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KnewEyes
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665 posts, Apr 2001

posted 04-04-2002 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A Long read,,, but a must read if you are a Gentile, a Goyim,, which is ANYONE whom ISN'T a zionist jewish person. Here are a few excerpts:
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Mr. Henry Ford, in an interview published in the New York WORLD, February 17th, 1921, put the case for Nilus tersely and convincingly thus: "The only statement I care to make about the PROTOCOLS is that they fit in with what is going on. They are sixteen years old, and they have fitted the world situation up to this time. THEY FIT IT NOW." Indeed they do!

THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION

PROTOCOL No. 1

6. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one's party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier of the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power.

11. The political has nothing in common with the moral. The ruler who is governed by the moral is not a skilled politician, and is therefore unstable on his throne. He who wishes to rule must have recourse both to cunning and to make-believe. Great national qualities, like frankness and honesty, are vices in politics, for they bring down rulers from their thrones more effectively and more certainly than the most powerful enemy. Such qualities must be the attributes of the kingdoms of the GOYIM, but we must in no wise be guided by them.

MIGHT IS RIGHT
12. Our right lies in force. The word "right" is an abstract thought and proved by nothing. The word means no more than: Give me what I want in order that thereby I may have a proof that I am stronger than you.

PROTOCOL No. 3
7. We appear on the scene as alleged saviours of the worker from this oppression when we propose to him to enter the ranks of our fighting forces - Socialists, Anarchists, Communists - to whom we always give support in accordance with an alleged brotherly rule (of the solidarity of all humanity) of our SOCIAL MASONRY. The aristocracy, which enjoyed by law the labor of the workers, was interested in seeing that the workers were well fed, healthy, and strong. We are interested in just the opposite - in the diminution, the KILLING OUT OF THE GOYIM. Our power is in the chronic shortness of food and physical weakness of the worker because by all that this implies he is made the slave of our will, and he will not find in his own authorities either strength or energy to set against our will. Hunger creates the right of capital to rule the worker more surely than it was given to the aristocracy by the legal authority of kings.

PROTOCOL No. 4

WE SHALL DESTROY GOD

3. But even freedom might be harmless and have its place in the State economy without injury to the well-being of the peoples if it rested upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity, unconnected with the conception of equality, which is negatived by the very laws of creation, for they have established subordination. With such a faith as this a people might be governed by a wardship of parishes, and would walk contentedly and humbly under the guiding hand of its spiritual pastor submitting to the dispositions of God upon earth. This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.

4. In order to give the GOYIM no time to think and take note, their minds must be diverted towards industry and trade. Thus, all the nations will be swallowed up in the pursuit of gain and in the race for it will not take note of their common foe. But again, in order that freedom may once for all disintegrate and ruin the communities of the GOYIM, we must put industry on a speculative basis: the result of this will be that what is withdrawn from the land by industry will slip through the hands and pass into speculation, that is, to our classes.

PROTOCOL No. 5

8. In all ages the people of the world, equally with individuals, have accepted words for deeds, for THEY ARE CONTENT WITH A SHOW and rarely pause to note, in the public arena, whether promises are followed by performance. Therefore we shall establish show institutions which will give eloquent proof of their benefit to progress.

10. IN ORDER TO PUT PUBLIC OPINION INTO OUR HANDS WE MUST BRING IT INTO A STATE OF BEWILDERMENT BY GIVING EXPRESSION FROM ALL SIDES TO SO MANY CONTRADICTORY OPINIONS AND FOR SUCH LENGTH OF TIME AS WILL SUFFICE TO MAKE THE "GOYIM" LOSE THEIR HEADS IN THE LABYRINTH AND COME TO SEE THAT THE BEST THING IS TO HAVE NO OPINION OF ANY KIND IN MATTERS POLITICAL, which it is not given to the public to understand, because they are understood only by him who guides the public. This is the first secret.

6. At the same time we must intensively patronize trade and industry, but, first and foremost, speculation, the part played by which is to provide a counterpoise to industry: the absence of speculative industry will multiply capital in private hands and will serve to restore agriculture by freeing the land from indebtedness to the land banks. What we want is that industry should drain off from the land both labor and capital and by means of speculation transfer into our hands all the money of the world, and thereby throw all the GOYIM into the ranks of the proletariat. Then the GOYIM will bow down before us, if for no other reason but to get the right to exist.

