posted 12-26-2003 03:51 PM            

Ellen, if you are politicaly active does revealing who you are and where you are politically active scare you? { no mistake about it posting to this site does not make you politically active....also ellen politically active persons dotn feel the need to hide behind screen names..but you would already know that correct?)

To all of you:
When your confronted at the door of your home by armed military personal demanding your weapons, you just gonna hand them in and assume the position?

When they come around are you gonna conform and go on about your life like its not happening? Are you gonna walk out in teh street and throw rocks and cuss them and state your agaisnt them? or you just gonna sit back and say "see i told you it was gonna happen"

posted 12-26-2003 08:22 PM            

What am I doing? I don't buy products that make me stupid or support globalization. I march in protests. I monitor boards to keep NWO supporters to remeber where they are. I write songs that point out the NWO, and gets LOTS of attention. I write in my spare time about the NWO, and what it means to everybody. I send money to good hearted organizations. I have found antidotes for barium and Aluminum. I bring together people on these boards to meet face-to-face. I have doing this from the 60's, and don't intend to stop.

posted 12-26-2003 09:54 PM            

[besides swamp, i think if you'll dig back thru my post you'll kinda get the picture that i could care less about trying to inform ppl of something they care to know nothing about!]

posted 12-28-2003 01:49 PM            

1) Aspartame or Nutrasweet

2) Any linear drug - alcohol, Prozac, cocaine, heroin, speed, downers

3) Any animal products

4) Microsoft

5) Ultra Violence or Ultra Sex

6) Gillette

7) Proctor and gamble

8) Exxon

9) Walmart

10) News Media - NBCIABCNNPRFOXCBS

posted 12-28-2003 06:43 PM            

Flouride was used by the Nazis to keep concentration camp prisoners docile.

posted 12-29-2003 12:46 AM            

Fear Factor Mental Enforcement (Pavlov's Dogs)
By Jerry L. Gardner
12-28-03

Hi Jeff,

As you well know, Tom Ridge not only announced an increase in the level of possible "terrorist attacks," he was very careful in his wording to list all previous targets of 911 to underscore the fear level. I personally didn't see a need to deliberately specify and emphasize each target such as the Twin Towers; the Pentagon; and the Pennsylvania crash since the entire world is more familiar with these incidents now than any known act(s) of violence. It all seems redundant except for what appeared to be a deliberate fear factor escalation, a modern version of the conditioning (repetitive) of Pavlov's dogs. Apply an idea to the minds long enough and with enough sincerity and with just the right amount of shock level and your subjects will eventually jump to the ringing of any bell. Those who would shape the destiny of man know there is nothing more programmable than the human brain. Even Adolph Hitler is to have said, "It is good for leaders that people do not think." To our detriment, we respond most to frightening stimuli, fear being man's most destructive and controlling adversary.

I believe many thinking people around the world are expecting another major incident, even without Tom Ridge warning about the possibility. In my own opinion, and this is "just" an opinion, I too believe there will come a horrible attack, and most likely on our turf again. I do not expect this right away, the timing isn't right yet. I believe if we are hit, it will be at a time when the maximum amount of fear can be produced in order to totally bring our historically scheduled election process to a halt and insure that the current administration and their power sources remain in power. I also believe that a component of this attack will be the immediate call for martial law (which we are already technically under as I understand it), and a full blown adaptation and enforcement of all the Patriot Act regulations and restrictions. This may even include the incarceration of those who resist the government in any manner, even as actual patriots voicing dissent. Friends and neighbors will betray true patriots out of ignorance, fear and self preservation. Time will tell.

From my own personal observation, the "so called terrorist" who are alleged to have perpetrated the last attack, gained very little, except for the possible benefit of gloating over their damage, which although devastating and horrible, we in America can and will rebuild. So, in the overall scheme of things their act was basically fruitless in terms of really permanently harming our great nation. The effect was little more than a slap to our egos that hurt our feelings. To give the culprits (whoever they were) more credit than this would be totally wrong. Nothing else profited them, IF they (Al Qaida) indeed exist and IF Al Qaida indeed have anything to do with 911. This is what suggest to me that the ends didn't justify the means for this handful of men who "hate us because we're free," and strike a one time blow with no obvious long range benefit to the Muslim world. On the other hand, our own government has gained heretofore untold, unprecedented powers over our citizens with their very controlling, draconian and restrictive, and freedom eliminating Patriot Acts, as well as the sister creations such as Homeland Security and DARPA along with the aligning of the local/state law enforcement agencies with the military arm. This last law enforcement/militry marriage alone should send chills up every American's spine. Can you say "May I see your papers please?"

A simple, frightening analogy:

There is a scary child's story which some of us heard as kids which has a goblin encroaching on a child's home. It goes, (this very evil goblin saying) "Johnny I'm on your first step, Johnny I'm on your second step, Johnny I'm on your third step, Johnny I'm on your porch, Johnny I'm at your door....and so on." My point is, now the story is much more serious because the goblin (the government) is saying to us, "Johnny, I'm in your automobile; Johnny I'm in your business; Johnny I'm in your marriages; Johnny I'm in your religion; Johnny I'm in your schools, Johnny I'm in your finances; Johnny I'm even in your home; Johnny I'm controlling your personal life."

They now watch how much money we have available at any given time, our banks even report on us, and now we see congress giving them the right to know just how much gold Americans might have saved back for a rainy day. "The law" may now confiscate our homes, property and bank accounts merely on suspicion, and how difficult is for the "law" to create, and what court will uphold the citizen's innocence or rights? We will have no avenue of redress. Innocent until proven guilty is already a joke. "Johnny we're in your house, resistance is futile!"

