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herbivore
Along for the ride
New Mexico
105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 05-21-2002 12:35 AM
  
The following is a message found at SmirkingChimp.com, which directs readers to 2 polls regarding investigation of what was known beforehand of the tragedies of 9/11:
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=7125&forum=4 The recent revelations about Bush knowing before 9-11, are not an indication to sit down and let the experts do it. Bush/Cheney saw how 9-11 solidified their base of support, and they may be frightened and arrogant enough to think it will work again. Time is critical to push this forward, as many of you know, the U.S. media and Congress are continuing to ignore very damning 9-11 evidence, even as their inquiry dramatically expanded this week. i.e.
- U.S. spy, Mike Vreland, who warned the Canadian Govt. of the 9-11 attacks on NYC and DC "prior to 9-11." STILL NOT CALLED by Congress or interviewed in US Press! - Deputy FBI Director in charge of Mid-East Terrorist Investigations, John O'Neill, quit prior to 9-11 over frustration the Bush Admin. was blocking his investigations into Bin Laden and Saudi terrorists due to U.S. oil interests. O’Neill is STILL UNMENTIONED!
- The Bush Admin.s pre-9-11 threats to the Taliban to "bury them in a carpet of bombs" if they backed out of the Unocal oil deal. AGAIN, STILL UNMENTIONED!
Below are 3 Action Items. #1 are 2 polls you can respond to. #2 the Message to get out to Media and Govt (even though you may have contacted them with other messages before, GET THIS TO THEM. After the flurry of recent 9-11 media many have new eyes and new ears to see and hear with on this. #3 the comprehensive email/fax contact lists to send The Message to. This has many new additions including the entire new Scottish Parliament. ALL WORLD CITIZENS should contact them. The Scottish Royal Marines have been used, and they should know about it.
Before proceeding with the Action Message to email out (email lists below), following are 2 polls you need to urge everyone you know to vote on.
#1 POLLS:
Time Magazine, "Could 9-11 have been prevented?"
See "Quick Vote" in left hand column.
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020527/safe.html TruthOut.org, "Should the Bush Admin. be investigated on 9-11 events?" http://truthout.org/poll/911Probe.htm# THE MESSAGE TO GET OUT:
Subject Line: 9-11 inquiries MUST become an international inquiry! #2 Message Body:
Even with the recent dramatic revelations in U.S. media and Congress of Bush knowing of 9-11 strikes before 9-11, U.S. govt. and media are ignoring the mountain of much more disturbing evidence that points to likely complicity by the Bush Admin. and elements of the CIA. Dan Rather, of CBS News, recently lamented he'd been guilty of participating in censored media, and unfortunately this is continuing in both media and government in the U.S. The entire world has been pulled into a war effort to support power grabs for oil and political influence and domination worldwide, including Africa, Latin America, Asia, and to solidify unquestioned support and the use of European governments and troops.
It is time for a full blown international inquiry into the events around 9-11 and possible collusion by the Bush Administration and elements of the CIA and perhaps elements of the FBI.
We urge you to demand full inquiry into the 9-11 events and the Bush Administration and U.S. oil company interests that were allegedly involved in manipulating U.S. foriegn policy for personal gain, as well as military industrial connections such as the Bush and Bin Laden families mutual interests in the Carlyle Group. Please take the time to view the below video and text links to a mountain of damning information regarding the above allegations, and share them with as many others as you can: CANADIAN TELEVISION SERIES - Vision TV, Bush / CIA Complicity in 9-11, Real Player Video Stream at:
Here BBC TELEVISION INDICTS BUSH / CIA IN 9-11 TERROR COMPLICITY:
Here.
ABC NEWS NIGHTLINE EXPOSES BUSH/OIL COMPANIES ‘HIDDEN AGENDA’ FOR INVADING AFGHANISTAN. Visit below link, then click on left column sidebar that says
“NEWS CLIPS DSL” and look down to find a Part 1 and Part 2 for NIGHTLINE NEWS CLIP.
ABC News Story on Afgan pipeline!
Here.
140 PAGE REPORT ON ALL ASPECTS OF 9-11, AND ALLEGED CONSPIRACY BY BUSH AND ELEMENTS OF THE CIA IN THOSE TERRORIST STRIKES:
Here.
PS: The major bad guy on 'Enemy of the State' was listed as being born on "9/11"!!! Freaky...
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-21-2002 08:27 AM
Due to the overwhelming, play it as they go, powers now given to the authorities via the infamous PATRIOT ACT concerning anti-Americanism, does participating in such polls categorize oneself as a potential problem or threat? Think they're logging this poll info away for future use? They don't really monitor our computers and the use thereof, do they?
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herbivore
Along for the ride
New Mexico
105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 05-21-2002 09:17 AM
Shall we just pack it in and decide we like the taste of jackboot? I hear it is a lot like chicken. These guys got you pretty cheaply. Don't you think they ought to expend a little effort to cow you into silence?
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-21-2002 10:51 AM
"Shall we just pack it in and decide we like the taste of jackboot?"
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Having not had the pleasure of a "jackboot" sandwich, I cannot comment on it's taste."I hear it is a lot like chicken."
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Most things are if you cook them just right. I prefer Jackalope or Antelabbit myself. "These guys got you pretty cheaply."
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Naw, they pay dearly for my services.
"Don't you think they ought to expend a little effort to cow you into silence?"
