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Topic: Government announces end to American democracy???????? | Topic page views:
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-25-2002 07:34 PM
   
....The admittance by Bush that a shadow government exists which overides the will of the people at the beckoning of the global elite means essentially that we must accept that democracy and free will in America are deceptions, not based on any fact whatsoever, and that the Federal Government is no longer legitimately in power because they no longer represent the people, but themselves. They have essentially possitioned themselves as the enemy of the American people, Bush is essentially telling us to "f"ing bad, youre a slave to the global elite or you'll die in a concentration camp.....bad times are coming , prepare for a breakdown in the social and economic structures in America,a plan exists and is being implemented to bring the U.S. down in the next two years, and U.N. peacekeeping forces will soon be patroling America in full uniform.(remember me,I'm the one who e-mailed Bush and called him a lying criminal to his face, a traitor and that I knew of his shadow gov.)The best thing we can do as Americans I believe, in order to preserve freedom and our very lives is remove this shadow government, the federal reserve, the CIA, and the UNITED NATIONS PEACEKEEPING FORCES , and the Zionist monopoly on the mass media, by using the law of our great land to remove these parasites legally from our countrys' control.REmember, by thier own admission, they no longer are a democraticaly elected government, and we have absolutely no bond of loyalty due them either by law or by moral considerations, in other words, they have declared war on us, on our way of life, not the other way around.It seems we will be given no choice but to fight or to die soon,I hope it doesnt get that bad ,but the way it is degrading so rapidly, I predict by late summer U.N. troops will be in our country ,and the United States of America a memory
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-25-2002 11:25 PM
I disagree -- on several grounds.We are not a ‘democracy’, we never were, and with any luck we never will be. The United States of America is a Constitutional Republic, where peoples’ rights are not subject to the whim of the majority, but protected by one of the greatest documents ever written. But I do admit that it was a democratic process and the free will of the voters that got Dubya, like any other President, into office; and from what I have read, the people in the ‘shadow government’ were folks that were either constitutionally-mandated to take over the Presidency in case of Bush’s death, (i.e., Cheney) or were people who were in the chain of command in the various secretariats of the executive branch, i.e., the lawful successors to the various cabinet secretaries upon their death or inability to carry out their office. The fact that the various congress-critters weren’t told is irrelevant; the ‘shadow’ government was an executive effort, not a legislative one. The only way that a congress-critter would be in the loop for the presidency would be if the shadow-government guys were dead, too. I do think ol’ Dubya might have told the congress about the plans, but knowing how they blab anything that might play with the voters, I can see why he wouldn’t’ve told them anything. No one has ever come up with the slightest bit of evidence that this ‘shadow’ government was doing anything at all except to be ready for a disaster that has not come and hopefully never will.
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Duncan Kunz / duncankunz@cox.net
Mesa AZ / 480-891-2525
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Duncan Kunz on 03-25-2002]
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herbivore
Along for the ride
New Mexico
105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-26-2002 01:34 AM
You are kidding, of course. Or maybe you are just fishing for a reaction. Shrub II was SE-lected, NOT elected. Please, you aren't that ignorant. A vacation during the month of Dec '00 is no excuse, either. The Supremes saw to that when they subverted the recounting process underway in Florida, putting the kybosh on the electoral college proceeding properly, or in the worst case scenario--as provided for by law--having Congress sort it out. Never in our history has there been such a cynical, specious and utterly threadbare decision by this "highest" court in the land. The crafty decision itself admonishes anyone against future references in pleadings to its very peculiar, nauseating twists and turns. Who can you use as a source for this news of a proper election? Tom Brokaw, the little stickhead who waived Cipro at us on the national evening news? He isn't very convincing, sorry. "That an election can be stolen by the highest court in the land under the deliberate pretext of an inapplicable constitutional provision has got to be one of the most frightening and dangerous events ever to have occured in this country," according to former prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi, author of "The Betrayal of America." VB isn't exactly a whale saver or tree hugger. He polished off Charles Manson, once upon a time. But there's no reason to quibble. Surely there is wide margin for comfort when those who were elected the old fashioned way stand by mutely and let it happen. I have yet to hear Mr. Daschle articulate the first word that might begin to describe these events. Not a few months ago Congress was all too eager to waste the world's time with their filthy impeachment carnival. Give them a real issue, one of monumental importance, and see how they are stricken deaf, dumb and blind. Yeah. We had us a real election back in '00. Yup, you bet.
