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Ellyn
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728 posts, Jul 2000

posted 03-15-2002 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No wonder Israel is assassinating the news reporters!

Title: In Images, Martyr Of A Palestinian

From: http://www.markazdawa.org/englishweb/palest/index.htm
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Israel Charged With Dumping Chemical, Nuclear Waste In West Bank http://www.rense.com/general21/nr.htm



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KnewEyes
watcher


under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001

posted 03-19-2002 07:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

From An American
Mother In Bethlehem
From Ann & Paul Lebel
leslebels@hotmail.com
3-18-2

Dear friends, Alison, her husband and three small girls sometimes attend our church. They would come more often, but, her Palestinian husband George is rarely permitted by the IDF through the Bethlehem/Jerusalem check-point. Below is her account of yesterday as reported from 2 different news channels. I guarantee, you will never see this reported in the US mainstream media. Your witness in Jerusalem, Paul From Alison Nassar
immmathilda@yahoo.com 15 March 15, 2002 Day Seven I watched the Hebrew news in English last night and I heard all their pretty justifications for what they are doing. They're "withholding the full extent of their military power". They're "acting with restraint out of concern for minimizing civilian casualties". They're "disabling weapons factories". They're "dismantling the terrorist infrastructure". Their purpose is "to establish a cease-fire and return to negotiations". Their "highest priority is peace". All this must sound so pacifying to the ears of the West. So proper. So civilized. So sterile. So believable from a distance. And then we switched the channel and came back to reality, up close and oh, so personal. As the local cameramen made their way from house to house, street to street, and camp to camp, we watched in horrified numbness. No words could possibly describe what the camera was showing us. The young woman with the baby on her hip just shook her head, speechless, gesturing to the rubble of the home behind her with tears slipping down her cheeks. The old man gazed uncomprehendingly at what remained of his home, his face seeming to collapse in on itself. The old woman, standing amid splinters of furniture, tore at her headscarf shouting, "What can I say? What should I say?? What is there to say???" What can and must be said is that heavily armed Israeli soldiers, accompanied by tanks, bulldozers, and helicopters, entered the miserable homes of some of the most impoverished and wretched souls on the face of this earth and vandalized everything in sight. They broke furniture, slashed clothing and bedding, shattered dishes and tvs, stole what money and valuables they could find, and then knocked down the walls themselves, leaving nothing. Leaving people who were already refugees homeless once again. They entered shops and vandalized the merchandise. They entered sewing workshops and vandalized the sewing machines. They entered computer clubs and vandalized the computers. They entered printing shops and vandalized the typesetting equipment. They entered a small appliance repair shop and what was left was not even recognizable. Words are truly inadequate to describe the destruction. It must be seen to be believed, and it must be believed because it is the ugly reality behind the pretty words. Next we saw the hundreds of "captured terrorists", blindfolded, bound at the wrists, and squatting in the sun, being processed for arrest. Some wore only pajamas and slippers. Some were just a few years older than Mathilda. Some were the age of George. Some we even knew. I looked at their faces, my heart thudding, wondering how I would feel to see my husband among them. And for the 1000th time in 10 years, feeling thankful not to have sons. The cameraman wandered among the "shabab" (young men), asking them to describe their capture. "We were hiding in our bedroom, trying to keep the children calm. There was no shooting, no resistance. Just the sound of the tanks and bulldozers. People screaming and crying nearby. Suddenly the walls began to shake like an earthquake and our door fell in. Twenty or thirty soldiers came running in. Some surrounded us and some went to work smashing up the house with sledgehammers. They pointed to me and my brother and told us to put our hands up. I asked why. They told us we were "wanted". I said we hadn't done anything, we were only hiding from the tanks. They pointed their guns at our heads and said we had to go with them. When we left they were still tearing up the house. My mother and sisters and baby brother were hysterical. When we got here, we saw all of our neighbors, lined up and waiting to be arrested. None of us knows what will happen." Those factories that were vandalized were not manufacturing rockets. Those men that were arrested are not gun-toting activists. Those families whose houses were destroyed were not terrorists. At least not yet. When my eyes and ears had had enough, I turned away and went to attend to my children's calls. Nadine looked into my face and said, mom, are you crying? Yes, Nadine. Somebody has to.
http://www.rense.com/general21/fromamericanmom.htm

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Ellyn
Senior Member


728 posts, Jul 2000

posted 03-23-2002 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Past Zionist-Jewish Terrorism -
Some Historical Facts
From A Concerned American
3-23-2
http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm

Also http://www.rense.com/general21/was911mossad.htm

Was 911 A Mossad
'False Flag' Operation?

