posted 02-08-2003 09:01 PM            

Then I guess you advocate mass slaughter of the poor and powerless. You are a sick, sadistic devil worshipper as far as I am concerned.

PV:----" The collateral damage of course is the human toll it would take. Would I care about it? My answer is NO! ----"

posted 02-08-2003 09:28 PM            

At the same time, I have to believe that the only reason a nuke has not already been used by terrorists in such a way is because they do not yet possess such a weapon. That's the reality the Bush administration is currently trying to prevent. We may not be able to completely seal the borders in a free country, but if we eliminate the sources of such nuclear weapons, the countries that would provide nuclear weapons or other biological WMDs to terrorist organizations, we eliminate half the problem right there. That's why I do believe N. Korea is next on the agenda after Iraq. They cannot be allowed to gain nukes or they WILL sell them to a terrorist organization such as Al-Qaida sure as a bear sh*tz in the woods.

I don't believe it is GW's intention to pre-emptively nuke N. Korea, but he has in no uncertain terms, place the threat out there to let them know that he means business and they better not take advantage of our distraction with Iraq to start making demands. I know Bush will not back down to such pressures, and the N. Koreans will quickly learn this as well. A situation which could conceivably cause us to resort to nukes with N. Korea is if they try to invade south Korea during Gulf War II or if they use weapons of mass destruction on our forces stationed there....but I do believe it would have to be something pretty big. Obviously, they know we do not have the man power to respond to a N. Korean invasion of the south at this time, so they MUST be made to understand that our only option could be to respond with a nuke. That understanding is in itself a deterrent. They MUST understand that GW Bush is serious, and that this is a credible threat and consequence for any action they might consider taking. That's exactly why I think it IS a credible threat. GW means what he says.

Ok, having painted the scenario for the use of a nuke over N. Korea (and note that I do say OVER, as in “attention getter”) I do believe this is only a last resort of the Bush administration, but as you can see, to not keep that option on the table would be to invite certain monkey business from N. Korea. It would be to remove a valuable deterrent. The other situation where a nuke could potentially be used is if Sadam does anything stupid with Israel. If he launches a WMD on Israel, Israel most certainly will respond in kind. A biological agent launched into Israel by Scud or UAV for example, could potentially result in a nuclear retaliation. Sadam might even use Palestinian terrorist groups like Hamas for the same purpose, thereby complicating Israel's response a bit more. Hopefully, either scenario can be avoided, because I don't think Israel is in any mood to mess around with Sadam. The possibility that they WOULD launch any one of their 200 nuclear warheads at Iraq is very real if they are attacked with a WMD.

posted 02-08-2003 09:58 PM            

That's false...the BUSH administration has been giving missle and nuclear technology to both N. korea and Communist China.Yet you still see them as the "Hero".

"---We may not be able to completely seal the borders in a free country,---"

Absolute nonsense...the borders are wide open and the Bush administration wants to give Mexicans social security. yet they have the gall to arrest Militiamen for protecting their property and the U.S. Border.It's all part of the NWO and the PAN-AMERICAN-UNION, designed to destroy U.S. sovereignty and constitutional law.

If anyone is selling WMD it is the United States. They have for years and continue to arm dictators and lets not forget...THE MUJAHADEEN many of whom becme Al-Qaida.

The best way to fight terrorists is by NOT ARMING THEM in the first place. Second, OBEY the CONSTITUTION and put that law ABOVE PROFIT.

(War is money)

I have NO sympathy for the government of ISRAEL either. We need to stop sending them ARMS to kill Palestinians. If we did, ISRAEL would smarten up in 2 SECONDS.

If ANYONE is going to BIO or dirti bo^^b an US city it's the CI@ and the BU$h administration. I know who stands to gain. 9-11 was a good excuse, now they need another one.

Many of these "terrorist" groups are CI@ finded and trained. (mujahaddeen) etc.So was USAma bin Laden. Also connected to THE CARLYLE GROUP.

posted 02-08-2003 10:22 PM            

Your imperialistic, sadistic, satanic desire for MURDER disgusts me.

