posted 01-13-2003 05:54 PM            

"The ends justify the means".

Machavelli.

Yes..that IS the NEOCON philosiphy.

posted 01-13-2003 05:55 PM            

If you wish to deny the FACTS,due to "party affiliation" that's your option.

posted 01-13-2003 11:24 PM            

http://www.carlylegroup.com/profile.htm

Profile
Established in 1987, The Carlyle Group is a private global investment firm that originates, structures and acts as lead equity investor in management-led buyouts, strategic minority equity investments, equity private placements, consolidations and buildups, and growth capital financings. Since its inception, the firm has invested more than $7.2 billion of equity in 263 corporate and real estate transactions with an aggregate acquisition value of over $19 billion. As of September 30, 2002, the firm had more than $13.9 billion of committed capital under management.

Carlyle’s extensive transaction experience and network of global partners are sources of corporate opportunities unparalleled in the private equity investment community. Headquartered in Washington, DC, the firm serves a diverse base of more than 550 investors in 55 countries worldwide.

Mission
Our mission is to become the premier global private equity firm and to generate extraordinary returns while maintaining our good name and the good name of our partners. Toward that end, we have established a family of funds in the Carlyle name and a network of offices around the world. We maintain the highest standards of ethical conduct and employ a conservative, proven and disciplined approach to investing.

posted 01-14-2003 10:33 AM            

There are many reasons I now loathe President Bush and his family. Carlyle Group was just the final straw, there is a lot more, we'll call that icing on the cake...especially the money trail and his continued involvement with (skull & bones & bohmeian grove).

Ever wonder why we don't hear anymore about the money trail in the mainstream media?

Wall Street Journal, and World Net Daily are not the hub of liberalism T/S.

January 9, 2002 PART III of Tom Flocco s explosive story on Insider Trading and 9-11. All Roads Lead To Deutschebank and Bush's own 1991 insider trading scandal involving Harken Energy. Why? Because Kuwait and Bahraini banks that likely served the Bushes in 1991 have been specifically omitted from the current crackdown on terrorist financing. And these banks have correspondent relations with Deutschebank! Read the 3 part article by Tom Flocco at "From The Wilderness".

http://www.copvcia.com

By Tom Flocco
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

According to U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission records, on four separate occasions Gov. George W. Bush disregarded federal statutes by failing to file insider stock trade reports on a timely basis, back-dating one trade by some four months. Moreover, one key trade just a few weeks before Iraq invaded Kuwait -- but reported some eight months late after the Gulf War was over -- netted Bush close to $1 million in profit as he sold stock in Harken Energy, an oil company doing business in the Middle East wherein some of his father's largest contributors also maintained substantial positions.

The SEC under President Bush carried out an incomplete investigation of the younger Bush's pre-Gulf War trade in 1991 after key presidential advisor George Jr. claimed that he filed a report, but that the SEC had most likely lost it.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16298

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9/28/2001

WALL STREET JOURNAL: BUSH SR. IN BUSINESS WITH BIN LADEN FAMILY CONGLOMERATE THROUGH CARLYLE GROUP

FAMILY HAD RENOUNCED TIES TO TERRORIST SON BUT FAMILY STILL UNDER FBI INVESTIGATION

FATHER OF PRESIDENT SHOULD PULL OUT OF INTERNATIONAL CONSULTING FIRM

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, reacted with disbelief to The Wall Street Journal report of yesterday that George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm. The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice. (Other top Republicans are also associated with the Carlyle group, such as former Secretary of State James A. Baker.) The terrorist leader Osama bin Laden had supposedly been “disowned” by his family, which runs a multi-billion dollar business in Saudi Arabia and is a major investor in the senior Bush’s firm. Other reports have questioned, though, whether members of his Saudi family have truly cut off Osama bin Laden. Indeed, the Journal also reported yesterday that the FBI has subpoenaed the bin Laden family business’s bank records.

Judicial Watch earlier this year had strongly criticized President Bush’s father’s association with the Carlyle Group, pointing out in a March 5 statement that it was a “conflict of interest (which) could cause problems for America’s foreign policy in Middle East and Asia.” Judicial Watch called for the senior Bush to resign from the firm then.

“This conflict of interest has now turned into a scandal. The idea of the President’s father, an ex-president himself, doing business with a company under investigation by the FBI in the terror attacks of September 11 is horrible. President Bush should not ask, but demand, that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group,” stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.