A much more diabolical picture emerging here:
Yes, I indeed expect further acts of violence. Those truly responsible aren't nearly through yet, the job isn't complete. People aren't afraid enough of the system yet, although close. We still need further acts of violence from our law enforcement/military agencies against citizens to solidify the fear element. We must be brought to the point that we will be afraid to question any government actions, many "Cops" type TV programs have been conditioning us to the "control factor" for years now. There cannot be any doubt as to the establishment and total authority of the New World Order, hence, Novus Ordo Seclorum, a New World Order, and, Ordo Ab Chao, order out of chaos (confusion/fear).

What is the ultimate goal?

Here are just a few of the things I see approaching.

After most of the high tech jobs have been sent over seas to lower paying foreign firms, the few jobs left in America will be at a premium. Only a fool would fail to see this scenario occurring today at an alarming rate. Select applicants, those who embrace the new regime without question (the masses), the first fruits of the neo-cons will receive the better paying jobs which remain here in America. Many American's (true patriots) who have been displaced, had their jobs taken away, will find themselves working where they are told to work, for as long as they are told to work, and for the wages they are told to work for (this hourly expansion in excess of forty hours at controlled pay [no increase] is already in the works). Future jobs will consist of what we in the past called "community service jobs," and the few low paying factory jobs remaining. The proletariat will be fully controlled. Low paying, non skilled jobs which in the past have been difficult to keep filled will now be considered to be premium jobs, much sought after in order for people to provide for their families. This will also serve to eliminate the welfare system by placing everybody in some type of public service job, especially in the most menial jobs. If all of the high tech, high paying jobs are going over seas, then what on earth could possibly be left but what I have mentioned? The influx of millions foreign immigrants will place the few remaining jobs at an even higher premium begging for a job could become the order of the day. Oh yes, there will be plenty of jobs, but I believe many are going to be shocked at what they will be reduced to accepting. This again, my opinion based on current developments.

Absolute control:

I kind of left the beaten path here, but it is all part and parcel of the planned coup. Under the powers of the Patriot Act(s) and similar legislation, I see national ID cards, or implants being made mandatory. Future wages will be in the form of "earned credits," no actual money will change hands. Example: A worker will be assigned to a geographical area, travel will be discouraged because of "terrorist" activity, people will be designated a region in which to live, so to speak. He or she will work a specified length of time for a specified wage. The workers wages will be electronically added to his or her personal employee account in a regional bank or financial control unit where the worker may use said account to conduct any and all financial transactions, no matter how large or small. This will automatically force the American worker to live within their expected and authorized income range, to attempt to spend beyond their account will become a criminal act and duly handled by the authorities. To attempt to purchase without the approved national ID or implant will mean prison, or possible death as an enemy combatant, enemy of the state, or a terrorist sympathizer. Every conceivable act or step we may take in the near future will be monitored and recorded in a national/international data base.

Am I dreaming? Am I making this all up out of some intelligence I might possess, or possibly the warped conspiratorial thinking of an over imaginative mind? Not at all! It was forewarned over two thousand years ago and given to John on the Isle of Patmos by a man whose shoe laces I'm not even worthy to tie, the man Jesus of Nazareth, and it WILL come to pass. This is one truth we can still take to the bank and draw interest (eternal life) on.

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Can we read through the smoke screens"

Are sane, intelligent people to believe that a group of radical Islamist are intent on the destruction of America? Are we to believe that a broken down, ill equipped group who receive a short, condensed, accelerated training program in some backwoods, jackleg flight school are going to gain the skills to master state of the art jumbo jets to the degree of an accomplished F-16 fighter pilot, along with the navigational expertise to locate unfamiliar targets? Even navigational training today is an art form. Are we to believe that these people who are supposed to be so smart as to carry out such a complicated endeavor would be stupid enough to leave their calling cards (information) laying all over the place for FBI pick up? That is, except their location of course. Are we to further believe that our intelligence communities both here in the United States and Europe, including Israel can intercept messages from terrorist activist in detail, yet these same high tech intelligence communities who are able to trace down WW2 Nazi concentration camp officers in the jungles of Brazil can't locate the origin of said messages and capture these "terrorist?" Washington always seems to have detailed, explicit terrorist messages, yet they don't seem to have the ability to run these sources down. This doesn't instill a lot of confidence in me as far as being safe is concerned.

When are we going to wake up and admit to ourselves that maybe, just maybe our country isn't what it appears to be, that maybe there are cynical, evil forces (men) at work right under our noses? It is time to stop accusing those who question the system as being trouble makers, anti Americans, pacifist and conspiracy nuts, and begin to examine both sides of the equation here. The worst we could do is be wrong, then we could collectively, as a nation, hunt down the enemy. The best we could expect would be to clear our nations good name and begin to eliminate those who would harm our country from within and start regaining the confidence and help of our friends around the world.

There is something more to this picture than a bearded man in a cave in Afghanistan, or a bought and paid for bearded agent held in a "spider hole" in Iraq. It may already be too late to wake up and smell the NWO but American's are notoriously famous for their resolve and determination to fight for the real truth, regardless of who it brings to task. By the way, I wouldn't give anyone two cents for the life of Saddam, if indeed they do have him. He will likely come down with an unexplained cancer, or be executed while attempting to escape. One way or the other, Hussein is a dead man, I don't believe the man will ever see a public trial.

These are simply my thoughts. I fully respect the thoughts of others, pro or con, this has been what helped to make America great, diversity of opinions, and one of the gifts of freedom I hate to see us lose. For when we lose this basic right, we lose the very heart of what perpetuates our liberty.

I'll close by saying something the "God haters" will not like, but will prove to be a fact, and that is, "Nothing under heaven can save America now!" Without divine intervention and a return to almighty God, America, and the world will experience more hell in logarithmic proportions in the months to come and haven't seen the beginning of sorrows yet.

Jerry L. Gardner