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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 01-22-2003 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well that's funny coming from you mech who seems to enjoy seeing his name in EVERY DAMN POST ON THE BOARD !

you butt in continually...doesn't matter where...

it's not vets butthead IT'S YOU !

and don't ever tell me what to do...a person that sux off the tit of the government and critisizes the government in the same breath is a worthless piece of shit...

you called me a liar a few weeks back regarding the commies funding your little peace movement...I proved it debunked the shit out of you and you can't stand it...

your a commie anarchist pig...

now go take on the day

btw I got 50 bucks says the U.S will never be under martial law for an indefinite period of time...I got a hundred that says the constitution will always be the governing document of this country...I got 500 that says that mech will (providing he lives this long) be sitting in a rest home 30 years from now on the government dime still saying the NWO is coming...

any takers ?

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
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posted 01-22-2003 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL! You are acting like a little _itch.

Posting his name on every thread on the board?

Uh... NO...I.E. WRONG.


"it's not vets butthead IT'S YOU !"

I'm a Vet...which means me.

"--and don't ever tell me what to do...a person that sux off the tit of the government and critisizes the government in the same breath is a worthless piece of shit...---"

Find ANYWHERE where I stated I was on unemployment or welfare? Go ahead.

Layed off yes. How I pay the bills now are NONE of your buisness. I assure you it's not gov. What a joke. I wouldn't be able to live on that anyway.


"you called me a liar a few weeks back regarding the commies funding your little peace movement..."

MY peace movement? What? I have never been to a peace protest. As far as "commies" funding the protests...oh well get over it. They wern't the only ones. Are you stating that everyone who opposes Bush's war in Iraq is a commie? Keep dreaming.

"I proved it debunked the shit out of you and you can't stand it..."

No, I was unaware that "commies" funded it. You are losing your head. There are more than "commies" involved..I PROVED that.

"your a commie anarchist pig..."

No...AGAIN, I am 100% a Constitutionalist 100% against the NEW WORLD ORDER.

now go stay out of this argument

"btw I got 50 bucks says the U.S will never be under martial law for an indefinite period of time...I got a hundred that says the constitution will always be the governing document of this country...I got 500 that says that mech will (providing he lives this long) be sitting in a rest home 30 years from now on the government dime still saying the NWO is coming..."

Keep dreaming



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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 01-22-2003 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nobody backstrokes like you mech...

and I'm not the only one who noticed your propencity for posting in every forum...

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum15/HTML/000008.html


this thread was started by me and I'll post on it when ever I damn well please...

btw...layed off is unemployed...dolt...not recognizing the obvious is probably why you were layed off...that and all the anti-American horsehit you sputter...

your a vet ? prove it...

but you won't because you can't...you have proved nothing to me so far other than your a complete imbicile...

you side with foreign nations over the U.S

you attack the president with unfounded hearsay and lies daily

you don't even have common sense or decency to tell folks on this board what you know as a aircraft mechanic regarding issues that concern chemtrails...

which means you ain't no vet

you ain't no mechanic

you ain't nobody

and that's why your so damned angry...

you have earned my extreme dislike though...

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Mech
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posted 01-23-2003 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because the TRUTH hurts.

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the professor
exposing the mechanisms of evil


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770 posts, Jan 2003

posted 01-23-2003 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the professor   Visit the professor's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK here we go again, Seeker I know where your coming from. I understand that mainly the left and all communist, socialist are behind the antiwar movement. The communist
was a subject I studied indepth and is very
chilling to hear their (meaning members of
Russian government) statements regaurding
their plans to take us over from within.
Russia was a main factor in the United Nations forming. Their way is keeping their
friends close and their enemies closer.
Jeff Nyquest who has columns written in
Newsmax has extensive research like I've
never seen before, He documented since
before 1954 many quotes on their intentions.
Funny to see where we are today.
Martial law will never be enacted for a
lenghty time I would think again on that one,
It's going to take something way bigger than
911 to invoke it though. As far as the
constitution is concerned, It's been heavily
chipped away at for 70 years now. We see the
gun groups trying to find anyway possible to
repeal the second amendment. I think we can
all agree to that one, next we have the privacy issues, also the right to free speech. So yes our constitution is being
attacked. Why else so many ammendments?
It's only a matter of time It's the document
that had God's blessing attached before we
trappled it with our apathy, pride, greed,
self centeredness and immorality.
I'm telling you guys read the comunist
manifesto and the constitution, you'll see
what we really are, and just a little
refresher here....
CONSPIRICY......
A plot, a treasonable combination
trying to say that this never happens?