PROTOCOL No. 7

1. The intensification of armaments, the increase of police forces - are all essential for the completion of the aforementioned plans. What we have to get at is that there should be in all the States of the world, besides ourselves, only the masses of the proletariat, a few millionaires devoted to our interests, police and soldiers.

5. We must compel the governments of the GOYIM to take action in the direction favored by our widely conceived plan, already approaching the desired consummation, by what we shall represent as public opinion, secretly promoted by us through the means of that so-called "Great Power" - THE PRESS, WHICH, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS THAT MAY BE DISREGARDED, IS ALREADY ENTIRELY IN OUR HANDS.

PROTOCOL No. 9

4. IT IS FROM US THAT THE ALL-ENGULFING TERROR PROCEEDS. WE HAVE IN OUR SERVICE PERSONS OF ALL OPINIONS, OF ALL DOCTRINES, RESTORATING MONARCHISTS, DEMAGOGUES, SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS, AND UTOPIAN DREAMERS OF EVERY KIND. We have harnessed them all to the task: EACH ONE OF THEM ON HIS OWN ACCOUNT IS BORING AWAY AT THE LAST REMNANTS OF AUTHORITY, IS STRIVING TO OVERTHROW ALL ESTABLISHED FORM OF ORDER. By these acts all States are in torture; they exhort to tranquility, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace: BUT WE WILL NOT GIVE THEM PEACE UNTIL THEY OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGE OUR INTERNATIONAL SUPER-GOVERNMENT, AND WITH SUBMISSIVENESS.

CHRISTIAN YOUTH DESTROYED

10. WE HAVE FOOLED, BEMUSED AND CORRUPTED THE YOUTH OF THE "GOYIM" BY REARING THEM IN PRINCIPLES AND THEORIES WHICH ARE KNOWN TO US TO BE FALSE ALTHOUGH IT IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN INCULCATED.

13. You may say that the GOYIM will rise upon us, arms in hand, if they guess what is going on before the time comes; but in the West we have against this a maneuver of such appalling terror that the very stoutest hearts quail - the undergrounds, metropolitans, those subterranean corridors which, before the time comes, will be driven under all the capitals and from whence those capitals will be blown into the air with all their organizations and archives.

PROTOCOL No. 10

OUR GOAL - WORLD POWER
3. We count upon attracting all nations to the task of erecting the new fundamental structure, the project for which has been drawn up by us. This is why, before everything, it is indispensable for us to arm ourselves and to store up in ourselves that absolutely reckless audacity and irresistible might of the spirit which in the person of our active workers will break down all hindrances on our way.

4. WHEN WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED OUR COUP D'ETAT WE SHALL SAY THEN TO THE VARIOUS PEOPLES: "EVERYTHING HAS GONE TERRIBLY BADLY, ALL HAVE BEEN WORN OUT WITH SUFFERING. WE ARE DESTROYING THE CAUSES OF YOUR TORMENT - NATIONALITIES, FRONTIERS, DIFFERENCES OF COINAGES. YOU ARE AT LIBERTY, OF COURSE, TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE UPON US, BUT CAN IT POSSIBLY BE A JUST ONE IF IT IS CONFIRMED BY YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY TRIAL OF WHAT WE ARE OFFERING YOU." ... THEN WILL THE MOB EXALT US AND BEAR US UP IN THEIR HANDS IN A UNANIMOUS TRIUMPH OF HOPES AND EXPECTATIONS. VOTING, WHICH WE HAVE MADE THE INSTRUMENT WHICH WILL SET US ON THE THRONE OF THE WORLD BY TEACHING EVEN THE VERY SMALLEST UNITS OF MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE TO VOTE BY MEANS OF MEETINGS AND AGREEMENTS BY GROUPS, WILL THEN HAVE SERVED ITS PURPOSES AND WILL PLAY ITS PART THEN FOR THE LAST TIME BY A UNANIMITY OF DESIRE TO MAKE CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH US BEFORE CONDEMNING US.

