posted 02-17-2003 10:08 PM            

This is sick....

posted 02-18-2003 04:24 PM            

One more outburst like that and I consider you an ENEMY COMBATANT to the HOMELAND!!!

posted 02-18-2003 07:17 PM            

The world protests for peace were a literal drop in the bucket compared to the total population of the world. The protestors are an infinitesimally tiny minority of disturbed America haters who support Sadam. All it indicates is that idiots do exist in the world. Much of the so called peace protests here in the United States were funded by Sadam himself. What the leftist media failed to show you, were the thousands that showed up to counter protest the anti-war crowd. This is not a growing movement David. The majority of Americans support going to war to disarm Sadam. It is the moral thing to do in order to protect this country and liberate the Iraqi people. The Germans and French support Sadam because they supply him with his weapons of terrorism and mass destruction in trade for oil. To allow Sadam to continue with his WMD program and violate UN resolutions, is to put America in great Jeopardy and to therefore be anti-American. These protests were in fact not about peace....they were about hating America and it's leader and arming, protecting and defending an evil monster.

Where were they when the bombs were dropping over Serbia for over a month Dave? Where were you? I didn't see any protestations then when your corrupt liberal president was killing innocent civilians to distract from his impeachment, while getting his knob polished under his desk. Evidently you supported killing then Dave.

Now we have a legitimate reason for this war...and you idiots would rather see Sadam get his nukes and use one on New York city next time. THAT is anti-American. You want to let Sadam continue with his torture and murder of his own people...That's anti-human.

posted 02-18-2003 07:39 PM            

***** They are supporting Sadam in his efforts to become a nuclear power, because to not make him disarm is to allow him to build these weapons. *******

Absolute POPPYCOCK and Heresay....The US gave Saddam WMD but now Iraq is impotent after Gulf war #1 and sanction. North Korea (which BUSH gave reactor technolgy to) is much more of a threat.

********* The protestors are an infinitesimally tiny minority of disturbed America haters who support Sadam.******

OPINION and HERESAY.. Those were the LARGEST WORLD PROTESTS IN HISTORY...PERIOD. NOT "AMERICAN HATERs" but BUSH/BLAIR POLICY HATERS. NOT "Saddam supporters"...IRAQI PEOPLE supporters.

****** Much of the so called peace protests here in the United States were funded by Sadam himself.****

PROOF!!?????? Otherwise...shut your trap!

******The Germans and French support Sadam because they supply him with his weapons of terrorism and mass destruction in trade for oil.*********

HELLO??? PROOF PLEASE? Otherwise YOU are LYING.

****To allow Sadam to continue with his WMD program and violate UN resolutions,---- WHAT WMD PROGRAM? PROOF? HELLO?---

----****is to put America in great Jeopardy and to therefore be anti-American.

TELL ME...HOW can a wimpy missle that has range of 100 miles hit America??? PLEASE DO TELL.

*******These protests were in fact not about peace....they were about hating America and it's leader and arming, protecting and defending an evil monster.*****

OHHHHHHHH....LIKE how the Federal Government ARMED Saddam? How the FED FUNDED AND PROTECTED THIS MONSTER EVEN AFTER HE GASSES HIS OWN PEOPLE?????

I guess you "hate America" if you dare to question Lord Bush and Blair's new war for the NWO.

*****Now we have a legitimate reason for this war...***** LIGITIMATE? HOW IS WAR LIGITIMATE WITHOUT PROVACATION????.....

****and you idiots would rather see Sadam get his nukes and use one on New York city next time.****

WHAT NUKE??????? WHAT NUKE TECHNOLOGY??? WHERE???

******** You want to let Sadam continue with his torture and murder of his own people...That's anti-human.*********

Like how the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT let it go on FOR DECADES WITHOUT LIFTING A FINGER BUT SUDDENLY FOUND A REASON BECAUSE OF A "TERROR WAR"

posted 02-18-2003 08:45 PM            

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What a blithering SACK of lies.

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Yes indeed, you do lie like a sack of cow pies Mech,

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* They are supporting Sadam in his efforts to become a nuclear power, because to not make him disarm is to allow him to build these weapons. *******
Absolute POPPYCOCK and Heresay....

The US gave Saddam WMD but now Iraq is impotent after Gulf war #1 and sanction. North Korea (which BUSH gave reactor technolgy to) is much more of a threat.