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Mech
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Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 01-23-2003 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seeker is too busy licking Bush's booty hole to see what's really going on.

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the professor
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heartland USA
770 posts, Jan 2003

posted 01-23-2003 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for the professor   Visit the professor's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah but I thought I made some really good points, so simply put a child can understand.

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 01-23-2003 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes professor you have made some good points especially the one about supporting and taking car of our own before the rest of the world...

the UN is as crooked as the day is long and will never do anything about saddam or momar or any muslim extremist...now if they were Christians like milosevic well they would try and convist but the UN is satisfied with exile for saddam...how convienent...

I don't like any of the privacy infringements any more than the next guy...but what mech and others seem to forget is that the worst and most of the terrorist laws will expire in 2 years...they are temporary...that means not permanent mech...

as long as people stay involved in government and keep an eye on what's going on they can't change anything...for the extreme worse....

finally mech it's not what you call the truth that has earned my dislike...it's you...you are incredibly blind...I knew publically about chemtrails the issue 4 years before you...I knew about the illuminatti 2 years before you...and I've known about bandwagon activists type people like you all my life...

is that clear enough for ya ?

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Mech
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3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 01-23-2003 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only thing you have more info on than me is the chemtrail issue. PERIOD.

Iv'e been a survivalist and NWO researcher since 1993. Bill Cooper ring a bell?

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 01-23-2003 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sure...he the guy jay reynolds used to work for...one of the oldest links on my site...

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 01-23-2003 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) is a front group for the communist Workers World Party. The Workers World Party is, literally, a Stalinist organization. It rose out of a split within the old Socialist Workers Party over the Soviet Union's 1956 invasion of Hungary -- the breakaway Workers World Party was all for the invasion. International ANSWER today unquestioningly supports any despotic regime that lays any claim to socialism, or simply to anti-Americanism. It supported the butchers of Beijing after the slaughter of Tiananmen Square. It supports Saddam Hussein and his Baathist torture-state. It supports the last official Stalinist state, North Korea, in the mass starvation of its citizens. It supported Slobodan Milosevic after the massacre at Srebrenica. It supports the mullahs of Iran, and the narco-gangsters of Colombia and the bus-bombers of Hamas.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5694

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posted 01-23-2003 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what. That NEO-CON writer has an axe to grind. I'm much more afraid of Bush than a bunch of kids and civilians waving signs.
Who has the power? Certainly not the kids.


YOU LINK BILL COOPER TO YOUR SITE YET HE HATED BUSH SR!!!!! ARE YOU A FREAKING IDIOT?

YOU ARE A SHILL.

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE NWO



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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
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posted 01-23-2003 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
actually I linked it to my site because I'm open minded on things...I'm a do not throw the baby out with the bathwater type dude...I did not agree with everything cooper said namely UFO'S but he hit the nail on the head in other areas...

you said something to the effect of " just because we critisize bush we are commies "

well just because I linked cooper to my site does not mean I'm a freakin paranoid nut like you mech....

gotcha !

oh and QUIT SCREAMIN' AT ME !

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posted 01-23-2003 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
comment and a cut and paste for mech !

the best quote is where the speakers opened their remarks up with "We have to stop America's war against the people of Iraq, and the people of Palestine, Colombia and the world." LOL>..this was not a peace rally it was a publicity rally for all the scourge special interest orgs on the planet...I still think it was not just happenstance that they were passing around a "RED" bucket for donations....

America Under Siege
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | January 20, 2003


America's enemies within turned out in force on Saturday in Washington DC and San Francisco under the auspicies of the Communist Workers World Party operating under its front organization, A.N.S.W.E.R. Once again the demonstrators pretended to be peace activists, who found violence abhorrent and a willing media played along with the charade. Neither the New York Times nor the Los Angeles Times nor any media I saw identified the organizers as Communists who have a long record of support for world terror and its leaders including the Ayatollah Khomeini, Kim Jong Il, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.

