posted 01-16-2003 11:56 AM            

chemical weapons warheads found by UN weapons inspectors in iraq, iraq is banned from having chemical weapons and the delivery methods for them...this is a direct violation of UN sanctions...

here we go...

posted 01-16-2003 12:27 PM            

if you don't have anything constructive to add F/O !

posted 01-16-2003 12:36 PM            

I don't think he is a threat. In 1990 he might have been, but not anymore. Iraq shold be able to keep it's sovereignty just like the the US should keep hers.

posted 01-16-2003 12:48 PM            

"The warheads were in excellent condition and were similar to ones imported by Iraq during the late 1980s. The team used portable X-ray equipment to conduct preliminary analysis of one of the warheads and collected samples for chemical testing."

There was no immediate comment from the Iraqi side.

posted 01-16-2003 12:51 PM            

Pakistan is FAR more of a threat. So is North korea.

posted 01-16-2003 01:09 PM            

Convinced that President Bush is serious about invading Iraq, Arab leaders hope to avoid war by orchestrating a coup in Baghdad. Well-placed sources have told TIME that Saudi Arabia is vigorously pursuing a concrete plan to encourage Iraqi generals to overthrow Saddam and his clique.

posted 01-16-2003 01:11 PM            

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.N. weapons inspectors Thursday found a number of empty chemical warheads and another one that is still being evaluated, and the warheads are in "excellent condition," according to a U.N. spokesman.

Dimitri Perricos, the leader of the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) team in Baghdad, said the find is "not a smoking gun" that might indicate Iraq had violated U.N. resolutions.

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OMG!.....EMPTY shells!

NUKE '1M! NUKE '1M! Save the civilized world from the threat of empty warheads. There could be an empty warhead pointed at YOUR CHILD! Only godless pinkos have empty warheads! Who knows what could be put in an empty warhead. Mayonnaise! Old socks! "My Mother, The Car" reruns! HORRORS! HORRORS! HORRORS! (ahem) There's a war surplus place near here sells empty shells, warheads, emptied grenades, even shoulder launchers from missiles that the local military wannabes use to decorate their garages. I have an empty grenade stuck on a wall plaque with a numbered tag on the ring and a sign that reads, "Complaint Department, take a number". That doesn't mean these people who have these things are able or even want to use them against anyone else. They are empty. Nothing in them. Useless except as decorations or movie props. Ignoring the "we want war so bad we can't stop drooling" spin, what Blix seems to have found are some left-over empties from back when the US was selling chemical weapons to Iraq, and spin aside, empty warheads are NOT weapons, even with "My Mother The Car" reruns in them.

posted 01-16-2003 02:18 PM               

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Originally posted by Mech:
And your point is what?

Pakistan is FAR more of a threat. So is North korea.

It's all about OIL.

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IMO, N. Korea is certainly more of a threat. But I say the sooner we pump all the oil out of the mid east the sooner they will become insignificant. Ie. no oil, no money, no political clout. All good things.

posted 01-16-2003 02:29 PM            

Not only that, why should a bunch of people who have next to nothing die just to make the likes of people like Bush, Cheney and Rockafeller ten times richer?

posted 01-16-2003 02:44 PM            

can you help me with this one ?

btw mech those chemical warheads are from russia ! if they are old one's they were supposed to be destroyed...if they are new...why does he have them !

oh yeah...did rumsfeld work for russia ?

posted 01-16-2003 04:31 PM            

Examples of the international war crimes in Iraq

1. The crime of genocide committed against the Kurds in Kurdistan as well as other parts of the country. Also the forcible deportation of the Faily Kurds, who have become victims for their Shia belief.
2. Genocide against humanity such as using chemical weapons against the Kurds in 1988 and Shias in 1991.
3. Bombing the civil Kurdish villages, inhabitants of Najaf, Karbala, Basra, Simawah and Diwaniya as well as the villages in Iran.
4. Burying people alive. Hundreds of thousands of the Kurds in Iraqi Kurdistan and Shias in the south were buried alive. This is a war crime and does not fall by time. Moreover, the international criminal can not claim any political excuse for committing that crime and must not be granted any sort of asylum.
5. Executing prisoners of war and burying them alive is an international crime and the accuser must be prosecuted as a war criminal.
6. Torturing the prisoners of war and interrogating them by force is a war crime.
7. The crime of violation against women which was committed in Kurdistan and in Kuwait during the occupation.
8. 10 Millions of mines, which the Iraqi regime has implanted against people in Kurdistan.

posted 01-16-2003 06:00 PM               

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Originally posted by theseeker:
hmmm...kocky...I'm trying to figure out how n.korea could hold the worlds oil supply hostage like saddam has the potential of doing ?

can you help me with this one ?

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I could have worded that a little better. No, N. Korea can't hold the oil supply hostage. But they are a bigger threat to the world that Iraq.

posted 01-16-2003 11:26 PM            

saddam thinks he's the re-incarnated king nebuchadnezzar....or something like that...I don't know what would be more dangerous than a nut with nukes or chemical weapons....but that's just me I guess...

used to storm chase a bit but I got these right out my back door a couple weeks a part...tell me what you think....

posted 01-17-2003 11:11 AM            

Friday January 17, 8:53 PM

Saddam warns of "suicide" for US "invaders"

Under threat of a fresh US-led assault on the 12th anniversary of the Gulf War, Saddam Hussein warned that the United States faced suicide if it were to invade Iraq.

