posted 02-01-2003 01:41 PM            

This could help get people to look up and take notice more regularly.

I await all the far out theories concerning this event.

A lot of posts over at indymedia.org are mentioning possible pretext incident ala 'operation northwoods'.

I'm guessing it was the Russians in an ongoing secret war, involving a miriad of exotic weaponry. Second runner up is shot down by aliens. Third choice; collision with friendly yet invisible craft.

will we ever know....?

posted 02-01-2003 03:12 PM            

Now Consider this:

In the wake of press accounts concerning links between the Contras and drug traffickers' beginning December, 1985 with a story by the Associated Press, both Houses of the Congress began to raise questions about the drug-related allegations associated with the Contras...

On January 28, 1986 America was shocked by the destruction of the space shuttle Challenger, and the death of its seven crew members.

there are definite mind control aspects to any happening such as this.

posted 02-01-2003 03:20 PM               

It could be a case of tiredness of material.

No sabotage, just combination of old age and insufficient maintenance.

posted 02-01-2003 03:34 PM            

Something not so accidental...since I've been keeping track (a little over two years) there has never been chemtrails on shuttle launch or landing days. EVER

They've sent up deltas, titans, and even that gps "communications" satellite the other day straight through the chems.

posted 02-01-2003 04:29 PM            

02-01-03=33

funny day for the space shuttle to blow up innit?

an unusual alignment of planetary bodies that is occurring tonight (Jan 31-Feb 1):

Tonight's event will involve the Earth, Moon, Sun, Neptune, and Jupiter. As midnight approaches across the western hemisphere, Jupiter will climb toward the mid-heaven as Moon and Sun conjoin at the nadir close to Neptune. In layman's terms, this means that for a brief time five of the 10 major bodies in our solar system will be arranged in a straight line with our planet near the top of the line-up (just below Jupiter). Note: The exact time of the new moon will be well aligned with the longitude of Hilo, Hawaii, where at 12:48 a.m. local time Jupiter will be at the mid-heaven and Neptune will be at the nadir.

Astrologically speaking, this event indicates a time when our meditations and prayers will be strongly magnified. It signals a moment when we may intuitively understand the subtle qualities of our present experience. Such insight presents us with the opportunity to make wise decisions about how to best respond to all that our circumstances are presently revealing.

For more details, an astrological chart of the event, and some explanatory graphics please visit the ncrising.com site. Happy New Moon in Aquarius.

ALSO VISIT: http://www.enterprisemission.com/egyptair.htm

About a month prior to the wtc horror show, the bush cocaine dealings were coming to light again because of American Activism, and a book called Barry and The Boys: The CIA, The Mob, and Americas Secret History" (www.barryandtheboys.com).

Now Consider this:

In the wake of press accounts concerning links between the Contras and drug traffickers' beginning December, 1985 with a story by the Associated Press, both Houses of the Congress began to raise questions about the drug-related allegations associated with the Contras...

On January 28, 1986 America was shocked by the destruction of the space shuttle Challenger, and the death of its seven crew members.

posted 02-01-2003 04:34 PM            

quote:

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One potential focus: possible damage to Columbia's protective thermal tiles on the left wing from a flying piece of insulating foam from the external fuel tank that came off during liftoff on Jan. 16.

Leroy Cain, the lead flight director in Mission Control, assured reporters Friday that engineers had concluded that any damage to the wing was considered minor and posed no safety hazard.

NASA said the first indication of trouble Saturday was the loss of temperature sensors in that wing's hydraulic system.

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This was just a tragic accident.

posted 02-01-2003 06:13 PM            

How many species of plant and animal gone extinct on this day?

How many hundreds of billions of dollars are spent on militarization, now spreading into space?

I heard a woman on TV say that we won't be able to live on this planet forever so we must move forward with space programs.

Our bio-sphere is falling apart and we focus resources at the further destruction of this perfect planet, and how we can live without it?

Absolutely Ridiculous!

We 'First World-ers' need to pull our heads out of our asses and use the priveledge we've built on the bodies of millions to seriously address the immediate concerns here on Earth.