5. TO SECURE THIS WE MUST HAVE EVERYBODY VOTE WITHOUT DISTINCTION OF CLASSES AND QUALIFICATIONS, in order to establish an absolute majority, which cannot be got from the educated propertied classes.In this way, by inculcating in all a sense of self-importance, we shall destroy among the GOYIM the importance of the family and its educational value and remove the possibility of individual minds splitting off, for the mob, handled by us, will not let them come to the front nor even give them a hearing; it is accustomed to listen to us only who pay it for obedience and attention. In this way we shall create a blind, mighty force which will never be in a position to move in any direction without the guidance of our agents set at its head by us as leaders of the mob.


WE NAME PRESIDENTS
11. In the near future we shall establish the responsibility of presidents.

12. By that time we shall be in a position to disregard forms in carrying through matters for which our impersonal puppet will be responsible. What do we care if the ranks of those striving for power should be thinned, if there should arise a deadlock from the impossibility of finding presidents, a deadlock which will finally disorganize the country? ...

13. In order that our scheme may produce this result we shall arrange elections in favor of such presidents as have in their past some dark, undiscovered stain, some "Panama" or other - then they will be trustworthy agents for the accomplishment of our plans out of fear of revelations and from the natural desire of everyone who has attained power, namely, the retention of the privileges, advantages and honor connected with the office of president. The chamber of deputies will provide cover for, will protect, will elect presidents, but we shall take from it the right to propose new, or make changes in existing laws, for this right will be given by us to the responsible president, a puppet in our hands. Naturally, the authority of the presidents will then become a target for every possible form of attack, but we shall provide him with a means of self-defense in the right of an appeal to the people, for the decision of the people over the heads of their representatives, that is to say, an appeal to that some blind slave of ours - the majority of the mob. Independently of this we shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war. We shall justify this last right on the ground that the president as chief of the whole army of the country must have it at his disposal, in case of need for the defense of the new republican constitution, the right to defend which will belong to him as the responsible representative of this constitution.

PROTOCOL No. 11

WE ARE WOLVES
4. The GOYIM are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what happens when the wolves get hold of the flock? ....

5. There is another reason also why they will close their eyes: for we shall keep promising them to give back all the liberties we have taken away as soon as we have quelled the enemies of peace and tamed all parties ....

6. It is not worth to say anything about how long a time they will be kept waiting for this return of their liberties ....

7. For what purpose then have we invented this whole policy and insinuated it into the minds of the GOY without giving them any chance to examine its underlying meaning? For what, indeed, if not in order to obtain in a roundabout way what is for our scattered tribe unattainable by the direct road? It is this which has served as the basis for our organization of SECRET MASONRY WHICH IS NOT KNOWN TO, AND AIMS WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS SUSPECTED BY, THESE "GOY" CATTLE, ATTRACTED BY US INTO THE "SHOW" ARMY OF MASONIC LODGES IN ORDER TO THROW DUST IN THE EYES OF THEIR FELLOWS.

PROTOCOL No. 12

1. The word "freedom," which can be interpreted in various ways, is defined by us as follows -

2. Freedom is the right to do what which the law allows. This interpretation of the word will at the proper time be of service to us, because all freedom will thus be in our hands, since the laws will abolish or create only that which is desirable for us according to the aforesaid program.

WE CONTROL THE PRESS
4. NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.

ONLY LIES PRINTED
15. Methods of organization like these, imperceptible to the public eye but absolutely sure, are the best calculated to succeed in bringing the attention and the confidence of the public to the side of our government. Thanks to such methods we shall be in a position as from time to time may be required, to excite or to tranquilize the public mind on political questions, to persuade or to confuse, printing now truth, now lies, facts or their contradictions, according as they may be well or ill received, always very cautiously feeling our ground before stepping upon it .... WE SHALL HAVE A SURE TRIUMPH OVER OUR OPPONENTS SINCE THEY WILL NOT HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSITION ORGANS OF THE PRESS IN WHICH THEY CAN GIVE FULL AND FINAL EXPRESSION TO THEIR VIEWS owing to the aforesaid methods of dealing with the press. We shall not even need to refute them except very superficially.

