posted 02-18-2003 07:59 PM            

mech everything about you is sleazy....

and if your fed up...whatcha gonna do about it ?

posted 02-18-2003 10:09 PM            

and your going to expose me as a what ?

posted 02-18-2003 10:20 PM            

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The protest is about not wanting war, not supporting the man himself. Twisting the words and post meanings to fit your view is typical for debunkers. Really a crappy approach.

Read the protest signs carefully and s-l-o-w-y, see, they do not say "we support saddam" they say "no war with Iraq" or "no to war".

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posted 02-19-2003 01:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Lulu:
No problem Mech, good issue raised. Thermit has his software set in such a way (cookie catcher) that is bound to catch the multiple ID posters (trolls?).

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I use multiple computers in one house and also in other houses. No cookie catcher could figure me out. Others are far more advanced and better funded than I am.

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Originally posted by Lulu:

Any board you visit, the Admin of that board can track your IP. BUT AOL (proxy) is not traceable (at least that I know of).

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At three forums, at which I moderate; I can check IP of anyone who posts in my forum.
Checking my own posts, I cannot track further than the ID assigned by the ISP to me, as an individual user.

Flash a badge and all that "private information" is handed over with no warrent needed.

There are many truths of which the full meaning cannot be realized until personal experience has brought it home.--John Stuart Mill

Anyone not currently aware of the capabilities of echelon and carnivore, or who doesn't know the Clinton FBI was testing "real time keystroke logging and reporting" is naive.
Anyone who thinks an (R) next to a name turns a crook into a saint, deserves to learn just how effective magic lantern is at real time keystroke logging and reporting:

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
Rev. Martin Niemoller

"Here in America, patriotism does not mean keeping quiet. It means speaking up." -- Al Gore

Do we really want to let our own predjudice get in the way of speaking up before:

"...there was no one
left to speak up for me."

There are many truths of which the full meaning cannot be realized until personal experience has brought it home.--John Stuart Mill

since the unconstitutional USA Patriot act, the criminals with badges can enter your home, add programs to your computer, search your house, and repeat the unlawful search, to plant evidence at will.
They can also use magic lantern to put spyware on your computer when you log on to your isp.
Blame Clinton for for what Bush has done if you wish, but the nightmare 'paranoids imagined' in the 1990's has come true since 2000.

posted 02-19-2003 09:00 PM            

Well hey...the Bu$histas made wiretaps and spying legal all over again with the p.a.t.r.i.o.t. act.

You asked for it...you got it.

Wave that Chinese slave labor made plastic flag!

posted 02-20-2003 08:41 PM            

I've been speaking out against the NWO for three years now and the only virus I've ever been inflicted with was due to opening an errant email. Got basic protection an firewall, nothin' fancy.

Some may think I'm paranoid and maybe I am a bit but it doesn't mean "they" are ALL out to get me. (just most of THEM) I support our troops not the leadership answering to would be world government. I think Saddam should be removed (surgically...don't tell me we can't do it after all we created the monster) Politics be damned. Con v Lib is getting old and most are waking up to that.

Maybe I'm not screaming loud enough.

NO NWO!!!!!!!! Globalist elite internationalist bankers suck!!!!!!!GET US out of the UN!!!!(what's left of it...grin.) Fiat Fed Reserve Notes are a joke!!!

1st stop Baghdad then on to Paris.

posted 02-21-2003 08:15 AM            

If not for them we'd be speaking either British or Texan.

FLKook,
That's a tough one, The U.N.---In theory, it's a good idea, sort of like a family that eats together, and goes to picnics together, but the parents still make the big decisions. There's danger with or without it.
Being separate and not connected to the U.N. can make the U.S. answerable to no one, and basically allow the advancement of hegemony across the globe. I don't think China or Russia will allow the U.S. to go too far, as they are still very powerful (talk to Europeans or Asians, they say the U.S. media is downplaying their might). The U.N. serves as a guidepost in this case. On the other hand, the U.N., like the U.S. and England have NWO's attempting to run the show. In this case, a sovereign U.S. is a better choice.

posted 02-21-2003 07:30 PM               

02:00 AM Feb. 21, 2003 PT

Using a combination of trade tricks and clever programming, hackers have thoroughly compromised security at America Online, potentially exposing the personal information of AOL's 35 million users.

posted 02-21-2003 08:53 PM               

Most of the time they hack into pre-selected government systems, to make real-time security tests.
If you've ever worked on a Govt workstation, you have probably seen the warning / disclaimer in place of the Windows start up screen.

With the invetntion / application of Carnivore and Magic Lantern, nothing is surprizing (or sacred) anymore.

posted 02-23-2003 09:18 PM            

Maybe if it's spelled out in bold print in the almighty NY Times, those who refuse to give credence to the NWO will pick their heads out of their hmmmmmmmm OK... the sand.

Nations Seek World Order Centered on U.N., Not U.S.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/19/international/europe/19EURO.html

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United Nations as the "center of world order" and the American government, especially the current American government, tends to be hostile to that idea.

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I don't think most of the power elite is hostile so much to the idea as to "who" exactly will be the guy in charge. Slick Willy Klinton is already grooming for the job> http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31099 Put an American face at the head of the U.N. and the libs will fall all over themselves for it. The right will demand a conservative world government, the same old tired fight will begin and everyone will convienently forget that any world government is a bad idea.

posted 03-01-2003 12:08 AM            

the UN is a meaningless org...always has been...

a paper tiger...

a debating socitety...

nothing more...

