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Sore Throat
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posted 08-23-2002 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat   Email Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't for a minute think those those of us who seek the truth about, and question the legality of, the ChemTrails filling our skies and the air we must breathe, are not considered an enemy of the state...and therefore subject to the obscene intrusions on personal liberties permitted by the recently passed "Patriot Act".

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Ashcroft -- above the law?

San Francisco Chronicle
Friday, August 23, 2002

THE CHAIR of a congressional committee should not be forced to issue a subpoena to get the U.S. attorney general to respond to basic questions about the administration of justice in this country.

And Americans who worry about civil liberties should not have to file a lawsuit to determine whether their government is scanning library records or monitoring the e-mail of people who are not suspected of any crime.

But the Justice Department appears unwilling to subject itself to even the most rudimentary levels of accountability over the way it has handled the vast new powers it acquired under the so-called Patriot Act last year.

Extraordinary arrogance calls for extraordinary steps.

So, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., the House Judiciary Committee chair, has threatened to subpoena Attorney General John Ashcroft if he continues to resist requests for the administration to disclose how often it has used its new investigative powers.

"I've never signed a subpoena in my 5 1/2 years as chairman," Sensenbrenner told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "I guess there's a first time for everything."

It is important to note that Sensenbrenner is not asking for specifics that could endanger an investigation. He merely wants to know whether the government is using this powers. It is not only a reasonable request in an democracy. It is an essential one.

The American Civil Liberties Union, along with the Electronic Privacy Information Center and the American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression,

added their weight to the pressure on Ashcroft this week by filing a Freedom of Information request.

The groups are asking the Justice Department how many times it has:

-- Traced the telephone calls or e-mails of people who are not suspected of any crime.

-- Directed a library, bookstore or newspaper to produce information about materials acquired by an individual.

-- Conducted "sneak and peek" searches in which the targets were not informed until after the fact.

-- Investigated U.S. citizens and other legal residents on the basis of "activities protected by the First Amendment," such as attending a rally or writing a letter to the editor.

As Chris Finan, president of the American Booksellers group, said, "When the FBI is given the power to investigate what people are reading, the American people deserve to know how that power is being used."

And Americans should not have to go to court to get an answer.

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And if you had any doubt that the Bush administration, that "selected" executive body of government, would abuse these powers, please read:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51220-2002Aug22.html

Secret Court Rebuffs Ashcroft
Justice Dept. Chided On Misinformation

By Dan Eggen and Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, August 23, 2002; Page A01

The secretive federal court that approves spying on terror suspects in the United States has refused to give the Justice Department broad new powers, saying the government had misused the law and misled the court dozens of times, according to an extraordinary legal ruling released yesterday.

A May 17 opinion by the court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) alleges that Justice Department and FBI officials supplied erroneous information to the court in more than 75 applications for search warrants and wiretaps, including one signed by then-FBI Director Louis J. Freeh.

Authorities also improperly shared intelligence information with agents and prosecutors handling criminal cases in New York on at least four occasions, the judges said.

The department discovered the misrepresentations and reported them to the FISA court beginning in 2000.

Given such problems, the court found that new procedures proposed by Attorney General John D. Ashcroft in March would have given prosecutors too much control over counterintelligence investigations and would have effectively allowed the government to misuse intelligence information for criminal cases, according to the ruling.

The dispute between the Justice Department and the FISA court, which has raged behind closed doors until yesterday, strikes at the heart of Ashcroft's attempts since Sept. 11 to allow investigators in terrorism and espionage to share more information with criminal investigators.

Generally, the Justice Department must seek the FISA court's permission to give prosecutors of criminal cases any information gathered by the FBI in an intelligence investigation. Ashcroft had proposed that criminal-case prosecutors be given routine access to such intelligence information, and that they be allowed to direct intelligence investigations as well as criminal investigations.

The FISA court agreed with other proposed rule changes. But Ashcroft filed an appeal yesterday over the rejected procedures that would constitute the first formal challenge to the FISA court in its 23-year history, officials said.

"We believe the court's action unnecessarily narrowed the Patriot Act and limited our ability to fully utilize the authority Congress gave us," the Justice Department said in a statement.

The documents released yesterday also provide a rare glimpse into the workings of the almost entirely secret FISA court, composed of a rotating panel of federal judges from around the United States and, until yesterday, had never jointly approved the release of one of its opinions. Ironically, the Justice Department itself had opposed the release.