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The US DID NOT give Saddam WMD capability. Clinton DID give reactor technology to North Korea, NOT the Bush administration (past or present). North Korea is a nuclear threat to the United States today, directly due to the Klinton administrations policy of appeasement and apathy and sell-out of America.

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********* The protestors are an infinitesimally tiny minority of disturbed America haters who support Sadam.******

OPINION and HERESAY.. Those were the LARGEST WORLD PROTESTS IN HISTORY...PERIOD. NOT "AMERICAN HATERs" but BUSH/BLAIR POLICY HATERS. NOT "Saddam supporters"...IRAQI PEOPLE supporters.

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Simple logic..not hearsay. Yes they were America haters, and enemies to freedom. They support Sadam, and support the continued torture and oppression of the Iraqi people in the very act of protesting the war.

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****** Much of the so called peace protests here in the United States were funded by Sadam himself.****

PROOF!!?????? Otherwise...shut your trap!

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Coming from the jokester who offers absolutely no proof or foundation for ANY of his remarks, this one is laughable. We need look no further than the people organizing these rallies to see the direct connection to Sadam and his money, namely Sadam‘s representative and democrat party hero, Ramsey Clark. I offered proof on another thread, and will do so here…..
http://shadow.autono.net/sin001/clark.htm

The name is well known. Ramsey Clark is Sadam’s representative here in America the man who is responsible for organizing many of these protest rallies.

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******The Germans and French support Sadam because they supply him with his weapons of terrorism and mass destruction in trade for oil.*********

HELLO??? PROOF PLEASE? Otherwise YOU are LYING.

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You bet…Proof is circumstantial but we can simply trace the oil deals to Paris and Germany and look at their trading history with Sadam to put two and two together. France even provided a nuclear reactor to Sadam, which the Israelis correctly destroyed. Sadam’s aircraft were bought from the French. Absolute proof will come when American inspectors, (the US military) take Iraq apart and discover how many supplies are actually being provided by the German and French. This is part of the reason these countries oppose the war. It will be a little embarrassing when the truth is discovered.

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****To allow Sadam to continue with his WMD program and violate UN resolutions,---- WHAT WMD PROGRAM? PROOF? HELLO?---

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Yes you are a joke aren’t you Mech. On the one hand you just accused America of supplying WMD to Sadam. Now you say “what WMD program”….Idiot.

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---****is to put America in great Jeopardy and to therefore be anti-American.
TELL ME...HOW can a wimpy missle that has range of 100 miles hit America??? PLEASE DO TELL.

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Mech. Just when I thought no human being could be this stupid, you once again prove me wrong. Terrorists are the delivery systems to hit America. I’ve said this how many times now? Sadam will supply his WMD to a group who will place it in America. He doesn’t need a missile. You can’t be this stupid not to understand this simple concept, can you? Or maybe you can…I was wrong before.

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*******These protests were in fact not about peace....they were about hating America and it's leader and arming, protecting and defending an evil monster.*****
OHHHHHHHH....LIKE how the Federal Government ARMED Saddam? How the FED FUNDED AND PROTECTED THIS MONSTER EVEN AFTER HE GASSES HIS OWN PEOPLE?????
I guess you "hate America" if you dare to question Lord Bush and Blair's new war for the NWO.
*****Now we have a legitimate reason for this war...***** LIGITIMATE? HOW IS WAR LIGITIMATE WITHOUT PROVACATION????..…

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First of all, the FED government never protected Sadam after he gassed his own people. The Clinton administration protected Sadam, during his entire term as president.

No. You do not hate America for questioning Bush or Blair. You hate America because you support Sadam.

The legitimate and legal reason for war, is due to the fact Sadam has broken 17 resolutions that he was required to meet in order that the first Gulf war was to end. Given that Sadam has not met those requirements, and given that he has broken those 17 resolutions (including 1441) the first war never ended. The moral reason for going to war is eliminating a grave and imminent threat to the United States of America and Israel…as well as liberating the Iraqi people. As I said, when we eliminate Sadam, we eliminate a WMD supermarket for terrorists.

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****and you idiots would rather see Sadam get his nukes and use one on New York city next time.****
WHAT NUKE??????? WHAT NUKE TECHNOLOGY??? WHERE???