17 resolutions and 12 years later and saddam is still shooting the bird at the free world...

any serious discussion about world events that mention the UN in them are bogus ones...

heard a poster left here via those invisible doors in the floor...what's up with that kook ?

posted 03-05-2003 08:23 AM            

Note evidence of at least one professional hacker for hire in the following article:

MONSANTO'S WEB OF DECEIT

>"Anti-GMO (genetically modified organism) scientists and activists are increasingly having their credibility attacked through a campaign orchestrated by the biotech industry," investigative reporter Andy Rowell writes. In two in-depth stories Rowell and Jonathan Matthews, of Norfolk Genetic Information Network, examine the dirty tricks Monsanto has played to promote its gene altered food. Employing

an international PR firm called the Bivings Group who specialize in "internet advocacy,"

Monsanto has trashed peer-reviewed scientific research to undermine and manipulate the scientific debate on genetic engineering.<
source:
Center for Media & Democracy

>Two weeks ago, this column showed how the Bivings Group, a PR company contracted to Monsanto, had invented fake citizens to post messages on internet listservers.

These phantoms had launched a campaign to force Nature magazine to retract a paper it had published, alleging that native corn in Mexico had been contaminated with GM pollen.

But this, it now seems, is
just one of hundreds

of critical interventions with which PR companies hired by big business have secretly guided the biotech debate over the past few years.
While I was writing the last piece,
Bivings sent me an email fiercely denying that it had anything to do with the fake correspondents "Mary Murphy" and "Andura Smetacek", who started the smear campaign against the Nature paper.
Last week I checked the email's technical properties. They contained the identity tag "bw6.bivwood.com".
The message came from the same computer terminal that "Mary Murphy" has used. New research coordinated by the campaigner Jonathan Matthews appears to have unmasked the fake persuaders:
"Mary Murphy" is being posted by a Bivings web designer, writing from both the office and his home computer in Hyattsville, Maryland;

while "Andura Smetacek" appears to be the company's chief internet marketer.

Not long ago, the website slashdot.com organised a competition for hackers: if they could successfully break into a particular server, they got to keep it.

Several experienced hackers tested their skills.
One of them was one using a computer identified as bw6.bivwood.com.

Though someone in the Bivings office appears to possess hacking skills, there is no evidence that Bivings has ever made use of them.
But other biotech lobbyists do appear to have launched hacker attacks.
Just before the paper in Nature was publicly challenged, the server hosting the accounts used by its authors was disabled by a particularly effective attack which crippled their capacity to fight back.
The culprit has yet to be identified.

Bivings is the secret author of several of the websites and bogus citizens' movements which have been coordinating campaigns against environmentalists.
<
>Bivings is just one of several public relations agencies secretly building a parallel world on the web.
Another US company, Berman & Co, runs a fake public interest site called ActivistCash.com, which seeks to persuade the foundations giving money to campaigners to desist.
Berman also runs the "Centre for Consumer Freedom", which looks like a citizens' group but lobbies against smoking bans, alcohol restrictions and health warnings on behalf of tobacco, drinks and fast food companies. The marketing firm Nichols Dezenhall set up a site called StopEcoViolence, another "citizens' initiative", demonising activists. In March, Nichols Dezenhall linked up with Prakash's collaborator, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, to sponsor a conference for journalists and corporate executives on "eco-extremism".
What is fascinating about these websites, fake groups and phantom citizens is that they have either smelted or honed all the key weapons currently used by the world's biotech enthusiasts: the conflation of activists with terrorists, the attempts to undermine hostile research, the ever more nuanced claims that those who resist GM crops are anti-science and opposed to the interests of the poor. The hatred directed at activists over the past few years is, in other words, nothing of the kind. We have been confronted, in truth, by the crafted response of an industry without emotional attachment.
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When police interrogate suspects;
they follow a rule:
"Catch them in one lie, and their whole story falls apart."
That one lie?
That there are no professional (debunkers)advocates posting for pay.
BS!
>a stereotype of a PR man -- overtalking, evading questions, tossing out confusing scientific terms, qualifying every answer.<

>30 PR firms are jumping on the online bandwagon,<
Of course there are always the thousands of zealots who volunteer their time and effort:

>GOP Team Leader Recruits Nearly 2,000
New Activists in First 2 Weeks<

>April 8, 2002 - WASHINGTON, DC - The Republican National Committee, with the technological expertise of The Bivings Group, has launched a new Internet program<
GOP Going 'Amway' to Spread Agenda
"The GOP has launched an Internet-based campaign that includes a points-for-products system to spread its agenda throughout the country."
"The Web site -- www.gopteamleader.com -- features interactive pages with links to radio and television stations, and partisan talking points that users can personalize and e-mail directly to Democrats in Washington and in their state."
"The site also features a data-sharing "Got Info?" page where "leaders share intelligence with the GOP, acting as our 'eyes-and-ears' on the ground."
<
>The Republican National Committee, with the technological expertise of The Bivings Group, has launched a new Internet program<
>the Bivings Group, a PR company contracted to Monsanto, had invented fake citizens to post messages on internet listservers.<

the Bivings Group
Berman & Co
Nichols Dezenhall

I read at this forum reports that the US Army had hacked Alex Lahan's server just before Alex vanished.
>a firewall printout verified this<

Question for anyone who has never been hacked?
Do you agree or disagree with
the RNC/ Rush et-al?

Is this a recent phenomenon?

Has anyone ever heard of a Clinton critic being hacked?
Was this going on during the last administration?