PROTOCOL No. 15

GENTILES ARE STUPID
GENTILES ARE CATTLE

9. Death is the inevitable end for all. It is better to bring that end nearer to those who hinder our affairs than to ourselves, to the founders of this affair. WE EXECUTE MASONS IN SUCH WISE THAT NONE SAVE THE BROTHERHOOD CAN EVER HAVE A SUSPICION OF IT, NOT EVEN THE VICTIMS THEMSELVES OF OUR DEATH SENTENCE, THEY ALL DIE WHEN REQUIRED AS IF FROM A NORMAL KIND OF ILLNESS ..... Knowing this, even the brotherhood in its turn dare not protest. By such methods we have plucked out of the midst of MASONRY the very root of protest against our disposition. While preaching liberalism to the GOY we at the same time keep our own people and our agents in a state of unquestioningly submission.

PROTOCOL No. 16

1. In order to effect the destruction of all collective forces except ours we shall emasculate the first stage of collectivism - the UNIVERSITIES, by reeducating them in a new direction. THEIR OFFICIALS AND PROFESSORS WILL BE PREPARED FOR THEIR BUSINESS BY DETAILED SECRET PROGRAMS OF ACTION FROM WHICH THEY WILL NOT WITH IMMUNITY DIVERGE, NOT BY ONE IOTA. THEY WILL BE APPOINTED WITH ESPECIAL PRECAUTION, AND WILL BE SO PLACED AS TO BE WHOLLY DEPENDENT UPON THE GOVERNMENT.

2. We shall exclude from the course of instruction State Law as also all that concerns the political question. These subjects will be taught to a few dozen of persons chosen for their preeminent capacities from among the number of the initiated. THE UNIVERSITIES MUST NO LONGER SEND OUT FROM THEIR HALLS MILK SOPS CONCOCTING PLANS FOR A CONSTITUTION, LIKE A COMEDY OR A TRAGEDY, BUSYING THEMSELVES WITH QUESTIONS OF POLICY IN WHICH EVEN THEIR OWN FATHERS NEVER HAD ANY POWER OF THOUGHT.


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Well, those are just a very few excerpts from these Zionists protocols,,,, the rest can be read here:
http://www.thewinds.org/library/protocols_of_zion.html#protocol3


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Molliani
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The Protocols are diabolic creation.
From what little I know... all Jews are
not Zionists and all Zionists are not Jews.
Some of the prominent Zionists are
Christian Fundamentalist Leaders.
Zionism is political in force and nature.


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Molliani
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I just wanted to add this ..... I've never
considerd my identity in terms of
goyim or gentile.

I'm white, female and Catholic and I plan
to stay this way.

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BOB B
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posted 04-05-2002 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BOB B   Email BOB B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These"zionists"are simply Satanic "jews"...I think the goyum or whatever they are calling us may have an answer to thier protocols, very soon.The jew has always thought of the gentile as a subhuman slave.By the creators own hand shall they perish in thier own land,and in ours also.Let them be , they know thier fate already

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3T3L1
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posted 04-05-2002 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3T3L1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The jew has always thought of the gentile as a subhuman slave.

Not all Jews think this way. Hubby and I met many Jews when we lived West Bloomfield and Southfield, two heavily Jewish Detroit suburbs. They were unfailingly kind, sensible and good people. Some of them were neighbors, some were coworkers, and some became very dear friends.

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KnewEyes
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No.. it is not all Jewish people who are involved in this mindset. It is only the practicing Zionist Jews who have this attitude. There are many wonderful Loving human beings who are Jewish, and are totally against this type of EVIL.
These are the hidden Black magicians who have been working for 2000 years chipping away at our future which is here, right now. They have achieved a whole hell of alot of their goals, haven't they. They have achieved the goal of setting human against human, race against race.. haven't they. They are the ones who started this virus man has against himself with they're magick. That flag of theirs,with the obvious pentagram is a open slap in every humans face. They think they are so slick! And they are! See what they have done so far on their list?!!!
You know of course.. in your hearts, how to beat them at their own game don't you?
Its time for all the Duncans, and Delphis, and Lulus, and BobB's and Kneweyes, and Chem11's, and 3T's and Deb's , and Cy's, and defenders, and all human beings who care about the world to come together, and join as a force of loving energy towards each other, towards ALL memebers of the human race, who aren't evil black magician manipulators of our very lives and take our lives back from them. It can only be done in a peaceful unification of all mankind towards all of life here on earth,, not with more violence which is what they add to the soup daily. Thats what they want. Are we gonna let them play us like puppets and win? I'm gonna do my part. I won't feed any hate into this atmosphere towards anyone.. because whether you believe it or not,,, you are my brother,,, or sister. All of you.