As reported by the unfiltered cameras of C-Span, the pretense, in fact, was pretty thin. One of the featured speakers was a spokesman for the narco-terrorists in Colombia who opened his rant (all the speeches fell into this category) with, "We have to stop America's war against the people of Iraq, and the people of Palestine, Colombia and the world." America is supporting the government of Colombia against a brutal communist guerrilla force that has been waging civil war there for half a century. Come to think of it, America's enemies in Palestine are the terrorist organizations Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the al-Aksa Martyrs terrorist brigade. And in Iraq, there is a dictator who has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of his own people and has attempted to swallow the country of Kuwait. The spokesman for the Colombian narco-terrorists was quite candid (and why not, since he knows that the American media will present him as a "peace activist" anyway). "As revolutionaries," he said to the crowd, "as progressives, we have to resist American imperialism."

Then came Imam Mussa from the mosque Masjid al-Islam,. Like most of the cast assembled by A.N.S.W.E.R. the Imam had also been a speaker at the Millions For Reparations March last August -- which was more about denouncing America as a racist, imperalist monster than making a case for compensation for any specific injustices (See my report, "Reparations Buffoons On The Washington Mall."). Here is a sample of the rhetoric at that March from Malik Zulu Shabazz (one of the few who was not at the "peace" event): "The President wants to talk about a terrorist named bin Laden. I don't want to talk about bin Laden. I want to talk about a terrorist called George Washington. I want to talk about a terrorist called Rudy Guiliani. The real terrorists have always been the United Snakes of America."

When he got going, the Imam Mussa dotted the i's and crossed any t's that the narco-terrorist spokesman had missed, telling the crowd that the regime change they wanted was in Washington not Bagdhad, and that they really didn't want a regime change at all. "We 're calling for a System change," he said. Revolution. "We won't get any justice as long as that criminal Congress is up there. We're calling for revolution. It's revolution time, brothers and sisters. We have to get rid of greedy murderers and imperialists like George Bush in the White House." The Imam then led the crowd -- are you ready for this -- in the chant the suicide bombers use as they blow up innocent men, women and children -- Allahu Ahkbar! Allahu Ahkbar! Allahu Akhbar!"

Democratic NY City Councilman and former Black Black Panther Charles Baron was also a speaker at the Millions for Reparations March, where he announced he needed to assault a white person for his "mental health." On this occasion he kept his racism in check, but not his rhetoric. "If you're looking for the Axis of Evil," he raved, "then look inside the belly of this beast." He went on to attack America's "monopoly capitalists" (a technical term which veterans of the left will recognize as the mark of Communist and Maoist sectarians) who of course were the puppeteers pulling the President's strings.

Damu Smith, head of "Black Voices for Peace," returned to Baron's theme and made it specific. “Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld," he said, "that’s the Axis of Evil.”

Larry Holmes "co-founder" of the sponsoring organization who also hosted the Millions for Reparations March, then led the crowd in chants to free two convicted murderers, Mumia Abu Jamal and Jamin al Alamin (H. Rap Brown). This was a set-piece also during the Millions for Reparations March.

It would be reassuring if one could report that a single speaker or face in the televised crowd dissented from the stew of anti-American, anti-white, anti-Jew hatred or the violent incitements, but not one did. The crowd relished the show and was in total sympathy with the message.

Another striking fact about this march in support of global terrorism was the presence of prominent Democrat officials on the platform. In San Francisco, the most powerful Democrat legislator in the state John Burton screamed, "the President is full of shit" and that the President was "fucking with us," while encouraging the general sentiment that America rather than Iraq was the outlaw state. In Washington, Democratic hopeful Al Sharpton attended and DC ex-congresswoman Cynthia McKinney read a speech with the following claim: "In no other country on the planet do so many people have so little as they do in this country." This from a person who notoriously commandeered a taxpayer-funded limousine to take her from her townhouse one block to her congressional offices every morning.

More disturbing by far was the presence of two of the most powerful Democrats in Congress, the potential head of the Ways and Means Committee, Charles Rangel and the potential head of the Judiciary Committee John Conyers, who is of course the author of the Reparations Bill and the icon of the Communist organizers of both marches. Rangel's appearance was especially troubling because he has been a nightly face on TV news shows presenting himself as a patriot and a veteran (he served fifty years ago in Korea) who wanted a military draft so that all America would be invovled in the nation's defense. His critics thought he had other agendas, like using conscription to sabotage the war effort. Apparently his critics were correct.

