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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-21-2003 03:45 PM
   
this one's for all the brothers and sisters out there who love this country....THE “PEACE” MOVEMENT ISN'T ABOUT PEACEBy David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | January 21, 2003
The "Peace" Movement Isn't About Peace...
It’s about carrying on the left’s war against America. When your country is attacked, when the enemy has targeted every American regardless of race, gender or age for death, there can be no "peace" movement. There can only be a movement that divides Americans and gives aid and comfort to our enemies. In his speech to Congress after 9/11, the President said: "We have seen their kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th Century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions, by abandoning every value except the will to power, they follow in the path of fascism, Nazism and totalitarianism." The so-called "peace movement" today is led by the same hate-America radicals who supported America’s totalitarian enemies during the Cold War. They marched in support of the Vietcong, the Sandinista Marxists and the Communist guerrillas in El Salvador. Before that they marched in behalf of Stalin and Mao. They still support Castro and the nuclear lunatic in North Korea, Kim Jong-Il. They are the friends in deed of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. What prompts American radicals to make common cause with such monsters? The answer is obvious: They share a common view of America as the "Great Satan." They believe that it is America – not tyrants like Saddam Hussein – that inflicts misery and suffering on the world. The targets of the 9/11 terrorists were Wall Street and the Pentagon. These were the targets of American radicals long before. In the perverse minds of the so-called "peace" radicals, America is the "root cause" of all the root causes that inspire the terrorists to attack us. "America is to blame for what is wrong in the world. The enemy is us." Today, as we battle the Axis of Evil which threatens us with weapons of mass destruction, these familiar mantras are rising on college campuses from coast to coast. Just as they did in the Cold War past. During the Cold War, the radical "peace" movement bullied right-thinking Americans into silence. Our government lost the ability to stay the course in the anti-Communist war. The result was the Communist slaughter of two-and-a-half million peasants in Indo-China after the divisions at home forced America to leave. Once again, the hate America left is attempting to silence right-thinking citizens. It is attempting to divide the home front in the face of the enemy. Even as we go to war. It is stabbing our young men and women in the back even as they step into harm’s way to defend us. It is attempting to paralyze our government again and prevent it from securing the peace. We can’t afford to let this happen. The time has come for those who love freedom and who appreciate the great bounties of this nation to stand up and be counted.
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County
Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 03:58 PM
Horowitz, a former "Hippie" that did get enough piece of a..
He even believes that Communists are still hiding under mattresses.
Horowitz counts "more than 1,000 Israelis killed as a result of Palestinian attacks" between 1993 and 1999. Numbers of victims are always an effective argument, but they should be handled with care: by miscounting the dead the writer may undermine his own rhetoric, as he himself may look more interested at making a point than in human lives. The true number of victims, as counted by an Israeli right-wing site not suspected of a bias downwards, is 395.
Horowitz claims that, "During the same period 1993-1999 Israelis were so desperate for peace that they reciprocated these acts of murder by giving the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza [...] 95 percent of the territory their negotiators demanded." In fact, the Palestinian negotiators consistently demanded what all UN resolutions did: the territories occupied in 1967. Horowitz surely knows that they have been given a Bantustanian autonomy not in 95 percent, but in approximately 13 percent of these territories.
Horowitz assures us that "when a deranged Jew goes into an Arab mosque and kills the worshippers (which happened once) he is acting alone and is universally condemned by the Israeli government and the Jews in Israel and everywhere, and he is punished to the full extent of Israeli law." In fact, the "deranged Jew" he refers to, Baruch Goldstein, found his death during the massacre he committed, so he was not punished at all. Israel regularly punishes dead Palestinian fighters by destroying their family home or by punishing the entire village; but Goldstein's house was left untouched, and his settlement, 400 Jews who terrorize the entire Palestinian city of Hebron, was not dismantled, though such a measure enjoyed an overwhelming support in Israeli opinion polls after the massacre. Most Israelis indeed condemned the crime, but "acting alone" can hardly be said of a murderer whose municipality built a large memorial park for his followers, who come to pray at his grave, or for the hero of the biography titled Praised be the Man, a popular book in extreme right-wing circles.
Horowitz mentions "three Arab leaders assassinated by other Arabs for making peace with the Jews." In fact, the only Arab leader who made peace with Israel and was assassinated was Egypt's President Sadat. Even this assassination (by Moslem radicals) had very little to do with the peace treaty he had signed. Actually, the only leader in the region who was unambiguously assassinated because of peace talks was Yitzhak Rabin, murdered by a Jew; Horowitz has "forgotten" this case.