Think about it, even if we can colonize space, who do you suppose gets to go, and who will be left behind?

posted 02-02-2003 01:12 AM               

Shuttle Columbia to land today
By Marcia Dunn, The Associated Press
February 1, 2003

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- Space shuttle Columbia's U.S.-Israel crew wrapped up more than two weeks of scientific research in orbit Friday and aimed for a homecoming under heavy security.

Because of the Israeli on board, Ilan Ramon, NASA and the Air Force said security would be tighter than usual for today's landing.

"We've taken all reasonable measures, and all of our landings so far since 9/11 have gone perfectly," said Lt. Col. Michael Rein, an Air Force spokesman. "So we're confident with the security in place."

For Columbia's launch on Jan. 16, security was at an all-time high for fear that Ramon's presence would make the shuttle a terrorist target. No security problems were reported.

Ideal weather for the landing was expected.

Ramon, the first Israeli in space, and his six U.S. crewmates successfully completed all of their more than 80 experiments.

The astronauts looked at such things as ant, bee and spider behavior in weightlessness, and changes in flames and flower scents in orbit. They also took measurements of atmospheric dust and collected blood and urine samples.

edit just noticed this:"Ideal weather for the landing was expected."
This article had gone to print well before the disaster. Please tell me past tense is journalistic norm at all times. Please tell me...

Tragic seems to light a word.

come Flights of Angels to sing Thee home

Many prayers,
Much respect

Rae the Elven

posted 02-02-2003 02:38 AM               

there is link to SKY news article in which Professor Andre Balogh, of
London's Imperial College, states that he thinks the spacecraft has been
crippled on take-off, 16 days ago, when a piece of protective foam came
loose striking the left shuttle's wing.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0%2C%2C30000-12238534%2C00.html

Here is a link to thread on Timebomb2000.com that contains 6 still shots
that were captured from video posted at Florida Today site.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?s=459fa3f2b5f6b43a4c0073cf2a065b7f&threadid=57121

They show a chunk of insulation that broke off the external fuel tank,
apparently of a size of a concrete block or larger, hitting a left wing at
the bottom, and producing a huge cloud of the dust whose size was 1/3 to 1/2
of the size of the wing itself.

It was reported on NASA news conference yesterday that on the re-entry,
during a period of several minutes, 8 thermal and pressure sensors at that
area went down, off the scale, while the shuttle was still performing well.

Then the shuttle started to break apart.

The flight was doomed from the launch and NASA knew it. They cold do nothing
about it.

At the same conference it was said that similar chunk of insulation broke
off during the precedent launch. This they knew also.

IZAKOVIC http://www.deepspace4.com

posted 02-02-2003 03:35 AM            

yet, above this pain of tragedy
the souls that travelled into space
went home like sun rays, all together
in a grand magical way

please let their offer be received
a worthy sacrifice for peace
when gods and goddesses die in the sky
silence clamor for blood down on the ground

let earth-bound leaders pay attention
to sacred messages from high
when seven heroes wrote it to the world
and signed it with their precious lives

Columbia, reverse the course you've chosen
persists, and you will never land
Mission control in Washington lost contact
adjust your course, and bring peace home

posted 02-02-2003 05:47 PM            

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CATASTROPHE IN THE SKY
Columbia had problems
with tiles 6 years ago
NASA investigated same problem in '97, linked it to environmental changes

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Posted: February 2, 2003
5:00 p.m. Eastern

By Joseph Farah
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

More than six years ago, NASA investigated extensive thermal tile damage on the space shuttle Columbia as a result of the shedding of external tank insulation on launch – now a prime suspect in the Columbia's disastrous disintegration upon re-entry yesterday.

Tiles possibly knocked off during Columbia's launch by insulating foam which came off fuel tank

NASA investigators have quickly focused on the possibility that Columbia's thermal tiles were damaged far more seriously than the space agency realized during liftoff. Just a little over a minute into Columbia's launch Jan. 16, a chunk of insulating foam peeled away from the external fuel tank and smashed into the left wing, which like the rest of the shuttle is covered with tiles to protect the ship from the extreme heat of re-entry into the atmosphere. Yesterday, that same wing started exhibiting sensor failures and other problems 23 minutes before Columbia was scheduled to touch down. With just 16 minutes to go before landing, the shuttle disintegrated over Texas killing all seven in the crew.

