posted 01-09-2003 10:10 PM            

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992792

posted 01-09-2003 10:23 PM            

anything new and in use as of TODAY mech ?

let's make this clear...if you driving under the influence you should be busted...if you break traffic laws you should be busted...

what you and everyone else does for recreation behind their doors is their business...as long as it does not physically injure another being...

and that's where me and a growing number of law abiding people part company with the gov...

dig

posted 01-09-2003 10:34 PM            

Posted on Thu, Jan. 09, 2003
Minnesota prisons nearly full
BY BILL GARDNER
Pioneer Press

Minnesota may have to post a "No Vacancy" sign on its prisons by this summer, leaving the state scrambling to find new ways to deal with a rapidly increasing population of inmates.

The state thought it had enough cells to meet demand through 2005, thanks to a new prison at Rush City. But the prison population is growing faster than expected.

"We're rapidly filling our new correctional facility at Rush City," Minnesota Corrections Department Deputy Commissioner Dennis Benson said Wednesday. "It will be filled at this rate by June or July, and then we will essentially be out of beds."

Minnesota has 7,200 prison beds at its eight prisons, and the latest estimates show a need to house 8,200 prisoners by 2005 and 9,500 prisoners by 2010.

Department of Corrections officials explained the situation Wednesday to a state Senate budget panel. They noted that if the projections are accurate, the state could fill two new prisons by 2010.

Benson said the department was shocked by the projections.

"We saw a dramatic spike in population growth," he said. "That surprised us all."

Many states are facing a similar dilemma. In Kentucky, officials recently began releasing prisoners early.

Nationally, far more people are now imprisoned than in earlier eras. In 1960, for example, fewer than 200,000 people were held in state or federal prisons or local jails, said Christopher Uggen, associate professor of sociology at the University of Minnesota. Now there are about 2 million prisoners.

"States are increasingly having problems managing correctional populations,'' Uggen said. "It's a large problem that's going to take creative solutions."

There are many reasons for the growing Minnesota prison population — stiffer sentences, better law enforcement, the recent economic downturn and new felonies, such as a drunken driving law that took effect Aug. 1.

Although the nation's crime rate has fallen in recent years, that highly publicized figure includes only about eight crime categories, Benson said. The rate doesn't include some crimes, most notably drug offenses, that are becoming more common.

Minnesota has fewer prisoners per capita than every state except North Dakota. Wisconsin, for instance, has 25,000 prisoners, while Minnesota has about 7,000.

"We save our prison beds for the people who need to be locked up,'' Benson said.

The solution to the rising prisoner population will probably be a "mixed bag,'' Benson said.

State money is in short supply as Minnesota officials deal with a budget shortfall of $4.56 billion over the next 2½ years.

Although no new prisons are planned, the state will probably have to add space at existing prisons, Benson said.

Also, about 800 inmates (more than 10 percent of the prison population) have less than a year to serve when they arrive at prison.

"We are really not designed for people serving less than a year," Benson said. "We need to look at a cheaper way of housing them."

Alternatives might include county jails, halfway houses, electronic monitoring or intensive supervision, he said.

"County jails are also running very full," Benson said. "Statewide, they are about 103 percent of capacity. I'm not saying cramming all 800 into the county jail system is the answer."

County sheriffs would agree with that conclusion.

Dakota County Sheriff Don Gudmundson said there is no room for additional inmates at the county jail in Hastings, which now often sends more than 70 inmates a day to other county jails.

posted 01-10-2003 06:22 AM            

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geeze mech damn near everything you post is either unverifiable hearsay, tabloid reporting, and or EXTREME leftwing propaganda...but...

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I don't agree with Mech's postings all the time either Seeker but this is not a true statement.

I am hard core conservative and what we are discussing on this thread is not about right or left, it is about a much bigger picture. Please take a moment to investigate this preresentation of the facts.
http://www.freedom-force.org/granddeception.htm
http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/10-07-2002/vo18no20.htm
http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/the_road_to_tyranny__34kbps_.ram

Yes, drunk drivers, drugged drivers and other's need to be taken off the road but at what price? Our freedom? We are always asked to give up liberty in exchange for security. That just doesn't work. History proves it.