Americans who care about their country and its future should think about the following. This anti-American pro-terrorist movement is now larger than the anti-Vietnam pro-Communist "peace" movement was until the very end of the Sixties. Yet there is no draft. Before the draft the anti-Vietnam movement was very very small. Its demonstrations were numbered in the hundreds of participants, not even the thousands. The first big manifestation of the anti-American left was the Stop the Draft March in Oakland in 1965, which was four years after America's involvement in Vietnam got serious.

The second thing Americans should think about is the fact that this anti-American support movement for America's enemies has deep roots in the Democratic Party. I am a firm believer in the two-party system. I find it extremely worrying, therefore, that one party can no longer be trusted with the nation's security. This problem will not be easily fixed. But it won't be fixed at all unless attention is drawn to it, and we cannot do that unless we stop the charade of calling this a "peace" movement and recognize instead that it is anti-American movement to divide this country in the face of its enemies and give aid and comfort to those who would destroy us.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5620

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Mech
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Northeast USA
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posted 01-23-2003 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are "open minded" only when it suits your agenda. This much is certain. You are still an IDIOT for putting that link on your site.

It also makes you a hypocrite.

gotchya...

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 01-23-2003 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cooper's info on the oklahoma bombing is very interesting...if you do not see this your blind...and you are mech...blinded by hate...

got a link to redelk over there too...and you could use some of that....

your brain is toast man

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Mech
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Northeast USA
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posted 01-23-2003 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You certainly hate free speech don'y you. Kinda reminds me of the John ashcrofts in this country. Anyone who criticizes America is a "commie" Right seeker?

Hitler would have loved you.

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Northeast USA
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posted 01-23-2003 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK was done by Al Husseini, Mc Veigh and the CIA.

The BATF officers were tipped not to come in to the Fed Building the day of the bombing via their pagers.


WHO needs schoolin'?

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 01-23-2003 03:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
your full of shit I'm 100% convinced that michael breshia in jail now for terrorist crimes is john doe number 2...I posted a pic comparison at mav's of the two and there's NO DOUBT....

there is also bin laden, central command ties as well...a reporter for channel 4 news lost her job over the deal and she has proof...that was never used by the FBI...

you don't know it all mech...hubris is your biggest fallacy...

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posted 01-23-2003 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope this was a FED job just like Sept. 11th.

Just like WACO

Just like 1993 WTC attack.

YOU are the one full of $#!+.

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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 01-23-2003 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
shithead in the hours days and weeks following I was living in OKC...

you don't know what you don't know...

your information is fake flawed and propaganda on both counts...

your sick boy....you are mccarthy~ism....

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posted 01-23-2003 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oklahoma City bombing John Doe No. 2?

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Posted: November 9, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Notra Trulock
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com


In 1995, the worst act of terrorism on American soil, prior to the 9/11 disaster, was committed in Oklahoma City.

On April 19, terrorists blew up the Murrah Federal Building and killed 168 Americans and wounded scores more. Not long after the bombing, Timothy McVeigh was arrested about 60 miles east of Oklahoma City and a few days later Terry Nichols surrendered to police in Herrington, Kansas. With those arrests, the Justice Department shut down any further investigation into who had committed this awful crime.

But like the Kennedy assassination, many Americans remained deeply skeptical about the government's assurances that McVeigh and Nichols acted alone in this horrible crime. And for good reason, as it seems that the FBI ignored important investigative leads, failed to interview potentially significant witnesses, and destroyed the Murrah building before experts could examine the crime scene.

The involvement of a John Doe No. 2 in the bombing has remained a simmering controversy. Skeptics ask why the FBI canceled an all-points-bulletin for a Middle Eastern male subject or subjects fleeing the scene issued in the immediate aftermath of the explosion. Numerous eyewitness accounts have identified Middle Eastern males in the company of McVeigh in the days and weeks before the bombing.

Dr. Frederic Whitehurst's allegations against the FBI crime lab sparked a Justice Department investigation that found the lab had provided "inaccurate pro-prosecution testimony in major cases including Oklahoma City." Retired Air Force General Benton K. Partin, an explosives expert, disputed the FBI's theory that the damage to the Murrah Building was caused by a single truck-bomb. His analyses were later endorsed by numerous physicists, physical chemists, and experts in structural mechanics as well as a series of live tests conducted at Eglin Air Force Base. These are just some of the lingering questions about the 1995 bombing.

