posted 01-12-2003 09:17 PM            

They love to prop veterans up in an election year and wave the flag, or use them in a media spot but completely $#!+ on them in most all other respects.

I think THAT is the real tragedy.

posted 01-12-2003 09:36 PM            

Don't forget all the lovely VACCINE "collateral damage" victims.

IM SICK OF IT!!!!!

The people who are running the show (GLOBALISTS) are NOT...I repeat NOT, nice people.

That is why I don't understand for the life of me why most..if not all debunkers support a man like B*sh Jr. The NWO shill par exellence.

posted 01-13-2003 11:00 AM               

Wearing a uniform does not excuse murder.

I'm a veteran. I was in the military for 6 years.

It's not about leftists or rightists.

My friend, it's about being obedient to God. Do not kill. It's very simple.

Do not kill.

Let's all pledge our allegience to God and to God's law which is written across every human heart.

Refuse to kill for any reason.

Let's stop serving the darkness by convincing ourselves, through our own cleverly manipulated logic, that it's okay to kill people.

Follow the golden rule: treat others as you wish to be treated.

Wearing a uniform does not excuse violence.

We are a peaceful, peaceloving people.

Let's act that way.

posted 01-13-2003 01:17 PM            

You sound like the classic pacifist. And I agree to the extent that I would hate to ever kill anything. BUT, what about self defense? I'll run the typical hypothetical out to see if you are 100% pacifist;

If someone broke into your home and was threatening to kill a family member, would killing that person be justified in that case?

And, on a larger scale, is war ever justified? Let's say that by going to war, you kill a few persons who were intent on killing you and by doing so, you prevent thousands...even millions of dying at the hands of your enemy. Would war be justified for the greater good in this example?

posted 01-13-2003 01:23 PM            

That is what Bush's agression against iraq is all about. Period.

http://www.house.gov/paul/

posted 01-13-2003 01:58 PM            

It's funny, perople actually think this guy is a threat. What a joke. He tried ANYTHING Baghdad would be a sheet of glass I assure you.

This is ALL about making the elites even richer by stealing resources. Period.

Our leaders could care less if we get attacked. So much the better. It gives them an excuse to decalre martial law in this country and steal even more overseas.

"What is a stake, is a big idea, a NEW WORLD ORDER."

posted 01-13-2003 02:07 PM            

This is the reason for 99.9 % of wars, making the elite richer. Right now, the world has a lot more to worry about than Hussein's theoretical Nukes. Uncle Sam is the aggressor now. Imagine if a neighbor of yours is screaming fundamentalist insanity, and you know he/she is armed to the teeth. Would you feel nervous? This is exactly what we have now in BushLaden Productions. Crazed Christian and Muslim fundamentalists bringing us into their end of world scenario, whether we believe it or not. It's going to make for a more unstable world. Russia and China are not sitting idlely by. I believe they are more capable than the US media is letting us know.

Billy Joe,
As per your "pacifist" question. Personally, I do not even kill insects intentionally. I try to find a common thread even in the most disparate situations. However, if my family or myself was threatened by an animal or human, and one had to think fast, I probably would resort to deadly force. It is the most basic neural function.....Bio-Survival.

posted 01-13-2003 02:20 PM            

I'd say we have A LOT more to fear from China.

After all that is where most of our industries went.

I think that is the MODEL society for the globalists..Total tyranny.

posted 01-13-2003 02:24 PM            

No. And to say Rumsfeild sold Sadam any technology is false.

>>>>>>>It's funny, perople actually think this guy is a threat. What a joke. He tried ANYTHING Baghdad would be a sheet of glass I assure you.<<<<

If New York or LA disappeared in a mushroom cloud, and Sadam did not take credit for it, how would we know it was him and not the Al-Qaeda? Point is, Sadam would use a terrorist group that is not traceable back to him to deliver the nuke. We wouldn't respond with a nuke, unless we were absolutely sure that Sadam was behind it. Sadam was probably behind OKC. (Do you see the point?)

>>>>This is ALL about making the elites even richer by stealing resources. Period.<<<<

Your illogical and baseless opinion doesn't make it true. Basic logic tells us if it were about stealing resources, we would have kept Kuwait, and taken over Saudi Arabia (which your own chart shows as the largest supplier of imported oil). We would not buy oil from Saudi Arabia, we would just TAKE IT if your argument was true. ALL evidence points to the fact that this argument is bogus, however.

>>>>Our leaders could care less if we get attacked.<<<<<

Another ridiculous comment where absurdity speaks for itself and does not require my commentary.