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posted 04-05-2002 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scanner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Evil doesn’t discriminate. It doesn’t care if you are a Jew or a Gentile. It isn’t limited to any race, color, creed or religion. There are, and always have been, groups of people from every walk of life that wanted to destroy other groups…just as there are, and always have been, groups of people from every walk of life that are good and kind and don’t have any animosity against other groups.

Evil is genetic. It’s a choice. It started in the Garden and the decision to give in to it is a choice given to all of us…Jew and Gentile alike. It isn’t limited to any one group like Zionists or Nazis or Al Quaeda, or Fundamentalists, etc. I think we should guard against ALL evil. We don’t have to go to the Middle East to find it. It’s right here at “home”…wherever that may be.

We don’t need a re-run of Hitler and the Holocaust. If the Bible is correct…and I believe it is…I’m afraid that’s just the trap many will fall into. We are so predictable. We just never learn. We keep making the same mistakes…over, and over, and over again. All I can say is God must be very patient because we are WAY overdue for a trip to the woodshed!!

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posted 04-05-2002 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oregon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not all Israel is Israel..A remnant only will escape the judgement of God..

Israel as a national entity will embrace the anti-Christ and the beast..as will many in every nation.


Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?



Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.



Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.



Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.



Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.



Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.



Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.



Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.



Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.



Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.



Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.



Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.



Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand



Keep your eyes and hearts focused on the giver of Life, not on the works of the evil one and his followers.



1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.



1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.



1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.



1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.



1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.



1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as [do] others; but let us watch and be sober.



1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.



1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.



1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,



1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.



1Th 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.



1Th 5:12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;



1Th 5:13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. [And] be at peace among yourselves.



1Th 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all [men].



1Th 5:15 See that none render evil for evil unto any [man]; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all [men].



1Th 5:16 Rejoice evermore.



1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.


1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.


1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.


1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.


1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.



1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.



1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.



1Th 5:24 Faithful [is] he that calleth you, who also will do [it].

For those who have accepted the Life on Christ in them, ALWAYS remember that greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.......jim



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i made an unintentional slander of the jewish"religious" belief system..and for that I make this apology..If you're jewish and you dont have a deeply held belief of your superiority and greater importance as a human being, I have nothing against you as jew whatsoever,Ive also met "nice" jews, who seemed to be sincere friends.But if yu do think youre GODS only people, then you are my enemy, an enemy which I can identify whether you realize it or not..WE ALL HAVE THE SAME POWER THEY DO, AND THIER POWER IS BASED ON OUR IGNORANCE AS A SPECIES OF CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE, WHICH MANY "GOYUM" POSSESS AND ARE PREPARED TO USE AGAINST YOU WHEN THE TIME COMES.NO ZIONIST WILL PREVAIL,BY GODS OWN MIGHTY HAND SHALL THEY BE DESTROYED, AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES PEACE AND TRANQUILITY WILL PREVAIL.ZIONISTS ARE EVIL, SATANIC BASTARDS WITH NO REDEEMING VALUE WHATSOEVER.GOD HATES ZIONISTS.JEWS ARE NOT "GODS PEOPLE"---THEY WROTE THAT BOOK THEMSELVES

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Well, Bob..
For those who hold the bible to be a Divinely inspired record, the tribe of Judah was chosen by Yahweh to bring forth Yahshua Messiah, Jesus Christ, who is the Savior and redeemer of any who will receive Him by faith.

So in that sense, the jews are God's chosen people.
Not because they were superior or even particularly obedient or faithful,but because He chose them...

Even as He chose them, He knew they would reject His Son because their understanding was darkened and they lacked faith as a nation.