Horowitz claims that in 1978, "under the Camp David accords that Sadat signed, Israel returned the entire Sinai with all its oil riches. This act demonstrated once and for all that the solution to the Middle East conflict was ready at hand. It only required the willingness of the Arabs to agree." Not exactly: it also required the willingness of Israel to agree. In fact, President Sadat had offered peace to Israel under the same conditions back in 1971; Israel rejected the offer, Egypt and Syria launched the 1973 war, and only after that (and after 2,500 Israeli casualties) did Israel accept the very terms it had rejected earlier.
Horowitz claims that "At the moment of Israel's birth [...] there were 800,000 Arabs living in Israel alongside 1.2 million Jews," implying that Jews were a majority. As every Israeli knows, the number of Israeli Jews at the time was just 600,000. This means that ethnic cleansing had to take place in order to create a Jewish majority; and it did. Saying that the Arab refugees who had fled the Israeli slivers "did not return" is an impressive euphemism for the Israeli policy of shooting dead thousands of refugees who tried to return, thus creating the refugee problem. The Palestinian insistence on the right of return for them is hardly a "newly created demand," as Horowitz claims: actually, it is the very demand of Security Council Resolution 194 dated 11 December 1948.
Horowitz claims that "Israel had every right to annex these territories captured from the aggressors – a time-honored ritual among nations." Both the alleged right and the "honored ritual" reside exclusively in Mr. Horowitz's excited imagination, reflecting maybe the laws of the jungle or of the Wild West, but not international law and custom. I challenge Mr. Horowitz to find an international law that allows a nation to annex territories it has taken by force (the "aggressor" label is ridiculous: every nation in history defines its enemies as such), or to give even a single example since World War II of a nation anywhere on the globe that moved its international border by force even by a single inch and got away with it.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-21-2003 04:00 PM
attack the messenger gas ? not the message ?hmmmm...
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County
Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 04:10 PM
Are you saying yourself or Horowitz? It's Horowitz that is a phoney. We agreed to keep it clean between us, and agree to disagree.
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County
Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 04:21 PM
Horowitz has the same concept. If you dislike the "leaders" of America, you hate everything about it. I believe that you and I agree there's something wrong, but digress on the cause.
Marxist Sandanistas? How about murderous Contras?
You see, The US has a horrible record. Chile, Angola, Vietnam, Iran, Columbia, and Cambodia. From an overview, Russia, China, Israel, and The US are horrible human rights violators. People here think it's OK because, they can still watch the football game, buy beer, own a firearm, raise a family, and work a job. The underpinnings of US policy are atrocious.
I told you before, I don't like liars and hypocrites on the left or the right. The next couple of years will be interesting as this NWO created battle of liberals and conservatives unfolds further. What techniques do you think each side will use to capture the soul of the nation?
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 04:26 PM
Don't you see what Seeker is implying Swamp?We must be with Al Qaida if we disagree with Whore-o-witz. LOL! Commies? The NEO-CONS are the real commies in this country. THEY are the big government PIMPS.THEY are the ones selling this country away to China and the UN. By the way Seeker, nice cut and paste. It's easy to dismiss a group of people who against this war as "commies", or "hippies", just like during the Vietnam war. What this schmuck fails to understand is the fact that at this last protest nationwide, there were people of ALL WALKS OF LIFE protesting this WAR FOR OIL. How do I know do you ask. People marching in the protest drinking Mc Donalds coffee. Activist do not drink McDonalds coffee. Cowboy hats, activists do not wear cowboy hats. People drinking Starbucks...activists do not pay $3 for a cup of coffee. Whore-o-witz is a numbskull. I'd pay to see the look on his face the day the whole 9-11 charade is revealed...and by my estimates, that will happen this year. I'll bet the guy will $#!+ himself on the spot. LOL! Stupid is as stupid does.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Mech on 01-21-2003]
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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too
249 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-21-2003 04:32 PM
Here we see Gas once again desperately grasping for straws, avoiding points made, making false accusations, believing his/her own lies. It really is pathetic Gas. You are one of the true anti-Americans. Your every comment illustrates that you are exactly the type of person that Horowitz is referring to...the "hate America left". If you don't epitomize the "hate America left", well, I don't know who does, except perhaps Mech. I may be wrong but I don’t think even Mech is this bad. I wonder if your views represent the forum moderator's?
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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too
249 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-21-2003 04:34 PM
Wait a minute...now I must modify some of my comments here. Maybe Mech is just as bad! 
