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wildwest120
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26 posts, Sep 2002

posted 01-07-2003 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wildwest120     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Odd weather we are having,well we have alot
of help.Seems for some reason several of the
radar site are sending out some kind of beam
that is zapping all the moisture out of the
whole US and blowing it out in the Alantic.
Take a look at the water vapor and then the
infared; http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goes8conusir.html
The high over salt lake(where the new area 51
is) has not moved for days now. Also the one
in Texas. See them blasting from what looks
like Las Vegas area.
Click on each one and put to motion to see the beams of some sort cooking the moisture
out of the air; http://weather.noaa.gov/radar/national.html
I know here i could smell the air was burnt.
So what is so important to hold back all our
moisture and the jet stream and superheat
our air.Was the chem spray today,after a holiday break,something new that needed controled weather.Is this how they are going to infect us with smallpox????????
Does anyone know from exposure how long
before people get sick??????
Also seems Spain is doing the same thing
for Europe!!!!! Check out the jet stream; http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_norhem_00.gif
Here you can set in motion; http://squall.sfsu.edu/scripts/nhemjetstream_model.html
To see more about the radar site this link
is excellent; http://www.radarmatrix.com/
So they found a new toy at tax payers expense account to play with,while our wells
run dry, trees are dying,cracks in the earth
big enough for a vw to fall into,farmers are
hauling water to keep their livestock alive.
So sad with all this tech you would think they could find ONE positive thing to do with it!!!!!!

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Feelin Kocky
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posted 01-07-2003 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feelin Kocky   Email Feelin Kocky   Visit Feelin Kocky's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keep your eyes open. The ridge over the western US is about to break down.

I am curious as how RADAR can zap water out to sea.

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wildwest120
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posted 01-08-2003 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wildwest120     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dodge city Kansas is blasting all the moisture out of the area; http://www.crh.noaa.gov/radar/latest/DS.p19r0/si.kddc.shtml
I guess all those surplus radar waves is
good for all the thousands of beef feed lots
in that area,tenderizes the beef on hoof!!!!!
We wonder where our moisture is going to
grow the winter wheat!!!!
Your tax dollars at work,HUH.

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posted 01-08-2003 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feelin Kocky   Email Feelin Kocky   Visit Feelin Kocky's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wildwest120:
Dodge city Kansas is blasting all the moisture out of the area; http://www.crh.noaa.gov/radar/latest/DS.p19r0/si.kddc.shtml
I guess all those surplus radar waves is
good for all the thousands of beef feed lots
in that area,tenderizes the beef on hoof!!!!!
We wonder where our moisture is going to
grow the winter wheat!!!!
Your tax dollars at work,HUH.


LOL. WSR-88D Weather radar RMS power is less than a microwave oven.

And, in southwest kansas, since farming and irragation begain, there is actually more low level moisture here than ever on record.

You're funny.


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wildwest120
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posted 01-08-2003 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wildwest120     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is your proof of the power output?????
You better go back to schooool.The correct
way to spell irrigation,not irragation!
Radar Information http://www.crh.noaa.gov/radar/radinfo/radinfo.html

The ability to detect the "shift in the phase" of the pulse of energy makes NEXRAD a Doppler radar. The phase of the returning signal typically changes based upon the motion of the raindrops (or bugs, dust, etc.). This Doppler effect was named after the Austrian physicist, Christian Doppler, who discovered it. You have most likely experienced the "Doppler effect" around trains.

As a train passes your location, you may have noticed the pitch in the train's whistle changing from high to low. As the train approaches, the sound waves that make up the whistle are compressed making the pitch higher than if the train was stationary. Likewise, as the train moves away from you, the sound waves are stretched, lowering the pitch of the whistle. The faster the train moves, the greater the change in the whistle's pitch as it passes your location.

The same effect takes place in the atmosphere as a pulse of energy from NEXRAD strikes an object and is reflected back toward the radar. The radar's computers measure the phase change of the reflected pulse of energy which then convert that change to a velocity of the object, either toward or from the radar. Information on the movement of objects either toward or away from the radar can be used to estimate the speed of the wind. This ability to "see" the wind is what enables the National Weather Service to detect the formation of tornados which, in turn, allows us to issue tornado warnings with more advanced notice.