“This has the potential of making ‘Billygate’ (Jimmy Carter’s brother’s dealings with Libya) look like small potatoes,” added Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

See "Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank," by Daniel Golden, James Bandler, and Marcus Walker, The Wall Street Journal, 9/28/01 (www.wsj.com, subscription required).

posted 01-14-2003 10:51 AM            

DARK SECRETS: INSIDE BOHEMIAN GROVE

Since 1873, the Global Elite Has Held Secret Meetings in the Ancient Redwood Forest of Northern California. Members of the so-called "Bohemian Club" Include Former Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan. The Bush Family Maintains a Strong Involvement. Each Year at Bohemian Grove, Members of This All-Male "Club" Don Red, Black and Silver Robes and Conduct an Occult Ritual Wherein They Worship a Giant Stone Owl, Sacrificing a Human Being in Effigy to What They Call the "Great Owl of Bohemia."

Before you just assume I've totally lost it. I've researched this on my own for over a year trying to disprove it. I DID NOT WANT TO BELIEVE IT, I SET OUT TO DEBUNK IT.

The man professes to be a Christian while maintaining luciferian ties and alliances.

posted 01-14-2003 11:23 AM            

Matthew 7:15-23

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

If it looks like a fish and stinks like a fish......

Bush is making a mockery of both Christianity and Paganism with his Skull Bones and Born Again duality, much like the Inquisitors in the 1400's and Nazi sympathizers going after "communists" in the 50's.

posted 01-14-2003 04:33 PM            

Please, don't paint everyone that speeks out against the new world order with a broad brush as kooks. Visit http://www.freedomabovefortune.com I know he was just an IRS federal agent.

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Freedom Above Fortune was founded by Joseph R. (Joe) Banister, a former IRS Criminal Investigation Division Special Agent who learned of serious constitutional questions relating to the federal income tax and the federal banking and monetary systems. Mr. Banister’s expertise in the fields of accounting, finance, taxation, and law enforcement enabled him to not only understand these issues but realize that he could play a role in bringing the issues into the public arena for analysis and debate.

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You might say, "what does this have to do with Bush and terrorism?"

Everything. http://www.libertythink.com/2002_12_01_archives.html

It took me almost two years to wake up. You're a bright guy do the research yourself then come back and tell me I'm wrong.

http://www.libertythink.com/2002_12_01_archives.html

Bush Policy's Newest Critics - Conservatives

from NewsMax.com
It's not the left that is sounding some of the harshest criticism against the president's tactics in fighting the war on terrorism, it's many of the nation's most solid Republican conservatives.

So says Michelle Goldberg, writing for Salon.com, claiming that "rock-ribbed" Republican conservatives are the "newest, most outspoken critics of the war on terrorism and Iraq."

While the administration isn't surprised when it's being assailed by left-wingers for what liberals claim are increasingly draconian assaults on civil liberties, it has been surprised by a similar chorus from more and more members of the traditional right wing. [...]

[...] Goldberg counts Lisa Dean, director of the center for technology policy at conservative Republican activist Paul Weyrich's Free Congress Foundation, as another conservative critic. Dean, she reports, warns that the administration's expansion of domestic surveillance programs is "antithetical to everything we stand for.

"I never thought I'd see conservatives running to the government to solve problems like they do now. That's just not conservatism to me," she says. "People look at Homeland Security, the USA PATRIOT Act, national I.D. cards and say, if that protects us, we'll go ahead. I never would have thought I'd hear conservatives say that," she says.

Had Clinton been president, Dean told Goldberg, conservatives would have "pulled together and fought" these initiatives, even after 9/11. Dean explained that many conservatives accept Bush's incursions on civil liberties as a matter of personality, not principle.

"Conservatives trust Bush," she said. "They think he wouldn't do anything to harm them, that everything he's doing is for a noble cause," she says. This personal affinity for Bush, she says, blinds her fellow conservatives to the massive structural changes taking place in government.

posted 01-14-2003 05:29 PM            

http://www.defendersoffreedom.org

posted 01-14-2003 09:21 PM            

quote:

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Terry McCauliffe

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I'm just right of Attila the Hun but globalist pricks are usurping our sovereignty, whether you choose to believe it or not. Wall Street Journal and World NetDaily are not leftist publications. These items were cross-referenced with others. I started out trying to debunk this info!

posted 01-14-2003 09:36 PM            

This is one of the most consolidated and non partisan explanations I've found.

