posted 02-02-2003 09:05 PM            

02/01/03 the date of Columbia's destruction:
Higest Degree in Scottish Freemasonry 33:
NASA's obcession with ritual numbers can be found at former NASA chief planetary scientist, Richard Hogland's web page enterprisemission.com :
First Jewish man in space? Let's sacrafice him as a toast to our Masonic God's!!!!
02+01=3 then add the year 03... 33 anyone?
Beleive me kiddies, there is more truth to what I say than meets the eye. I will post more as the information seeps through the cracks. If you got somthing to add please do, eyes need to open.

posted 02-02-2003 10:09 PM            

I gave up believing in most conspiracies theories for my New Year's Resolution(:

posted 02-02-2003 10:25 PM            

As do I Bhang.

>>But I beleive in the US and have sworn to uphold the constitution.<<

posted 02-03-2003 06:37 AM               

http://www.darwinawards.com/ikon/ubb/brewpub/000230.html
http://www.mactonnies.com/imperative5.html

http://freespace.virgin.net/ecliptica.ww/book/socalled.htm

"As we approach the year 2000 there is an epidemic of doom-peddling soothsayers telling anyone who will listen that "The End Of The World Is Nigh", just as there was during the run in to the year 1000. Some of these people claim to have worked it all out from the dimensions of the passages in the Great Pyramid, some use abstruse flavours of Numerology, and others the ambiguous ramblings of Nostradamus and/or Mother Shipton, or even communications from purported flying-saucers and their occupants. The majority, however, are Christian Fundamentalists drawing inspiration from the Book of Revelation, the so-called Miracle of Fatima, or the fact that United Nations Security Council Resolution numbers have now got to 666. The pitch is usually that one can only be "saved" from this imminent apocalyptic doom either by sending them money to pray that it won't happen (this is particularly popular in the States), or by joining up so you come out of it alright regardless of how awful you are. Some of these people almost seem to want The End Of The World to happen so they can say "told you so" to the rest of us. Alarmingly, it was being reported that such people had the ear of President Reagan while he was in office, and it may be that we can be thankful for the counter balancing influence of Nancy's astrologer and/or Mikail Gorbachev.

The most extreme example of Messianic Apocalyptic Fundamentalist Bullshit in recent years, in my view, was that of the late Rev Jim Jones. James Warren Jones was born in 1931, and during the 50s and 60s established a reputation as a evangelical churchman in Indianapolis. He moved to San Francisco in 1967 and seems to have had all the charismatic/hypnotic qualities referred to above, eventually proclaiming himself the "Messiah" of the People's Temple - a Christian Evangelical Group. In this role he appears to have become obsessed with the power he could exercise over other people, to the extent that he overstepped the bounds of legality in diverting the incomes of his followers to his own use. In the face of mounting pressure he promised his flock a Utopian salvation in the jungles of South America, and emigrated in 1977 with hundreds of followers to found an agricultural commune called 'Jonestown' in Guyana. As 'Ruler' of this community he confiscated his subjects passports, together with millions of dollars, and manipulated the flock with blackmail, beatings and threats of death.

Allegations of abuses inevitably leaked out, and on 14th November 1978 Congressman Leo Ryan of California arrived in Guyana with a few newsmen and some relatives of members of Jones' flock. Four days later, as Ryan and 14 people who wished to leave Jonestown prepared to depart from a nearby airstrip, Rev Jones gave orders for them to be assassinated. The Congressman, three newsmen and one defector were killed. The rest escaped, and, fearing retribution from the authorities, Jones activated his suicide plan. On 18th November he ordered his followers to drink a cyanide-laced punch and the vast majority of them meekly obeyed. Jones himself did not commit suicide; someone appears to have shot him in the head. Guyanese troops who reached Jonestown the next day found 913 dead, including 276 children.

It was the largest mass suicide since that of the Zealots at Masada in 73 AD, and that took place in the face of imminent capture of the fortress by the Romans.

The obscenity of Jonestown occurred a mere 12 years ago, and one might imagine that it would have led to the exercise of some sort of control over the dissemination of the Fundamentalist Bullshit which these people churn out. Sadly this does not seem to have happened."

posted 02-03-2003 06:51 AM               

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Originally posted by FLKook:
Great book if you haven't read this one yet...in Operation Northwoods they even suggest killing an astronaut (John Glenn) in space as a pretext to war. Evil. Read a bit of it at Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail /-/0385499078/ref=lib_dp_TFCV/102-0500894-9952955?v=glance&s=books&vi=reader#reader-link

Friendly Fire
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba

By David Ruppe

N E W Y O R K, May 1 — In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

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Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban ้migr้s, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."

Gunning for War

The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government," writes Bamford.

The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.

Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to provide irrevocable proof … that the fault lies with the Communists et all Cuba [sic]."

The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist leader in the Western Hemisphere — only 90 miles from U.S. shores.

The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been a disastrous failure, in which the military was not allowed to provide firepower.The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.

"The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops deployed to drive out Castro.

Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military — not democratic — control over the island nation after the invasion.

"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."

'Over the Edge'

The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military.

Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.

The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.

There were reports U.S. military leaders had encouraged their subordinates to vote conservative during the election.

And at least two popular books were published focusing on a right-wing military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger" in the "education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been uncovered. The committee even called for an examination of any ties between Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods, says Bamford.

"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes, "Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge."

Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan "pretext" operations at least through 1963.

One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base — an act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot down as a pretext for a war.

"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he says.

After 40 Years

Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy.

As public interest in the assassination swelled after JFK's release, Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government records related to the assassination.

The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents.

Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But somehow, these remained.

"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says Bamford.

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posted 02-03-2003 12:38 PM            

http://www.population-security.org/swom-96-09.htm

Zoob, No one said Numerology is correct, only that the Masons and Occultists believe it, and there are some strange anomolies that one has to stop and think about.

posted 02-03-2003 12:52 PM               

Hey everybody, lets take a vote. Who thinks David Blaine can really levitate.

Don't mean to sound so rude, but it will take at least a smidgen of real evidence to prove to me that the columbia disaster was contrived. You can bet I'll be looking for that evidence, and you can bet it won't be on Hoagland's website.

posted 02-03-2003 01:50 PM            

The reason I put the Kaku post up there was that he and other physicists are investigating hyperspace. If there are multiple dimensions and/or hyperspace, then all rules of linear reality are out the window. This would include numerology, life after death, astrology, inter-dimensional beings, etc. The nazis and CIA (aren't they one in the same) were supposedly experimenting with DMT to attempt to control and navigate in hyperspace. Again, whether one thinks this is true is irrelevant. Someone with power believes it, and can exert an influence on the rest of the world, i.e. Bush, Hitler, and CIA.

http://serendipity.magnet.ch/dmt/dmtart08.html

http://deoxy.org/