In His words, spoken by the prophet Isaiah, He described the breadth of the salvation yet to come, and the attitude of this stiff-necked nation of Israel He had chosen:


Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.



Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Many jews received Christ as Messiah, and the early church was in great part first comprised of these 'completed' jews.

But God intended that the Way of Life and Salvation in His son Jesus be for ANY person who would hear and receive-believe.., not just the jews...and it is so to this day.

In His eyes, for those who are IN Christ, there is no difference (or superiority) for any believer, jew, greek, bond, free, male or female..All are part of the body of Christ.

I am a newcomer to this forum, but have read many postings here on a variety of chemtrail topics.

I sense deep anger and hurt in some of your posts.

This chemtrail business should be cause for concern and anger..but what I sense in you is deeper than that...and at the very least, it is destructive to you.

There is a Way to deal with righteous anger, yet not be consumed by it.

Jesus said it plainly:


Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.



Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.



Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


So, even as we 'do battle', we rest in Him, knowing it is only thru the power of the living God that the victories will be won...and that they won in spiritual realms first.. jim

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Youre wasting my time and yours, jesus was a jew and the bible was written by jews to enslave the world thru deception.REligion, and particularly the jewish religion and its slave religion, christianity, are false doctrines

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benign presence


Shreveport, LA
207 posts, Sep 2001

posted 04-05-2002 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scanner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bob,

Guess I'll have to respectfully disagree about whether or not Jews are God's chosen people. I believe the Bible teaches that they are...BUT...being "chosen" has it's drawbacks. He blessed them abundantly when they obeyed Him, but He also got on their case big time when they didn't. I think He's pretty well equipped to take care of things without our help. We usually end up getting in the way when we try to handle it on our own. I think He'll probably give us a call and tell us how to act if He wants our assistance. We just need to be "listening". What was that He said? I think it was something on the order of, "Be still and know that I am God." By the way...if you think the Jewish religion and Christianity are false doctrines, what do you think is a true doctrine? Just curious.

Watching and waiting....

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FLKook
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East Central Florida
1388 posts, Apr 2001

posted 04-05-2002 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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All I can say is God must be very patient because we are WAY overdue for a trip to the woodshed!!

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That's a given.

Welcome brother Jim, (Oregon) Too many people "don't want to bring religion in to it". That is too bad because the spiritual is the big picture. Physical or intellectual pursuits are temporary. Of course, this comes from someone that holds as you do to the bible.

To elaborate on what Scanner said... Man is so inherently fallen that we should be delighted that God has given us even ONE way to salvation! This "all" paths leads to God or God is love of "all" faiths is ludicrous. One more notch in the belt of the New World Horror. One world government isn't the only thing headed toward a planet near you...we've got one world religion too. Christians don't be pacifists, remember that righteous indignation is our duty.

Yes, some of us do still believe there is a real right and wrong. Those that live in the relativism and gray area need learn discernment and not be so faint of conviction.

Digital Angel, digital angel da da da da
Digital Angel, digital angel it's not the mark of the beast.

Evil, it's not just for bad people anymore.
Digital Angel, digital angel it's not the mark of the beast.

Compliments of Glenn Beck... http://www.glennbeck.com

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BOB B
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LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002

posted 04-05-2002 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BOB B   Email BOB B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only valid religion exists in the unpolluted mind of a child who has never known religion.Religion is mans creation, not Yahwehs or any other God.Religion is Satans grip on the world

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24 posts, Apr 2002

posted 04-05-2002 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oregon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bob, Sad that you feel that way.

I don't believe I am 'enslaved' at all..
On the contrary, because of my faith in the Creator and His Savior, I am free indeed, and have been for 50 years or so...

Free to love, to laugh, to think, and to do well.

The folks on this planet who are enslaved are those who harbor and hold hatreds, jealousies, envies, strife and the other hallmarks of lost mankind close to their breasts.They are enslaved and bound by the evil one and surrounded by death.

As for my few words being wasted on you, whom I have never met:
Never is the simplicity of the Gospel 'wasted' when it's sent forth in love and truth by the Holy Spirit of the Living God in even the simplest believer such as myself.