>>>>>So much the better. It gives them an excuse to decalre martial law in this country and steal even more overseas.<<<<

Martial law has not been declared and we will be at war soon. Martial law was not declared during the first Gulf War. If it is not declared DURING this war, then will you promise to admit you are wrong? I'd say we'll know in less than a month now if martial law is declared or not. If not, then we have to consider all of your other arguments bogus as well. You will have NO credibility.

posted 01-13-2003 02:30 PM            

"----- And to say Rumsfeild sold Sadam any technology is false.-----"

FACT (1)
http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2002/msg02380.html

FACT (2)
http://www.counterpunch.org/boles1010.html

FACT (3)
http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewLetter.cfm?REF=971

"-------Your illogical and baseless opinion doesn't make it true. Basic logic tells us if it were about stealing resources, we would have kept Kuwait, and taken over Saudi Arabia (which your own chart shows as the largest supplier of imported oil). We would not buy oil from Saudi Arabia, we would just TAKE IT if your argument was true. ALL evidence points to the fact that this argument is bogus, however.------"

It's all about OIL and pipelines and elitists bank accounts.

FACT (1)
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/10/13/stories/05132524.htm

FACT (2)
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_52/b3763127.htm

FACT (3)
http://www.oilandgasinternational.com/departments/from_editor/10_29_01.html

>>>>Our leaders could care less if we get attacked.<<<<< (MECH)

"---Another ridiculous comment where absurdity speaks for itself and does not require my commentary.---" (Billy Joe)

Oh yeah?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/27/203251.shtml
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/sitting_on_theFBI.htm
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/ananova_CIA_backoff.htm
http://dir.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/09/12/bush/index.html
http://www.infowars.com/w199eye.htm
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,249997,00.html

HIJACKERS TRAINED AT PENSACOLA NAVAL AIR STATION
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Hijackers_trained_Bases.htm
http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/pensacola_link.htm

BUSH FAMILY AND THE BIN LADENS
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0141/gray.php
http://www.thestar. com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1006790798783&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_profits.htm
http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml

MORE??????

I'll be more than happy. I have a STACK of these articles.

"-----Martial law has not been declared and we will be at war soon. Martial law was not declared during the first Gulf War.-----"

You are a fool. It has secretly been decalred.

I offer the following.

HOMELAND SECURITY ACT

USA PATRIOT ACT

THE TOTAL INFORMTION AWARENESS OFFICE

OUR LADY OF PEACE ACT

MODEL STATES EMRGENCY HEALTH POWERS ACT

FEMA AMBER ALERT SYSTEM

TIPS PROGRAM

CITIZEN CORPS

MORE??????

posted 01-13-2003 03:01 PM            

"We wouldn't respond with a nuke, unless we were absolutely sure that Sadam was behind it. Sadam was probably behind OKC."

Where's the proof of Saddam behind OKC? This sounds like CNN/CIA spin. The left says McVeigh. The right says Saddam. The wheel slowly turns around.

"Your illogical and baseless opinion doesn't make it true. Basic logic tells us if it were about stealing resources, we would have kept Kuwait, and taken over Saudi Arabia (which your own chart shows as the largest supplier of imported oil). We would not buy oil from Saudi Arabia, we would just TAKE IT if your argument was true. ALL evidence points to the fact that this argument is bogus, however."

Let's see, where do we start: Vietnam, Angola, Chile, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, El Salvador, Panama, Iran, Native Americans, ad nauseum. There are NO MANUFACTURED BOOGY MEN IN SAUDI ARABIA.....YET.

">>>>Our leaders could care less if we get attacked.<<<<<

Another ridiculous comment where absurdity speaks for itself and does not require my commentary."

Assuming of course, you think our "leaders" do care about the common person. Uncle Sam is a pervert, a liar, and a murderer and all the relatives thought he was an outstanding citizen, as much as a priest.

"Martial law has not been declared and we will be at war soon. Martial law was not declared during the first Gulf War. If it is not declared DURING this war, then will you promise to admit you are wrong? I'd say we'll know in less than a month now if martial law is declared or not. If not, then we have to consider all of your other arguments bogus as well. You will have NO credibility."

Martial Law will be declared if another "attack" on America happens, be it staged or actual, and has nothing to do with CIA/Oil interventions in a defenseless country.

posted 01-13-2003 03:15 PM            

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Iraqis linked to Oklahoma City
Compelling evidence ex-Saddam soldiers directly involved in execution of '95 blast

Specter asks probe of Iraq links to WTC-Okla. attacks
U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter is calling for a probe into allegations of a possible Iraqi connection between the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City six years earlier.

