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Mech
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posted 01-25-2003 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Subject: Bush and Rumsfeld are becoming unglued.

Bush and Rumsfeld are becoming unglued. "An angry Rumsfeld, who backs Bush without question, is said to have told the Joint Chiefs to get in line or find other jobs. Bush is also said to be “extremely angry” at what he perceives as growing Pentagon opposition to his role as Commander in Chief. “The President considers this nation to be at war,” a White House source says,” and, as such, considers any opposition to his policies to be no less than an act of treason. Sources within the Bush administration, the Pentagon, the FBI and the intelligence community indicate a deepening rift between the professionals who wage war for a living and the administration civilians to want to send them into battle.”

From: Capitol Hill Blue CHB Investigates. . . Role reversal: Bush wants war, Pentagon urges caution By DOUG THOMPSON Jan 22, 2003, 01:18

Senior Pentagon officials are quietly urging President George W. Bush to slow down his headlong rush to war with Iraq, complaining the administration’s course of action represents too much of a shift of America’s longstanding “no first strike” policy and that the move could well result in conflicts with other Arab nations.

“We have a dangerous role reversal here,” one Pentagon source tells Capitol Hill Blue. “The civilians are urging war and the uniformed officers are urging caution.”

Capitol Hill Blue has learned the Joint Chiefs of Staff are split over plans to invade Iraq in the coming weeks. They have asked Secretary of State Donald Rumseld to urge Bush to back down from his hard line stance until United Nations weapons inspectors can finish their jobs and the U.S. can build a stronger coalition in the Middle East.

“This is not Desert Storm,” one of the Joint Chiefs is reported to have told Rumseld. “We don’t have the backing of other Middle Eastern nations. We don’t have the backing of any of our allies except Britain and we’re advocating a policy that says we will invade another nation that is not currently attacking us or invading any of our allies.” Intelligenced sources say some Arab nations have told US diplomats they may side with Iraq if the U.S. attacks without the backing of the United Nations. Secretary of State Colin Powell agrees with his former colleagues at the Pentagon and has told the President he may be pursuing a "dangerous course."

An angry Rumsfeld, who backs Bush without question, is said to have told the Joint Chiefs to get in line or find other jobs. Bush is also said to be “extremely angry” at what he perceives as growing Pentagon opposition to his role as Commander in Chief.

“The President considers this nation to be at war,” a White House source says,” and, as such, considers any opposition to his policies to be no less than an act of treason.”

But conversations with sources within the Bush administration, the Pentagon, the FBI and the intelligence community indicate a deepening rift between the professionals who wage war for a living and the administration civilians to want to send them into battle.

Sources say the White House has ordered the FBI and CIA to “find and document” links between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

“The implication is clear,” grumbles one longtime FBI agent. “Find a link, any link, no matter how vague or unproven, and then use that link to justify action against Iraq.”

While Hussein and Iraq have been linked to various terrorist groups in the past, U.S. intelligence agencies have not been able to establish a provable link with bin Laden’s al Qaeda forces.

“There may be one,” says another FBI source. “There should be one. All logic says there has to be one, but we haven’t established it as a fact. Not yet.”

Pentagon planners privately refer to the pending Iraq conflict as a “Bush league war,” something that may be fought more for political gain than anything else.

“During Desert Storm, the line officers wanted to finish the job, wanted to march into Iraq and take out Hussein and his government, but President Bush and JOC Chairman (Colin) Powell pulled the plug on the operation,” says one Pentagon officer. “We had our chance. We had the justification. We had the support. We don’t have it now.”

Some Pentagon staffers point to last weekend’s antiwar rally in Washington, where they say the crowd included many veterans of Desert Storm.

“This wasn’t just a bunch of tree huggers and longhairs marching,” says Arnold Giftos of Huntington, West Virginia, who served in Desert Storm and who came to march. “Go to any meeting of veterans groups in this country and you will see serious discussion on whether or not we should be getting into this war.” Reporters covering the marches on Saturday and Sunday say they counted about 500 marchers among the 30,000 who carried signs or other items identifying themselves as veterans.

“I served in Vietnam,” said Robert Brighton of Detroit, who marched in Washington. “I supported Desert Storm. I don’t support this. It’s madness.”

In addition, Capitol Hill Blue has learned that both House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist have told the White House that they have “increasing” numbers of Republicans in both Houses raising doubts about the war.