Not all will receive it, but the message and the Truth will have it's effect when all is said and done.

May the message one day come back and touch your heart, rolling the clouds away so you can see Who He is who is calling you to Life.

He is far far greater than the schemes of even the most evil men who might use 'religions' to enslave people..jim

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BOB B
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LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002

posted 04-05-2002 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BOB B   Email BOB B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In Jesus' parable of the bushel basket and the candle he said that his intention was to remove the basket and shed light on good and evil, whereas God, in Genisis, stictlyforbids any religion or knowledge of such things.jesus intended to Illuminate our world??sounds familiar....where have I heard this before???Why would the son of god refer to his father as his god and not his father in his last dying moment(my god, my god,why have you forsaken me???Jesus sounds a lot like Lucifer to me, the two are virtually indistinguishable except in name

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benign presence


Shreveport, LA
207 posts, Sep 2001

posted 04-05-2002 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scanner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bob,

I certainly think you have to have the faith of a child in order to believe in God. At least that's what Jesus said. The older we get, the more cynical we become and the harder it is for us to believe in something we can't see.

As for religion being man's creation, I have to agree. God created man...man created religion. Being "religious" isn't what faith in God is all about. Jesus had a lot to say about that, too. But, since you don't seem to think much of Him, maybe that doesn't make much difference to you.

Am I to take it that you are an Athiest? I don't think I would bother to get up in the morning if I didn't believe in God and something better than what's going on here. You have to have real guts not to believe there is a God.

As for religion being Satanic...false religion is. Guess we'll have to stick around awhile to see what's real and what's not. One thing about it, if us Christians are wrong and there is no God, it won't make much difference, will it? And, our lives will have been better for having tried to live the way the Bible tells us we should.

Do you believe in a hereafter? Again, just curious.

Scanner

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24 posts, Apr 2002

posted 04-05-2002 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oregon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bob, With all due respect, sounds like you should take the time to read the bible..
Read it prayerfully..

It's a long book, but the message has great continuity..All of your questions, doubts and the whispered lies of Satan will be dispelled by the truth..but it is a journey one must start by faith..

Here is one of the three accounts where Jesus uses the parable of the candle and the bushel..


Luk 11:33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth [it] in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.



Luk 11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when [thine eye] is evil, thy body also [is] full of darkness.



Luk 11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.



Luk 11:36 If thy whole body therefore [be] full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

Concerning your question about Christ's last words on the cross, to explain simply here on this forum is not an easy task, but I will try..

The man Jesus Christ had taken the sins of the entire world upon himself at that point, and so was separated from His Father in Heaven..The once- for- all sacrifice was close to being done.

It's a difficult concept to try to explain spiritual things to those seeking to understand who are looking in from the outside such as yourself, but in a nutshell, Jesus Christ was the only begotten son of the Creator, yet for his life and ministry here on earth, he divested himself of that divine office and became as man, only TOTALLY imbued with the Holy Spirit so that any might see what His Father in Heaven was like..
All that he did and said when on earth, He did, not as 'God come to earth', but as the Word made flesh..

A man tempted in every way as we are, yet thru his obedience to His Father in Heaven,without sin..( he also did not inherit the fallen nature that all other have from Adam)

To think that Christ is like satan/lucifer is strange for me to imagine.
Inasmuch as Jesus Christ spent his ministry healing the sick, raising the dead, casting out demons, comforting the broken-hearted, battling evil and the works of satan one cannot imagine why satan would destroy his own handi-work...

Jesus Christ was also very hard on the religious jews of the day and had little to commend them for.

Concerning the bible and the jew, there is so much in the bible that is uncomplimentary to the 'chosen people', showing all their human faults and failings of the very worst sort, that even without the Spirit, a logical man should know that no group attempting to dominate and subject the world would portray themselves so..jim



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BOB B
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LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002

posted 04-05-2002 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BOB B   Email BOB B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since this forum is for another purpose, I will in the future refrain from discussing religion,and I appologize to anyone offended by my remarks,I have found religion to be a most devisive issue,and feel further discussion of it may undermine my mission

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Oregon
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24 posts, Apr 2002

posted 04-05-2002 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oregon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bob, I for one,am impossible to offend..

