posted 06-14-2002 04:18 PM            

that is the THIRD time you have responded with an 'ad hominem' by:

(ridiculing the data without any substance or reason noted,
not considering the relativity or correlation,
attempting to make this an intellectual contest)

posted 06-14-2002 04:30 PM               

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Just curious when the last time you dissected a cow was? You seem to be somewhat of a self proclaimed expert.

Perhaps you could tell me exactly how and where they get cordrazine, cortropinex, formazine, and hyronalix from cows, but not humans?

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Obviously from her post she is a vegetarian. I doubt she is doing any cow dissections. That work is usually reserved for who ever is doing the mutilations.

posted 06-14-2002 04:35 PM               

by Valdamar Valerian (c) 1992

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Human scientists are involved with longevity studies using adrenalyn. They have developed altered adrenlyn, and drugs called cordrazine, cortropinex, formazine, and hyronalix. All of them have an adrenalyn base. The only way to get the large quantitites of adrenalyn is to get them from cattle. Some of the substances they develop affect psychic development. Other drugs have physical restoration properties. Aliens use cattle for the biological materials as well. They use the materials in their breeding program and for the construction of cloned individuals.

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posted 06-14-2002 05:25 PM               

Formazine http://www.photometer.com/en/abc/abc_045.htm

I also looked up formazin and found some data on it, but can't make too much sense out of it. Whatever it is, formazin is approved by the USEPA and seems to be associated with something called Stablcal.
http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:mQfZbchtRJ0C:w ww.epa.gov/safewater/openc/meth_hach_10133.pdf+Stablcal+msds+sheet&hl=en

posted 06-14-2002 05:31 PM               

>> formazin

posted 06-14-2002 06:37 PM               

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It's actually interesting that Greer mentioned "Space holographic deception
technologies" because quite a few of the witnesses who observed the Hudson Valley UFO's stated that they did not accellerate off at a high rate of speed but rather folded up upon themselves and became a white line that compressed down into a dot that faded out kind of like the picture on those old television sets when you turned them off.

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That's quite a mental picture Dan!

posted 06-14-2002 10:09 PM            

would a slaughter house not be a better place to harvest these chemicals ?

as far as I'm concerned there is enough evidence to support the opinion that cattle mutilations, are a covert operation to sample and monitor radiation exposure from all the nuke tests...considering that *soft* tissues are what's being extracted, if you take a projected fallout map and overlay the reports of mutilations from over the years, the two maps are very close...both of which are posted here somewhere already...

my 2 cents

posted 06-14-2002 11:10 PM            

But they are still extracting something, soft tissue you say, by this unorthodox method. I would assume they have a more efficient way of measuring radiation exposure. This to could be done in the slaughter house, and compared with prolonged levels of radiation in certain regions. Plus with optoelectonic devices any biological entity can be remotely monitored, including x-ray and all vital signs. Why do they have to mutilate the cow?

Perhaps it is done to instill fear of unknown mutilation. But then why the removal/extraction of tissue as well?

Perhaps mssvw123 had a significant point, perhaps not only are they removing part of the cow, they could possibly be adding alien elements as well. But then what significance is this, because at this point the cow is mutilated hence dead.

I still think they use the cows adrenalin for the previous purposes noted, but i believe you are right about this not being the exclusive reason for the mutilations...

posted 06-15-2002 12:06 AM               

National Institute for Discovery Science

posted 06-15-2002 12:23 AM            

Still have much more to read.....

posted 06-15-2002 12:48 AM            

here's some recent mutilation info from Linda Moulton Howe :
http://www.earthfiles.com/earth347.htm

posted 06-15-2002 04:31 PM               

Cattle Mutilations

(8). Cattle Mutilations and HIVs. A member of the family Bovidae domesticated Bos Taurus (plural cattle), usually a top grade animal, is in good health one day, and dead the next. It is found that body parts were taken from regions not good to eat, by means of laser-like very sharp cuts. The animal’s blood is not present, and there is little or no blood on the animal or ground. There are no tracks of any kind, predators, humans or vehicles, even with very soft ground. Sometimes animals have injuries or are found in conditions consistent with being dropped from a height. Large animals have been found in trees (9). It is not uncommon for UFO sightings to be reported in the general vicinity. These phenomena have been reported throughout the world, and widely investigated in America. There is no doubt that such “cattle mutes” occur. They are valid widespread phenomena and are also not just extremely isolated, very uncommon events.

The politically correct explanation, in America supplied by the county agent to angry, baffled cattlemen, is “animal predators, probably coyotes.” In reply one cattleman said, “If the coyotes can do this then we are in deep trouble.” In addition to animal predators it has been suggested that a cult, or the military, is responsible. The authorities publicly maintain the politically correct animal predator explanation, but due to investigations by their civilian and military assets know otherwise (9).

Animal predators are excluded for several reasons. There is the absence of predator tracks, the absence of animal blood, and the laser-like cuts. The mutilations are of meat not good to eat. The meat good to eat is left to rot. It is reported predators will not eat cattle mutes, nor will rendering facilities accept them (9).

The bizarre nature and circumstances of cattle mutes resulted in the concept that a cult was responsible. However this explanation is easily refuted. No cult is nearly large enough to create these widespread cattle mute phenomena. And even if they could, why would they? Without anyone ever hearing anything from them? No cult has ever claimed responsibility for even one cattle mute.