If you want to DENY YOUR OWN WORDS...you can. If you saw your own children or relatives INCINERATED in front of you you might think a little differently....HOPEFULLY.

posted 02-08-2003 11:12 PM            

Let’s look at this honestly. America does not kill people in war if America is on the right side of the war (which it is in most of history except for Kosovo). The evil dictators of enslaved countries kill their own people. No truer example of this is in US sanctions of Iraqi trade. Liberals blame America for starving Iraqi children, when the fact of the matter is, that Sadam is starving children. Money that is meant for food is stolen by Sadam to build his palaces and build up his covert WMD programs to terrorize the world, while his people are starved and tortured by Sadam‘s henchmen. The simple remedy for this situation is to remove Sadam, eliminate the evil. …yet liberal, America haters such as yourself choose to ignore the actual cause and blame America.

By the same token, it is North Korean’s insane little wretch of a human (and I use the term "human" loosely), dictator Kim il Jong, who places his people at risk by threatening the United States at an opportunistic moment. If N. Korea gets nuked, it will be his doing.

>>>>>“the BUSH administration has been giving missle and nuclear technology to both N. korea and Communist China.Yet you still see them as the "Hero". “<<<<

This is an absolutely false statement with regards to the Bush administration, but was true of the Clinton administration which is the cause for the current situation. Let’s see any evidence for your statement.

>>>>"---We may not be able to completely seal the borders in a free country,---"
Mech’s response: “Absolute nonsense.”<<<<<

It is a truism to say that a free country may not be able to completely seal it’s borders. Why do you say this is absolute nonsense, Mech?

>>>>The best way to fight terrorists is by NOT ARMING THEM in the first place<<<

True enough, but arming the enemies of our enemies has also proven to be a successful tactic in many situations.

The rest of your bull shitake mushrooms statements are so self evidently ridiculous that they do not even deserve the courtesy of a response…

posted 02-08-2003 11:41 PM            

CFR= NEW....WORLD....ORDER....

From CFR's GARY HART'S OWN WORDS.....

http://www.prisonplanet.com/hart2.mpa

posted 02-08-2003 11:45 PM            

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Let’s look at this honestly. America does not kill people in war if America is on the right side of the war (which it is in most of history except for Kosovo).

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posted 02-09-2003 12:03 AM            

Anyone with any kind of brains left at all must realize that this country was hijacked by global bankers and elitists YEARS ago.

The solution? A FULL return to CONSTITUTIONAL LAW...abolishment of the (private) FEDERAL RESERVE..the IRS and all TRAITORS to the CONSTITUTION put on trial and sentenced accordingly.America would again become a SOVEREIGN NATION...NO NAFTA...NO GATT..NO WTO etc.

posted 02-09-2003 12:10 AM            

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That statement makes no sense what so ever. America does not kill in war, really? How about WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, desert storm, et al? The U.S has, in all likely hood, killed more people,directly and indirectly, than any other nation in the history of the world.

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Obviously, you did not understand my point, David. First of all, your statement that America has killed more people than any other nation in the history of the world is egregiously false. If you said America has saved and fed and clothed more people than any other country in the world, now that would be a true statement. It’s amazing that I have to sit here and explain to another so-called “American” that America doesn’t start war, that America is the only country on Earth, save perhaps Israel and Great Britain and other American sponsored allies, that goes out of it’s way to reduce collateral damage by designing sophisticated weapons for the purpose of precisely taking out military targets. WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, Desert Storm..etc were all caused by the aggression of evil dictators who killed and tortured millions of people. By opposing them in war, we saved and liberated millions, and democratic countries were created as a result.

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And we are about to do the same thing again, when it is not needed, Iraq can be contained. We do not need to go into that country and destroy them, it is pure lunacy to do so.

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If Iraq can be contained, then why has the last 11 years been unsuccessful in preventing Sadam from pursuing a WMD and nuclear program? Failure to comply with 17 UN resolutions that were the prerequisite obligations of a cease fire (from the first Gulf War) Sadam has proven than nothing has worked to contain him. He has demonstrated that nothing short of his removal will remove the threat he presents to the world. Once he has those weapons, his past history demonstrates that he is quite willing to use them. It is better to eliminate that very near future possibility, than to wait until he has nukes, is an even bigger threat, and requires that millions more die trying to remove him then. To any thinking person with the common sense of a house plant, it is obvious we must remove him now.