“Nobody in the party wants to come out publicly and tell the President he’s wrong,” says one Hill source close to the GOP leadership, “but we don’t have the kind of unity we need on this thing. It could blow apart on us at any time.” Public support for a war with Iraq is also slipping.

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NOW THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT!!!

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FLKook
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posted 01-25-2003 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Mech, could you post the source link for this? Thanks.

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Mech
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posted 01-25-2003 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooops, sorry...

Here ya' go.
http://www.american-blue.com/artman/publish/article_1587.shtml




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Mech
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posted 01-25-2003 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Rarely is the question asked...is our children learning?"

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FLKook
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posted 01-25-2003 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FLKook     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool. Thanks. Wanted to pass this on but didn't want to do so without source.

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Mech
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posted 01-26-2003 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem. Let's keep the pressure on these tyrants!

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swamp gas
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posted 03-16-2004 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
March 15, 2004

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/03/ana04004.html


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Rumsfeld Caught Lying, Yet Again, On "Face the Nation." But This Time, a Journalist Actually Threw It In His Face.

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

Thanks to David Sirota of the Center for American Progress for spotting and forwarding this excerpt in which Rumsfeld is caught in a brazen lie by Bob Schieffer of CBS. Sirota also suggests seeing this [LINK] for further proof of Rumsfeld's lie on "Face the Nation."
Excerpt from "Face the Nation":

SCHIEFFER: Well, let me just ask you this. If they did not have these weapons of mass destruction, though, granted all of that is true, why then did they pose an immediate threat to us, to this country?

Sec. RUMSFELD: Well, you're the--you and a few other critics are the only people I've heard use the phrase `immediate threat.' I didn't. The president didn't. And it's become kind of folklore that that's--that's what's happened. The president went...

SCHIEFFER: You're saying that nobody in the administration said that.

Sec. RUMSFELD: I--I can't speak for nobody--everybody in the administration and say nobody said that.

SCHIEFFER: Vice president didn't say that? The...

Sec. RUMSFELD: Not--if--if you have any citations, I'd like to see 'em.

Mr. FRIEDMAN: We have one here. It says `some have argued that the nu'--this is you speaking--`that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent, that Saddam is at least five to seven years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain.'

Sec. RUMSFELD: And--and...

Mr. FRIEDMAN: It was close to imminent.

Sec. RUMSFELD: Well, I've--I've tried to be precise, and I've tried to be accurate. I'm s--suppose I've...

Mr. FRIEDMAN: `No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world and the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.'

Sec. RUMSFELD: Mm-hmm. It--my view of--of the situation was that he--he had--we--we believe, the best intelligence that we had and other countries had and that--that we believed and we still do not know--we will know.

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posted 03-16-2004 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sec. RUMSFELD: Mm-hmm. It--my view of--of the situation was that he--he had--we--we believe, the best intelligence that we had and other countries had and that--that we believed and we still do not know--we will know. This guy is a real piece of work. That comment to me means they still don't have a clue and they definitly have No Intelligence. Folks., the" Terrorists "are in the White House,not Iraq,Afganistan.

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Mech
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posted 03-16-2004 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
B---bbb---but---

The Errrrr...ehhhhh. Weapons of mass distraction...errrrr....but...ehhhhh....

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posted 03-17-2004 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for increase 1776     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whe rrrrr ee iiiisss m y 911 memento. Friggin Morbid SOb. The white house staffers and all the cabinet members owe all ther citizens an appology and than they should all resign.If not they should all be tried for treason and war crimes,in American courts,with us as the jury of their peers.

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Mech
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posted 03-17-2004 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bbbb--but---but---but---...


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increase 1776
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Where's the outrage.These two should be in jail if not worse. Better yet ,we send one to Iraq ,and one to Afganistan, and let them walk the streets unprotected . Let them try to talk their way out .

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swamp gas
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posted 03-17-2004 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swamp gas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perle has to be one of the ugliest people I have ever seen.

The tongue abnormalities indicate a toxic liver.

He is also working on his Third Chin!

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Mech
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posted 03-17-2004 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol Swamp.

Toxic indeed.

The "Prince of Darkness"...

...and of Halitosis?

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swamp gas
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Mech
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posted 03-17-2004 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mech   Visit Mech's Homepage!   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Llllol! Oh man! That's horrible.

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JerseyBluEyz
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posted 03-17-2004 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JerseyBluEyz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I came across an ummm, errr, uhhhh CLIP of the interview at MoveOn. It's not complete, but gives enough of Rumsfeld in action for ANYONE to realize he's lying!

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

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