posted 02-18-2003 11:12 PM               

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Originally posted by zoobie555:
http://www.barefootsworld.net/4threichamerica.html

On another note... Anyone know if George W. Jr. has been knighted by the queen of england yet? Or just sr.? I had a theory that when the shadow government went into effect and Dick Cheney going underground in the events that took place after 911 that Bush had been knighted and therefore as a non-U.S. citizen his post as comander in chief would be relenquished to Cheney by default. I've been searching but haven't found anything about Jr. being stripped of his U.S. citizenship yet, but with so many other prominent Americans having gone that route lately I figured that it would have happened by now.

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The missing 13th Amendment
"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

Good Knight, Irene

A partial list of influential Americans who have been “honorarily” knighted by the Queen of England include Henry Kissinger, Norman Schwarzkopf, Colin Powell, Casper Weinberger, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Sr., Rudy Giullani and Alan Greenspan. If the real 13th Amendment were enforced those men would be stripped of their citizenship and would not be allowed to hold positions of public trust.

Sir Alan Greenspan is often referred to as the most powerful man in America because he is the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board -- the consortium of private international bankers who control the U.S. money supply.

Sir Henry Kissinger, former secretary of state under President Nixon and the man whose foreign policies have been behind nearly every genocidal event on earth since WWII (according to a 36-page report in Harper's magazine -The Making of a War Criminal, Feb. 26, 2000) has been nominated to head an independent investigation of the 9-11 tragedy.
ooops he had to... go...

Sir Colin Powell is the current Secretary of State.

Sir George Bush, Sr., is the father of current President George Bush, Jr., and has arguably been the real U.S. president since the Sir Ronald Reagan era began in 1980.

With so many of the queen's knights holding American public office, one has to wonder who really won the Revolutionary War. The U.S. government is comprised of men who, while entrusted with our most vital national security interests, have accepted favors from foreign interests -- the same favors which are prohibited by both the Constitution and a (missing?) constitutional amendment.

Smile when you say that, BJM

posted 02-18-2003 11:17 PM            

I wonder if Billy thinks this is okay?

YEAH...I think he does.

I know what the founding fathers would think of it.

I know what a CONSTITUTIONALIST would think of it.

One word.

posted 02-19-2003 12:21 AM            

I can list MANY times that they have committed TREASON and not just on the 13th Amendment.

posted 02-19-2003 12:28 AM            

LOOKIE HERE.

STRAIGHT FROM THE GUARDIAN UK
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,649629,00.html

Those honorary knighthoods in full

Rudolph Giuliani, the newest holder of a KBE, is in the illustrious company of film directors, religious leaders and musicians. Here is a quick roundup of the best and brightest

David Prudames
Wednesday February 13, 2002

Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York City, today became the latest recipient of the title Knight Commander of the Civil Division of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, otherwise known as KBE and more generally referred to as an honorary knighthood.

Being a foreign national Mr Giuliani can only be lined up for an honorary title, meaning that he does not receive the full sword tapping treatment or a "Sir" prefix.

The title is bestowed by the Queen, on the advice of the foreign secretary, to those non-Britons who have made an important contribution to relations between their country and hers.

First bestowed by King George V in 1917, the honorary knighthood has been handed to some very famous recipients in recent years.

In January 2001 the film director and producer Steven Spielberg was honoured by Sir Christopher Meyer, the British ambassador to the US, on behalf of the Queen.

The man behind such cinematic works as ET, Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan, Mr Spielberg received the KBE for his contribution to the British film and entertainment industries.

Being an Irishman, Bob Geldof had to be content with an honorary title following his massive fund raising efforts for famine victims in Africa in 1985.

The former Boomtown Rats singer's Live Aid concert and number one single, Do they know it's Christmas?, raised huge amounts of money for the cause and brought the issue to the attention of the wider public.

The American evangelist Dr Billy Graham can also extend his name by three letters after receiving a KBE in December 2001.

Dr Graham has been a confidant of every US president since Harry Truman in 1945 and has had meetings with the Queen on several occasions. His honorary knighthood was awarded for his "truly international contribution to civic and religious life," according to the Foreign Office.

Pele, the man voted the greatest footballer in the history of the game by FIFA, was made an honorary knight in the build-up to the World Cup in 1998.

Pele, real name Edson Arantes de Nascimento, received the honour in his capacity as a Brazilian government minister, but is certainly a little more famous for being the outstanding player of three World Cup winning Brazil teams and scoring over one thousand goals in his professional career.

Other honorary knights include the composer and orchestral maestro Andre Previn, the oil tycoon John Paul Getty II and the British-born actor Bob Hope, who received the honour in 1976.

The former US president Ronald Reagan became an honorary knight for the close relationship he developed with Britain in his time at America's helm, as did his defence secretary, Casper Weinberger.

The former president George Bush Sr is also an honorary knight, his title bestowed upon him following his involvement in the 1993 conflict in the Gulf.

General Norman Schwartzkopf and the former head of the joint chiefs of staff (now US secretary of state) Colin Powell also both received honorary knighthoods following their combined efforts in the Gulf war.

YEP...TRAITORS. NOTHING LESS

posted 02-19-2003 12:44 AM            

Glossary Of Terms Relating To
The Original Thirteenth Article of Amendment
To The Constitution For The United States
http://www.amendment-13.org/glossary.html#emolument

BRIBE
a) Anything, especially money, given or promised to induce a person to do something illegal or wrong; b) Anything given or promised to induce a person to do something against his wishes. Also (vt) To get or influence by bribing.

EMOLUMENT
Emolument - n [ME, fr. L emolumentum, lit., miller's fee, fr emolere: to grind up] Gain, licit or illicit, from employment or position, payment received for services rendered or to be rendered. Profits arising from occupation, service, or position such as wages, advantages, fees, etc.

