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Nirvana
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Seattle, WA
180 posts, Nov 2001

posted 04-09-2002 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nirvana   Email Nirvana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This group is pretty much the top of the heap in the behind-the-scenes global pecking order (except for Russian Federation and China). Their membership is like a who's-who of the world corporate and many political elite. This includes the Rockerfellers, etc. They are the king makers. They will meet soon to hash out their latest global control plans at the end of May. This is the group to watch.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/03_31_02/BILDERBERG_FOUND/bilderberg_found.html

More information at: http://www.bilderberg.org

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BOB B
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LINDEN ,TEXAS,CASS
307 posts, Jan 2002

posted 04-10-2002 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BOB B   Email BOB B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This post seems like bait....oh well, I guess I gotta bite!!Bilderburger meetings always forshadow bad times for the rest of us, I hope something falls out of the sky on them(can I say this?)like an asteroid....Lets all pray !!

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benign presence


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posted 04-10-2002 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scanner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting...and it's right after a Trilateralist meeting held there also which was attended by Colin Powell who is now meeting with all sorts of European and Middle Eastern leaders. Patterns anyone?

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BOB B
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posted 04-10-2002 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BOB B   Email BOB B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
......"in one day shall they fall, in one day shall they be removed from the face of the Earth by the Creator.They know thier time is short.One day we will all awaken and they by Yahwehs own hand, will all perish, these purveyors of evil discourse"--anonomous

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Nirvana
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posted 04-10-2002 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nirvana   Email Nirvana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's a pattern from last year to consider.

1.) Bilderberg 2001 met in Gothenburg, Sweden on May 24-27.

2.) George Bush and European Union have summit meeting in Gothenburg, Sweden on June 15.

Coincidence?? Naaah...

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BOB B
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posted 04-12-2002 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BOB B   Email BOB B     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote from an ecentric(and funny!) old uncle of mine- [If I saw a "bilderbooger" crossin' the road, I would swerve across five lanes of traffic to hit it, and no one would give a s#it]

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Nirvana
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posted 05-22-2002 01:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nirvana   Email Nirvana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a reminder the meeting is coming up for those interested.

Bilderberg Meeting Due - American
Media Should Be Ashamed
By Victor Thorn
5-6-2

NOTE: From May 30-June 2, 2002, the ultra-secret, ultra-elitist Bilderberg cabal will meet at the Westfields Marriott Hotel in Chantilly, Va., seven miles south of Washington, D.C. The big question is: will the local and national media cover this extremely crucial event?

In mid-April, 2002, the Trilateral Commission met for four days at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington, D.C. As they do every year, this highly influential group of world leaders from North America, Japan and Europe plotted ways to promote their globalist agenda. Some of the items on their nefarious list this year were:

- America's upcoming invasion of Iraq, and how to lure Europe and other Asian nations into supporting our War Machine. - Further create a multinational financial octopus, with the United Nations as the head of a one-world government. - Keep pumping money, technology, and computers into China, bolstering them as the next premier global superpower. - Funnel more American aid to "under-exploited" foreign countries, leading the way for the implementation of a World Tax. - Finally, prevent the Israeli/Palestinian war from turning into a complete powder keg, thus endangering our Middle Eastern oil supplies.

To me, each of these issues seems vitally important, even crucial, to the world. Others thought so too, for some of the attendees included:

- David Rockefeller - Overlord, Chase-Manhattan Bank - Paul Volcker - Former Chairman, Federal Reserve - Charles Robb - Former Senator - Robert McNamara - Former Secretary of Defense - Kenneth Lay - Former CEO, Enron - Henry Kissinger - Former Secretary of State - Winston Lord - Former China Ambassador - David Gergen - Editor, U.S. News and World Report - Zbigniew Brzezinski - Former Head of National Security, Trilat co-founder - Madeline Albright - Former Secretary of State - John Deutch - Former Head, CIA - Richard Holbrook - Former U.S. Ambassador to U.N. - Harold Brown - Former Secretary of Defense - Strobe Talbott - Former Under Secretary of State - Tom Foley - Former Speaker of the House

Some fairly important names, huh? Well, in addition to them, there was also the head of Goldman-Sachs International, which is one of the ten firms that hold the most stock in our nation's Federal Reserve System. Plus, there were other representatives from:

- Fuji Xerox - The Ambassador of Germany - a Georgetown Professor - a Washington Post columnist - Chairman, Archer-Daniels Midland - President, Club of Rome - International Monetary Fund managing director - Former Canadian High Commissioner to the U.K. - a member of the British Parliament - President Emeritus, AFL-CIO (NITE branch) - President, Federal Reserve - Chairman, Levi-Strauss - Director of Rothschild & Sons - Vice Chairman, Citicorp (which owns 22% of NYFR stock) - CEO, Institution of Global Economics, Seoul - Former Minister of Trade, Mexico - Former Irish Senator - Former CEO, Xerox - Former President of Mexico

Finally, some of the speakers and panelists were:

- Dick Cheney, Vice President of the United States - Alan Greenspan, Chairman, Federal Reserve - Colin Powell, Secretary of State - Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense

In all, 251 of the most influential businessmen, statesmen, politicians, financiers, and academics met right in Washington, D.C., and how much did you hear about it in your local or national media? I'll bet nothing! I mean, Kenneth Lay, fallen head of Enron, was there. Every time he sneezed or clipped a hangnail, the press reported on it. But not this time at the Trilateral Commission meeting.

Think of it this way (as veteran reporter Jim Tucker of the American Free Press so eloquently puts it). Every year when the world's greatest actors get together at the Academy Awards, is the media present? Yes. How about when America's two best football teams meet at the Super Bowl. Is the media there? Of course. TV's Emmy awards - the media is there. Grammy's - the media is there en force. Hell, the media even reports on hog-calling contests at the State Fair in Arkansas.

But when some of the most powerful men and women congregate to determine the course of future history, did any of the following cover their meeting:

ABC - NO NBC - NO CBS - NO New York Times - NO Newsweek - NO Time Magazine - NO

Hell, the Washington Post and U.S. News and World Report even had journalists present! They should be running full-color blowout cover story articles on the Trilateral Commission's meeting. Regrettably, they're not. Instead, we get the same old sanitized, censored pablum that keeps the masses socially controlled and uninformed.

Why? It's appalling. In Russia, there used to be an old joke about their two primary newspapers - Pravda, which means "truth," and Isvestia, which translates to "News." The punch line was: "There's no truth in Pravda, and no news in Isvestia!" All of us in America laugh at that joke because we enjoy freedom of the press and openness in the media, right? Wrong. Where is the "truth" and "news" in our media if we're being spoon-fed crap that is supposed to condition and brainwash us instead of to inform us? What differentiates us from the old hard-core Soviets if we're not being told the truth? Sure, there are alternate sources of insight, like the Internet and underground press, but the mainstream media in this country should be ashamed of themselves.