How can people not see this truth as it is presented here. The lie has been exposed in many arenas but this is a simple explanation, I beg you to read this with an open mind. Do not take it a face value...explore further as I did. Once again I started out to debunk this whole NWO theory and thought process. I thought these people were nuts until I heard Joe Banister speak...found below..Mike Ruppert and others , do your own research!
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Freedom Above Fortune was founded by Joseph R. (Joe) Banister, a former IRS Criminal Investigation Division Special Agent who learned of serious constitutional questions relating to the federal income tax and the federal banking and monetary systems. Mr. Banister’s expertise in the fields of accounting, finance, taxation, and law enforcement enabled him to not only understand these issues but realize that he could play a role in bringing the issues into the public arena for analysis and debate.

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I can no longer deny the truth. How can you?

If you need more resources contact me privately. Two years of my life has been spent on this and I'm not the only one. There are many ex-intelligence officers, IRS federal agents, cops, and other disillusioned government officials that have came to the same conclusion I have.

posted 01-15-2003 01:09 AM            

screw that !

when folks start asking for money it turns me off...if he wanted to really get the info out he would make it free or a buck...22 bucks and he's makin' money...

I've been listening to brent for years now talk about the same stuff and he never asked me for a dime....so I keep listening...unless there is something I missed, I will not be visiting either of those sites again....(jones,libythink,etc)

after reading the links you provided I conclude that it is a bunch of leftist that hate bush...that want to create dissent amoungst the weaker in the country...through half truths and inflammatory rhetoric....

did you not see the vitrol regarding bush, the man, not what he is supposedly doing...get it ????

on top of all that I'm fairly certain jones is incorrectly attributing "molech" with the druids...

sorry...I'm not buying kook...I never heard of bush flying off to bohemian grove to worship owls and burn fake bodies...and as far as I'm concerned bush is a good man and doing good for this country...

and just for the record bin laden started his war against the US because the saudi government choose infidels (US) to remove saddam from kuwait...pissed him off royal...that's it...no covert cia mission...simply plain unadulterated muslim extremist hate for the US and our infidel ways...and maybe a bit of jealousy sprinkled in....

posted 01-15-2003 01:35 AM            

But not for much longer.

Be VERY careful with who you trust Seeker.

As for me, i am now 100% convinced you are unreachable even in spite of the fact of the MOUNTAIN of evidence implicating BUSH.

And Clinton.....

And Bush SR.....

I was actually beginning to believe you were reachable. But now I can see I was all wrong.

Even an Athiest would be shocked at the behavior of these people at Bohemian Grove who run our country. It's disgusting.I guess it's okay because they are otherwise "normal" right?Same for Skull and Bones?

I don't think so.

By the way..Hey FL...Seeker says AJ is just "out to make cash". I wonder why he has the ENTIRE 175 minute 9-11 movie online for FREE and gives people permission to make as many copies as they like? Hmmm.

I wonder why a few years ago when he started he only had 1 station and a few hundred listeners who for the most part all called him a kook for talking about the New World Order?

I wonder how he now has MILLIONS of listeners and is on Satellite, Internet, AM, FM, Shortwave and other platforms? Never getting any phone calls debunking him.

I don't think he did it by selling out to CNN,TIME WARNER or NBC. No,

He told the truth.

Which is exactly what people are starving for.

I'm sure most people who still have a mind left are tired of having lies SPOONFED to them by people like Hannity, Brokaw and O'Reily.

FIGHT THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!

posted 01-15-2003 02:37 AM            

what mountain of evidence mech ?

have you seen this video ?

can you see world leaders there ?

satanic rituals go on and have since the dawn of time...that's the real war there mech...I've explained this before but again you are stuck on and in the physical aspect of this...

all of this is just a distraction from the real agenda....

besides where were you when alex jones said the russians launched ICBM's towards the US ?

should we still believe him now 3 years later ?

posted 01-15-2003 08:02 AM            

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Parenti/Michael_Parenti.html

posted 01-15-2003 04:34 PM            

would you explain to me why a guy (laden) who has millions and access to billions would work for the cia ?

would you explain the gain in doing so ?

because I can't see it...

btw have you ever read limbaugh's books ?

posted 01-15-2003 06:18 PM            

I've also read "The Way Things Aren't" b y FAIR. I know, I know, left wing publication. They do point out many discrepancies in Limbaugh.

Did you ever read any of Parenti's works?

posted 01-15-2003 08:39 PM            

"What's at stake is a big idea, a NEW WORLD ORDER."

"Now we can see a new nation coming into view, the real prospect of a NEW WORLD ORDER"

G H W BUSH SEPT 11th 1991

"We are on the verge of a global transformation..It will only take a large scale disaster for the American people to accept the NEW WORLD ORDER".