"The people and rulers of Baghdad have resolved to compel the Mongols of this age to commit suicide on its walls," Saddam said in a clear reference to the United States.

"And for this, we have prepared our plans and muster our strength at the level of the army, people and leadership, after placing our reliance on God," the Iraqi strongman said in a speech marking the 12th anniversary of the outbreak of the Gulf War.

The speech comes as the United States and Britain step up deployment of forces to the Gulf region in anticipation of a strike to topple Saddam Hussein's regime, which stands accused of possessing and developing weapons of mass destruction.

Meanwhile, angry scenes of protest greeted UN experts leaving for another of inspections in Iraq on Friday, a day after they found 11 empty chemical warheads at a munitions dump.

At least three convoys of white vehicles carrying inspectors were seen driving out of their Baghdad headquarter through a cordon of Iraqi security forces, AFP photographers said.

Several hundred Iraqi journalists had massed outside the Canal Hotel to protest the anniversary of the 1991 Gulf conflict that saw a US-led coalition expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait after a seven-month occupation.

"Down, down Bush!", "We will never abandon Iraq and Saddam Hussein!" chanted the protestors, many holding portraits of Saddam and waving Palestinian and Iraqi flags.

"Iraqi journalists renew their allegiance to beloved President Saddam Hussein in commemoration of the immortal battle of Umm al-Maarik," or "Mother of All Battles," the Iraqi terminology for the Gulf War, they shouted.

The journalists' union called on UN chief Kofi Annan to "intervene to put an end to the actions of some inspectors who violate the sanctity of universities, houses and institutions that have nothing to do with mass destruction weapons and previous programmes of armament."

Experts from the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) resumed arms inspections in Iraq on November 27.

On Thursday they found 11 empty chemical warheads at an Iraqi munitions dump, but the Iraqis claimed they were not linked to any prohibited weapons.

UN spokesman Hiro Ueki said the empty missile warheads, found in one of a large group of bunkers built in the late 1990s, appeared in "excellent condition" and were undergoing X-ray and chemical analyses.

He would not comment on the significance of the find by the UNMOVIC team, saying the warheads were "similar to ones imported by Iraq during the late 1980s."

But a UN source said on condition of anonymity that the discovery, at the Ukhaider Ammunition Storage Area 70 kilometres (37 miles) south of the southern city of Kerbala, was "not a significant issue by itself."

The US government said it was not surprised at the discovery.

"Chemical munitions were one of the major areas we said was unaccounted for" in Iraq's weapons declaration to the United Nations in December, said State Department spokesman Richard Boucher. "So I'm not too surprised."

"It's a further piece of worrying information, because these shells are prohibited shells under the UN resolution," Australian Defence Minister Robert Hill said for his part.

US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was meanwhile weighing whether to send up to four additional aircraft carrier groups to the Gulf as the next stage of a burgeoning military buildup.

And Pentagon officials confirmed reports that anti-missile Patriot missile batteries and some 800 US Marines were in Israel, a prime target for Iraq's scud missiles during the 1991 Gulf War.

UNMOVIC chief Hans Blix, in Brussels to brief European Union officials, said he expects the UN Security Council to ask for a second report on Iraq in February amid US moves to hold arms inspections to a tight timetable.

Blix is scheduled to present a first progress report to the Security Council on January 27 -- seen up to now as a crucial date after which the United States could act on its threat of war against Iraq.

Both Blix and IAEA counterpart Mohamad ElBaradei, who head for Iraq this weekend for talks with the leadership, warned Baghdad it was not doing enough to prove it no longer had banned weapons.

US President George W. Bush meanwhile reiterated his growing impatience with Saddam Hussein.

"At some point in time, the United States' patience will run out," he said in a speech in Pennsylvania.

And on the home front, the United States was bracing for anti-war protests this weekend, with organisers claiming hundreds of thousands of activists would descend on Washington and other cities.

Germany Defence Minister Peter Struck, however, told Friday's regional daily Rheinpfalz that it was "fundamentally no longer conceivable" for Germany to vote in favour of military action against Iraq at the UN Security Council.

Germany, which became a non-permanent member of the Security Council on January 1 and takes over from France as its president on February 1, has so far studiously refused to say how it would vote on any possible resolution authorising a strike against Baghdad.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/030117/1/36lp4.html

posted 01-18-2003 01:49 AM            

and well good professor...I'm glad you agree...but one thing at a time though...the chinese are the trump card in the mix refering to n.korea...and you'd figure they would side with a fellow communist country...but it has always bugged me why "we" send so much commerce chinas way...and I think I know why...to get them economically dependant on our money...it does sway political opinion you know...just watch what the saudi's do in the coming days...

posted 01-18-2003 11:39 AM            

Not according to that slightly right leaning, Time Magazine

Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?

North Korea 8.3 %
Iraq 9.5 %
The United States 82.2 %

Total Votes Cast: 228202

http://www.time.com/time/europe/gdml/peace2003.html