Also http://www.rense.com/general21/jewishUKlabour.htm

Jewish UK Labour MP
Calls Israel A 'Pariah'
News.BBC.co.uk
3-23-2




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Ellyn
Senior Member


728 posts, Jul 2000

posted 04-02-2002 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Letter to the Editor of the Spokesman-Review, dated April 2, 2002:

PALESTINIAN DEATHS GO UNMOURNED

The Spokesman-Review wails on its March 28 front page about the "Passover massacre" of Jews. But what of the 200 Palestinians slaughtered between March 7 and March 16 by the Israeli Occupation Army? No memorable name has been given to that bloody massacre of Palestinians because, according to Jewish law, Jewish blood is worth more.

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus stated, "The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable." This is the U.S. media's position too. NBC News described the Israeli army's mass murder in Ramallah and the other refugee camps from March 7-16 as "Israeli patrols."

The bloody massacre of Palestinians in early March has been forgotten, a mere two weeks after it ended! The blood of those Arab civilians murdered by Jewish soldiers is not "red enough" for the U.S. media. Only Jewish casualties are truly mourned and memorialized. This is Talmudic racism in action and it breeds rage.

Michael A. Hoffman II
Coeur d'Alene


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BOB B
Senior Member


LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002

posted 04-04-2002 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BOB B   Email BOB B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ellyn, I dint respond to your post earlier not because I did'nt agree, but because I didnt want to disrupt what ever was said in reply.But to put it in a nutshell, I will stae my opinion of Israel:Israel is a nation formed by a UN resolution and the UN is the enemy of every human being.The UN issues resolutions and Israel breaks them, and nothing is done,but when a country like Iraq does the same , they are bombed mecifullessly, civilian caualties are the norm, not an acception,as has been contended by military officials>ISRAEL IS THE WORST TERRORIST STATE IN EXISTANCE, FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY THE UNITED STATES, ISRAELS ATTACK DOG

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mark sky
~just_ice_ob~server~


south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-04-2002 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gruesome report from inside Ramallah http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/asia/israel/040302a.html
Palestinian Organ theft http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/asia/israel/040302b.html

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penumbra
quarky


North Carolina
667 posts, Apr 2001

posted 04-04-2002 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for penumbra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my God! I knew in my heart yesterday that the Israelis were slaughtering the Palestinians. We are beyond the point of no return. This whole mess will only be solved by Divine intervention!

Warning... Second link has GRAPHIC pictures.

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mark sky
~just_ice_ob~server~


south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-04-2002 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
listening now to berdans scalar

harmoniks of the

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mark sky
~just_ice_ob~server~


south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-04-2002 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the "battle" becomes one with those
who hang around amoung
the same sane places of

never questioning the spider upon the wall
heard every word and never spoke
until tortured out of itz little spidie mind

it revieled that
the animousity "between" two races that others never could tell apart
are being used against
the rest of you to
tear the most profits from
a world kicked in the ass
its nuts ringinging from a swift kick
the price of oil and food and sequrity
the bush bin luaudin bells ring

Ah TwanG the gonades sing

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-04-2002 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the mer~chant traders to their people sway toward the new power brokers

like mon~keys a wagging upon the windz of greed
they find little suport in the back lands of
american heritage
the clownz stumble awaiting a special cart
to carry them away to their just desertz

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-04-2002 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
each must decide for them SeLvEs what their future might be
a fortune with stocks and bondS

ever "growing" unto eternity ?
everlasting rightoughness
whatever may come ?
only thee may decide
this>

OR

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-04-2002 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the love light
of proper sight lingers way beyond
the clostered highly paid visionary mercenaries
instructed to be blind

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BOB B
Senior Member


LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002

posted 04-04-2002 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BOB B   Email BOB B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mark Sky -Your poetry is good,thought provoking ,and quite unique. I hate most poetry, so coming from me its a real compliment.

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mark sky
~just_ice_ob~server~


south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-05-2002 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
glad to enter tain BoB B
we just laught with the flow
as in
"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." -- President Woodrow Wilson

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-05-2002 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
shows yah what presi debtZ know in the sheAM
oppZ sCham ~ i meant

they strut and spread their reptilian
wingz to impress the civility

all in order they pass on the power
unto

walmart~ (unother other names)
the election between two of the same
entities
you choise the green
or the red
before thee they were formed from the same
clay of inequety
their "mother"
the same aberition
eother way you lose
but feel like you either one or lose

