hours. What would a bomb do? The Soviet Union knows exactly where Mount Weather is -- and almost certainly knew long before the Western press did. The Soviets tried to buy an estate near Mount Weather as a "vacation retreat" for embassy employees. The State Department stopped the sale. The Survivor List In 1975 General Bray told the Senate that the Mount Weather survivor list had sixty-five hundred names on it. Who might be included? The president, of course, provide he survives his Kneecap command. The vice-president and Cabinet members are on the list because they take part in the annual dry runs. Beyond that, little is known and the few existing accounts conflict. For instance, what about Congress? General Bray said that his responsibilities included the executive branch only, not Congress or the Supreme Court. But in an interview in 1976, Senator Hubert Humphrey insisted that he had visited the shelter as vice- president and seen "a nice little chamber, rostrum and all," for postnuclear sessions of Congress. Furthermore, Earl Warren is said to have been invited when he was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Warren refused because he was not allowed to take his wife. The protocol for ordering persons to Mount Weather specifies that messages not be left with family members answering the phone. The vast majority of the persons on the list are believed to be ranking bureaucrats from the nine federal agencies with branches at Mount Weather. Pollack said he heard stories that some construction workers were on the list "because, the Mount Weather analysts reasoned, excavation work for mass graves would be needed immediately in the aftermath of a thermonuclear war." General Bray admitted that some others such as telephone company technicians are included. Each person on the survival list has an ID card with a photo. The card reads: THE PERSON DESCRIBED ON THIS CARD HAS ESSENTIAL EMERGENCY DUTIES WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. REQUEST FULL ASSISTANCE AND UNRESTRICTED MOVEMENT BE AFFORDED THE PERSON TO WHOM THIS CARD IS ISSUED. 
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