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It isn't easy bein' green
[Edited 2 times, lastly by herbivore on 03-26-2002]
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-26-2002 10:00 AM
Duncan, as usual, you have minimized my fears publically that our government is corrupted and totally out of control.You are being silly if you claim the very constitution you mentioned us having, the one that makes this country a democratic constitutional republic(this is the political nomenclature of our country!)has not been subverted, perverted, and flushed down the toilet.Duncan, if you continue to serve this government, soon you will find yourself the declared enemy of the people of this great country and the world.....BUSH MUST NOT REMAIN IN POWER IF THIS WORLD IS TO SURVIVE,the fate of our world , of our species , is now in our own hands, as Ive stated before, we have no legal reason or moral obligation to honor this Satanic government, as they have repeately shown themselves to be the enemy of the constituents they "represent",and the world in general... into the ground....Good day, duncan, and good luck to you, youre going to need it wtshtf....wgyn
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-26-2002 12:32 PM
Whatever.
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-26-2002 01:17 PM
NOT WHATEVER, WHENEVER, YOUR INTELLECTUALLY SUPERIOR MAJESTY(MAN AM I LMFAO!)
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-26-2002 02:02 PM
I wasn't aware that the 'A' you are LYFAO with was 'F', but I will take your word for it.This is one case where even a debunker like me does not want to see the evidence.
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-26-2002 05:41 PM
a debunker is one who disproves with empiracal evidence that a stated theory is incorrect,,,Duncan, youre not a debunker, youre a bullshit artist
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Duncan Kunz
Senior Member
582 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-26-2002 06:40 PM
When in doubt, always get a second opinion: http://pub31.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessage?topicID=392.topic
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-26-2002 10:27 PM
Duncan, thank you for providing me with the opprotunity to tear these jerks apart in thier own territory, and showing us here how weak thier position as debunkers of chemtrail depositon by nato aircraft really is.I won't lose any debate with a liar, so long as I know full well what his lie is,Im too bright for that, duncan, you f@^!ed up
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-26-2002 10:29 PM
a debunker is one who disproves with empiracal evidence that a stated theory is incorrect,,,Duncan, youre not a debunker, youre a bullshit artist
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 03-31-2002 08:27 AM
I have recieved what I believe to be a legally shrouded overt threat to the safety of myself and loved ones by an apparent airforce pilot at a government chemtrail debunking site.Does anyone think this statement is a threat besides myself, Im concerned deeply that my life is in danger, I do not believe he was just trying to scare me, I think I pissed him off pretty bad...here is a portion of "Mavericks"(topgun) statement:"I can take a hell of a lot more than you can possibly dish out, Bob B, as can everyone here. I can also, with one phone call, make a few of your outrageous fantasies become reality and give you a reason to be paranoid. I've seen your act on many other boards, and I must say that the death threats you leveled against a few people make me sick. That, combined with your extremely paranoid personna and an insatiable need to lie and get attention, are enough to make any law enforcement agency take heed of your actions. "------------- http://pub31.ezboard.com/fcontrailsandchemtrails22884frm1.showMessage?topicID=407.topic I don't know who I've threatened, other than to threaten corrupt military and government officials with legally mandated justice, and this board and the governments chemtrail debunking site are the only forums other than the a brief stint at Solomon"ooooIm scared" Tulbures Illuminati website that I have ever posted in..I obtained a computer in jan 2000, and Im not even the guy they think I am,VEC(or is the just disinfo, so I wont know the truth)..I don't know whats happening here for sure, I think Maverick is an intelligence opperative though, and not a pilot, as he claims, but I could be wrong...At any rate, he's a hothead and dangerous, and if he is flying military aircraft GOD HELP US ALL...WHAT I AM THINKING IS THAT THIS THREAT FROM A MAN WHO CLAIMS TO BE AIRFORCE PRESONEL ON AN AIRFORCE SITE MAY BE A WAY TO GET MASS MEDIA ATTENTION TO OUR CAUSE, AN AIRFORCE PILOT HAS MADE A THREAT AGAINST A PATRIOTIC AMERICAN WHO LOVES HIS COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE FOR AIRING HIS FEARS OVER MILITARY OPPERATIONS...