Beyond covering McVeigh's execution and the FBI foul-ups that delayed it, the mainstream media have devoted little effort to digging into any of these questions. Concerned citizens have had to go to Internet media outlets like WorldNetDaily and NewsMax or be on the lookout for the occasional investigative report in obscure outlets like the Los Angeles Weekly or the London Evening Standard. In early September, the Wall Street Journal did one column on its editorial page about possible Iraqi involvement in Oklahoma City and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, but seemed to lose interest after that.

One columnist who has refused to let the story die is James Patterson, an editorial writer at the Indianapolis Star. Patterson was one of the first to report a potential crack in the wall of silence erected around the Oklahoma City bombing by the government and the elite media.

Twice in recent months, Patterson has reported that Chairman Dan Burton's House Government Reform Committee investigators have uncovered the possible whereabouts of videotapes and photographs of the Murrah Federal Building from the day of the bombing. The Final Report of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee noted the existence of such tapes, but the Justice Department has adamantly refused to release them, even in response to Freedom of Information Act requests.

Burton believes that the tapes and photographs may be held in the archives of Naval Intelligence at the Washington Navy Yard and he has issued a subpoena to the Secretary of the Navy to obtain them. The tapes are said to contain video of a John Doe No. 2 getting out on the passenger side of the Ryder truck just prior to the explosion.

Former FBI Deputy Director Weldon Kennedy told the Philadelphia Inquirer that talk of withheld videotapes is "ludicrous and insulting." Kennedy says that agents nailed down "98 to 99 percent" of McVeigh and Nichols' movements in the months before the bombing and he is absolutely convinced they acted alone. Cate McCauley, who worked on McVeigh's appeal, goes beyond Kennedy and charges that talk of Middle Eastern men helping McVeigh is "perhaps the worse case of misinformation and pandering" she has come across. The allegations, she says, are easily refutable and those who promote them are "standing on the graves of thousands of people."

A quick, easy way to resolve the controversy over John Doe No. 2 would be to simply release the videotapes and photographs and let the American public judge for itself. Release the tapes and bring this case to closure. The victims of the Oklahoma City bombing deserve nothing less.


This article is from 1993 about the Iraqi resettlement.

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Los Angeles Times
August 24, 1993

IRAQ POWS PAID TO RESETTLE IN U.S.; LAWMAKERS PROTEST
By RICHARD A. SERRANO


The United States has begun resettling in this country up to 4,000 Iraqi soldiers who surrendered during the Persian Gulf War, an effort that has drawn criticism from a coalition of congressmen who believe the prisoners are receiving special treatment never awarded returning American soldiers.

The U.S. government is paying between $4,000 and $7,000 to relocate each of the enemy prisoners -- and in some cases their family members. They have been classified as refugees who would be harmed by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein if returned home.

The Iraqis are being scattered in small numbers to communities in California, Florida and elsewhere where they will have access to job opportunities, housing and federal social service programs. It is precisely that special consideration that has irked a bipartisan group of 75 members of Congress who are urging President Clinton to deny the refugee status to the Iraqi soldiers. "This is an incredibly bizarre set of priorities," said Rep. Cliff Stearns, a Florida Republican who sits on the House Veterans Affairs Committee.

"This nation's priorities regarding war veterans should be focusing on those who served in the American uniform, first and foremost," he said.

Added Rep. Earl Hutto (D-Fla.): "Given the choice, I would rather see that $4,000 go to one of our own veterans and not the people that were shooting at us."

Although prisoners of war are almost always sent home immediately after hostilities end, the situation this time represents a complicated and tangled footnote to an American war that was immensely successful.

This time, the enemy does not want to go home, preferring to embrace its foe.

By war's end, almost 110,000 enemy soldiers were taken to two camps in Saudi Arabia. The vast majority of them had been captured by United Nations coalition forces. They eventually were repatriated to Iraq under the auspices of the International Red Cross after Saddam Hussein issued a general amnesty.

But 4,000 remained in the camps. Most apparently had surrendered after reading leaflets dropped by U.S. planes that guaranteed their safety.