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-21-2003 04:39 PM
I have a ball game to go to gas...but I was inferring horowitz, I respect him because he did not change parties the parties changed on him...now the reason we get along gas is that although your ideas for the most part are certainly not mine, you keep it civil and so will I... 
mech you dumbass that's what horowitz was trying to say...it's not a peace movement it's all kinds of filth from all walks gathering under a false premise...gawd your an idiot....and my cut and paste was under a 8 1/2 by 11...ok ! and mech I'll speak for myself thank you...
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 04:41 PM
I guess we're Un-American if we question the Bush agenda right Seeker?
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-21-2003 04:44 PM
you are certainly...I HAVE TO GO !!!
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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too
249 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-21-2003 04:47 PM
>>>>>I guess we're Un-American if we question the Bush agenda right Seeker?<<<<<<
Not at all Mech, I question the Bush agenda myself in many of the areas you brought up.
You are just part of the blame America first crowd because you ignore truth and won't consider explanations other than it's the fault of "evil" America. That makes you anti-American.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Billy Joe McAllister on 01-21-2003]
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 04:52 PM
That's where you have it WRONG.I'm a Constitutionalist. I don't blame America for anything. I blame this illigitimate, world banker controlled, treasonous GOVERNMENT that is a shill for the NWO for all of the problems.
Including the deliberate acts on 9-11. Get it straight.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mech on 01-21-2003]
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Billy Joe McAllister
Muppets are people too
249 posts, Jan 2003
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posted 01-21-2003 04:55 PM
There is no NWO Mech.9/11 was a deliberate act by satanic Muslim terrorists. Get it straight.
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swamp gas
Bird Man of Hudson County
Jersey City, NJ
779 posts, May 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 05:01 PM
Mech,
This guy/gal/assorted other, BILLIE CLUB, is a full fledged idiot. Wasn't it George HW Bush, Gary Hart, Kissinger, Hitler, Dan Quayle, Goebbels, and others that used the New World Order quote? I guess not, BILLIE GOAT says no, and he's a true American, and a harbinger of TRUTH, and we're not.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-21-2003 05:08 PM
on my way out one thing I forgot...mech's blame crowd...
 sickening...
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 05:11 PM
"What is at stake is a big idea, a NEW WORLD ORDER..."GHW BUSH SEPT 11th 1991
HENRY KISSINGER NWO QUOTE:
"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis by original compiler], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
GARY HART--US CANDIDATE FOR PRES. 2004
"Hart acknowledged during his speech that creating this NEW WORLD ORDER would require a
major shift in Americans' way of thinking." ============================================= "We are so used to the concept of the nation-state that we can't think differently," he said. "We must begin to think differently."
A quote from Washington Times, June 7, 1998
"Being a Nazi was "politically correct." They called themselves "The Children of the New Age of World Order" and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler acquired more power, he referred to his critics as "The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred." Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary." Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a "New World Order." No new world order agenda? YEAH RIGHT.
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 05:13 PM
He can burn the flag if he wants to.THAT TOO is guaranteed in THE CONSTITUTION.
Doesn't mean I agree with it.
I sense some frantic desparation on Seekers part.
He knows that more than half the people in the U.S. are against George W. Bush.
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FLKook
Chemspiracy Realist
East Central Florida
1388 posts, Apr 2001
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posted 01-21-2003 06:21 PM
quote:
That's where you have it WRONG.I'm a Constitutionalist. I don't blame America for anything. I blame this illigitimate, world banker controlled, treasonous GOVERNMENT that is a shill for the NWO for all of the problems.
Including the deliberate acts on 9-11.
Barely have time to read posts let alone compose one of my own...this will suffice. (sorry for the rip, Mech) Keep up the real fight for Americans and our constitutional republic...Yes Virginia there is a NWO. Down with HR 124!!! Hatton Gibson has been exposing and opposing them for over 50 years.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by FLKook on 01-21-2003]
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 09:51 PM
Yep...the TRUTH is there if you want to find it.Too bad so many people are afraid of it.
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-21-2003 11:29 PM
yep yep and the peacenik movement is part and parcel of the NWO...
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-21-2003 11:33 PM
LOL!Keep dreaming.That's like saying the 1999 Seattle Protesters against the NWO World Trde Organization were a bunch of NWO shills. Sorry...doesn't wash. Did you send your check to Whore-o-witz yet Seeker?
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-21-2003 11:56 PM
exactly ! you take poor uneducated unskilled doped up teen to 30 age group...in other words people who have no where to go nothing they can do, abscence of goals in life and feed their minds full of hate speech...and viola you have modern day peacenik !see the hippies had a positive message... todays peaceniks message is absent of any positive message...if there is any message at all... and of course the real meaning your missing is simple...try to stay with me mech... weaken the US...look at who has been funding the peace rallies, did you watch the protest this weekend...lot of damn muslims there...now why would they care ? because they have a vested interest in keeping the status quo...why does the UN want saddam to stay in power ? because they have a oil for food deal that they cash big mega checks on...france has a deal with iraq...germany...russia...am I getting through ? is this thing on ? we are the only country that stands in the way of a global UN controlled world... you better wake up...