Is everything I see on the images an accurate picture of my weather?

Weather surveillance radars such as the WSR-88D can detect most precipitation within approximately 80 nautical miles (nm) of the radar, and intense rain or snow within approximately 140 nm. However, light rain, light snow, or drizzle from shallow cloud weather systems are not necessarily detected.

Echoes from surface targets appear in almost all radar reflectivity images. In the immediate area of the radar, "ground clutter" generally appears within a radius of 20 nm. This appears as a roughly circular region with echoes that show little spatial continuity. It results from radio energy reflected back to the radar from outside the central radar beam, from the earth's surface or buildings.

Under highly stable atmospheric conditions (typically on calm, clear nights), the radar beam can be refracted almost directly into the ground at some distance from the radar, resulting in an area of intense-looking echoes. This "anomalous propagation" phenomenon (commonly known as AP) is much less common than ground clutter. Certain sites situated at low elevations on coastlines regularly detect "sea return", a phenomenon similar to ground clutter except that the echoes come from ocean waves.

Returns from aerial targets are also rather common. Echoes from migrating birds regularly appear during nighttime hours between late February and late May, and again from August through early November. Return from insects is sometimes apparent during July and August. The apparent intensity and areal coverage of these features is partly dependent on radio propagation conditions, but they usually appear within 30 nm of the radar and produce reflectivities of <30 dBZ (decibels of Z).

However, during the peaks of the bird migration seasons, in April and early September, extensive areas of the south-central U.S. may be covered by such echoes. Finally, aircraft often appear as "point targets" far from the radar, particularly in composite reflectivity images.

The radar is also limited close in by its inability to scan directly overhead. Therefore, close the radar, data are not available due to the radar's maximum tilt elevation of 19.5°. This area is commonly referred to as the radar's "Cone of Silence".

Though surface echoes appear in the base and composite reflectivity images, special automated error checking generally removes their effects from precipitation accumulation products. The national reflectivity mosaic product is also automatically edited to detect and remove most nonprecipitation features. Even with limited experience, users of unedited products can differentiate precipitation from other echoes, if they are aware of the general meteorological situation.


What are the different types of radar images?
Base Reflectivity
This is a display of echo intensity (reflectivity) measured in dBZ (decibels of Z, where Z represents the energy reflected back to the radar). "Reflectivity" is the amount of transmitted power returned to the radar receiver. Base Reflectivity images are available at several different elevation angles (tilts) of the antenna and are used to detect precipitation, evaluate storm structure, locate atmospheric boundaries and determine hail potential.

The base reflectivity image currently available on this website is from the lowest "tilt" angle (0.5°). This means the radar's antenna is tilted 0.5° above the horizon.

The maximum range of the base reflectivity product is 124 nm (about 143 miles) from the radar location. This view will not display echoes that are more distant than 124 nm, even though precipitation may be occurring at greater distances. To determine if precipitation is occurring at greater distances link to an adjacent radar or link to the National Reflectivity Mosaic.
Composite Reflectivity
This display is of maximum echo intensity (reflectivity) from any elevation angle at every range from the radar. This product is used to reveal the highest reflectivity in all echoes. When compared with Base Reflectivity, the Composite Reflectivity can reveal important storm structure features and intensity trends of storms.

The maximum range of the composite reflectivity product is 248 nm (about 285 miles) from the radar location. The blocky appearance of this product is due to its lower spatial resolution on a 2.2 * 2.2 nm grid. It has one-fourth the resolution of the Base Reflectivity and one-half the resolution of the Precipitation products.

Although the Composite Reflectivity product is able to display maximum echo intensities 248 nm from the radar, the beam of the radar at this distance is at a very high altitude in the atmosphere. Thus, only the most intense convective storms and tropical systems will be detected at the longer distances.