The government of Saudi Arabia has been housing them temporarily in the camps, along with 25,000 Iraqi civilians who fled their homes during the fighting and another 10,000 so-called freedom fighters who fought with the coalition against Hussein.

In early 1992, according to the State Department, it became clear that conditions in Iraq precluded the safe return of many of the 4,000 Iraqi soldiers and other refugees. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees concluded that other solutions, such as resettlement in other countries, had to be found.

Along with the United States, Sweden, Denmark and Norway also agreed to accept some of the camp refugees.

"These people are refugees under U.S. law," said a State Department official, who asked not to be identified. "They have been persecuted or have well-founded fears of persecution in their country.

"And the United States has a history of providing humanitarian assistance. I don't think all of these men were pointing rifles and shooting at U.N. coalition soldiers. A lot of them defected long before the ground war even started."

Many of the 4,000 soldiers were forced to join the Iraqi army or face death for refusing to enlist, he said.

"Most of the Iraqi solders were conscripted, and the coalition forces encouraged them to surrender," the State Department official said. "We dropped leaflets all over encouraging them to drop their arms, come over and we would take care of them."

Clinton Administration officials said that many of the Iraqi military prisoners were able to help the coalition forces in many ways during the war, such as providing information about Iraqi troop strength and maneuvers.

According to a State Department memorandum sent to congressional offices skeptical of the resettlement program, "many of those persons had provided valuable services to U.S. forces in the aftermath of the conflict."

The memo also said that since 1992, about 1,000 ex-soldiers and some of their family members have been brought to the United States. In addition to California and Florida, they also are resettling in Texas, Michigan and Illinois. The State Department would not name specific relocation sites.

Before entering the United States, they must be cleared by the FBI. They also must sign a promissory note to reimburse the U.S. government for their transportation costs after they become self-sufficient in America, a transition that government sources said usually takes about a year.

But under the government's Refugee Assistance Program, they are entitled to free help from a wide array of sources.

They can receive cash and free medical assistance if they have no financial resources of their own. They also are eligible for job training and English language schooling.

Many in Congress see the effort as an affront to the U.S. military, noting that returning Gulf War veterans did not receive such assistance. In a letter they plan to send to Clinton after seeking more signatures from members in Congress, those opposing the effort noted that the resettlement of Iraqi POWs ultimately could cost American taxpayers up to $70 million.

They expressed concern that many of the ex-soldiers could pose a safety threat to U.S. citizens despite the FBI clearances, pointing out that with international terrorism already hitting the United States, this "raises serious questions concerning our national security."

"This potentially dangerous and unfair policy can be stopped. We feel it is not wise to continue a policy that could eventually threaten the safety of our citizens and government officials," the letter said.


This is a BBC transcript showing BUSH SR. WAS BRINGING ARABS TO TRAIN in the U.S.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm

PALAST:
Newsnight has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections between the State Department, the CIA and the Saudis. The former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah is Michael Springman.
MICHAEL SPRINGMAN:
In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence.
PALAST:
By now, Bush Sr, once CIA director, was in the White House. Springman was shocked to find this wasn't visa fraud. Rather, State and CIA were playing "the Great Game".
SPRINGMAN:
What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets. ===========================================
Here is a radio interview about the Iraqs at the OKC Bombing.
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Radio interview with David Shippers,the man who impeached Bill Clinton qoutes http://www.infowars.com/transcript_schippers.html Mp3 available there also.

In this interview, "Iraqi Terrorists" refers to the Iraqi Republican Guard, resettled after the Gulf War, near Oklahoma City by former Pres. Bush.Sr.

In this interview, "Iraqi Terrorists" refers to the Iraqi Republican Guard, resettled after the Gulf War, near Oklahoma City by former Pres. Bush.Sr.


AJ: Wouldn't touch it. So we've got all this developing. We've got police officers and FBI on the ground who know who bombed Oklahoma City. They've got them in custody with blue jogging suits and bomb-making components. They are ordered to release them. All of this is unfolding - 3500 to 5000 Iraqi Republican Guard (living near OKC), we know there is a Saddam/Iraqi connection here - I mean they knew this. Why in the world, David Shippers, did they allow this to take place?

DS: She was an investigative reporter working for a TV station in Oklahoma City at the time of the bombing.