Inasmuch as this part of the forum is for 'other trails,mysteries & conspiracies', and the topic seems to be both a mystery & conspiracy to you, it would seem appropriate..

'religion' certainly can be devisive.

Personal faith and experience from truth generally has more of a 'sifting effect'..

Sincere skeptics and honest questions should always been welcome by those who know the truth on any matter..jim

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benign presence


Shreveport, LA
207 posts, Sep 2001

posted 04-05-2002 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scanner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bob…no offense taken here! I enjoyed discussing with you. But, thanks for the apology. And, you are right about this not being a religious forum. I think Kneweyes’ original intent was just to bring attention to the evil intent shown in the posted agenda. She certainly got that point across! Have a good weekend guys.

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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist


East Central Florida
1388 posts, Apr 2001

posted 04-05-2002 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BobB, I appreciate some of your posts and positons. I am also not offended by any topic including and especially religion.

You said

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Religion is Satans grip on the world
One thing that has stood out to me in the past is that those very people that find it difficult to adhere to "religion" or "Chrstianity" never find it hard to adhere to the reality that evil exists. How do you reconcile one without the other? BobB, this was a good topic to open up and you should be commended for it. I believe in many "conspiracies" I don't however believe the bible to be one of them.

Let the fee exchange of ideas flow. If it doesn't appear applicable to this topic let's state one for theological discussion. That's why Freeform and Othertrails forums were established.

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mark sky
~just_ice_ob~server~


south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-06-2002 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well KnewEyes the protocols were given to me
a couple of years before
but i must say they never made as much sence
as what you just did with them
somehow they just clicked with me
kind of like revelation
i don't know what to say
and fore my rambling mouth piece
you know what that entrails
tHanKZ

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KnewEyes
watcher


under those cloud-like things
665 posts, Apr 2001

posted 04-06-2002 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KnewEyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I am glad you found what I did, out of this information, mark. The picture couldn't be clearer in my eyes.
I see all the infighting about religion starting up here. Thats not the issue folks. My best friend and I agree to disagree MANY times,after the course of a heated discussion stemming from different beliefs and values. But there is more to us than our beliefs and I wouldn't trade my best bud for anyone
Who can say they know EXACTLY who and what God is? No one here on earth now, can give us a definition, of the true nature of The Creator of Beginning. There will always be different views, as many as there are different people and experiences, and we've all just got to accept we all are experiencing differently, so the journey for each individual can never be the same for his neighbor on the spiritual, or material paths in life. We have to look at each other in the eye and respect that each of us is individual, and we all have learned differently. "They" made sure of it. They made sure there would be deeply felt spiritual convictions in conflict with each other between the nations, races, genders,,, anywhere there was a slight difference to enhance.
Someday we all will know GOD , and then we shall then find out the real, whole truth... but with the false history we are now seeing being written in the logs of mankind TODAY,,, who can believe ANY of what a mans hand wrote in any book down throughout the ages. The bible (I believe) hold many truths, but has been very distorted by a mans hand. So I take from it what reasonates as truth in my heart, and I also know it is more literal (than symbolic) than most think. As for Jesus,,, Oh how I love him.. he's the greatest brother anyone could have. I believe he was someone who was really in tune with the true reality of our human abilities. He was using what is available to all of us in the secret recesses of our selves. He was trying to teach the people about this, but "They" couldnt let him show the people what "they had inside them" since they have suppressed it from the time of eden. So they killed him. I believe he was sent by GOD, to teach the people their own human strengths,, and he was the first one to actually penetrate the cocooned universe of slavery we live in and created an opening for the help we've been needing since being created as a slave race in Eden. Since then,, help has been trickling in and expanding our awareness that something is terribly wrong with our world.
It's time to acknowledge this, each and everyone of us,,, look each other in the eye, and agree to differ. Then we all have to join hands and sing Koom-by-ya together, it's our only hope. Either that or destroy each other because of our differences.

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mark sky
~just_ice_ob~server~


south coast of oregon
2900 posts, Oct 2000

posted 04-06-2002 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mark sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
then can we join hands and hum
in dah gada da vida?
yep OK we be sailing toward

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