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The use of nukes will bring the wrath of the world to our doorsteps, we will be no better or different than terrorists ourselves.
Preemptive strike? The use of nukes?=insanity

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So you would rather wait for the terrorist to do it to us first? 9/11 wasn’t enough for you to respond? You’d rather wait for terrorists to use a nuke on us first before responding? Oh but wait, I forget, if they did, you’d blame it on the US government and still not respond to the people responsible for the attack. Now that = insanity.

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What would stop another country, afraid of the U.S.'s invasion, decides to use 'preemptive strikes' against us.

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posted 02-09-2003 12:15 AM            

The REAL TERRORISTS are the Bush's and the Globalists... end of story.

The BUSH's of this world WANT you to live in fear. That is their goal.

Especilly with PHONY TERRORIST ALERTS.

posted 02-09-2003 02:07 AM            

By Rob Ronning
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_ronning_020703_schools.html

The total takeover by the global elite’s agenda is rapidly progressing as never before in human history, and many people are becoming more aware of the significance of events as they occur. At home, the economic situation is bleak, the threat of terrorist acts is unprecedented, and an Orwellian-style government is tracking our personal lives and transactions, while our freedoms are being systematically stripped. Abroad, the possibility of an ‘endless war’ starting in Iraq and escalating to include the possibility of many other countries such as North Korea, Iran, Libya, and Syria ominously looms in the near future. Those of us with children or grandchildren are increasingly conscious of these and other influences affecting the most innocent and vulnerable in our society. Our public education systems have become training grounds for immorality, drug addiction, deviant behavior and learned violence instead of basic knowledge. Our children certainly deserve better than this!

American public schools have been sliding towards their current state for many years. In the book entitled, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America, Charlotte Thompson Iserbyt completely details the plot against our children by those who control the system. She served as the Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement for the U. S. Department of Education during the first Reagan Administration. Iserbyt was also a former school board director in Maine, and is considered an expert on educational policy matters. This is a highly informative book, and should definitely be read by all parents concerned about the education of their children. In this book, Iserbyt details the school-to-work programs designed to train the next generation of slaves instead of providing the necessary basic education that enables personal freedom and independence. I recently came across an 1895 final examination for eighth-graders in a small Kansas town. This test is quite interesting, and should serve as proof of the conspiracy against our children. The original document is on display at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library, in Salina, KS and has been reprinted in that area’s local paper.

The test consisted of over 40 questions covering Grammar, Arithmetic, U.S. History, Orthography, and Geography. Five hours were allotted to complete the exam. The following questions are taken directly from the actual test:

· What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of lie, lay, and run.

· District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?

· Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.

· Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?

· Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.

· What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?

· Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.

· Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.

It is interesting to note that these questions were geared toward preparing the students to become knowledgeable and productive members of a free society; not the mindless values and sensitivity training our children are now required to learn in public schools. How many of today’s eighth-grade graduates could answer the example questions correctly (or the rest of the test)? Realistically, how many high school or college graduates possess the knowledge level required to have successfully graduated the eighth grade in 1895? An eighth-grade education obviously meant something 100 years ago!

My own education was superior compared to my peers, but I was still affected by the public school morality meltdown. In the late 1980’s I graduated from a home school taught by my stay-at-home mother. Not only do I count it a privilege to have had this experience, but am grateful for the quality education it afforded as opposed to the American public education system.

A mixture of public, private and home school attendance fulfilled my elementary and secondary education. During my junior high school years, I attended a local public school and was exposed to several situations that made my parents question the validity of the entire system. In one of my classes, the teacher brought a prostitute into the classroom to tell her story, and in another, I was exposed to a film called “The Lottery”, in which the end result dictated the removal of one person by stoning to death. The person was chosen via an all-inclusive lottery, and at the end of the film, the child of this unfortunate person was forced to participate in the actual killing act! I was also advised by the school counselor on more than one occasion not to adhere to my parents’ wishes concerning elective classes.