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Isn't that what they are doing? All kidding aside, IMO, simply participating in these very forums is casting your vote in one way or another. This virtual free speech medium is everyone's balloting booth full of all you can imagine to cast your vote on. Keep typing. No one's watching keystrokes.
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herbivore
Along for the ride
New Mexico
105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 05-21-2002 12:01 PM
Gee, P911, don't let me rain on your paranoia parade. Have a look at this article, and see if it doesn't rekindle that frozen flame of fear in your heart!It's about the years-long road to the Patriot Act which nobody had time to read when it came to its passage last fall. It's purpose, according to the article, is to make you and your activities (keystrokes and all!) beyond protection by the Constitution. It has been in the works since the Reagan administration.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/05.21B.jvb.usapa.911.p.htm
The USA PATRIOT Act Was Planned Before 9/11
by Jennifer Van Bergen
t r u t h o u t | 20 May, 2002 Many people do not know that the USA PATRIOT Act was already written and ready to go long before September 11th. Recent criticism of Bush's admission that he had received warnings only weeks before September 11th has made it more important to understand the origins of the USAPA. ...Whether the Administration could have anticipated 9/11 or not, the proponents of the USAPA were waiting to go long before that day. Similar antiterrorism legislation was enacted in the 1996 Antiterrorism Act, which however did little to prevent the events of 9/11, and many provisions had either been declared unconstitutional or were about to be repealed when 9/11 occurred. James X. Dempsey and David Cole state in their book, "Terrorism & the Constitution: Sacrificing Civil Liberties in the Name of National Security," that the most troubling provisions of the pre-USAPA anti-terrorism laws, enacted in 1996 and expanded now by the USAPA, "were developed long before the bombings that triggered their final enactment." ...A good example of the kind of change brought about under the USAPA, which illustrates the underlying and pre-existing agenda of its proponents, is section 218, which amends a single phrase in the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). ...[This modification] means the FBI, the CIA, or any other intelligence agency, can surveil you without probable cause, as long as they say the surveillance has something to do with a foreign intelligence investigation of some sort (which may otherwise not even involve you directly). ...[T]he proponents of [the provisions of the Patriot Act] know it is an end-run around the Fourth Amendment. They have had many years to think about it and have repeatedly shown their willingness to enact carefully crafted, unconstitutional laws. They know the amendment allows intelligence to conduct criminal investigations on American citizens without adherence to basic constitutional protections. Furthermore, under the information sharing provision of section 203 of the USAPA, information gathered in this way can now be shared with other intelligence and law enforcement agencies, for whatever uses they want. Most significantly, it is clear that the events of 9/11 gave the proponents of this amendment the opportunity they needed to slip it by Congress. **********************************
So you see, dear P911, you are right. They are making the effort to keep tabs on some of us, we are that important to them.
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-21-2002 12:32 PM
Sorry herb,
But I'm not one to type a whole lot anymore, so I'll try to keep my comments short. I was merely raising questions for others to consider with my first post in this thread. They were just thoughts. I didn't expect to be SLAMMED outright by someone who knows nothing about me other than what I might portray of myself on this internet. If I was "cowed" into silence by them(?) as you claim to know of me, I wouldn't be a member within this very forum! I also draw the line at your labeling of me as paranoid. _________________(line)_____________________ You know not of what you speak when it comes to me personally unless you have powers far beyond those of mortal men. I'm thinking, not. No, you're not raining on anything here, other than maybe your own reputation.
 PEACE Hopefully, "they" find me as insignificant as my questions regarding persistent aircraft trails. I hope they haven't seen this!
http://mochemtrails.topcities.com/ct0r.html
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herbivore
Along for the ride
New Mexico
105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 05-21-2002 01:59 PM
If you take that as a slam, P, personal or otherwise, I suggest you adjust the appropriate gauge. As for reputation, that does sound paranoid. The point actually was, and remains, the article about the history of the Patriot Act.
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PHANTOM911
Senior Member
341 posts, Oct 2001
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posted 05-21-2002 02:50 PM
herbivore,
Let's get this much straight. It's not P911, nor P. It's PHANTOM911.
If you will note, my first post was not even directed to YOU. It was merely a rhetorical question provoking statement. What's with you?
And yes, I consider your use of the phrase "your paranoia parade" directed at me as a SLAM. And again you're pinning your label on me. The phrase I used, "No, you're not raining on anything here, other than maybe your own reputation." The here inferred is here with me. I wasn't inferring to any reputation you might have with others. Just myself. I've never seen this in your posts before, these tactics anyway. Steering clear of you might serve me best. Regards. It wasn't me who spit in your oatmeal this morning. Who did?
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herbivore
Along for the ride
New Mexico
105 posts, Jan 2002
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posted 05-21-2002 06:00 PM
Good god! If you spit in my oatmeal, I would have to call the real 911! 
Just so this thread isn't completely thrown off, the Time.com poll results are currently running 53.2% "Yes," the Sept 11 attacks could have been prevented to 46.8% "No," they couldn't have been, with a total number of votes at 211,355.
At least Time hasn't yanked its poll like the Atlanta Journal Constitution did last month with the question, "Are you satisfied the Bush administration had no advance warning of the Sept. 11 attacks?" It went up on the 14th and came down on the 15th when it became clear that more than a few loose (not lone!) nuts thought Representative Cynthia McKinney had a legitimate point in asking for an investigation. The Truthout poll is running at a spectacular 6822 to 89 in favor of an investigation into foreknowledge of the 911 attacks.
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