AJ: And they had these very middle-eastern Bin Laden, Saddam minions, interviewing these guys.

DS: Yes, absolutely. She identified by the name the guy who was the one. Recently, she came up with some evidence that another guy there actually admitted that he was part of the World Trade Center bombing. He's still walking around. I mean they are taking people into custody, they are offering rewards, but these guys are still there and still doing their little thing.

AJ: That's the point I'm trying to make. The government has their names, knows who the cells are, the 3500 Iraqi....

DS: I don't know if they do because when Jayna had all this material.. I'm talking about 3 giant loose-leaf binders full of affidavits and other material. This woman did a job of investigating that would make the Massad look bad.

AJ: The New York Times came in and bought up her TV station and got rid of her.

DS: Well, they bought up the TV station and got rid of her and also tried to make her turn over notes and films and stuff like that but she beat them court. She's still got them.

DS: Yea, Clinton made that statement. And they had a handy guy in McVeigh. I also know from affidavits that I have read that there were eyewitnesses who saw the middle eastern man running from the scene (OKC bombing) along side McVeigh.

AJ: And why don't the feds just release those 12 surveillance camera tapes if it is just McVeigh alone?

DS: Those surveillance camera tapes are going to show that there was a middle eastern man running with him. Some of these people who gave affidavits were interviewed by the FBI during the course of the investigation. They were interviewed about the second person that they saw and the agents tried to make them say or suggested to them that the second person was Nichols. Every single one of these people said absolutely not, it was a middle-eastern type individual.

AJ: Al Hussani (sp)

DS: Now, listen to this. None of those investigative reports; none of those 302s have ever surfaced. So the FBI comes up with all these thousands of documents which they claimed they overlooked but the key ones where they tried to get them to say it was Nichols never surfaced


Here is one more story about the name of a resettled republican guard that was associated with the OKC Bombing
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http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39d6eb725dac.htm

Khalil was the employer of a man who had been named as a Middle Eastern suspect in the OKC bombing, Al-Hussan Hussani, investigated by KFORTV of OKC. Hussani had served in Sadam Hussein’s Republican Guard in Iraq around the time of the Gulf War and is believed to have been brought to the US by Clinton over the objections of POW family members and some US Senators. KFORTV alleged that Hussani’s time card had been forged to make it appear that Hussani was not at the bomb site at 9 am on April 19, 1995.

KFORTV was sued by Hussani with the help of Khalil and the former law associate and campaign contributor of OK governor, Frank Keating. Hussani’s suit against KFORTV was officially ruled against and dismissed by Federal Judge Tim Leonard on September 29, 2000. At least one or more of KFORTV’s reporters still stands behind the story that Hussani helped McVeigh before and at the time of the bombing.

There is strong suspicion that Khalil and Hussani were known to our government before the OKC bombing and that Richardson was taken off the investigation of Khalil, Hussani’s employer, after the bombing to coverup the government’s foreknowledge and role in the OKC bombing. This also may have been a contributing factor in Richardson’s death, regardless of whether it was murder or suicide.

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theseeker
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Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000

posted 01-23-2003 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for theseeker   Visit theseeker's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there's no proof of anything there man you will just buy anything...gawd this is really so sad and funny at the smae time...

the only truth in there is that jana davis has 21 affidavits...the person that wrote that was obviously not a professional reporter because people as key and important to the story as jana davis would not have had their name mis-spelled...

there's a ton of middle east connection involved with OKC bombing...pick up steven jones book...you dolt....

breschia is john doe #2...

and you are an idiot...

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Mech
Resisting the NWO


Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002

posted 01-23-2003 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NOPE...AL HUSSAINI.

FED WHACK JOB...JUST LIKE SEPT.11th

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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too


249 posts, Jan 2003

posted 01-23-2003 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Billy Joe McAllister     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm going to have to agree with Seeker on this one. Mech is wrong about 99.825% of the time. That's just something that anyone can verify for themselves.

I think maybe Mech would find that he’d be more useful as a human shield strapped to one of Sadam's buildings. At least, there he would have some other purpose in life than the whining, American-hating leach on society he appears to represent now. He would be honestly serving what he believes in, while at the same time fighting against America and Bush with more than his ignorant words. I’ll even buy you a one way ticket to Bagdad on Holy Jihad Airways, Mech. Whadya say?

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