Again I'll ask - why do they refuse to give us the whole story? Well, the answer lies in an all-pervasive concept: Control. Y'see, being that five multinational corporations now own the entirety of the mainstream media in this country, they essentially determine what you see and cannot see (or read or hear). With this stranglehold over the media, here's how they control their output. Let's pretend there's a hotshot journalist that graduates from college, and he lands his first job at a small-town newspaper. Young and idealistic, he writes articles about township council meetings and profiles on little old ladies growing petunias in their backyard. Everything is running smoothly, and life is good.

Within a year the kid moves on to a small city paper, keeps shining, and soon finds himself writing at a nationally known publication. He soon gets married, has two children, and buys a big house in a nice neighborhood. He even wins a few awards along the way. His future is bright.

Then, when all seems settled and cool, this reporter gets tipped-off to an incredibly horrendous program that is secretly being implemented on and against the American people without their knowledge. The reporter, outraged, does some research and discovers that, yes; this shit really is going down. So, with facts in hand and a belly full of bravado to back him up, he storms into his editor's office and lays it all out, saying that he wants to expose this obvious injustice.

Now here's where things get sticky. The editor obviously knows what's going on, so he sits the reporter down and tells him quite frankly that these types of stories "CANNOT" be covered because of the potential damage it could cause to the Controllers. The reporter freaks out and says that if his newspaper won't blow the lid off this story, he'll take his notes and sources to another outlet. The editor, who'd been through this same routine twenty years earlier, explains to the man that he's a great reporter with tons of potential, but if he pursues this story, he'll be blackballed within the Industry. Sure, he might get an underground publication to run his story, but in the mainstream, he's all washed-up. That means no more cushy assignments, hobnobbing with influential personalities, no more killer salary, and no more promotions or vacations in Hawaii. Hell, in all likelihood, he'll probably be shit-canned in the near future if he causes any more trouble. The reporter protests, but his editor tells him to consider the impact on his career. Without the big money rolling in, how can he pay his mortgage, keep his trophy wife in pretties, send their two children to private school, and dine at the finest restaurants? He'll go from prince to pauper, get divorced, and live a shit life.

So, the reporter goes home and discusses his options with his wife, then returns to work the next day to tell his editor that, yes, he'll can the expose and bury it. Pleased, the editor lets his "higher-ups" know that this guy is a "team player," and soon he gets another promotion. Then, a couple of years down the line he gets assigned to be the Executive Editor at a mid-sized newspaper. That's when some hotshot citizens come to him with a story that'll blow the lid off a government scam. They have tons of information, sources, and data - and want the new editor to run their story.

By this time, though, the editor knows how the game is played. He wasn't assigned to this job to report on news that benefits the community. He was put there to "keep a lid" on everything - to not blow any covers. So the editor tells his "higher-ups" what's going on, and asks how he should handle it. They tell him, and the editor puts a dagger through the story and kills it. It's dead, done, and over, and no one's the wiser. The "higher-ups" are again pleased with him for being a "team player," and soon he's promoted to editor at a big-city paper. And welluh, the game goes on and the System stays intact.

That's the way it works, but not only in the newspaper business. It's the same in:

Television - The same concept applies. Ask Dan Rather - he made his entire career by scamming the JFK Assassination in Dallas where he was the "chosen" reporter. He soon replaced Walter Cronkite as the anchor at the CBS Evening News. What's the frequency, Dan?

Politics - If a candidate doesn't toe the line, and instead tries to reveal the boatload of crap that's flowing through the bowels of our political system, all of a sudden the big Party Machine money from the Republicans and Democrats that had gone to their re-election campaigns suddenly dries up and is funneled to another candidate that is better "trained" in following the rules. If this candidate insists on trying to expose the inner workings of the Machine, the media conveniently uncovers a "scandal," and the politician is publicly humiliated, insuring that they'll never be re-elected again. Almost all "falls from grace" are not because a certain politician is any dirtier than the rest; it's because they're bucking the System and trying to bring to light all the shit and graft and underhanded schemes.

Academia - If an instructor or professor adheres to the accepted "curriculum" and doesn't stray or tell the truth (especially in history, political science, economics, archaeology, and the science fields), they're in the running for all the benefits of academic life. But if they venture into forbidden territory, the promotions, cushy conference trips to Florida in January, the research money, and tenure fade away into oblivion. In other words, teach what is included within the narrow confines established by the Controllers, or else you'll be passed over time and again for someone who is more of a team player.

The same rationale applies to the business world, medical profession, and the dog-eat-dog trenches of the legal profession. Either conform, or get bounced and/or rejected.

So, with the above information in mind, it's time to test the above theory. I'm sure you remember how I opened this article by writing about the recent Trilateral Commission meeting in Washington, D.C. that went completely unreported in the mainstream American media. But alas, I'm going to give them a chance to redeem themselves. How? Well, during the weekend of May 30-June 2, the Bilderbergs, the most powerful "secret" group of international bankers and high-rollers in the world, will congregate in Chantilly, Virginia at the Westfields Marriott Hotel, less than ten miles south of Washington, D.C. at Dulles International Airport.

There! As first reported in the American Free Press, the location and date have been established. The most influential men and women in the world will be there from May 30-June 2. The big question is, will the American media cover this meeting like they do the Super Bowl or Academy Awards?

They should, for some of the people expected there are David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Christopher Dodd (who will be a candidate for the Presidency in 2004), the President of the World Bank, plus queens, military advisors, and business tycoons. In addition, some of the topics to be discussed are:

- How to manipulate the "terrorism" War Machine to the Controllers benefit - A United Nations World Tax - A worldwide ban on firearms - How to make the dollar similar to the Euro currency, then filter it throughout North, Central, and South America - Further spread NAFTA to completely destroy whatever industry we have left in America - Oust Saddam Hussein and declare war on Iraq

I'm not sure about you, but these issues seem crucial to not only the USA, but the entire planet. More importantly, what these 120 individuals decide at the Bilderberg meeting will then be filtered down to the world leaders who have been "selected" to hold office. That includes America! Think about how atrocious this situation is. It should fill you with rage. A cabal of mega-rich elitists meet 'secretly' once a year to decide world events, then bestow them on OUR 'selected' political leaders in Washington, D.C. to implement. Then, to add insult to injury, the media - our FREE and OPEN media - refuses to cover these meetings. Why? Because they're controlled by the same devils that attend these nefarious conferences.