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Mech
Resisting the NWO
Northeast USA
3907 posts, Sep 2002
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posted 01-22-2003 12:28 AM
"---todays peaceniks message is absent of any positive message...if there is any message at all...Bull $#!+.. They re fed up with a corrupt government and corporations that loot people and get away with it.They are tired of unconstitutional laws being passed. You are so full of it Seeker. The dollar is shrinking. Want to know why? It's ALL part of the plan to bring us to our knees.
Want to know why Bush is sending so many troops everywhere (not just Iraq) away from the United States? So a staged "attack" will happen here while they are gone. Martial law will be declared and after that...bedlam. This is their plan. Gary Hart said it. The CFR said it. You are a fool to think the protesters are going to affect anything the Bush regime has planned. It's going to be too late when you finally figure it out. You're aiming your anger at the wrong target.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mech on 01-22-2003]
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theseeker
One moon circles
Damnit...I'm a doctor jim
3297 posts, Jul 2000
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posted 01-22-2003 02:12 AM
clearly mech you either refuse to see the truth or are just plain ignorant...I'm not sure at this point but below is a list of those who are pulling your chain....and before we get to that...answer me this why all the communists supporting this anti war effort ? why sudan why north korea why all the muslims and of course why the PLO...why mech ? here's the sponsor of the peace rallies... http://www.internationalanswer.org/
funded by communists around the world...
http://www.workers.org/ http://www.cpusa.org/ http://www.workers.org/wwp.php http://www.wsws.org/
hillarious how it's the same hate speech your throwing around ain't it !
Other Coalition-Member Sites international answer: American Muslims for Peace & Justice Anti-Imperialist League California Prison Focus Center for the Comparative Study of Law and Society Charlotte A.N.S.W.E.R. Chapter College Voice for Free Tuition and Open Admissions (College of Staten Island) - email Committee to Free the Five Cuban Political Prisoners The Cuba Advocate Newsletter Green Party, USA International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal Jews Against The Occupation National Lawyers Guild
Network in Solidarity with the People of Guatemala Partnership for Civil Justice Paul's Justice Page Raise the Fist (shut down by FBI 2/2002 - 3/2002, back online) Sakhi for South Asian Women School of the Americas Watch Simmons College Feminist Union Soccorso Popolare Stop the War Coalition - UK Sudanese American Society Texas Death Penalty Aboltion Movement TransgenderWarrior.org Vanguard Public Foundation Veterans For Peace Vietnam Veterans Against the War - Anti-Imperialist steering commitee for international answer : Partnership for Civil Justice - LDEF
Nicaragua Network
Bayan - USA/International
Korea Truth Commission
International Action Center
Muslim Student Association of the U.S./Canada
Kensington Welfare Rights Union
Mexico Solidarity Network
Middle East Children's Alliance
supporters of votenowar.org :
The National Lawyers Guild
Dr. Hans Christof von Sponeck (former director of the UN Oil for Food Program)
Ramsey Clark (former U.S. Attorney General)
Rev. Jesse Jackson, Sr.
New York City Labor Against the War
Patti Smith
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (Dem., Georgia)
Black Voices for Peace
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton (Auxiliary Bishop, Catholic Archdiocese of Detroit)
Rev. Herbert Daughtry, National Pastor, House of the Lord Pentecostal Church
Rev. John Dear
Rev. Graylan Hagler (Sr. Minister, Plymouth Cong. Church)
Global Exchange
Howard Zinn
The Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation
Green Party USA
Charles Barron, NYC City Councilmember
IFCO/Pastors for Peace *
Free Palestine Alliance *
Partnership for Civil Justice - LDEF *
Bayan USA-International *
Nicaragua Network *
Muslim Student Association of the US/Canada *
Korea Truth Commission *
International Action Center *
Kensington Welfare Rights Union *
Middle East Children's Alliance *
Mexico Solidarity Network *
* A.N.S.W.E.R. Steering Committee
good reading on who ramsey clark really is : http://www.shadow.autono.net/sin001/clark.htm
larger list of endorsers :
http://www.internationalanswer.org/campaigns/j18/endorsers.html
get a grip...you've been had...
[Edited 1 times, lastly by theseeker on 01-22-2003]
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