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Talk to Dr. Hamza, Sadam’s bomb maker. Sadam has been working feverishly on a nuclear program since the first war…and several former inspectors like Tierny, believe that Sadam already has the bomb. Like I said, idiots like you would rather wait until one goes off in New York City before that would be proof enough. You’d rather let a million American’s die first than respond pro-actively and pre-emptively to a threat. We have every right and obligation both morally and legally to take Sadam out before this happens. Thanks for vindicating my point. This is exactly what you are saying.

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******** You want to let Sadam continue with his torture and murder of his own people...That's anti-human.*********
Like how the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT let it go on FOR DECADES WITHOUT LIFTING A FINGER BUT SUDDENLY FOUND A REASON BECAUSE OF A "TERROR WAR"
Yep.It's anti-human.

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posted 02-18-2003 10:33 PM            

Hussein a 'Grave Danger,' Iraqi Scientist Says

Tuesday, February 18, 2003

MANILA, Philippines — With or without weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein is a “grave danger,” particularly to his own people, a former Iraqi nuclear scientist said Tuesday.

Hussain Al-Shahristani, former chief adviser to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission, said he believes Iraq’s nuclear program has been dismantled, but Saddam still has chemical and biological weapons.
He said such weapons are relatively easy to make and that Saddam has "mobile" laboratories that roam the countryside, making it hard for U.N. weapons inspectors to find them.

He said stockpiles of those weapons are also located underground and in tunnels.
“Saddam has mastered his concealment tactics,” Al-Shahristani said in a TV interview in the Philippines. “He has appointed thousands of security officers and trained them well in hiding these weapons."
Despite this, Al-Shahristani said, Saddam does not have the technological capability to use biological or chemical weapons in attacks on other countries -- unless he gives his weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups who can smuggle them into other nations.

The former scientist was jailed in 1979 for refusing to take part in Saddam's nuclear weapons development program, but he escaped from prison in 1991 during the chaos following the Gulf War.
He now heads the British-based Iraqi Refugee Aid Council.

Al-Shahristani traveled to Manila at the invitation of the Asian Institute of Management to address a forum on the Iraq crisis.

He said his knowledge of the current state of Iraq's weapons programs is based on information he received from contacts who were also involved in Saddam's arms programs but have since fled the country.

"Saddam does not have the capacity to deliver them (chemical weapons) to distant countries,” he said at a foreign correspondents press conference.

“The only way he can spread this outside Iraq's boundaries is using terrorist cells that he trained specifically for this purpose, and he does have a number of terrorist cells that he has used in the past. But I don't think that danger is as imminent as the danger to the Iraqi people themselves....

"Iraqis cannot feel safe and secure in their country, he said. “They cannot practice their basic human rights without Saddam being forced to leave and relinquish power in the country."

He added Iraqis had suffered human rights abuses for 30 years under Saddam, losing about one million people -- about half killed in the suppression of resistance and opposition and the other half in wars against Iran and Kuwait.

posted 02-18-2003 10:49 PM            

You sure do have a SHORT MEMORY Billy.

I'm done wasting time debating you Billy. You are unreachable. By and large..your remarks are also hateful and violent...especially to my friend Swamp Gas.

Someone with so much hate usually suffers from some form of blindness.

ONE MORE TIME: You need to see beyond a phony left/right paradigm.

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How blind do you have to be... The third Reich was funded in part by Bush family banking and now the Bush family is in cahoots with the Bin Laden family via the Carlysle group. What has to be done to prove what is going on, does someone have to snap a picture of George W. giving Osama a hug and post it next to his great-grandfather kissing Hitler on the cheek before anyone is going to start investigating what is going on for themselves? The U.S. armed Saddam, in part, and the same for Bin Laden. It is common knowledge. Who are Hitlers real children?

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posted 02-19-2003 03:10 AM            

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How many times have I pointed out to you now that Sadam will arm terrorist groups as a WMD delivery system, to which you either ignored the point, changed the subject, or ran out of the discussion as you are doing now. You can’t face truth. You and people like you are living in a complete fantasy land. When someone puts the actual issue in your face, you cop out and run. I think anyone reading this board can see that. You are completely intellectually dishonest.

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posted 02-19-2003 04:25 AM            

So, you have to wonder if the totals given for Saturday's rally included the multitude that were forced back and kept from attending. Just in the area that I was located, I suspect that there was at least 50,000...and this was 4-5 blocks from the rally point.

Peace<

Don't believe those "official"/debunker totals.