So, ask yourselves, is this the type of situation that benefits us, or does it only perpetuate the Controllers' power? If you're able to see through the ruse that's being perpetrated on us, the next thing you should ask is, how much longer are we going to tolerate being treated like morons?

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Next Chapter: http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/cfr.html The Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission

Previous Chapter: The New Age

The Systems Method
Bilderberg and Club of Rome



David Rockefeller Henry Kissinger Peter Carrington James Wolfensohn

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years." He went on to explain: "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."
-attributed to David Rockefeller at the June 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle).

Bilderberg is driven by the systems methodology. This is the methodology satirized in The Report from Iron Mountain and Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars. This latter in particular is a direct and deliberate indictment of Bilderberg. Of the former, Henry Kissinger wrote "Whoever wrote it is an idiot."

The system paradigm, in a nutshell, is the precept that one can effectively control the future by a two step process: (1) analyzing the present into primitive components and their interrelations, and (2) architecting a strategy of selective manipulation, reconstruction, introduction, and abolition, of components and interrelations. Strictly speaking, this methodology is the most effective of any - though if applied unwisely or maliciously, it is also the most destructive and pernicious.

Problems - grave problems - arise in three principal areas: (1) accurate, precise, thorough ascertainment of what the components and the interrelations are, (2) the choice of goal, and (3) the development of an implementation strategy. Total accuracy, precision, and thoroughness of analysis are impossible with any system of more than modest complexity. Societies of humans are, of course, of far more than modest complexity. Systematicians tend to underestimate the complexity of natural systems, and overestimate their capacity to accommodate complexity, both in analysis and in architecture. In particular, based on an undefendable presumption of rigor of analysis, and due to mistaken ascertainment of human nature, they develop architectures that include components and relations of rigor and regimentation, where chaos-tolerant components and relations of suggestion and flexibility are requisite.

Social and economic systematicians, being institutional academics as a rule, often choose and accept goals that are noxious, particularly when the system includes people. And, often through no deliberate intent, the architectures they develop cause disastrous collateral damage, wreaking havoc on human autonomy and conflicting wildly with the prerequisites of individual human fulfillment.

An old cliché is an apt caution for all systematicians and those subject to their machinations: A little knowledge is far more dangerous than none at all.

Bilderberg is where the top conspirators broadly effect implementation of their architecture. It is ground zero for practical conspirator coordination. The conspirator systematicians exhibit all the ills detailed above. In particular, the goal they accept is perpetuation of the existing power structure. This goal is inimical to humanity, and particularly noxious to its brightest and most inventive members. In one of those examples of happenstance that smack of fate, the chief conspirator architect - Henry Kissinger - has the initials HAK.

Using data assembled by Tony Gosling, I have done a simple analysis of attendance at Bilderberg '99 (Hotel Caesar Park Penha Longa, Sintra, Portugal), '98 (Turnberry, Ayrshire, Scotland), '97 (Pine Isle resort, Lake Lanier, near Atlanta, Georgia, USA), '96 (CIBC Leadership Centre, Toronto, Canada), and '95 (Zurich, Switzerland). The nucleus of power obviously is the set of people who attended all of them - these are the people Bilderberg is built around. I separately list people who attended four of the five meetings, and end with a list of curious attendees who aren't regulars. David Rockefeller is notable in his habitual attendance not only of Bilderberg, but of CFR and TLC gatherings, making it obvious that he is indeed the Chairman of the Board of the World. Hidden behind the scenes is the House of Rothschild, which nonetheless does make personal Bilderberg appearances.

My guess is that Sir Evelyn de Rothschild (Chairman, N M Rothschild & Sons - nmrothschild.co.uk) and perhaps some other Rothschilds set the covert agenda for each Bilderberg meeting, and have final say on who will attend in a given year, and David Rockefeller mediates their agenda, though Henry Kissinger may also act as a direct mediator. Carrington likely has much direct involvement in auditing prospective invitees. The Chairman - Peter Carrington, until 2000 when Etienne Davignon assumed the chairmanship - is the one who actually sends the invitations. The Advisory Group, Steering Committee, and Honorary Secretaries-General, nominally recommend attendees, but in practice this is not quite how things work.

Conrad Black brags (or confesses, depending on one's point of view) that "After 1986, I became the co-leader of the Canadian group and effectively chose most of the Canadian participants." Presumably, Agnelli "effectively" chooses the Italian participants, Balsemao the Portuguese, Barnevik the Swedish, Davignon the Belgian, Hoegh the Norwegian, Halberstadt the Dutch, Olechowski the Polish, de Pury the Swiss, Schrempp the German, Seidenfaden the Danish, Sutherland the Irish, Vranitzky the Austrian, Collomb the French, David the Greek, Carvajal Urquijo the Spanish, and Wolfensohn, all those not otherwise included. Selection of US and UK participants is clearly more complicated.

One might assume that those officially designated as "representatives" ("REP" in the below list) would be the ones that choose participants from their respective nations, but this is clearly not the case, considering that Black is not a "representative." Status as a representative is likely indicative of a person tending to organizational and reporting responsibilities specific to his nation. The Steering Committee ("STEERING") consists of four people responsible for more general administrative and organizational responsibilities. The role of the Advisory Committee ("ADVISORY") is unclear to me, but appears to be an ultra-select aristocratic old boy's club.

Tony Gosling has assembled a treasure trove of details on Bilderberg's history and function. This is vital reading.

This is Bilderberg
95-99:

Allaire, Paul A - USA - Chairman, Xerox Corporation
Balsemao, Francisco Pinto - P - REP: PORTUGAL -
Professor of Communication Science, New University, Lisbon; Chairman, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister.
Barnevik, Percy - S - REP: SWEDEN - Chairman, ABB Asea Brown Boveri Ltd
Black, Conrad M. - CDN - Chairman, The Telegraph plc.
Carrington, Peter - GB - STEERING: FORMER CHAIRMAN -
Former Chairman of the Board, Christie's International plc; Former Secretary General, NATO Honorary Secretary General for Europe and Canada
Hoegh, Westye - N - REP: NORWAY -
Chairman of the Board, Leif Hoegh and Co. A.S.A.; Former President, Norwegian Shipowners Association
Holbrooke, Richard C. - USA -
Former Assistant Secretary for European Affairs; Vice Chairman, CS First Boston
Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. - USA - REP: USA -
Senior Partner, Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, LLP (Attorneys-at-Law)
Kissinger, Henry A. - USA - REP: USA - Former Secretary of State; Chairman, Kissinger Associates; Inc.
Netherlands, Her Majesty the Queen of the - NL
Olechowski, Andrzej - PL - Chairman, Central Europe Trust, Poland
Pury, David de - CH - REP: SWITZERLAND - Chairman, de Pury Pictet Turrettini and Co. Ltd.
Rockefeller, David - USA - ADVISORY -
Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank International Advisory Committee
Schrempp, Jurgen E. - D - Chairman of the Board of Management, Daimler-Benz AG.
Seidenfaden, Toger - DK - Editor in Chief, Politiken A/S
Taylor, J. Martin - GB - Group Chief Executive, Barclays plc.
Vranitzky, Franz - A - Former Federal Chancellor
Wolfensohn, James D. - INT - REP: USA/INT -
President, the World Bank; President, James D. Wolfensohn, Inc.
Yost, Casimir A. - USA - REP: USA -
Director, Institute for the Study of Diplomacy, School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University, Washington; Executive Director, The Asia Foundation's Center for Asian-Pacific Affairs
96-99:

Collomb, Bertrand - F - Chairman and CEO, Lafarge
David, George A. - GR - Chairman of the Board, Hellenic Bottling Company S.A.
Wolff von Amerongen, Otto - D - ADVISORY - Chairman and CEO of Otto Wolff GmbH
95-98:

Agnelli, Giovanni - I - ADVISORY - Honorary Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
Davignon, Etienne - B - STEERING: CHAIRMAN, REP: BELGIUM -
Executive Chairman, Societe Generale de Belgique; Former Vice Chairman of the Commission of the European Communities
Levy-Lang, Andre - F - Chairman of the Board of Management, Banque Paribas.
Sutherland, Peter D. - IRL - REP: IRELAND -
Chairman and Managing Director, Goldman Sachs International; Former Director General, GATT and WTO.
Wolfowitz, Paul - USA -
Dean, Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy (see The Challenge of Managing Uncertainty: Paul Wolfowitz on Intelligence Policy-Relations)
notables:

Spain, Her Majesty the Queen of - 96 - ES
Sweden, His Majesty the King of - 98 - S
Lipponen, Paavo - 98 - FIN - Prime Minister
Ahtisaari, Martti - 95,96 - FI - President of the Republic of Finland
Oddsson, David - 97 - ICE - Prime Minister.
Chretien, Jean - 96 - CDN - Prime Minister
Harris, Michael - 96 - CDN - Premier of Ontario
Klein, Ralph - 95 - Premier of Alberta
Brittan, Leon - 98 - INT - Vice President of the European Commission
Almunia Amann, Joaquin - 98 - E - Secretary General, Socialist Party


Rothschild, Evelyn de - 98 - GB - Chairman, N M Rothschild and Sons
Rothschild, Emma - 95 - Dir Ctr for History and Economics Cambridge
Soros, George - 96 - USA - President, Soros Fund Management
Lamont, Norman - 95 - MP, Fmr Chan Excq, Director of N.M. Rothschild
Crockett, Andrew - 98 - INT - General Manager, Bank for International Settlements
Victor, Alice - 96 - USA - RRR - Executive Assistant, Rockefeller Financial Services, Inc.
McDonough, William J. - 97,98 - USA - President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
Feldstein, Martin S. - 96,98 - USA - President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research Inc.
Kopper, Hilmar - 95,98 - D - REP: GERMANY - Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank A.G.
Roll, Lord of Ipsden - none - GB - ADVISORY - President, S. G. Warburg Group plc.


Deutch, John M. - 98 - USA -
Institute Professor, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Dept. of Chemistry. Former Director General, Central Intelligence Agency; Former Deputy Secretary of Defence

Soderberg, Nancy - 95 - Dep Asst to President for NSA
Berger, Samuel R. - 97 - USA - Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.
Stephanopoulos, George - 96,97 - USA -
Visiting Professor, Columbia University, Former Senior Advisor to the President for Policy and Strategy.
Beugel, Ernst H van der - 97,98 - NL - ADVISORY -
Emeritus Professor of International Relations, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings for Europe and Canada
Griffin, Anthony G.S. - 96 - CDN - ADVISORY - Honorary Chairman and Director, Guardian Group
Chubais, Anatoli B. - 98 - RUS - Former First Vice Prime Minister; Chairman RAO EES
Buckley, Jr., William F. - 96 - USA - Editor-at-Large, National Review
Ball, George W. - none - USA - ADVISORY - Former Under-Secretary of State.
Bundy, William P. - none - USA - ADVISORY - Former Editor, Foreign Affairs.
Elliott, Theodore L., Jr. - none - USA - STEERING: SECRETARY GENERAL FOR USA -
Dean Emeritus, The Fletcher School of Law & Diplomacy; Former US Ambassador.
Jankowitsch, Peter - none - A - REP: AUSTRIA - Member of Parliament, Former Foreign Minister.
Lacharrére, Marc Lardreit de - none - F - REP: FRANCE - Chairman, Fimalac.
Carras, Costa - 96,97 - GB - REP: GREECE - Director of Companies
Monti, Mario - 96 - INT - REP: ITALY -
Commissioner, European Communities, Rector and Professor of Economics, Bocconi University, Milan.
Ruggiero, Renato - 96 - INT - REP: ITALY -
Director General, World Trade Organization; Former Minister of Trade
Knight, Andrew - 95,96 - GB - REP: UNITED KINGDOM -
Executive Chairman, News International plc.
Mathias, Charles McC. - none - USA - REP: USA -
Partner, Jones, Day, Reavis & Pogue; Former US Senator (Republican, Maryland).
Whitehead, Rozanne C. - none - USA - REP: USA - Former Deputy Secretary of State.
Williams, Lynn R. - none - USA - REP: USA - International President, United Steel- Workers of America.
I have also created a complete alphabetically sorted list of all '95-'99 attendees.

Read here the documents presented at Bilderberg '99.

from The News, 1999-May-1:

International power brokers meet to discuss global future
World's most secret society to meet in Sintra
The world's most secret society is to meet in Portugal in June. Bilderberg, one of the most secretive organisation in the world, comprising presidents, royal families, ministers, top industrialists and financial leaders are set to meet in Sintra, Portugal at the beginning of June. Francisco Pinto Balsamão, former Portuguese PM, media baron and frequent attendee of the meetings is listed as the member for Portugal. The security for the Bilderberg meetings, which are held at irregular intervals and prompted by the state of world affairs, is the responsibility of the host country. According to sources in Washington, Bilderberg will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to reimburse the Portuguese government for deploying military forces to guard their privacy and for helicopters to seek out intruders. Bilderberg have ordered the resort to be shut down for a full 48 hours before the conference. The Bilderberg delegates, comprising some of the world's most powerful decision makers, will be here to discuss highly classified issues which are not supposed to be disclosed to the public by the press, before or after the meeting.