Stewart Baker, former general counsel of the National Security Agency, called the opinion a "a public rebuke.

"The message is you need better quality control," Baker said. "The judges want to ensure they have information they can rely on implicitly."

A senior Justice Department official said that the FISA court has not curtailed any investigations that involved misrepresented or erroneous information, nor has any court suppressed evidence in any related criminal case. He said that many of the misrepresentations were simply repetitions of earlier errors, because wiretap warrants must be renewed every 90 days. The FISA court approves about 1,000 warrants a year.

Enacted in the wake of the domestic spying scandals of the Nixon era, the FISA statute created a secret process and secret court to review requests to wiretap phones and conduct searches aimed at spies, terrorists and other U.S. enemies.

FISA warrants have been primarily aimed at intelligence-gathering rather than investigating crimes. But Bush administration officials and many leading lawmakers have complained since Sept. 11 that such limits hampered the ability of officials to investigate suspected terrorists, including alleged hijacking conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui.

The law requires agents to be able to show probable cause that the subject of the search is an agent of a foreign government or terrorist group, and authorizes strict limits on distribution of information because the standards for obtaining FISA warrants are much lower than for traditional criminal warrants.

In Moussaoui's case, the FBI did not seek an FISA warrant to search his laptop computer and other belongings in the weeks prior to the Sept. 11 attacks because some officials believed that they could not adequately show the court Moussaoui's connection to a foreign terrorist group.

The USA Patriot Act, a set of anti-terrorism measures passed last fall, softened the standards for obtaining intelligence warrants, requiring that foreign intelligence be a significant, rather than primary, purpose of the investigation. The FISA court said in its ruling that the new law was not relevant to its decision.

Despite its rebuke, the court left the door open for a possible solution, noting that its decision was based on the existing FISA statute and that lawmakers were free to update the law if they wished.

Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee have indicated their willingness to enact such reforms but have complained about resistance from Ashcroft. Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) said yesterday's release was a "ray of sunshine" compared to a "lack of cooperation" from the Bush administration.

Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), another committee member, said the legal opinion will "help us determine what's wrong with the FISA process, including what went wrong in the Zacarias Moussaoui case. The stakes couldn't be higher for our national security at home and abroad."

The ruling, signed by the court's previous chief, U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth, was released by the new presiding judge, U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly.

FBI and Justice Department officials have said that the fear of being rejected by the FISA court, complicated by disputes such as those revealed yesterday, has at times caused both FBI and Justice officials to take a cautious approach to intelligence warrants.

Until the current dispute, the FISA court had approved all but one application sought by the government since the court's inception. Civil libertarians claim that record shows that the court is a rubber stamp for the government; proponents of stronger law enforcement say the record reveals a timid bureaucracy only willing to seek warrants on sure winners.

The opinion itself -- and the court's unprecedented decision to release it -- suggest that relations between the court and officials at the Justice Department and the FBI have frayed badly.

FISA applications are voluminous documents, containing boilerplate language as well as details specific to each circumstance. The judges did not say the misrepresentations were intended to mislead the court, but said that in addition to erroneous statements, important facts have been omitted from some FISA applications.

In one case, the FISA judges were so angered by inaccuracies in affidavits submitted by FBI agent Michael Resnick that they barred him from ever appearing before the court, according to the ruling and government sources.

Referring to "the troubling number of inaccurate FBI affidavits in so many FISA applications," the court said in its opinion: "In virtually every instance, the government's misstatements and omissions in FISA applications and violations of the Court's orders involved information sharing and unauthorized disseminations to criminal investigators and prosecutors."

The judges were also clearly perturbed at a lack of answers about the problems from the Justice Department, which is still conducting an internal investigation into the lapses.

"How these misrepresentations occurred remains unexplained to the court," the opinion said.


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LWR
Cognitive Dissonance

Menlo Park, Ca, USA
224 posts, Apr 2001

posted 08-23-2002 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LWR     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Friday, Aug. 23, 2002
Reno and Freeh's Wiretap Fiasco

The media were squawking aplenty today about a court's revelation that the FBI botched more than 75 cases in seeking espionage and terrorism warrants. But they conveniently buried this fun fact: The blunders happened during the Clinton administration, under the non-watch of the bumbling Janet Reno.

