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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County
Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-18-2003 11:41 AM
  
It seems it's NOT really about Hussein, but OIL! http://members.cox.net/informationclearinghouse/us_may_attack_iraq_even_if_saddam_gone_01_17_03.htm 
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the professor
exposing the mechanisms of evil
heartland USA
770 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-18-2003 12:21 PM
Saddam just redid a last minute oil deal with Russia, It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Hey seeker you think
N KOreas leader will actually listen to
China or maybe he has plans of his own.
The guy is out there, not the sharpest
tool to say, as far as us getting China
dependant on our money, I think they're
the ones making out, and some of the
corporations being cheap labor and all.
Most Chinese products suck, ever use tools
made from them? they break easily, don't
fit good and such. I'd like to see more
manufactoring here in the U.S. and bring
some jobs back here.
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-18-2003 12:32 PM
I agree with you Pro. Too bad our leaders don't think so. They are too busy feathering their own nests. Selling out our sovereinty and economic stagnation is the furthest thing from their minds.I think China and N. Korea are WAY more of a serious threat than U.S. CREATED dictator Saddam ever was. China is the the New World Order's ideal model country. Cheap labor, poor conditions, a vast beaurcratic, tyrannical government, no health care, no environmentl standards. How can we compete against that? We can't, and the NWO minions know this. It will be much easier to bring in a NWO if the US economy is imploded and we are on our economic knees. This has been their plan all along. You watch it happen after the next "terrorist"(CIA/MOSSAD) attack happens here. One thing IS certain. It won't be one from "islamic terrorists", just like SEPT. 11th wasn't.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-18-2003 08:23 PM
professor the guy is similar to saddam in that he too is a nut and a hermit...seen his hair...he looks like a oriental jim bakker...anyway...it's not what china says it's what they do...always has been...just like the saudi's...people really are not that different world wide...the good the bad and the ugly...and btw gas the "stability of the region" means oil old man.... did you see the stuff I posted regarding saddam and his war crimes ? that's just what we know about...the saudi's know about saddam...if they cared about human rights they would have been be more proactive a longtime ago... three things are true... saddam is a dangerous man with dangerous weapons saddam is a dangerous man with dangerous weapons that has used them before on civilian people saddam is a dangerous man with dangerous weapons that is dangerous to the satbility of the region (oil) take your pic anyone of those are true and a good reason to go... been watching the anti-war protest...and they are passing around a red bucket for money for the cause... wonder why that bucket is red ? edited to insert no I don't use chinese tools, snap-on or craftsman only...the "rubber" that china uses smells funny and does not come off easy...probably dead people in the rubber machine ( T-square dissidents)
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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too
249 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-19-2003 04:53 PM
The seeker wins argument, hands down.Why? Because he speaks truth, and the views of Swamp Gas, Mech and Kocky are pure ignorance. When truth and ignorance seem to conflict, there is really no argument. Truth wins every time. If oil were not even involved (which is no small factor, because the world's economy still depends on oil) we would still be at war with Sadam due to the fact that he presents a very real nuclear and WMD TERRORIST threat. North Korea does not represent as immediate a threat because they have declared their nukes and intention to manufacture them. Sadam has not, although his chief bomb maker Hamza has revealed before congressional committee that Sadam has very ambitious plans for a nuclear assembly line.
http://www.house.gov/hasc/openingstatementsandpressreleases/107thcongress/02-09-19hamza.html We have also intercepted components that could only be used for the manufacture of nuclear weapons. There is no doubt what Sadam's intentions are, and there is the very real possibility that he may already have at least one nuke. The fact that he has already shown perfect willingness to use weapons of mass destruction on his own people and the fact that he has kept all his WMD programs undeclared is evidence alone that they are not for defensive purposes. He plans to USE them!! N. Korea on the other hand, has disclosed to the world it's intentions to be a nuclear power. Sadam, armed with a nuke represents and immediate TERRORIST threat, and we wouldn't know he had a nuke until he used it on New York or LA. Heck, we wouldn't even know Sadam was responsible, because he will undoubtedly use a third party terrorist group to make the attack. It is obvious, for this reason that he represents the greater threat to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. North Korea, maybe even Iran is next on the list, but thanks to Clinton’s decimation of the US military we now have the ability to fight only one front at a time.
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-19-2003 05:08 PM
OMG....FREAKING LOL!!!!!  WOW! This really looks threatening. I'll bet this rocket could hit the U.S. in ten minutes. It must be a WMD. LOL! IN CASE ANYONE FORGOT...HERE IS THE REAL TRUTH......
