posted 12-13-2002 06:44 PM            

I'm sure the "special batches" are for the rest of us...

I'll take my chances. They won't get me.

Why should ANYONE trust a federal government who BETRAYED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL OATH OF OFFICE!!!!!!

THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED...AT ALL.

THEY HAVE BETRAYED THE UNITED STATES POPULATION.

The next attack WILL be staged and used as a pretext to declare martial law and a police state.

posted 12-13-2002 10:43 PM            

I'm wondering if this variety of Small pox is going to be a genetically enhanced version.
A while back I read a book called Biohazards written by a guy in Russia ( Ken Aliebek) who worked at perfecting different viruses. They worked on lots of different ways to spread these viruses plus make them more deadly than the original versions. This individual eventually defected from Russia and moved here to the U.S.

posted 12-14-2002 01:00 AM            

why would they spray you when all they have to do is pass a law...sign a decree...what have you...and have you vaccinated ?

hmmmm ?

posted 12-15-2002 03:49 PM               

I can't believe some people think that the government, including the President
of the United States, has this master plan to poison, sicken or kill the American public.

The first people to get the smallpox vaccinations are members of the military, doctors and nurses--what purpose would it serve to kill off the military and health workers? Do you really think "THEY" (whoever you think they are) envision a near future where they don't need doctors or military personnel? Even if you think we are slaves or peons, at very least, acknowledge we are useful peons.

Do you really think that all government employees are criminals with homocidal inclinations? We "the people" are the government--how many friends and relatives do readers have who work for the government? WE ARE THE MILITARY, THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS, THE CONGRESS, THE STATE DEPARTMENT. We are "THEM".

Some of us believe in chemtrails, and acknowledge government secrets, but that doesnt mean that we believe we are purposely being poisened and killed off. If anything is going to kill off the human population, it's lies which breed fear and ignorance, not a deliberate plan by a secret group of power hungry mortals who wish to take over the world. Some conspiracies are just as guilty of spreading fear, ignorance and lies as the criminals who abuse power and position.

I just want to post my opinion here lest readers who are mostly lurkers (moi) assume that all of us who are interested in chemtrails, also believe we are victims of a vast lethal government conspiracy.

Not me.

And by the way, no way will a vaccination ever be "forced" on an unwilling public. It's not possible to force inoculations on over three hundred million people. Every article I've read about smallpox vaccinations suggest that people don't get it, not that they do. They won't even be allowed for children because of the dangerous side affects which can include a particularly nasty rash.

posted 12-15-2002 06:39 PM            

You sound like a person who loves their country very dearly and albeit very concerned about it as well.

However, I' m sorry to inform you that the government has a very long history of poisoning, brainwashing, experimenting, lying, spying, framing, criminalizing, and generally has caused great harm to the citizenry as well as it's own military personnel. We are talking about the executive branch an other high level positions of government...not the workers.

If you read the U.S. Constitution, President Bush, and congress have breached their constitutional oath of office on numerous occasions by passing unconstitutional legislation. He is a traitor and as far as I am concerned, he IS evil. As is his father George SR. with all of his dirty dealings in the CIA tht pushed a globalist agenda even further to reality.These are not nice people.
Bush's relatives have ties to Hitler and the Nazi party.That's no conspiracy...that's a fact.

If you think that George W, Bush has America's best interest at stake you are sorely mistaken. His primary role is to feather the nest of globalist powerhouses and multinationals. Even Bush SR. blatntly admitted it in his 1990 speech about a "New World Order".

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President Harry Truman

"For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from it's original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy making arm of the government."

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I am a U.S. Navy veteran and I am absolutely disgusted with this globalist agenda dictating policy over our national sovereignty and constitutional law. If you REALLY loved America..you would oppose it in all forms.

What makes you believe the vaccination is not say for instance..planting microchips that can track you and your habits everywhere you go? You have heard of "Total information awareness" haven't you?

I have been sickened by military "vaccintions" to the point where I was hospitalized for two days at Jacksonville Naval Hospital...with a 104 degree temperature. You could say I have a distrust for them.I wa also told that I would have been discharged if I refused them. I call that FORCING the issue...you can't convince me otherwise.

In case you haven't noticed...more and more technology IS being used not for helping people...but used in ever nastier ways of treating the rest of us like slaves. You would be kidding yourself to think that this isn't happening. Look around.

