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Topic:   Smallpox? From who? For What? Why?

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Mech
Dont sacrifice liberty for security


Northeast USA
4921 posts, Sep 2002

posted 12-21-2002 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Mech
Dont sacrifice liberty for security


Northeast USA
4921 posts, Sep 2002

posted 12-21-2002 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I marvel at your inability to read. You seem to remember aspects of an article only when it suits your agenda.

Bush "took the vaccine" ? I don't know if that's true. For all we know it could have been sugar water or brine.

Who cares

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emfx13
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Hayward Ca.U.S.A.
731 posts, May 2002

posted 12-22-2002 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emfx13   Email emfx13   Visit emfx13's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The argument so far is BS,the fact is that smallpox is a threat.How do we know in advance about the possibility of a smallpox attack?We did'nt have a clue about 9/11,or any other act of terrorism?What happened to anthrax?"It's a inside job people",the anthrax was'nt virulent enough so now it's Small pox they are switching to.Bush was first in line for cipro and now he's first in line for the smallpox vaccine.

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3403 posts, Jul 2000

posted 12-23-2002 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it's all on page 2 emfx...read it again when you come down a bit...being prepared is the semi "new" thinking...a good idea...I assure you no one will have to take the smallpox vaccine unless some al-queer-da fundi-muslim-radical-towel head-nutcase opens up a canister of aerosolized smallpox...in some mall or subway...but if they do...I guarrantee ya people will be...dying to take it...

images of people infected with smallpox :

those are the one's I could stomach posting....

link for pic's :

http://allsouthwest.com/library/disease/Small%20Pox/smallpox%20images/


some links about the bioterrorism aspect :

http://www.bact.wisc.edu:81/ScienceEd/discuss/msgReader$46

http://www.state.sd.us/homeland/bio/smallpox.htm

http://www.disastercenter.com/terror/0_Small_Pox.htm

http://www.legalconsumerguide.com/world_trade_center/anthrax/smallpox_faq.html

how the vaccine works :

The practice of vaccination caught on quickly and by 1800 most of Europe had the technique in hand. It is generally noted in the historical texts that Jenner did not discover vaccinations, but rather, was the first to use the science of vaccination to attempt to control an infectious illness. (Barquet and Domingo, 1997) His diligent work brought him recognition around the world and the global fight against smallpox took hold. Modern vaccines against smallpox do not use cowpox as the antigen. They use a third poxvirus, vaccinia, which is related to cowpox and smallpox, yet is a distinct species (Ellner, 1998). This vaccine works as others do, by stimulating the body to produce antibodies against the invading viral antigens without itself producing illness. The individual is then protected when the disease causing and closely related virus enters the body and the pre-existing antibodies are able to destroy it before it can replicate.

what scares ya more those pic's above or the vaccine ?


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Mech
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posted 12-23-2002 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeker....take the flippin vaccine already!!!

If you REALLY think its going to protect you against a strain of unknown smallpox that the vaccine will have no effect on be my guest.

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Mech
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posted 10-27-2003 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anti-terror smallpox jabs leave dozens ill

London Times
http://www.prisonplanet.com/102703smallpoxjabs.html


A SCHEME to vaccinate 700 key military and National Health Service staff against a smallpox bio-terrorist attack has stalled after dozens of them suffered adverse effects and two were hospitalised.

About 400-500 staff have had the injections, intended to create a group of personnel who could be sent into areas hit by the infectious and lethal virus.

The Health Protection Agency and the Ministry of Defence (MoD), which each planned to vaccinate 350 staff, this weekend said they had enough employees immunised to cope with any foreseeable attack.

Others disagreed. Colonel Bob Stewart, the army officer who sprang to prominence in the Bosnian war and who has had extensive training in biowarfare, said: "This is totally inadequate. How could any commander deal with a biological attack and all the resulting panic with just a few hundred people? What if there were several attacks?" Details of the problems emerged at a scientific conference on smallpox in Geneva, where Nigel Lightfoot, head of the Health Protection Agency's emergency response team, revealed that he had been one of those to suffer side effects including headaches and fever.

He told last week's conference that only 263 NHS staff had been vaccinated. Many had suffered side effects, he said, two of them seriously enough to be taken to hospital, one with suspected encephalitis. Both had since recovered.

The MoD confirmed that the number of its staff who had been vaccinated was well below the 350 envisaged by John Hutton, the health minister, in an announcement last December. "We are satisfied we have got enough people vaccinated to deal with any situation," it said.

The vaccine used on the NHS and military staff was taken from stocks built up 30 years ago rather than from the new generation of immunisations now available. This is because although the old vaccine has side effects for some people, the risks are known and can be monitored - whereas the new versions are relatively unknown and are considered safe only for large-scale use in emergencies.

Lightfoot said Britain had recently acquired enough doses of the new vacccine, in addition to its 30-year-old stockpile, for the whole country to be treated in case of an outbreak.

"We are now in a state of preparedness," he said, adding that he had conducted three exercises, most recently a simulated chemical attack in London. "The exercises were very useful, we learnt about the difficulty of getting the vaccine to a city quickly and the problem of transporting specimens."

Of all the biological agents that can be deployed in a terrorist attack, smallpox is generally thought to have the greatest potential to cause widespread harm. When the disease, which kills 30% of sufferers, was eradicated worldwide in 1979, it was hailed as the greatest public health achievement of the 20th century.

Since the September 11 attacks there have been growing fears that rogue states such as North Korea or terrorist groups including Al-Qaeda may have procured illegal smallpox stocks to launch the first bio-terror attack on Britain.

America has also had vaccine problems. Half a million military personnel have been vaccinated for smallpox, but plans to immunise 500,000 civilian medical staff stalled after only 38,000 jabs for fear of adverse side effects.

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