500,000 Go to Street in DC March, including Gulf War vets
Gulf War Veteran Veterans for Common Sense
January 19, 2003 ... The Washington Post got it right today: more than 500,000 Americans questioned the current Administration's headlong rush to war against Iraq. This is an enormous expression of broad public opposition to the current U.S.-Iraq policy. And Gulf War veterans were honored and proud to exercise our freedom to speak out on this issue, and we know it is our patriotic responsibility to say more answers are needed before the U.S. launches a unilateral attack and invasion of Iraq without the support of allies or the approval of the United Nations ...
. Posted 1/19/2003 8:12:32
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org
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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too
249 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-19-2003 05:28 PM
You don't seem to get the fact that the whole idea that inspectors are actually going to find anything is sheer idiocy, Mech. Weapons inspectors are nothing but a feel-good show, so the UN can say, "see we did something". They are not actually for finding any weapons that Sadam doesn't want found. Sadam has quite an advanced system of moving weapons well ahead of any UN inspectors PUBLICALLY ANNOUNCED arrival (as satellite photos recently show). The fact is that weapons inspectors finding something or not finding something, has no bearing on what the truth is. They are irrelevant. Secondly, you didn't actually address the issue of Sadam as a nuclear terrorist if nothing is done, Mech. You are practicing ignorance in this case. You are ignoring what you don't want to hear. And because some protestors turn out, does not mean that majority of American's, and American military personnel don't see that war is necessary. The fact is that the majority does. In every war, there will be protests except when Clinton bombed the snot out of the Serbs to distract from impeachment. Around 2000 innocent people died in those bombings. Remember Monica's war? Where were your liberal protestors then?
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-19-2003 05:34 PM
Where is the PROOF that Saddam has nukes or ANY WMD?PROVE IT. Otherwise STFU.
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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too
249 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-19-2003 05:42 PM
We have circumstantial evidence such as components intercepted and testimony from defectors like Hamza. I just got through mentioning this.The actual evidence will come when Sadam nukes a US city. I guess that will be the only evidence that will convince you, eh Mech? In the meantime, we have ample reason to go to war now because Sadam has violated around 16 resolutions that were agreed to in order to end the first Gulf war. Given that those resolutions were never complied with, the first Gulf War has never ended. If you don't like hearing truth Mech, well that's your problem. But you are not going to change the truth by telling me to STFU. You are a practitioner of ignorance (and very good at it, I might add). 
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-19-2003 05:48 PM
Just as I thought. You have no SOLID proof."----The actual evidence will come when Sadam nukes a US city. I guess that will be the only evidence that will convince you, eh Mech?---" OH...You mean when the CIA nukes or dirty bombs an American city? You aren't fooling anyone Billy bob. Just the NEO-Cons.
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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too
249 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-19-2003 05:55 PM
You have just revealed the point I'm making Mech. No matter what happens, no matter what the truth is, you will blame the CIA over Sadam Hussein, a man known to have killed and tortured 10s of thousands of people (I think he's close to around 100,000) now. Did you see the bloated bodies of babies lying in the streets of Kurdistan, Mech the result of Sadam's gas? I'm guessing you probably weren't paying attention. You were too occupied with the idea that George Bush is the enemy. What a joke you are! 
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-19-2003 06:01 PM
Nah, BUSH is just a figurehead puppet for the Globalist NWO elite. So was Clinton.YOU are too ignorant to see that.
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the professor
exposing the mechanisms of evil
heartland USA
770 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-19-2003 09:24 PM
Yeah they were puppets or still are. Reality
is he's our President, nothing anyone can do
about it so we must live with it, but Saddam
on the other hand has showed his intentions
time and again. When it comes down to sides
I'll always favor the guy in charge of
representing my country. I hope we nail
Saddam's ass to the wall! I'm hoping we do
the same with N Korea. Clinton was known
for doing nothing which is why they moved
ahead of their nuke plans, they have
already threatened us when they are ready
to strike that they are more than willing.
It's time again in history to spread our
influence in regional stability.
Even if we have to kick some ass!
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-19-2003 09:25 PM
mech don't care about human rights, dead babies that were gased by saddam...decapitation...men and women buried alive.... they don't matter to him...because heza anarchist... he just cares about bringing the government down... what a joke he is...
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-20-2003 12:41 AM
You really don't know what's really going on Seeker.
Only what you get from the straight press.
The Globalists are totally playing you.