"Immediately after the Columbia rolled to a stop, the inspection crews began the process of the post-flight inspection," wrote NASA's Greg Katnik in a review of the problems of that flight. "As soon as the orbiter was approached, light spots in the tiles were observed indicating that there had been significant damage to the tiles. The tiles do a fantastic job of repelling heat, however they are very fragile and susceptible to impact damage. Damage numbering up to forty tiles is considered normal on each mission due to ice dropping off of the external tank (ET) and plume re-circulation causing this debris to impact with the tiles. But the extent of damage at the conclusion of this mission was not 'normal.'"

The alarming report continued: "The pattern of hits did not follow aerodynamic expectations, and the number, size and severity of hits were abnormal. Three hundred and eight hits were counted during the inspection, one-hundred and thirty two (132) were greater than one inch. Some of the hits measured fifteen (15) inches long with depths measuring up to one and one-half (1 1/2) inches. Considering that the depth of the tile is two (2) inches, a 75% penetration depth had been reached. Over one hundred (100) tiles have been removed from the Columbia because they were irreparable. The inspection revealed the damage, now the 'detective process' began."

NASA investigators seven years ago noted that the damage followed changes in the methods of "foaming" the external tank - changes mandated by concerns about being "environmentally friendly."

"During the STS-87 mission, there was a change made on the external tank," said the report. "Because of NASA's goal to use environmentally friendly products, a new method of 'foaming' the external tank had been used for this mission and the STS-86 mission. It is suspected that large amounts of foam separated from the external tank and impacted the orbiter. This caused significant damage to the protective tiles of the orbiter."

NASA's report on that earlier Columbia flight concluded on a positive note, suggesting changes would be made in procedures to avoid such problems at launches in the future.

"As this investigation continues, I am very comfortable that the questions will be answered and the solutions applied," wrote Katnik. "In fact, some of the solutions are already in progress. At present the foam on the sides of the tank is being sanded down to the nominal minimum thickness. This removes the outer surface, which is tougher than the foam core, and lessens the amount of foam that can separate and hit the orbiter."

This 6-year-old problem is sure to raise new concerns about NASA's safety procedures. Already, new public concern is focusing on a former NASA engineer who pleaded last summer for a presidential order to halt all further shuttle flights until safety issues had been addressed.

In a letter to the White House, Don Nelson, who served with NASA for 36 years until he retired in 1999, wrote to President George W. Bush warning that his "intervention" was necessary to "prevent another catastrophic space shuttle accident."

During his last 11 years at NASA, Nelson served as a mission operations evaluator for proposed advanced space transportation projects. He was on the initial design team for the space shuttle. He participated in every shuttle upgrade until his retirement.

Listing a series of mishaps with shuttle missions since 1999, Nelson warned in his letter that NASA management and the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel have failed to respond to the growing warning signs of another shuttle accident, reported the London Observer. Since 1999 the vehicle had experienced a number of potentially disastrous problems:

1999 – Columbia's launch was delayed by a hydrogen leak and Discovery was grounded with damaged wiring, contaminated engine and dented fuel line;

January 2000 – Endeavor was delayed because of wiring and computer failures;

August 2000 – inspection of Columbia revealed 3,500 defects in wiring;

October 2000 – the 100th flight of the shuttle was delayed because of a misplaced safety pin and concerns with the external tank;

April 2002 – a hydrogen leak forced the cancellation of the Atlantis flight;

July 2002 – the inspector general reported that the shuttle safety programme was not properly managed;

August 2002 – the shuttle launch system was grounded after fuel line cracks were discovered. Yesterday, Nelson told the London Observer that he feared the Columbia disaster was the culmination of "disastrous mismanagement" by NASA's most senior officials and would inevitably lead to a moratorium on future flights.
"I became concerned about safety issues in NASA after Challenger," he said. "I think what happened is that very slowly over the years Nasa's culture of safety became eroded. But when I tried to raise my concerns with NASA's new administrator, I received two reprimands for not going through the proper channels, which discouraged other people from coming forward with their concerns. When it came to an argument between a middle-ranking engineer and the astronauts and administration, guess who won."

posted 02-03-2003 05:06 PM               

Israeli Daily MAARIV has published picture of the left wing of the Columbia
that was taken thru the shuttle window during the news program "Erev Hadash"
of Israeli television, while Ilan Ramon spoke with Prime Minister Ariel
Sharon on Jan. 20, 2003.
On the surface of the wing two long fissures are visible.