Initially alerted to this meeting by a New York reader who requested anonymity, The News contacted the Caesar Park Penha Longa resort in Sintra to verify the information that the secret meeting will be held at their resort. The only confirmation we received was that an organization `wishing for the utmost privacy' would be in Sintra and that the hotel was fully and exclusively booked by this organisation from June 2 to June 7.

The agenda for the meeting is said to include a "globilaztion summit", during which nations which cling tenaciously to their sovereign identities will be denounced by its leadership. The principal feature of Bilderberg is that it seeks one global government, (a structure similar to the European Union), while counteracting nationalist sentiment is supposedly its greatest battle. Renewed calls for the United Nations to be able to directly tax all people of the world is said to be another major topic to be tabled for discussion in Sintra. Bilderberg meetings are only held when and where the hosts can provide the highest levels of security for their guests. All Bilderberg participants, their staff members and resort employees will wear photo identification tags. They will have separate colours to identify the wearer as participant, staff member or employee. A computer chip "fingerprint" will assure the identity of the card's wearer.

According to the Washington based investigative newsletter, Spotlight, who claims to have a contact inside Bilderberg, any intruders are to be manhandled, cuffed and jailed and if the intruders resist arrest or attempt to flee, they will be shot. International and national media are said to be welcome only when an oath of silence has been taken, news editors are held responsible if any of their journalists 'inadvertently' report on what takes place.

Bilderberg members are immune to all forms of bureaucracy that face ordinary citizens on a daily basis. No visas are required and a free and safe passage is provided by the government providing the Bilderberg rendezvous. They travel to and from the airport to the resort in armoured vehicles with a police escort. Meetings are held annually but rarely at the same locations for obvious security reasons. The first Bilderberg conference was held at the Bilderberg Hotel in Osterbeek Holland in May 1954, and the organization is said to have been established as a secret and supportive wing of NATO and the Marshall plan which was launched in the 1940s.

International conspiracy
The News having researched various sources on the Bilderberg meetings, discovered that PSD co-founder, Francisco Pinto Balsemão, allegedly attended at least the previous two Bilderberg meetings held in Scotland (1998) and Georgia in the United States (1997). Balsemão is said to be the only Portuguese representative on the Bilderberg steering committee. Other prominent figures listed to have attended previous meetings are Ricardo Salgado chief executive officer at Banco Espirito Santo, Henry Kissinger, Tony Blair (who attended the meeting held in 1995) and Giovanni Agnelli who is the owner of the Fiat Motor Corporation.

The News is Portugal's largest circulation English language newspaper. Established for over 20 years, it is the only Portuguese newspaper on the net that covers all the major news about Portugal in the English language.

from The News, 1999-May-8:

Bilderburg meeting - wall of silence?
As revealed exclusively in The News last week, the Bilderbergs, reputedly the world's most secret society, are due to meet in Sintra next month. We have received e-mails from all over the world congratulating The News on making this information public. Yet in Portugal, as we closed the paper on Thursday, the press has remained tight lipped about this meeting, in spite of the fact that Portugal's national press agency LUSA decided to distribute The News' report to all the Portuguese media.

A quick search of the internet on the single keyword Bilderberg, will bring up some of the most extraordinary claims regarding the objectives and activities of this powerful group of industrialists, financiers and ex-politicians. It will also reveal many reports of the lengths to which this organisation will go to maintain full secrecy over its meetings. Much of the information could be seen as scurrilous, even far fetched, with claims that these people are part of what is described as the New World Order. An hour or so of research will be enough to find the names of most of the members, details of their past meetings and claims of what has been discussed.

It is not for this newspaper to become part of this speculation, yet it is extraordinary that even in a democracy such as Portugal, the very presence of what can only be described as one of the most prestigious meetings of powerful men and women from around the world, could remain unreported anywhere.

Except in The News.

from The Big Issue, 1999-Nov-15, by Gibby Zobel, from http://www.bigissue.com/london/articles/0006.htm:

The Bilderberg Papers
World exclusive: Leaked minutes from confidential meeting of world's elite...
In the first of a two-part series, Gibby Zobel uncovers how the global power elite decides our future at the shadowy Bilderberg Summit each year. Documents from the secret summit - leaked to The Big Issue - reveal what they said about money and war

For nearly 50 years an elite group of the West's most powerful men and women, a shadow world government, have met in secret. Tony Blair is in the club. Every US president since Ike Eisenhower has been too. So are top members of the British Government. So are the people who control what you watch and read - the media barons. Which is why you may never have heard of Bilderberg.

"Lines of black limousines, unmarked except for a 'B' on the windscreen, swept in, sometimes accompanied by police escorts, sometimes not," says an eyewitness of this year's meeting in Portugal. "A helicopter was overhead, and other security officers were prudently patrolling the hillsides. The policy on duty at the gates made it crystal clear that they were only the tip of the security iceberg."

For two-and-a-half days, relaxing in exclusive luxury amid vast armed security, the powerful leaders discussed past and future wars, a European superstate, a global currency, genetics, and the dismantling of the welfare state. Unaccountable, untroubled and unreported, the Bilderberg meetings have formed the basis of international policy for decades.

Last year freelance journalist Campbell Thomas was arrested just for knocking on doors near the clandestine gathering in Turnberry, Scotland. He remained in custody for eight hours. Other journalists were told that even the Bilderberg menu was confidential (a move they named 'Kippergate'). A serving police officer told 'The Big Issue': "Special Branch and CIA were everywhere - they were calling the shots."

Never in its 47-year history has the content of these discussions been made public. Until now. 'The Big Issue' has uncovered the Bilderberg Papers - the secret minutes of this year's meeting in Portugal. Some of it is banal, some of it sensational. It blows the lid off the thoughts of presidents, chairmen of multinational companies, world bankers, Nato chiefs and defence ministers.

The meetings are shrouded in such secrecy that Prime Minister Tony Blair, when asked last year in the House of Commons, failed to disclosed his own attendance at Bilderberg in Athens in 1993.

So, what have they been hiding?
- Nato gave Russia carte blanche to bomb Chechnya

- 'Dollarisation' could be the the next step after the single European currency

- A senior British politician thinks New Labour is "consolidating the victories of the Right". On welfare cuts he adds: "It might be easier for somebody who claimed to be a socialist to impose change."

- After Kosovo Nato is in danger of mimicking a colonial power

Although 14 media chiefs and journalists from across eight countries attended this year, none of them chose to tell their readers of the meeting. It would not serve their interests to be cut out of the elite loop. With an invite-only guest-list, covert operations and such deafening silence, it is little surprise that conspiracy theories have thrived, from the anti-semites who believe in a Jewish global elite, to the paranoid delusions of the radical left. The effect has been to leave the importance of the meetings tainted by association. It suits the Bilderbergers perfectly.