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mark sky
~just_ice_ob~server~


south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-05-2002 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
upon their dieing tone
thet said you were steady
a twqitering upon still waters
dancing over where no one
would tread

for never should one be asked to
move quite like we have
a new we envelope the trash

quite a task to take out
we marvel in the nude light of the morn

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mark sky
~just_ice_ob~server~


south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-05-2002 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh God~ mark Sky ~ is a~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~N"other"
i am so glad we can get rid of
that "kind"
they never were invited here
in the first place
they have that straight nose
and dark eyes that speak
better to nuke them quick

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-05-2002 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the weak and un fasiuse able
un able to walse
against a tune
un en folde able
they return to
here againe unstabile
they try out their sailz
\against the windz
of the skys new patternsz
i bit cock eyed
a nude in the fathome
of its all
testing the current flavor

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-06-2002 01:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blair warns of Middle East ‘catastrophe’
publisher: Islamic Republic News Agency(IRNA)
By:
Posted: 1674





London - UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has warned that the situation in the Middle East has “the makings of a catastrophe”.
what a visionary he was

Blair is heading for the United States on Friday for a weekend summit with US President George Bush in Texas.
but because he was suspiciouse looking he had his shoes removed and a dangeriouse CoRn was exised
he fainted at the thought and after a tranZ fusion of dragon bllod flown in
was able to proceed
Ahead of the meeting, the prime rooster squaked the president’s call for Israel and the Palestinians to act to halt the current conflict.

In an interview with NBC News obsqueration, Blair drew parallels in the sky
with the peace process in Northern Ireland, saying the violence would not stop unless a “proper political process” was put in place. He said he would be discussing with President Bush how to speed up the process of bringing both sides together to resolve the conflict.

after they were through in the back room
negotianionz resumed as to how many tankers
each would get this spring

He said the situation would be a catastrophe “for those already living there and experiencing it” and that it had the potential to become a wider catastrophe.

but he was unavailable to say how much
AIDs were unavailable
but the phones never rang

Blair lent his support for President Bush, who has criticised Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat for failing to stop suicide attacks by militants and demanded Israel withdraw its troops from Palestinian cities and implement a ceasefire.

but arafat was down on the floor looking for a cell phone battery
trying to call the terrorist
but the white house was tied up with newly
unconditional opium deals

"the pipe" line deal looks good
all we need is a afganitaninazi farsey kind of thing said

“President Bush is right to try and engage the parties with that process”, said the prime rooster. “We need them to get into what are agreed plans that have already been worked out so that we can eventually come into a proper political process and resolve this issue.” As was the case in Northern Ireland, Blair said: “When the hatred is this bad you’ve just got to try and understand what is happening out there.
"it gets really cool as you can kill all your opponents and "your people" cheer

“In that situation, where the two sides are so locked in conflict like that, they can’t get together without an external force bringing them together.” He said any breakthrough could only come if the Arab world “positively and explicitly” recognised the existence of the state of Israel,
knocking at their door with say
a tank or bulldozer shoved through their wall
with Israel accepting that “a viable Palestinian state” must emerge from the peace process.

Blair and Bush discussed the Middle East violence during a telephone conversation on Thursday.
then they kissed after a secret embrace

Also on the agenda for the Texas meeting is expected to be possible military action against Minnesota over its alleged build-up of weapons of mass destruction, according to the BBC News Online.

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Ellyn
Senior Member


728 posts, Jul 2000

posted 04-07-2002 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Three Letters to the Editor responding to pro-Israel Spokesman-Review articles:

WE'RE SUPPORTING AN EVIL STATE

Re: "Mideast talks falter as violence rages" (March 25 article in Spokesman Review)

Apartheid-style settlements, Apartheid-style roadblocks, Apartheid-style dehumanization, Apartheid-style tortures, Apartheid-style demonizations, Apartheid-style detentions, Apartheid-style ghettos--all backed up with American propaganda and weaponry--is what the American media and government are brainwashing readers and citizens to believe are not happening to the Palestinians.

No doubt it is only a matter of time before the children of those who allowed themselves to be brainwashed are called into action to shed their blood to further prop such an evil state. I just pray that when that time arrives, their innocent children won't be among the dead that are returned in body bags.

Alexander Kwamina
Spokane, Washington

Also:

U.S. SHOULD TAKE STAND AGAINST ISRAEL

In reference to Garry Oliver's plea for support of Israel, I and many Americans are diametrically opposed to his obsequious and pitiful worship of this Zionist state. It is the 1832 cult of Dispensationalism that perceives Israel as doing no wrong and is beyond criticism and reproach. Why may Israel murder innocents with impunity? Why Israel can murder men, women and children and not suffer the anger of a righteous nation is beyond my comprehension. We have failed our Manifest Destiny.