Because of this fact, special care must be taken interpreting this product. While the radar image may not indicate precipitation it's quite possible that the radar beam is overshooting precipitation at lower levels, especially at greater distances. To determine if precipitation is occurring at greater distances link to an adjacent radar or link to the National Reflectivity Mosaic.
One-hour Precipitation
This is an image of estimated one-hour precipitation accumulation on a 1.1 nm by 1 degree grid. This product is used to assess rainfall intensities for flash flood warnings, urban flood statements and special weather statements. The maximum range of this product is 124 nm (about 143 miles) from the radar location. This product will not display accumulated precipitation more distant than 124 nm, even though precipitation may be occurring at greater distances. To determine accumulated precipitation at greater distances you should link to an adjacent radar.
Storm Total Precipitation
This image is of estimated accumulated rainfall, continuously updated, since the last one-hour break in precipitation. This product is used to locate flood potential over urban or rural areas, estimate total basin runoff and provide rainfall accumulations for the duration of the event.

The maximum range of this product is 124 nm (about 143 miles) from the radar location. This product will not display accumulated precipitation more distant than 124 nm, even though precipitation may be occurring at greater distances. To determine accumulated precipitation at greater distances link to an adjacent radar.

How often are the images updated?
Image updates are based upon the operation mode of the radar at the time the image is generated. The WSR-88D Doppler radar is operated in one of two modes -- clear air mode or precipitation mode. In clear air mode, images are updated every 10 minutes. In precipitation mode, images are updated every five or six minutes. The collection of radar data, repeated at regular time intervals, is referred to as a volume scan.


Clear Air Mode
In this mode, the radar is in its most sensitive operation. This mode has the slowest antenna rotation rate which permits the radar to sample a given volume of the atmosphere longer. This increased sampling increases the radar's sensitivity and ability to detect smaller objects in the atmosphere than in precipitation mode. A lot of what you will see in clear air mode will be airborne dust and particulate matter. Also, snow does not reflect energy sent from the radar very well. Therefore, clear air mode will occasionally be used for the detection of light snow.

The radar continuously scans the atmosphere by completing volume coverage patterns (VCP). A VCP consists of the radar making several 360° scans of the atmosphere, sampling a set of increasing elevation angles. There are two clear mode VCPs.

In clear air mode, the radar begins a volume scan at the 0.5° elevation angle (i.e., the radar antenna is angled 0.5° above the ground). Once it makes two full sweeps (a surveillance/reflectivity sweep and a Doppler/velocity sweep) at the 0.5° elevation angle, it increases to 1.5° and makes two more 360° rotations. For one of the clear air mode VCPs, two full sweeps are also made at 2.5°. Otherwise, at the higher elevations (2.5°, 3.5°, and 4.5°) a single sweep is made (reflectivity and velocity data are collected together).

This process is repeated at 2.5°, 3.5°, and 4.5°. Then the radar returns to the 0.5° elevation angle to begin the next volume scan which will repeat the same sequence of elevation angles. In clear air mode, the complete scan of the atmosphere takes about 10 minutes at 5 different elevation angles.
Precipitation Mode
When precipitation is occurring, the radar does not need to be as sensitive as in clear air mode as rain provides plenty of returning signals. At the same time, meteorologists want to see higher in the atmosphere when precipitation is occurring to analyze the vertical structure of the storms. This is when the meteorologists switch the radar to precipitation mode using one of two volume coverage patterns.

Both precipitation VCP's begin like the clear air mode mentioned above with the same evaluations scans as in the clear air mode. The difference is the radar continues looking higher in the atmosphere, up to 19.5° to complete the volume scan. The time it takes to complete the entire volume scan is also less. In the slower VCP, the radar completes the volume scan of nine different elevations in six minutes. In the faster VCP, the radar completes 14 different elevation scans in five minutes.

Differences in the quality of radar images between the two precipitation mode VCPs are relatively minor. Therefore, during severe weather, the faster VCP is almost always used as it provides the meteorologists with the quickest updates and most elevation slices through the storms.

In summary, when the radar is in clear air mode, radar images will be updated approximately every ten minutes. In precipitation mode, the updates will occur around five to six minutes apart.

What do the colors mean in the reflectivity products?