The Bilderberg meetings began in a Dutch hotel on May 29 1954, from where it gets its name. 'The Economist', in a rare reference to it in 1987, said that the importance of the meetings was overplayed but admitted: "When you have scaled the Bilderberg, you have arrived."

At last year's meeting, former defence minister George Robertson, who is now Nato secretary-general, planned strategies with the Bilderberg chair and ex-Nato chief Lord Carrington.

'Observer' editor-in-chief Will Hutton attended Bilderberg in 1997. He believes that it is the home of the "high priests of globalisation". "No policy is made here," he says, "it is all talk. But the consensus established is the backdrop against which policy is made worldwide."

The 64-page leaked document - The Bilderberg Papers - is dated August 1999. The powerful transatlantic clique at the private hideaway included new Northern Ireland secretary Peter Mandelson MP, environmentalist Jonathon Porritt, Kenneth Clarke MP, former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, billionaire oil and banking tycoon David Rockefeller, Monsanto chief Robert B Shapiro, and the head of the World Bank, James D Wolfensohn.

Although Asian and African politics and economics were discussed the continents' countries had no seats at this summit. The official eight-strong UK delegation included bankers Martin Taylor, former chief executive of Barclay's and Eric Roll, a banker for Warburgs. They were joined by Martin Wolf of The Financial Times and two journalists from The Economist, John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge, who, the minutes indicate, prepared this document.

The papers are marked 'Not for Quotation'. It states: "There were 111 participants from 24 countries. All participants spoke in their personal capacity, not as representatives of their national governments or employers. As is usual at Bilderberg meetings, in order to permit frank and open discussion, no public reporting of the conference took place."

None of the quotes in each of the 10 sections are directly attributable to any named individual, but the moderator and panellists in each discussion are listed. It is made perfectly clear, however, who is saying what. It is not known who else is in the audience, but their comments are identified by their country and profession.

Over two weeks, we report on the central themes of this year's meeting. This week: money and war. Next week: genetics - what the head of Monsanto and a leading British environmentalist discussed behind closed doors.

what they said about money
Giants of the global banking world, in a debate titled 'Redesigning the International Financial Architecture', discussed the concept of 'dollarisation' which is sure to send euro-sceptics into a frenzy.

Around the table were Kenneth Clarke MP, Martin S Feldstein, president of the National Bureau of Economic Research, Stanley Fisher, deputy managing director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Ottmar Issing, board member of the European Central Bank and Jean Claude Trichet, governor of the Bank of France.

Bilderberg is understood to have been the birthplace of the single European currency. The deputy director of the IMF opens by remarking: "It is worth noting that this is the first Bilderberg meeting where the euro is fact rather than a topic for discussion."

During the discussion, "One of the panellists was sure that if the euro worked, more regional currencies would emerge. Others raised the question of dollarisation as a possible cure."

There is a dissenting voice:

"The only possible reason for surrendering control of your monetary policy to Washington (where nobody would make decisions on the basis of what mattered in Buenos Aires [or London]) is the fairly rotten financial records of the governments concerned."

what they said about war
Despite Tony Blair's presidential stance over Kosovo, Nato's historic war was pilloried at Bilderberg. "The mood at the meeting was surprisingly subdued most of the speakers concentrated on the downside of the conflict," begins the discussion on Kosovo.

Henry Kissinger, former US secretary of state, weighs in, saying Kosovo "could be this generation's Vietnam". Nato is in danger of replacing the Ottoman and Habsburg Empires in a series of permanent protectorates, he said. Another panellist warned that troops could be there for 25 years. Kissinger felt that this left Nato open to accusations of colonialism. "How did one persuade countries like China, Russia and India that Nato's new mandate was not just a new version of 'the white man's burden' - colonialism?" asked Kissinger.

Charles D Boyd, executive director of the US National Study Group, said Kosovo is now a wasteland, a humanitarian disaster comparable with Cambodia. "Nato used force as a substitute for diplomacy rather than as a support for it it used force in a way that minimised danger to itself but maximised danger to the people it was trying to protect."

An unnamed British politician "wondered whether the [Nato] alliance could hang together after the end of the war. He warned that "there would be little popular enthusiasm for putting lots of resources into solving the region's gigantic problems."

Peter Mandelson told the group that "two roads stretch in front of Nato. One leads to a new division of Europe, where the continent returns to its ethnocentric ways. Under this scenario, the UN is fairly powerless, Russia and China are excluded, and Nato is little more than an enforcer. The second road is a little closer to the nineteenth century Europe, with all the great powers - not just America and the EU, but Russia, China and Japan co-operating."

The following book review, from The Economist 1999-Feb-13, is a useful introductory treatment of the systems paradigm, and particularly its strengths and weaknesses:

The systems approach

By the book

RESCUING PROMETHEUS.
By Thomas Hughes.
Pantheon Books; 416 pages; $28.50

AT AN American diplomat's home soon after Neil Armstrong had set foot on the moon in 1969, this reviewer teased a fellow guest whose firm had helped design the lunar-landing module: ``So, when the crunch came, Armstrong had to override your faulty computer and land the spacecraft manually.'' The guest was Simon Ramo, a guiding spirit behind the Atlas missile programme, the ``R'' in the aerospace firm TRW and, as a pioneer of systems engineering, one of the heroes of this book. ``Do you seriously believe,'' he replied, ``that we could allow a mere astronaut to override our lunar-landing system?''

His implication was that ``the system'' of hardware, software and communications protocols that managed the spacecraft had been programmed to allow for a very common human anxiety: the last-minute conviction that the machine has got it wrong. Had NASA engineers anticipated this and built in enough ``feedback'' to give the astronauts an illusion of control when they panicked? Shades of the computer HAL in Stanley Kubrick's ``2001''. The truth of Mr Ramo's boast is not the issue. The fact is that already 30 years ago there were large technical systems smart enough to do their assigned tasks while taking care of emergencies, errors and expediencies - even unpredictable ``wetware'' (humans) trying to mess things up.

Big engineering systems existed, to be sure, before systems engineering. The pyramids involved meticulous co-ordination. The cathedral builders of medieval Europe melded technology, utility and artistic skill into a form of religious architecture yet to be surpassed. For its day, Brunel's construction of the Great Western Railway was no less challenging than the Manhattan Project which produced the atom bomb nearly a century later.

By the mid-1950s, however, something had changed. The sheer scale of projects demanded a new approach. With its 18,000 academic researchers plus 70,000 workers spread around more than 200 firms, the Atlas project to build America's first intercontinental ballistic missile did more than change the cold war. It produced a new sort of management that spread through the military and industrial worlds to alter forever how the United States earned its keep.