This government is not our own and should 100% be reformed and constitutional law restored.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too
249 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-20-2003 02:18 PM
>>>>This government is not our own and should 100% be reformed and constitutional law restored.<<<<<<
The way we do this in a representative republic is by voting, Mech. How would you propose to reform the government?
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County
Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-20-2003 02:19 PM
Seeker,
First of all PLAY NICE. You starting with the name calling again?
You say:
three things are true... saddam is a dangerous man with dangerous weapons saddam is a dangerous man with dangerous weapons that has used them before on civilian people saddam is a dangerous man with dangerous weapons that is dangerous to the satbility of the region (oil)
Here's my take:
three things are true... Bush is a dangerous man with dangerous weapons Bush is a dangerous man with dangerous weapons that has used them before on civilian people. Bush is a dangerous man with dangerous weapons that is dangerous to the stability of the region-The World (oil)
Both are correct....Bush and Hussein are dangerous men. End of Story.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-20-2003 05:06 PM
I didn't call anyone any names...tell me gas when did bush use vx gas on us ? when did he bury alive US citizens ? just work on those for me gas....
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County
Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 07:56 AM
Perhaps you believe the urban myth of Hussein gassing Kurds. Since you attempt to debunk with obscure articles, here's one for you. http://polyconomics.com/showarticle.asp?articleid=1920
Sinply put..Bush or someone on his team was knowledgable of CIA operative Bin Laden and his plans. So 3000 innocent Americans lost there lives. Too many links to substantiate this claim.
This is a no win debate. You will not convince me Bush is a decent human, and I'll not convince you he is a friendly facsist. The best we can do is to reinforce the opinions of people that see each others respective ways.
One question for you Seeker, if some of the people in CC like taunting and ridiculing people who disagree with them, isn't that kind of sadistic? It's like an atheist going to a Sunday Mass and yelling obsenities at the priest from the back. Now I don't like militant Christians trying to force their POV with laws, but I don't taunt them. I came to this board looking for answers, and all debunkers did was reinforce what I had suspected. If they attack me, I'll push back. Be nice, and we can at least be civil. Some people in CC even have the anal retention to believe they are 100% correct. If they were, they would be physically immortal, and living off the planet. Until that happens, we are in this together.
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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too
249 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-21-2003 12:49 PM
 I suppose the images of all those dead Kurdish people were just fakes as well? Amazing how American hating zealots like yourself, not only attack America and it's president, but defend an evil, murdering devil like Sadam with the lies and made up memorandums. You are a sick puppy, Gas.
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County
Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 01:55 PM
Thank you for the kind words Mr Facsist lover.
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David
Chemtrail Information Agent
1245 posts, Oct 2000
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posted 01-21-2003 02:15 PM
(6)U.S. Atomic Soldier
I was serving in the U.S. Navy as a fire-fighter. In July 1946, I took part in the atomic bomb tests carried out at Bikini Atoll. I observed an explosion about 30 km from the blast center. Ten hours later I was engaged in a work on the island where the bomb detonated. One month after the test, edema developed on both legs. I had to have my left leg amputated. One year later, I lost my right leg. My disease was diagnosed as "malignant lymphoma". Four years later, edema developed on my left arm. In two years, I was told that my left arm must be amputated. There are hundreds of thousands of atomic soldiers like me still suffering. John Smitherman
About 300,000 soldiers were made to take part in a series of nuclear tests conducted by the U.S. After detonation, they were ordered to rush into the area of the blast center or to engage in fire-fighting activities. In 1983, Mr. Smitherman died at the age of 54 of rectal cancer spread throughout his entire body.
John Smitherman, U.S. "Atomic Soldier" Photo: Rengo Tsushin
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County
Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 02:35 PM
Yes David,
I remember the lies by the government in the 50's...Brush your teeth with radium, or I'll put on radioactive face cream....it's safe..Your hair will fall out, but It'll grow back in a month. Now the government is much more sane, caring, and truthful!?!?!?
You see, people like BILLIE JO seem to think that dislike and mistrust of the GOVERNMENT is the same as hating the people of America. I see us as the true Americans, not aoplogists like him.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-21-2003 03:15 PM
distrust of the government is something all have to live with at times...but when you make it a way of life gas it becomes an obsession... the atomic soldier has "0" to do with the topic of this thread... billy's photo is 100% on topic... wreck someone elses thread david...
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County
Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 03:26 PM
It has all to do with the thread, Seek. Hypocrisy is the US government's middle name. I really love when the schoolyard bully, the US government, controlled by NWO, gets pushed back, and the Constitution is shredded by liberals and conservatives alike.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by swamp gas on 01-21-2003]
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