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1245 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 03-31-2002 09:03 AM
BoB B, I agree with you that this is an outright threat to you. However, I personally believe that maverick is like most of the other debunkers,is full of BS and hot air issuing empty threats from an equally empty head.
Maverick was asked to leave this board because of his threatening posts. He has an over active imagination and an over inflated sense of self worth.
He has the support from the likes of chickie deb, duncan kunz, cydoniaquest and the clown know as col. dan, all losers IMO.One of the posters on mavericks board, the one with his mug wearing glasses as an avatar,delights in calling the feds on people posting on the net then being stupid enough to brag about it on the board. He and maverick, as well as most other debunkers, suffer from the classic "little man complex" and need the attention to function in their twisted world.
Treat his board for what it is, a hate mongering den of low life pond scum calling themselves patriots that in the end will reap what they sow.
David
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-01-2002 02:31 PM
Maverick is more than a hothead, he's obviously insane, an it is odd that the US airforce would have such an idiot representing them.Speaking for myself, my opinion of the US airforce has never been very positive, I grew up hearing of paraquat,chem agents,bio agents agent orange and other deadly chemicals being sprayed by them on innocent non-combatants...We need to review the constitution and use constitutional provisions to bring these traitors to justice...........
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1245 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 04-01-2002 03:06 PM
Mavericks site is not sponsered by the USAF, he is doing this on his own. And really, who says this uh,person is a pilot for the air farce. He says he is but who's to say for sure. I would not believe a single word coming from his crooked mouth.
He gave you hell for doing the exact same thing he used to do and the 'other' debunkers continue to do. I just love his philosophy on posting, "I can crap on your board but don't you dare crap on mine". Such a mental midget.
And as far as duncan providing you with a link to mavericks site, he was doing you no favors, he knew exactly what would happen.
There is no or at least very little information sharing on his site. Of course when you know it all, there is nothing to discuss or share. Most of the posts are dedicated to talking about other people on other boards, and generally running them down. Worthless drivel.
Like little children, the debunkers here run to maverick, kiss his feet and give him the latest scoop, maverick in turn runs to col. dan kisses his a-- then gives him the lastest revised version of the scoop.As you may have gathered from the above posts, I'm somewhat hostile towards this circle jerk of debunkers. 
David
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-02-2002 10:00 PM
All I have to say to Maverick and whatever"authority" he answers to this..I will not be intimidated in this way.Copies of your threats are being distributed in case of my improbable demise.If you kill me, people will be suspicious, don't you think, now that you've made this threat??I am not subject to your psychological warfare tactics, I am relatively unconcerned now that I know others here have experienced similar threats and they are still here.
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BOB B
Senior Member
LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 04-05-2002 02:16 PM
For us to get thru the next ten years alive, we will need to take steps to insure our survival.If we do not act now, that is, take positive, meaningful steps to make a change, we will all in all likelyhood perish soon.There are forces at work who have no good intentions for us .We have outlivde our usefulness to them. Soon the slaughter will begin, on an unprecedented basis, No corner of the world will be left untouched.Events which surpass your worst nighmare in their horrible reality are on the horizon.We , and only we, by waking up, can simply refuse.Refuse to pay the mortgage, the car payment,credit card bills, the taxxes/Refuse to license our cars.REfuse to go to court for "tickets".Refuse to use credit or "money".REuse to pay property taxes...We, thier so called "GOYUM", can flip them the bird, so to speak.What great power would they have then??Thier grip on us is financial, folks, it's the onlt reason thier still here
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