That tidbit appeared in paragraph eight of an Associated Press story today and in paragraph 10 of a 12-paragraph article by the New York Times.

"The missteps included former FBI Director Louis Freeh's erroneous statement to judges that the target of a wiretap request wasn't also under criminal investigation," AP noted.

Both stories mentioned Attorney General John Ashcroft, but neither dared to utter the name of Reno, described by Fox News Channel star Bill O'Reilly as the worst attorney general in modern history.

She, of course, is hoping to unseat Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. Big Media would love to see that happen, so why point out her failures at Justice?

DOJ Appeals

At any rate, DOJ today appealed the ruling of the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which ordered an alteration in new guidelines for the FBI's terrorism searches.

"The Patriot Act changed the surveillance law to permit its use when collecting information about foreign spies or terrorists is 'a significant purpose,' rather than 'the purpose' of an investigation," AP said.

Under the act, Ashcroft says, federal lawyers may share information and monitor people when law enforcement is the primary interest. Government lawyers need only show there is a significant foreign intelligence purpose, he argues.
Newsmax


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herbivore
Along for the ride


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105 posts, Jan 2002

posted 08-23-2002 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for herbivore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You think that we are considered Enemy Combatants, Sore Throat? We don't even know who the CTers spraying above what used to be the fruited plain are. True, whoever is doing it obviously has the blessings of the military and civil agencies. But given the govt's refusal to acknowledge CTs, their frequency, patterns, contents and effects, how could anyone claim we are helping enemies of the state?

We aren't helping terrorists by discussing what appears to be a terror campaign in our own skies. To the contrary. If officials come forward and acknowledge spraying, making an airtight case about how CTs are good for America, then maybe we might be considered out of line.

No one can say that questioning and refuting pathetically lame references to contrails puts one on the level of Enemy Combatant. It is our duty to point out evil doings in our Homeland skies.

We pledge our allegience to the United States of America, NOT to any political regime, elected or otherwise.

It would stand patriotism on its head to accuse anyone of helping enemies by having discussions of an apparent conspiracy to undermine the American way of life. We discuss harms, threats and concerns here. Patriotism requires that we do this.

If you are saying that any excuse will do in order to secretly drag someone off in the middle of the night to a detention camp, then it doesn't matter what we do. No one is going to come and liberate concentration camp inmates languishing in Oregon, Kansas, Michigan or New Jersey. If America is gone, it is over for good. So it is up to us to keep it alive. No matter who the enemy of the state is.




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Sore Throat
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posted 08-24-2002 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat   Email Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No disagreement from me herbivore.

And I'm not saying I like it.

But to quote the father of the shrub,

"Watch and Learn".

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herbivore
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105 posts, Jan 2002

posted 08-24-2002 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for herbivore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Watch and learn, indeed. Ted Rall made an interesting remark Thursday that Baby B's "first decisive victory has been in his jihad against the English language...." http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=%2F020822%2F7%2F23ayg.ht ml
Given the Orwellian turn of events, as well as phraseology, no doubt the efforts of sincere citizens could be slated for the same treatment.

BTW, Sore Throat. I was editing the above while you were posting your response.

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Ellyn
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728 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-24-2002 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.rense.com/general28/asah.htm


Ashcroft Has Become A
Constitutional Menace
By Jonathan Turley
8-22-2

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Thermit
Tech


Houston, TX
2621 posts, Jul 2000

posted 08-24-2002 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Email Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See how Uncle Sam feels about Ashcroft in one of these posters from the 'Ministry of Homeland Security'...

http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/PhotoAlbum1.html

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Alpha-Theta
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posted 08-24-2002 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alpha-Theta   Visit Alpha-Theta's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Priceless. I saved all of them. ( for personal use of course )

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Thermit
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posted 08-24-2002 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thermit   Email Thermit   Visit Thermit's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Sore Throat
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posted 08-25-2002 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sore Throat   Email Sore Throat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Resistance to terrorism begins with an idea and inspiration.

We must fight to preserve the liberties granted by our Constitution...

...those same liberties preserved and protected, at great cost, by generations of Americans before us.


http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/PhotoAlbum1.html

Hint: run slide show to see each poster larger, one by one.

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Ellyn
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posted 08-25-2002 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ellyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.rense.com/general28/heil.htm


Heil Bush!
Heil Attorney-Gauleiter Ashcroft!

By Richard Sauder, PhD
8-25-2

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