Congressmen pick up pace of OKC bombing probe
Indiana congressman Dan Burton, as chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform, continues to push for an explanation of allegations that foreigners were involved in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

The Iraq Connection
With the Sept. 11 anniversary upon us and President Bush talking about a "regime change" in Iraq, it's an apt time to look at two investigators who connect Baghdad to two notorious incidents of domestic terrorism.

Congress has Oklahoma witness tapes
This article outlines the prior warning issued by the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare that corroborate the witnesses' testimonies who tie Middle Eastern accomplices to McVeigh and Nichols.

The FBI knew in '95, why didn't we?
Eleven months after Timothy McVeigh was put to death for the Oklahoma City bombing, a startling revelation has come to light.

Congress steps in to probe '95 bombing
Congress can no longer ignore the evidence that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had foreign help in blowing up the Oklahoma City federal building.

Congressional hearing to examine possible Middle East link
Representative Dan Burton, (R-Indiana) is planning to hold congressional hearings into whether a conspiracy, with Middle East connections, was behind the 1995 truck bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City.

A few questions before FBI agent exits
An FBI supervisor facing discipline for the bureau's failure to disclose thousands of documents to the defendants in the Oklahoma City bombing case is getting out of the kitchen while it's still hot.

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Missing evidence from Oklahoma City
The FBI doesn't want to talk about it, but the evidence keeps mounting.

The Middle Eastern connection to Oklahoma City
Ever since the country was savagely attacked on Sept. 11, the FBI has relentlessly investigated flight schools, airports, universities, mosques, Middle Eastern charities and Muslim communities, looking for connections to al-Qaida or other jihadist groups.

Are the OKC Bombing & 9/11 Linked?
Former CIA officer and Deputy Director of the State Department's office of Counter Terrorism outlined some of the links Jayna Davis discovered between the Iraqi suspects in OKC and the WTC attacks of 9-11 as a guest on the O'Reilly Factor (May 7, 2002).

Warning Before 1995 Oklahoma Bombing
Just weeks before Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995, U.S. intelligence and law enforcement received several warnings that Islamic terrorists were seeking to strike on American soil and that a likely target was government buildings, documents show.

Ex-CIA agent believes in a John Doe 2
Though the U.S. government clings to the notion that Timothy McVeigh, acting alone, set off the horrendous explosion on April 19, 1995, that pancaked the nine-story Oklahoma City federal building, a former high-ranking CIA official says there's solid evidence to indicate he worked with an Iraqi John Doe No. 2.

An Oklahoma Mystery
New hints of links between Timothy McVeigh and Middle Eastern terrorists

The Terrorist Motel
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Oklahoma City blast linked to bin Laden
Article dated March 20, 2001. Reporter Jayna Davis says FBI refused to accept evidence of foreign terror connection.

Oklahoma City linked to bin Laden
Article dated November 21, 2001. Soon after the fall of Kabul, journalists discovered two houses in an upscale neighborhood, one bearing the seal of the Taliban and the Ministry of Defense, where a lot of interesting documents, papers and notebooks had been left behind when the Taliban made their hasty departure.

FBI refused 22 witness testimonies
Evidence implicating Mideast connection created 'discovery problem'

FBI Refuses Evidence
Terry Nichols' defense attorneys argued Tuesday that prosecutors have ignored evidence favorable to Nichols because they would be legally obligated to share it with him.

OKC Bombing: Precursor to 9-11?
Evidence links the OKC bombing to Middle Eastern terrorists, and the failure of officials to examine this evidence in 1995 may have set the stage for the September 11th attacks.

posted 01-13-2003 04:43 PM            

Remember this.

If there isn't an enemy to fight...you have to manufacture one.

Right now they are moving to take our guns and disarm the American people,
(Our lady of peace act) which of course is unconstitutional.

I predict if this is done. it's all over for us.

posted 01-13-2003 05:42 PM            

then they all would gang up on us...doing business with the world is a necessary evil...but we still should seal the borders...

I do not buy for a minute the U.S manufactured saddam or any other delusional dictator...when saddam took power in 79' he executed 25 high-ranking members of his own baath party...as of this day he thinks he's the reincarnation of nebuchadnezzar....how do you know folks are nuts in the beginning ?

here's a quote for you people....

"keep your friends close...and your enemies closer"

btw "k" why don't you try bold italics....