"====== If anything is going to kill off the human population, it's lies which breed fear and ignorance, not a deliberate plan by a secret group of power hungry mortals who wish to take over the world. Some conspiracies are just as guilty of spreading fear, ignorance and lies as the criminals who abuse power and position.========="

That's baloney.....it's called PATRIOTISM. Questioning is PATRIOTISM...Dissent is PATRIOTISM.Standing up against destroyers of our sovereignty is PATRIOTISM.

Conspiracy my @$$..PLEASE tell the readers here what YOU think is a so-called lie? Please DO TELL?

"=====I just want to post my opinion here lest readers who are mostly lurkers (moi) assume that all of us who are interested in chemtrails, also believe we are victims of a vast lethal government conspiracy.======"

You better be sure.

JUST IN CASE you are not convinced that our government INTENTIONALLY set out to poison us...THE PEOPLE OF THE U.S....watch this 5 minute Real Player video clip.....
http://www.prisonplanet.com/biocitytests.ram

I see no reason why they are NOT doing the same thing today.

posted 12-15-2002 06:41 PM            

Personally, watching our society from the early 50's until now, the government would do whatever it needs to the do concerning the public. Remember which people you support, and if they're for the averge Joe and Joan, and not supporting the rich only. As a childhood friend of mine who helped write Unix Core of Macintosh OSX said, "It's bigger than we all know."

Here's the questions:

1) How does the government know it will be smallpox to inoculate against? Why not Ebola, Yellow Fever, TB, diptheria, Q fever, or 100 other deadly pathogens?

posted 12-16-2002 03:38 AM            

They know something we don't know and i'm sure they plan on keeping that way.

posted 12-16-2002 09:15 AM               

And by deliberately INFECTING MILLIONS UNDER THE GUISE OF A VACCINE, you'd spread this thing FAR AND WIDE!

Then of course BLAME Saddam and bomb the crap out of him and take his oil!

posted 12-16-2002 11:41 AM            

Here's what I think this hysteria over smallpox vaccination is going from the obvious to the unthinkable:

1) Giant financial windfall for pharmaceuticals

2) Testing the population to see how much they can get away with

3) Establish Marshall Law

4) Kill off some of the population

5) Introduce other genetic material in the vaccine, i.e. cancer

5) Introduce microchips for surveillance right in the shot.

I did not mention protecting the public, because that is the furthest thing from their minds. Why is it that 80% of pediatricians will not give vaccines to their own children? They know the dangers, but the people are uninformed that bring their kids in.

posted 12-16-2002 01:08 PM               

Bush’s smallpox vaccination plan hits snag: Nobody alerted the people who are suppose to be vaccinated next mon
"It was not fun," he said. "I had huge pustules, a swollen arm, swollen lymph nodes, and a fever for two days. As I testified before Congress, this is an 18th-century vaccine in a 21st-century population." http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/4689102.htm

And Get THIS:

Bush's Family and Staff Won't Take the Smallpox Vaccine
President Bush today announced plans to begin a smallpox inoculation campaign, ordering that it be given to military personnel and that it be offered to medical professionals and emergency workers considered most vulnerable to a biological attack from the deadly virus. http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/4689102.htm

Lastly, here's the kicker:

Health Secretary Won't Get Smallpox Shot

.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said he does not plan to be inoculated with the smallpox vaccine and recommends that other Cabinet members not request the inoculation either.

``I do not believe it is necessary or should be taking place,'' he said Sunday.

President Bush said Friday he will take the vaccine along with U.S. military forces but was not recommending the risky inoculation for most Americans. The inoculation will be free for those who want it, Thompson said over the weekend.

``The president is doing it because he is the commander in chief, and he believes that if he is ordering his troops ... to get this vaccination, he should do it as well,'' Thompson told CNN's ``Late Edition.''

``He also is recommending that elected officials be considered just like the general public, and I have also made the same kind of recommendation to the governors and to health offices who are not going to be in the first line.''

Vaccinations for a few dozen military personnel began Friday. By late January states are expected to begin inoculating health care response teams and others who would respond to a smallpox attack.

The government will make the vaccine available to the general public beginning in late spring or early summer, although it is not recommended for most people.

The vaccine carries rare but serious side effects. One or two out of every 1 million patients will be killed by the vaccine, and 15 will face life-threatening complications.

Smallpox was eradicated in the 1970s and, while experts fear that terrorists or hostile nations could unleash it in an act of bioterror, Bush says no immediate threat exists.

12/16/02 09:23 EST

All these phony SHILLS that have been saying 'CONSPIRACY THEORY'..... You line up FIRST!!!

posted 12-16-2002 03:36 PM               

I'm not discounting anything you say, I'm just not agreeing with you. I only found out about military black projects and chemtrails in the last year. So much of this is new to me, and there is still a lot I don't know anything about.