Anyway Seeker, I'm glad you are here on this thread, please look in to the facts. I didn't want to believe a lot of this myself. It is painful to learn that your government is infiltrated with traitors.

Patriotism involves more than a blind faith in the leaders charged with running the country. American patriotism also includes a deep belief in the ideals that made this country great to begin with, the only ideals that will keep it great. Patriotic Americans understand the importance of the values of a our constitutional republic, such as mass participation in politics, free speech and civil liberties, economic equality, social equality, and equal citizenship for males, females, and minorities. In addition, they work to see that leaders and society are held responsible for promoting and achieving and maintaining these values.

... The patriots are not revolutionaries, trying to over throw the government they are counter-revolutionaries who want to
restore the constitutional government.

posted 01-10-2003 09:24 AM            

Meanwhile the globalists and the beauracrats are destroying everyones constitutional rights and turning the USA into a police state.

Nah, bickering over who is "so cool" or "so not cool" is more important.

Florida, I can say without a doubt that you are a TRUE conservative....not a NEO-CON.

Neo-cons are Bill Clinton on crack.

As for me, I never voted for a democratic pres. candidate or republican.

posted 01-10-2003 10:15 AM            

Yes, that seems to be the best way to cast your vote...on constitutional issues.

But, at the same time. The globalists control most of all the candidates running for office anyway.They groom their very existance to serve THEIR agenda.

So next time around I predict a un-off between King George the 2nd and Yosef Wimperman.

Or Tom (spineless) Daschle vs. King George

Or John (skull and bones) Kerry vs. King George

posted 01-10-2003 03:08 PM            

Here's a few links as per your request:

http://www.rememberjohn.com/Nazis.html

http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/bc01.html

http://www.bk2k.com/bushbodycount/prescott-bush/index.shtml

Henry Ford was also an avid Hitler/Nazi supporter, with a picture of the Fuhrer on his desk.

posted 01-10-2003 03:17 PM            

Benito Mussolini said Fascism was both state and corporate control working together over the population.

posted 01-11-2003 01:49 AM            

our constitution is the best documented plan for government ever written...

and to a certain extent I agree that "of the people by the people and for the people" seems to be eroding these days...

posted 01-11-2003 07:36 AM            

If you read what I posted on the next thread in this forum, http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000919.html you will be shocked when you independently check this information. It is all there on public record. The Carlyle Group is really what did it for me regarding our president. That and the Northwoods Document. You may argue that it's decades old but the blueprint is right there in black and white.

Look I voted for him, I prayed and am still grateful Al Gore didn't win. Now I find the only good thing about it is that GW has to have the rhetoric of being a conservative while he hands us over to the globalists, and Al Gore could have done it much faster and in the open with full support of his constituents.

posted 01-11-2003 06:32 PM            

Like you said Prof. a constitutionalist would be ideal. Rep Ron Paul from TX is the closest thing. Unfortunately most of us don't live in his district. A candidate to represent constitutionalists is not enough.

Only problem is that the elitist establishment can take down his plane any time he or anyone of his stripe gets too popular. They have the mainstream media to demonize him/her too.

Do the best you can to alert your friends and neighbors to the NWO especially any cops or military folks you know. Get a copy of Road to Tyranny in their hands. I am making copies and will be sending these out to anyone who contacts me at FLKook@aol.com. It is also online for free at http://www.infowars.com

Mech and I have become the unlikeliest of allies in this cause. Spiritually and socially we probably couldn't be farther apart in our ideals. But, like our opposition, we need to take the stance of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". And our enemy is the globalist elite. IT IS NOT ABOUT CONSERVATIVE V LIBERAL OR RIGHT V LEFT !

Read the links that have been posted on the thread and others throughout this forum. We know that Alex Jones is speaking the truth, he doesn't ask anyone's faith or trust, just that you check the evidence for yourself. Once you do know this...there is no turning back. I have found that out first hand. You either will eat yourself up with guilt for doing nothing with your knowledge or you will have to face hardship, ridicule, and loneliness exposing the truth. What's the alternative? Stick your head back in the sand with the rest of the lemmings.

If you fear the government so much that you are afraid to express your 1st amendment rights of free speech, then they've already won.

Please. If the future of our country is at all important to you, you will do this.