The colors are the different echo intensities (reflectivity) measured in dBZ (decibels of Z) during each elevation scan. "Reflectivity" is the amount of transmitted power returned to the radar receiver. Reflectivity (designated by the letter Z) covers a wide range of signals (from very weak to very strong). So, a more convenient number for calculations and comparison, a decibel (or logarithmic) scale (dBZ), is used.

dBZ Rainrate
(in/hr)
65 16+
60 8.00
55 4.00
52 2.50
47 1.25
41 0.50
36 0.25
30 0.10
20 Trace
The dBZ values increase as the strength of the signal returned to the radar increases. Each reflectivity image you see includes one of two color scales. One scale (far left) represents dBZ values when the radar is in clear air mode (dBZ values from -28 to +28). The other scale (near left) represents dBZ values when the radar is in precipitation mode (dBZ values from 5 to 75). Notice the color on each scale remains the same in both operational modes, only the values change. The value of the dBZ depends upon the mode the radar is in at the time the image was created.

The scale of dBZ values is also related to the intensity of rainfall. Typically, light rain is occurring when the dBZ value reaches 20. The higher the dBZ, the stronger the rainrate. Depending on the type of weather occurring and the area of the U.S., forecasters use a set of rainrates which are associated to the dBZ values. These values are estimates of the rainfall per hour, updated each volume scan, with rainfall accumulated over time. Hail is a good reflector of energy and will return very high dBZ values. Since hail can cause the rainfall estimates to be higher than what is actually occurring, steps are taken to prevent these high dBZ values from being converted to rainfall.
So that means they are getting between 2.5
and 4 in of rain per hour there!!!!
Also the speed it is spinning is unreal!
I bet the skys are clear!
Compare to this;
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p38cr/si.kfsx.shtml
Normal ground clutter and rain clouds moving
through and normal screen. http://www.radarmatrix.com
Does anyone have intelegent answers to why
and how they are taking our water vapor away?

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posted 01-08-2003 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feelin Kocky   Email Feelin Kocky   Visit Feelin Kocky's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank ewe fer summarizing how the 88D werks. I have only ben operatin one fer da pas 8 yars, but probly dunt no nuttin like ewe do. ROTFLMAO


After all that copying and pasting and you still have not explained HOW radar pushes moisture from an area.

Yep one of us needs more skoolin. It is you, my friend.

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wildwest120
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posted 01-08-2003 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wildwest120     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am still waiting for your proof of power???
Or did they forget to tell you that in debunkers 101 or was that the spelling and
english they forgot.
If you were really a worker on that system
what do have to hide from telling us the facts then??????????????? TOO SCARD????

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Feelin Kocky
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posted 01-08-2003 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feelin Kocky   Email Feelin Kocky   Visit Feelin Kocky's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK. If I tell you all I have to do is walk across the room and read from the transmitter status what the current average power is (926 Watts at this time)? Would that be enough proof? I know...NO.

I should have used the term "average power" instead of RMS, because RMS power is hard to calculuate since the RADAR's PRF (Pulse Repetition Frequency) and pulse length change automatically on the 88D. The reason the average power is so low is that the radar spends most of its time listening for echos. For example, if it sends a 1 micorsecond pulse, it will listen for 1000 microseconds. That is how the 750KW peak power becomes less than 1000 Watts of average power. If the RADAR actually transmitted 750KW continuously (there are RADARs out there that do that) birds would just drop out of the air after passing in front of the antenna.

Your turn. How does RADAR move moisture?

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posted 01-08-2003 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PHXPilot   Email PHXPilot   Visit PHXPilot's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I'd be pretty interested in knowing how that works also, Wildwest.

BTW, you forgot a space after your comma in one of your previous posts. Back to schooooool?

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wildwest120
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posted 01-09-2003 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wildwest120     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok then,then what are we seeing when a site
is spinning 4+ times faster than normal and
sending out those pulse beams that are in the
high moisture colors,when a neighbor site
shows normal operation????

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Feelin Kocky
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posted 01-09-2003 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feelin Kocky   Email Feelin Kocky   Visit Feelin Kocky's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not exactly sure what you are talking about with the 4 times faster statement. However, the WSR-88D basically has "clear-air" mode and a "precipitation mode." We run in clear-air most of the time. This mode is very senstitive and can detect bugs, dust, and even differences in air density with respect to moisture. The antenna also rotates much slower and it takes about twice as long to complete a "volume scan" as it does in precipitation mode (10 minutes vs 5 or 6). You may be confused by the fact that the color scales for both clear-air and precipitation modes are the same yet the DBZ values are different.

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