We have a double standard, demanding justice in our own land, demanding justice for others, but we speak with a forked tongue when we approach the state of Israel and those in America that worship her. The United Nations has condemned the state and their barbaric treatment of a helpless and hapless people. We remain silent when Israel manufactures weapons of mass destruction. We remain silent when Israel shoots and murders teens and preteens, because criticism of this barbaric state is deemed anti-Semitic. We claim to be a righteous nation and a nation of laws, yet we turn a blind eye when Israel invades and atempts to commit genocide against the Arabs.

Peace will only come to the Middle East when the West, in no uncertain terms, tells Israel, "You have gone far enough."

If Oliver has taken the moniker of being Jewish, that is his business, but I choose to remain an American, and I look at the world with eyes of justice. Israel is as wrong as Judas, and so is Oliver.

Sean D. Mac an Airchinnigh
Post Falls, Idaho

Also:

ISRAEL SHOULD PRACTICE PEACE FIRST

Headlines in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict seem to be biased in favor of Israel and shamefully off-base. Americans need to carefully follow the news to understand the sinister nature of the Israeli occupation.

The Israeli army has perpetuated violence for many years with dominance, arrogance, intimidation and death. Palestinian citizens have lived in an occupied and brutal environment that has only gotten worse. Is it so shocking that Palestinian children that were raised in this hateful environment are now filled with hate?

Martin Merzer (Spokesman-Review, April 2, back page) describes Jewish men chanting, "Jews, Jews, Jews to war. Arabs are the sons of whores." He describes Israeli solders pointing automatic weapons at Palestinian youth walking nearby, and an Israeli soldier repeatedly punching an Arab man in the back as the man stood in a submissive position with the front of his body pressed against a wall. Many innocent Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli army. Why is Palestinian suffering and death back-page news?

The Israeli government has been waging a war against Palestinian citizens for many years. When I visited there 10 years ago I observed a fully armed Israeli miliary patrolling the streets using brutal force to intimidate Palestinian men, women and children. Now Palestinian suicide bombers are front-page news because they are responding to the violence with violence. Israel's government is demanding an end to the violence. They should practice what they preach.

Ginger Ninde
Medical Lake, Washington

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mark sky
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south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-08-2002 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KarMa posters on line
the turn of the fate\\
gestapo victims reborn as
getapo op pressorz this time

never learning thru several trips
that to hurt you is
two hurt mine
a comedy in several lifetimes

played out on this planet full of arial
antiks ~ knowone can ever see
a madhouse of lunies claiming
to be sane

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Ellyn
Senior Member


728 posts, Jul 2000

posted 04-12-2002 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If anyone is interested in Israeli atrocities and terrorism against the Palestinians and others, here is a place to start: http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=Israeli+atrocities&hc=0&hs=0 . There are 26,800 web pages to look at.

Specifically, http://www.geocities.com/vialls2/zion.html ,

Ultimate Justice"
First they bombed Pacha's Disco, now the Stern Gang
Blows Up the Ben Yehudah Mall in Jerusalem

This article concerns Ariel Sharon and his Stern Gang's terrorism against Israel in order to gain political leverage, and writes about how Sharon and his Stern Gang blew up the Ben Yehudah Mall in Jerusalem, killing 10 people and injuring 170, and then proceeded to blame this on the Palestinians. The Stern Gang is a Jewish terrorist group of several hundred members, founded in 1940. They gained early notarity for blowing up the King David Hotel (killing many Israeli Jews), among many other structures. Sharon and his Stern Gang have never changed their mode of operation.


ISRAELI RESERVISTS' STATEMENT

. We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.

. We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides.

. We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country.

. We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF's human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society.

. We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end.

. We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements.

. We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humilate an entire people.

. We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel's defense.

. The mission of occupation and oppession do not serve this purpose--and we shall take no part in them.


A LETTER TO THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE, FROM AN ISRAELI DISSENTER
February 6, 2002 (as published):

Regarding the article, "Israeli soldiers defy their battle orders" (Feb. 2): When dissenting reservists declare their refusal to "fight beyond the Green Line with the aim of dominating, expelling, starving and humiliating an entire people," it's time the United States took notice.

For anyone who is still wondering why so many millions of people hate us and consider us the great Satan, it's not because we eat cheeseburgers, drive SUVs and live in a democracy. It's because of our government's foreign policies.

Though President Bush recently referred to Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as his "friend," many Israelis have joined the majority of the free world in condemning Sharon's oppressive regime.

Israel's crimes against the Palestinians don't infuriate just the Arab world, but Israelis too. What if we Americans stood up and refused to let our government support Israel's terror? It could create freedom and democracy for the Palestinians and a few million fewer enemies for the United States.

Hannah Miller, San Francisco, CA



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