GRAFT
a) The act of taking advantage of one's position to gain money, property, etc. dishonestly, as in politics; b) anything acquired by such illegal methods, as an illicit profit from government business.

HONOUR
High rank or distinction of superiority to be treated with deference or obeisance. From Webster's Dictionary, the archaic definition of "honor" (as used when the 13th Amendment was ratified) meant anyone "obtaining or having an advantage or privilege over another."

A contemporary example of an "honor" granted to only a few Americans is the privilege of being a judge: Lawyers can be judges and exercise the attendant privileges and powers; non-lawyers cannot.

By prohibiting "honors", the 13th Amendment prohibits any advantage or privilege that would grant some citizens or corporations (legal fictions having the status of Person) an unequal opportunity to achieve or exercise political power. Therefore, the second meaning (intent) of the 13th Amendment was to ensure political equality among all American citizens, by prohibiting anyone, even government officials, from claiming or exercising a special privilege or power (an "honor") over other citizens.

Therefore, "honor" is a key concept in the 13th Amendment. While "titles of nobility" may no longer apply in today's political system, the concept of "honor" remains relevant. For example, anyone who had a specific "immunity" from lawsuits which were not afforded to all citizens, would be enjoying a separate privilege, an "honor". Think of the "immunities" from lawsuits that our judges, lawyers, politicians, and bureaucrats currently enjoy. As another example, think of all the "special interest" legislation our government passes: "special interests" are simply euphemisms for "special privileges," i.e., honors.

FOREIGN POWER
Power - a sovereign state; a controlling group; possession or control; authority or influence, political or otherwise.

Lobbying groups and multi-national corporations might properly be termed "foreign powers".

NOBILITY
[Artificial] high station of rank or privilege in society, especially when accompanied by a title.

"These had anciently duties annexed to their respective honors. They are created either by writ, i.e., by royal summons to attend the house of peers, or by letters patent, i.e., by royal grant of any dignity and degree of peerage; and they enjoy many privileges, exclusive of their senatorial capacity." 1 Blackstone's Commentaries 396.

"TITLE OF NOBILITY" is defined in relevant part as follows: "The qualities which constitute distinction of rank in civil society, according to the customs or laws of the country; that eminence or dignity which a man derives from birth or title conferred, and which places him in an order above common men. In Great Britain, nobility is extended to five ranks, those of duke, marquis, earl, viscount and baron." Webster's American Dictionary of 1828

From a court case, in Horst v. Moses, 48 Ala. 123, 142 (1872), which gave the following description of "Titles of Nobility":

"to confer a title of nobility, is to nominate to an order of persons to whom privileges are granted at the expense of the rest of the people. It is not necessarily hereditary, and the objection to it arises more from the privileges supposed to be attached, than to the otherwise empty title or order. These components are forbidden separately in the terms "privilege", "honor", and "emoluments", as they are collectively in the term "title of nobility". The prohibition is not affected by any consideration paid or rendered for the grant."

posted 02-19-2003 01:11 AM            

how about this smart ass...

when you oppose the war in the manner that you do...

you are aiding and abeting the enemy...

and that whistle britches IS treason...

posted 02-19-2003 01:22 AM            

Cheese dick.

You probably never heard of the 1st Amendment either.

OHHHH...I forgot...YOU SUPPORT DISMANTLING OF THE CONSTITUTION. (I.E. Bush supporter)

posted 02-19-2003 01:24 AM               

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Originally posted by Proud Veteran:
Very interesting, I didn't see it state anywhere in the article or the provided links , anything about holding an " honorary " title from another country. It's a nothing title, and the people you mentioned are not guilty of treason against the United States.

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R34d1ng 1z Gud 4 Joo!

Article I, Section 9, Clause 8:No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatsoever from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

The 13th Article of Amendment added an enforceable strict penalty, i.e., inability to hold office and loss of citizenship, for violations of the already existing constitutional prohibition in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 on titles of nobility and other conflicts of citizenship interest, such as accepting emoluments of any kind for services or favors rendered or to be rendered.

TITLE:
An appellation given to a person as a sign of privilege. An (artificial) claim of right.

TITLE OF NOBILITY is defined in relevant part as follows: "The qualities which constitute distinction of rank in civil society, according to the customs or laws of the country; that eminence or dignity which a man derives from birth or title conferred, and which places him in an order above common men." Webster's American Dictionary of 1828

From a court case, in Horst v. Moses, 48 Ala. 123, 142 (1872), which gave the following description of "Titles of Nobility":

"to confer a title of nobility, is to nominate to an order of persons to whom privileges are granted at the expense of the rest of the people. It is not necessarily hereditary, and the objection to it arises more from the privileges supposed to be attached, than to the otherwise empty title or order. These components are forbidden separately in the terms "privilege", "honor", and "emoluments", as they are collectively in the term "title of nobility". The prohibition is not affected by any consideration paid or rendered for the grant."

posted 02-19-2003 01:39 AM               

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Originally posted by Proud Veteran:
It's not an unconstitutional war, it's a reality war! Reality is the idiots need to die to have any hope of world peace. PERIOD!

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The only reality is there are idiots who send our military personnel off to eat, drink, breathe and pick up U-238 in the name of capitalisim. Yeah, that's right, depleted uranium in the ammo, in the long range weapons, all over Desert Storm, and they didn't tell anyone, in fact they said "Gulf War Syndrom is all in your head" (and kidneys, lungs, muscles, sperm) "it's just shell shock, you'll be fine soldier!"
And they are ready to do it again.

How patriotic is that?

posted 02-19-2003 01:45 AM            

They think we' re just going to waltz right in and colonize their hearts and minds. I don't think the Iraqi people see it that way.