My eyes are open, but I'm not given to certain conspiracy theories simply because my senses and logic work well together and those impressions contradict the idea that there is a mass government conspiracy at work. Secrets, lies, yes. Stupidity and ignorance, yes. Corruption by individuals, yes. But an organized, open policy of murder, no.

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Don't lump the government in with big business. The corruption with the latter is just as severe, if not more so, but they are two separate issues, each one feeding off the other. Executives often buy the influence of govn't officials, and in that sense, the government can be just another pawn in the game. But not every individual within the government or big business is corrupt. A search for the truth should never fall to the level of a witch hunt.

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Because who would do the tracking? Do you have any idea how many people that would entail? It's hard enough to keep track of a small group of employees within an institution, let alone hundreds of millions of people outside of an institution. Ask the employees of the INS.

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You're right, you sign over your rights as an individual once you join the military. They own you lock stock and barrel. But the civilian population is something else entirely. There would be no way to force an inoculation on every citizen, legally or practically.

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Conspiracy theories generally do nothing more than spread fear and paranoia. They are so broad in their generalizatins that it makes it easy for dubunkers (even planted debunkers) from coming in and blowing the whole idea out of the water. Usually there is a kernel of truth in them which keeps them going, but the goal should be to find that kernel and then be relentless in exposing it.

We should narrow the focus instead of blaming. Find out what's in a chemtrail, who is spraying it, and under whose orders. Don't assume anything until then. The best way to do that is to keep the issue out in the open so that more people will come forward with pieces of the puzzle. We keep the pressure up, we are relentless in our discussions. Eventually, people will talk.

<< Questioning is PATRIOTISM...Dissent is PATRIOTISM...>>

I agree and I am all for this debate. My question for you is, how can you go to bed at night, thinking the way you do, and actually sleep? Talk about stress. Wouldn't it be healthier and more productive if you assume that most people aren't that evil? If Bush Jr is a criminal as you say, then fine, that's your opinion. But don't lump him in with his father. Bush Sr and Bush Jr are two entirely different people.

Bush Sr was much more of a policy man. His son is a lot more independent--you back him into a wall, he comes out fighting. Didn't you notice that while he was on the campaign trail? I used to think that was arrogance but now I think it's just a fighters spirit. He is not one to be cornered-- this greatly contrasts with his father, who was weak because he only thought inside the box and thus was much more dependent on his advisors.

My impressions of Bush Jr: His zest to "get" Al Quaeda is real. He does want them dead or alive. And if his quest were only about money and oil, than this hunt for the terrorists would not be so personal. Anyone who saw him give his first public speech after 9-11 must have noticed that the emotion was real. So even if you dislike him, at least acknowledge that this is not a man who is detached as his father was. His policies in the middle east often clash with his father's, especially in regards to Saudi Arabia, a country that Bush Sr coveted and Bush Jr wants to distance himself from.

My problem with the conspiracy theory that says the government is using chemtrails and other harmful policies to kill off the American public is that it doesn't make any sense. Why the hunt for terrorsts then? If you want to kill off people, why not just let them continue to blow up planes and buildings. A dirty bomb would certainly eliminate the need to sicken large groups of people without implicating the government.

The link was interesting. It's obvious we have been used as guinea pigs before, and probably still are. It is frightening and absurd. I want to find out and expose all I can about it. That's why I'm open minded, why I do research, and why I read boards like chemtrail central.

But consider--without the American people, there is no America, there is no President. If you kill off the peons, you ultimately kill off the puppet masters. It can't be as bad as you say, or else "THEY" are really stupid--the parasite that kills it's host.

posted 12-16-2002 03:42 PM               

These were the quotes I was responding to:

1) the government has a very long history of poisoning, brainwashing, experimenting, lying, spying, framing, criminalizing, and generally has caused great harm to the citizenry as well as it's own military personnel

2)What makes you believe the vaccination is not say for instance..planting microchips that can track you and your habits everywhere you go? You have heard of "Total information awareness" haven't you?

3) I have been sickened by military "vaccintions" to the point where I was hospitalized for two days at Jacksonville Naval Hospital...with a 104 degree temperature. You could say I have a distrust for them.I wa also told that I would have been discharged if I refused them. I call that FORCING the issue...you can't convince me otherwise.

4)Conspiracy my @$$..PLEASE tell the readers here what YOU think is a so-called lie? Please DO TELL?