My parents were so alarmed by these experiences in the public education system, that their decision to home school seemed a logical conclusion. Even 15 to 20 years ago, the public school system was attempting to negate parental authority as well as force twisted morals and ideas into innocent children’s minds.

Shortly after my parents began to home school, social workers harassed my parents concerning the education of the three school-age children in our household. At one point, these same social workers visited our home to “observe the environment” and admitted to my mother that they did not see an abusive situation. In spite of this admission, my parents were intimidated by the experience, and placed my brother, sister, and me back into the public school system at the beginning of the next scheduled semester. Ultimately, my parents decided our education was too important to leave in the hands of a corrupt system that did not share any of the values they were attempting to instill in us, and began to home school again after only one semester.

Today, public schools have only decayed even further. We now have a blatantly socialistic, one-world, homosexual agenda constantly forced upon all the children in the system. Public schools increasingly have become less focused on real education, and are more engaged in training children to be subservient world citizens with only politically correct values. Parental authority and wishes are ignored, and children are encouraged to view their parents as incompetent and unenlightened. Parents who are alarmed at these trends are finding that alternate education options are becoming more difficult. I am alarmed by reports of home schooling parents being informed they are in violation of state truancy laws unless they are either licensed teachers or are using public school curriculum (both of these “requirements” are completely false if the pertinent state laws are referenced). I read in horror of home-schooled children forcibly being removed from their homes and parents under highly questionable pretenses.

The world system being placed into operation realizes that the family is the backbone of resistance to their plans, and that children are the key to the final implementation of their designs. A battle is raging on many fronts for the minds and futures of our children, and the public school system is one of the main battlefields. Do not allow your innocent ones to be destroyed by this evil! Consider an active parental role in their education as an insurance policy against the development of future tyranny and as one of the many ways you can combat it today.

posted 02-09-2003 03:06 AM            

mech was asked these very simple questions...

mech if bush wanted oil why iraq ?

why a country with WMD ?

why not just roll into kuwait...whoopse we did that..ugghh...hmmm...why didn't we take their oil ?

...or shoot how about saudi...we already have a base their why not take their oil ?

big freakin surprise there's no answer to these extremely simple questions...

number one mech cannot think for himself...

numebr two the answer is the U.S has NO motive other than the removal of a dangerous man "insane hussien" that thinks he's the re-incarnation of a biblical king...with dangerous weapons...that has conspired to harm the U.S and it's citizens many times over...

(there will be NO NUKES used david you twit...posturing and all cards on the table are the way to play poker...u must be a go-fish guy....well it's time to cut bait....

mech is a 31 year old teenager that thinks one fine day he stumbled and fell on the pinnacle of knowledge (internet)...and little does he apparently know that there's more bullshit in cyberland than the field three lots down from me...

although it looks like your weakening due to the veracity of insanity and ignorance put forth by mech...billy...hang in there...

you know the truth...

as a sidenote I can't imagine living in david and mech's paranoid delusional world either....

toads like these only exist to bring the rest of us down...

posted 02-09-2003 03:22 AM            

I'd rather stay a "teen ager" and keep my self respect...if being an "adult" means believing in the NEO-CONSERVATIVE CRAP that you believe in.

You PARROT all the worst behaviors of Hitler's followers..

"WORD" TO LIFE.

"well let's cut to the chase shall we...

mech was asked these very simple questions...

mech if bush wanted oil why iraq ?"

HUGE SUPPLY....MASSIVE PROFITS FOR HIM AND HIS SHAREHOLDERS

"why a country with WMD ?"

IRAQ IS NOT A THREAT

"why not just roll into kuwait...whoopse we did that..ugghh...hmmm...why didn't we take their oil ?"

WE HAVE THEIR OIL. WE CONTROL THEM.WHY IS MOST OF OUR MILITARY THERE....DUH????? NOT TO MENTION ALL OF THE WEAPONS TO BE SHOWN OFF DURING THE WAR TO BE SOLD TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.

"...or shoot how about saudi...we already have a base their why not take their oil ?"

SAUDI ARABIA IS A CLIENT PUPPET STATE TO THE NWO/BUSH CABAL.

Seeker, go back to Mav's and Celebrate the destruction of our Contitutional Republic.