Link to the original article:
http://www.maarivenglish.com/

Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera reports that four hours before the
tragedy NASA has distributed internal memo saying that shuttle's left wing
was damaged during the take-off.

Link to the original article:
http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2003/02_Febbraio/03/crepe.shtml

Initial source of this information was thread on timebomb2000.com started by
potemkin:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?s=12ad8b37c4765814cd644bb88d4f
fb7c&threadid=57307

posted 02-06-2003 06:07 PM            

They should have heard either a combined long sonic boom, or many booms, like multiple lightning strikes.

Reporters notified everyone to keep away from the debris.

I input a Google search.
This is what I got:
http://www.oneworldweb.de/castor/english/newsletter/number8.html
>The rocket's self-destruct program was then activated.

"Oh, no!", said the launch commentator as the rocket exploded. "It appears we've had a malfunction." Mission Control explained that destruction commands were sent to the rocket two seconds after the first signs of trouble, "in order to be sure the rocket was completely destroyed and would not harm anyone."

The rocket and its cargo blew up

at 20,000 feet over the Atlantic.

The force of the explosion, heard as TWO SEPARATE BOOMS,

set off car alarms as far away as Cocoa Beach, 10 miles away. Journalists and observers near the launch site were immediately hustled onto buses and evacuated. The Air Force says all of the debris fell into the ocean.

A spokesman warned anyone who came across debris from the rocket or its secret cargo to keep away.<

Notice the similarities to the shuttle "disaster":
witnesses >heard...two separate booms,<
>A spokesman warned anyone who came across debris from the...(shuttle)... or its...cargo to keep away.<

And the reason for those "two booms":

>The rocket's self-destruct program was then activated.< CAUSE
>The force of the explosion, heard as two separate booms,< EFFECT
>A spokesman warned anyone who came across debris from the rocket or its secret cargo to keep away.< COVERUP

Taking only known facts and comparison to past events
into account, and drawing the obvious conclusion:
"same effects=same causes"

My money is on the Bush administration claiming this was a result of terrorists sabatoging the shuttle, or planting a bomb.

Why?:

Sunday on every political TV show, the subject was to be:
"Nelson Mandela's criticism of George W Bush."

Saturday:
NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski:
"Today George W Bush is handed a domestic crisis."

"Whether it was an explosion on board, or something else."

"Name something good to come out of this." NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski
asks several "experts".
(Note the exact wording)

Nobody is talking about Nelson Mandela's scathing comments, or his valid criticism of George W Bush

Operation Northwoods raises it's ugly head yet again.
Everytime the lapdogs of the press begin to ask valid questions of "the Leader":

"GEORGE W BUSH IS HANDED A DOMESTIC CRISIS."

Which distracts us from valid criticisms of the criminal in chief.

Debunkers & Bush supporters*
accuse anyone who sees the obvious of being a "tinfoil-hatter"
And spout comments about thousands of NASA employees having to be involved if this is Northwoods.

IT ONLY TAKES ONE HAND TO PUSH THE AUTO DESTRUCT BUTTON

posted 02-08-2003 03:03 AM            

I remember the first week willy mcool (red team) came on around 3:00am cst thursday...he said "mission control", they replied...he said "there is a white object moving with columbia, and would you on the ground check this out"...my ears perked up...there was a still silence...then a man returned and said "columbia, that is the ISS which is moving aross austrailia...opposite of you...the sun is catching the light just about now"... yes there's a bit of difference between "moving with" and "opposite of"...concerned and curious I have a link to the ISS and checked myself, and it was a correct assertion..they were in the same area...and for a bit they did due to orbits seem to move with optically...

as people here are constantly searching for good things to talk about...people making positive moves forwards in human evolution...tom brokaw mentioned on letterman regards to this...and how real heros are seldom found...when here they were right under our noses...folks who dedicated their lives literally to the benefit of mankind...gave up their families...personal posessions...and time...for the better~ment of society....

this was a horrible accident that happened to some very wonderful people...

God bless those who give their lives for the betterment of others...

HEROS...