As teams of engineers and scientists polarised around problems rather than technologies, new cross-disciplinary bodies such as Rand, Mitre, and Ramo-Wooldridge (later TRW) emerged in America to apply theories of queuing, games, decisions, information and control as well as statistics, operations research and linear programming in a wholly integrated way. As American industry inched into the systems era, its prowess evolved, from stamping out gadgets by the million to creating smaller numbers of much pricier and more complex things - airliners, fancy weapons, telecoms satellites, chemical plants, air-traffic controls. These, today, are among America's main exports.

In ``Rescuing Prometheus'', an industrial historian, Thomas Hughes, seeks to give the large technological undertakings of the cold-war era their due. His ode to systems engineering includes a detailed look at three large defence projects and one civilian one. The first, the SAGE (Semi-Automatic Ground Environment) project to build a radar-based air-defence system, is the most instructive - in large part because it was a flop.

As an air-raid defence system, SAGE worked well. Unfortunately, by the time it was deployed in 1958, missiles had replaced bombers as the big threat. But SAGE pioneered a new form of collaboration, in which a university (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) worked with the Pentagon during the design and development stage. Like the troublesome Erie Canal in the early 19th century, SAGE was one of technology's big learning experiences.

As chapters of post-war history, the author's three other examples provide a rare insight into industrial planning on a huge scale. His account of the Atlas missile programme is an eye-opener on how efficient the military-industrial complex really was when seriously competent people were in charge. The description of Arpanet, the forerunner of the Internet that the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency backed so that university researchers could easily communicate amongst themselves, explains a lot of what the web-surfers nowadays take for granted. The one purely civilian system Mr Hughes considers, Boston's central artery and tunnel-road project, makes much the same point as his other case histories, and with more or less equal force: no matter how much computational power is assembled or data collected, there is no substitute for managerial genius.

If this excellent book has a fault, it is the over-defensive tone that Mr Hughes adopts towards critics of the systems approach. When, in the 1960s and 1970s, this was applied to social problems such as poverty, healthcare and crime, the results were usually disappointing. Systems enthusiasts woefully underestimated the complexity of human behaviour and the great quantities of computing power needed to model it in any meaningful way. Misuse in the Vietnam war did not help. A reaction set in and ``the systems approach'' became a term of abuse. Yet, in its proper place - an industrial or military context with clear lines of command - systems engineering remains to this day the most powerful tool yet devised for problem-solving on a giant scale. As such, it needs no defence.

from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Sloan School of Management, System Dynamics Group, by Jay W. Forrester, Germeshausen Professor Emeritus and Senior Lecturer, D-4224-4 1991-Apr-29 (download in its entirety, in PDF format with graphics, from ftp://sysdyn.mit.edu/ftp/sdep/papers/D-4224-4.pdf):

System Dynamics and the Lessons of 35 Years
1. INTRODUCTION


The professional field known as system dynamics has been developing for the last 35 years and now has a world-wide and growing membership. System dynamics combines the theory, methods, and philosophy needed to analyze the behavior of systems in not only management, but also in environmental change, politics, economic behavior, medicine, engineering, and other fields. System dynamics provides a common foundation that can be applied wherever we want to understand and influence how things change through time.


The system dynamics process starts from a problem to be solved-a situation that needs to be better understood, or an undesirable behavior that is to be corrected or avoided. The first step is to tap the wealth of information that people possess in their heads. The mental data base is a rich source of information about the parts of a system, about the information available at different points in a system, and about the policies being followed in decision making. The management and social sciences have in the past unduly restricted themselves to measured data and have neglected the far richer and more informative body of information that exists in the knowledge and experience of those in the active, working world.


System dynamics uses concepts drawn from the field of feedback control to organize available information into computer simulation models. A digital computer as a simulator, acting out the roles of the operating people in the real system, reveals the behavioral implications of the system that has been described in the model. The first articles based on this work appeared in the Harvard Business Review (Forrester, 1958). From over three decades in system dynamics modeling have come useful guides for working toward a better understanding of the world around us.


The continued search for better understanding of social and economic systems represents the next great frontier. Frontiers of the past have included creating the written literatures, exploring geographical limits of earth and space, and penetrating mysteries of physical science. Those are no longer frontiers; they have become a part of everyday activity. By contrast, insights into behavior of social systems have not advanced in step with our understanding of the natural world. To quote B. F. Skinner:

"Twenty-five hundred years ago it might have been said that man understood himself as well as any other part of his world... Today he is the thing he understands least. Physics and biology have come a long way, but there has been no comparable development of anything like a science of human behavior... Aristotle could not have understood a page of modern physics or biology, but Socrates and his friends would have little trouble in following most current discussions of human affairs." (Skinner, 1971, p. 3)


The great challenge for the next several decades will be to advance understanding of social systems in the same way that the past century has advanced understanding of the physical world.

2. DESIGNING MANAGERIAL AND SOCIAL SYSTEMS


Everyone speaks of systems: computer systems, air traffic control systems, economic systems, and social systems. But few realize how pervasive are systems, how imbedded in systems we are in everything we do, and how influential are systems in creating most of the puzzling difficulties that confront us.


People deal differently with different kinds of systems. Engineering systems are designed using the most advanced methods of dynamic analysis and computer modeling to anticipate behavior of a system when finally constructed. On the other hand, although political, economic, and managerial systems are far more complex than engineering systems, only intuition and debate have ordinarily been used in building social systems. But, powerful system-design methodologies have evolved over the last 50 years.


In designing an engineering system, say a chemical plant, engineers realize that the dynamic behavior is complicated and that the design can not successfully be based only on rules of thumb and experience. There would be extensive studies of the stability and dynamic behavior of the chemical processes and their control. Computer models would be built to simulate behavior before construction of even a pilot plant. Then, if the plant were of a new type, a small pilot plant would be built to test the processes and their control.


But observe how differently social systems are designed. We change laws, organizational forms, policies, and personnel practices on the basis of impressions and committee meetings, usually without any dynamic analysis adequate to prevent unexpected consequences.


"Designing" social systems or corporations may seem mechanistic or authoritarian. But all governmental laws and regulations, all corporate policies that are established, all computer systems that are installed, and all organization charts that are drawn up constitute partial designs of social systems. Such redesigns are then tested experimentally on the organization as a whole without dynamic modeling of the long-term effects and without first running small-scale pilot experiments. For example, bank deregulation and the wave of corporate mergers in the 1980s constituted major redesigns of our economy with inadequate prior consideration for the results. All systems within which we live have been designed. The shortcomings of those systems result from defective design, just as the shortcomings of a power plant result from inappropriate design.