Although in theory the military is possibly large enough, and could lift cattle into helicopters, mutilate, and then drop them, why would they operate like this-? If desired cattle could be bought openly and mutilated/disposed of in secret.

It has been suggested that cattle at specific locations downwind from nuclear power plants were sampled for radioactivity. However many cattle mutes occur very distant from nuclear plants. And some occur in countries without nuclear energy. The body areas sampled do not include testing for the common isotopes of concern, such as I-131 (thyroid) or Sr-90 (bone).

Therefore the above proposed explanations for cattle mutes all fail. Evidently predators, cults, and the military are not responsible.

The key to understanding cattle mutilation phenomena is found in the fact I discovered that mutilations occur at body sites corresponding to HIV transmission sites in humans (except for the piece of skin and one ear). The genitals, anus, udder, part of the mouth/jaw, a piece of skin, one eye, and one ear, usually the left, is commonly taken. Cattle mutes can be readily and logically explained as samplings of body materials from regions corresponding to HIV transmission in humans. Much has been made for example of the ubiquitous incomprehensible anal coring. Of course this body region is an important route of human HIV transmission (4).

I suggest the ear is taken because it contained the necessary locator implant (13). The skin is taken perhaps to study the possibility of HIV transmission via viral shedding from this route.

Possibly the cattle blood is taken because cattle blood is genetically closer to human blood than the blood of any other animal. It might be that cattle blood is harvested in relation to HIV antibodies. We employ large animals for the purpose of antibody production; one example is the use of horses to produce tetanus antitoxin.

The following recent scientific investigation of a cattle mute is informative.

A N. E. Utah pregnant cow mutilation case in good condition was thoroughly investigated by Ph.D. and Ph.D./D.V.M. personnel from the well funded National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS) headquartered in Las Vegas Nevada USA. NIDS had a complete professional necropsy made with proper samples taken for detailed laboratory analysis. The usual mutilation and blood findings were present; the left ear was missing. At autopsy the heart was found to be “the consistency of pudding” inside an intact pericardial membrane. In addition to more usual findings there was also a mysterious light blue biocidal gel not seen before by any of the investigators. This gel was found on cut body surfaces and “at the animal’s rear.” A similar appearing blue biocidal gel was personally seen many years earlier and reported on in writing by USAF Col. Philip Corso deceased. Evidently its use was to preserve a dead grey ET alien, who Corso saw immersed in it (10).

NIDS photographed and analyzed the blue gel. It contained (volatile) formaldehyde at low concentration and was evidently a biocidal agent. Why was a biocidal agent employed under these circumstances? To protect against surface infection from what? One possibility is that the gel was employed to protect the unborn near term calf against infection through the birth canal. The cow’s former pregnancy was confirmed by two independent lab tests. The uterus was intact but empty, the calf was not found; there were no signs whatsoever of predators, or of it. Probably the calf was abducted.

Lab tests of the cow revealed a very abnormally low level of liver vitamin A and copper, and an imbalance in the extracellular sodium/potassium ratio favoring potassium. These results were published well before my studies reporting the same physiologic abnormalities in human abductees, believed related to the implant’s anti- vitamin A action. The evidence indicating the same biochemical abnormalities are found in humans as were found in this cattle mute (11), and also that the abnormalities in humans are due to the implant, also suggests such an implant was present in the cow before mutilation.

Both common and uncommon cattle pathogens were tested for with negative test results. Although I repeatedly urged NIDS to also determine cattle mute sample HIV test status, and offered to pay for the testing, no such test results were ever reported.

In its final, detailed report NIDS stated the animal’s death “may not have been due to natural causes” (12).

The facts of HIV/AIDS and cattle mutes become logically and simply explainable only by the concept that ET phenomena are involved.
http://www.stardocs.hit.bg/cattle_mutilations.htm

One Tecate with lime coming up for T/S.

posted 06-16-2002 02:34 AM            

http://www.stardocs.hit.bg/bluebookproject.htm

Air Force Secretary Robert C. Seamans, Jr., who stated: "The continuation of Project Blue Book cannot be justified either on the ground of national security or in the interest of science."

no where does it say UFO's do not exist...just are not a security risk...

thanx for the beer krissa

posted 06-16-2002 04:13 PM            

Magnetic Field Disruptor

The same device used on the TR-3B to reduce the crafts weight by 90%. This is the only possible explanation I can think of as far as being able to mutilate and move the cattle without heavy machinery. The MFD (magnetic field disruptor) could be applied to the cow, reducing it's weight substantially, and pulling it up to the craft, at which point optics are used to remove the desired tissues. Once this is done the cow is released, mutilated and dead, and falls back to earth where it will lay until discovered.

posted 06-16-2002 05:42 PM               

It would make sense that they would have that kind of technology and would use it for that purpose. I was reading about some of the earlier cases that the cattle were marked with some kind of material that showed up in ultraviolet light. - I also heard a report from a remote viewer a little while ago that pretty much said the same thing as you just did and that the craft, whatever it was, was remotely controlled and not a manned vehicle though I didn't really think about it too much until now.