Consider the contrast between great advances during the last century in understanding technology, and the relative lack of progress in understanding economic and managerial systems. Why such a difference? Why has technology advanced so rapidly while social systems continue to exhibit the same kinds of misbehavior decade after decade? I believe the answer lies in failing to recognize that countries and corporations are indeed systems. There is an unwillingness to accept the idea that families, corporations, and governments belong to the same general class of dynamic structures as do chemical refineries and autopilots for aircraft.


There is a reluctance to accept the idea that physical systems, natural systems, and human systems are fundamentally of the same kind, and that they differ primarily in their degree of complexity. To admit the existence of a social system is to admit that the relationships between its parts have a strong influence over individual human behavior.


The idea of a social system implies sources of behavior beyond that of the individual people within the system. Something about the structure of a system determines what happens beyond just the sum of individual objectives and actions. In other words, the concept of a system implies that people are not entirely free agents but are substantially responsive to their surroundings.


To put the matter even more bluntly, if human systems are indeed systems, it implies that people are at least partly cogs in a social and economic machine, that people play their roles within the totality of the whole system, and that they respond in a significantly predictable way to forces brought to bear on them by other parts of the system. Even though this is contrary to our cherished illusion that people freely make their individual decisions, I suggest that the constraints implied by the existence of systems are true in real life. As an example, we see the dominance of the political system over the individual in the evolution of the Federal budget deficit. Every presidential candidate since 1970 has campaigned with the promise to reduce the federal deficit. But the deficit has on the average doubled every four years. The social forces rather than the president have been controlling the outcome. How to harness those social forces has not been effectively addressed.

[...]

The Club of Rome offers the standard fare - disarmament, population control, fear of unbridled technology, macroeconomic modelling and management, etc. There is much more about the Club of Rome below. But in a fascinating twist, a member of the executive committee - Ilya Prigogine - has written a short paper that is at odds with much of the Club's traditional views - indeed, wonderfully dismissive of a core premise of the entire world government paradigm: the Bilderberger mentality, the Harvard Model, the whole bloody nine yards. Here it is in its entirety (hand-converted from RTF to HTML), from http://www.clubofrome.org/public/prigogi_txt_sat12.rtf:

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In this thread we discuss the Bilderberg bunch and the big picture. Scroll down a few posts and read Kneweyes post on Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars...Do a google search on this for more info.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000572.html

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Here's a bump with the latest...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27814

THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
Bilderberg group meeting
near D.C.
Secretive organization holds powwow in Virginia this weekend

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The secretive Bilderberg group is holding its annual meeting this weekend in a luxury hotel outside Washington, D.C.

In the words of Bilderberg.org, a website dedicated to disclosing information about the organization, "120 or so of the most influential men in Europe and North America" currently are holed up in the Westfields Marriott Hotel in Chantilly, Va. Many view the organization as the world's "power elite," part of a movement to replace national sovereignty with global governance.

Since 1953, the Bilderberg group has convened government, business, academic and journalistic representatives from the U.S., Canada and Europe. The locations and agendas of the conferences are closely guarded secrets.

A BBC World Service radio report earlier this week emphasized the mysterious nature of the group.

"This weekend, in a luxury hotel outside Washington, D.C.," said the announcer, "Europe's secret rulers are meeting their American counterparts – or that's what some people believe. Today is the start of the annual gathering of the Bilderberg group. Never heard of it? That's the whole point. It's officially described as a private gathering, but with a guest list including the heads of European and American corporations, political leaders and a few intellectuals, it's one of the most influential organizations on the planet."

BBC reporter Bill Hayton called the hotel looking for information about the conference. His conversation was broadcast on his report.


"Executive Office"
"My name is Bill Hayton from BBC World Service. I just wanted to check, there's some kind of big event happening at your hotel this weekend. Could you tell me what it is?"

"There's a couple of weddings ..."

"But there's also a big conference going on as well."

"Not that I'm aware of."

"There's nothing being organized by the Bilderberg group then?"

"I'm sorry. Who?"

"The Bilderberg group."

"I don't even know who they are."

The radio report continued by listing several people who were to have attended last year's conference: the chairmen of ABB, France Telecom, ENI and Deutsche Bank, plus several European commissioners, central bankers, newspaper editors, the secretary-general of NATO and the queens of Spain and the Netherlands.

British journalist Jon Ronson, who is the author of a book on Bilderberg, was quoted in the BBC report.

"I'm a sort of semi-conspiracy theorist when it comes to Bilderberg," he said, "because I think they wouldn't go to that much trouble of having this incredibly expensive international conference every year and they'd go to all this trouble to keep themselves out of the press and be really secret and invite the world's most powerful people if it was just a chat and a game of golf, which is basically what they say it is. So I do think they have some impact on world affairs, but I don't think they have as much of an impact."

Said Tony Gosling in a statement on the Bilderberg.org website, "Security is very tight (at the hotel) with FBI Secret Service and White House security staff, all paid from taxpayers' money, on duty around the perimeter of this so-called 'private' meeting. This year, for the first time, all security have coded symbols on their lapels to distinguish who they work for."

"Hotel staff are always sworn to secrecy at these events, but some still feel the world has a right to know what is going on behind the cordon. They risk their jobs, and possibly more, by telling those outside who is inside the hotel and what they're talking about," Gosling said.

According to the website, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will attend the conference today and is expected to give a presentation to the "power brokers" in attendance.

Global banker David Rockefeller has been spotted by hotel staff, claims the website, as have Henry Kissinger and several others.

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thanks FLKooK.

I am afraid that this meeting of the infamous bilderbergers marks the start of a new phase and era of control and dictation. It is my belief that their meetings are of an "operational" nature, and that we are about to enter the next step of their ultimate plan. Unfortunately, I believe things have occured and are going exactly as they had anticipated.

The general populous is oblvious to the technologies of man. They are oblvious to the violations applied by these technologies. The surveillance, the manipulation, the apparent concerted organization of these technologies that could only be used to control the masses.

From here on out we WILL witness the subtle removal of social programs around the world. Shortly after they will begin to control all firearms and munitions. This will be the first active stage of "martial law".

Those of us here now, that already realize this, are far and few between. However, upon removal of social programs and introduction of anti-weapon mandates, there will be a general acclimation to what is really going on. It is at this point that they will apply their psychotronic devices in full force. covert control.

Police will become more involved in dictating our actions, rather then protecting and serving our well being and rights. Crimes against man will not be policed, but will be encouraged through neglegence. The wars of attrition aren't governent against government. The war of attrition is "them" verse "us", and "they" are holding all the cards.

Oh but if Hitler were still alive today, Oh how he would be SO PROUD of the Bilderbergers. -








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posted 04-19-2003 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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