The amerikan-Hitler has almost no support at home (except among the ruling class

>from another forum:
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I flew in from Colorado to get my protest on, and never in my life had I been so warm when it was so cold. I was going down first ave through the police cattle type containment fences, and I asked an officer why we are being contained in such a fashion. She informed me that they hadn't anticipated a millon people showing up today. There you have it, a million<

>I asked an officer why we are being contained in such a fashion. She informed me that they hadn't anticipated a millon people showing up today. There you have it, a million <

One half of registered voters failed to vote in 2000. Of those who voted, over half voted for someone other than Bush.
On his most popular day, Bush was supported by less than one fourth of registered voters.

Many. many more americans are not registered to vote.
We have an elite minority dicatating to the rest of us.
They own the media.
They own more computers than us working people.
They dominate as debunkers, trying desperately to shoot down anyone who gets too close to the truth:

Communism, nazism, fascism. conservatism-
One party rule by any name is a dictatorship!
and unAmerican!

posted 02-19-2003 04:53 AM            

It is a good thing that all the liberal whining is not going to stop this war against terrorism, which leftists created sponsored and promote.

Here's some more from that Iraqi scientist defector, Hussain Al Shahristani;
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/MAN230030

18 Feb 2003 12:50
Iraq scientist says Saddam hiding arms underground

By Ruben Alabastro
MANILA, Feb 18 (Reuters) - A former top Iraqi scientist said on Tuesday he believed Saddam Hussein had dismantled his nuclear programme but was making chemical and biological weapons that were hidden deep underground beyond the eyes of U.N. inspectors.
Hussain Al Shahristani said the Iraqi president did not have the capacity to deliver a payload of the weapons to distant countries but could pass them to overseas cells of supporters which he had built up over the years.
"There's no way that they can really find them, unless by pure accident," Shahristani, a former chief scientific advisor to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission, told a briefing organised by an association of foreign journalists in the Philippines.
"These materials are hidden deep underground or in a tunnel system."
He said he was jailed for 11 years by Saddam's regime for refusing to develop banned weapons but that he escaped from Iraq in 1991. He now lives in London.
Shahristani said his information came from former colleagues and dissidents who had recently fled the country.
"My understanding is that the nuclear programme has been, for all practical purposes, dismantled," he said. "But the programme to produce chemical and biological weapons continued even during the years when the inspectors were in Iraq in the 1990s."
Hans Blix, chief weapons inspector for the United Nations, said in a report to the world body's Security Council on Friday that his teams had discovered no banned weapons in Iraq.
The report was seen as a setback for U.S. and British efforts to get U.N. endorsement to use military force against Iraq over its alleged failure to get rid of weapons of mass destruction.
CHEMICAL BELT AROUND BAGHDAD
Shahristani said he believed Saddam planned to make his last stand in Baghdad in the event of a U.S.-led attack and use the capital's four million residents as human shields.
"There has even been discussion within his circle to set up what they call a chemical belt around Baghdad using his chemical weapons to entrap the residents of Baghdad inside," he said.
Shahrastani quoted his informants as saying Saddam was banking on 50,000 to 100,000 soldiers to defend the city, but the scientist doubted they would fight to the last man.
"Based on contacts that we are having with the people inside Iraq, who are talking with the military all the time, the general understanding of the population now is that the army is not going to fight," he said. "The army is not going to defend Saddam."
Reports that Saddam had look-alikes to confuse potential assassins were "absolutely true", Shahristani said.
"I have seen them," he said. "There are usually between four and eight convoys that leave the palace through different doors -- identical convoys of black Mercedes -- each of them having one who looks like Saddam. They leave in different directions."

posted 02-19-2003 05:13 AM            

Thank God the opinions of the delusional protestors will not prevail, and the above scenarios will be thwarted.

I'm enjoying watching liberal idiots squirm and their philosophy and power go down in flames along with a monster named Sadam, who is possibly a greater threat to civilization via his support for terrorist groups than Hitler ever was.

You can put out all the propaganda and lies and self delusions you want....but that doesn't change the reality that I'm correct and that I'm stating facts.

And here are a few parting predictions to go along with those facts;

Sadam will be eliminated, and peace and the liberation of the Iraqi people will result. North Korea, Iran, Syria, China, Russia and the rest of the axis of evil will get a powerful message that we mean what we say, and this will be a strong deterrent to further aggression by tyrants. The world will be in balance, and terrorist groups will be a disorganized hunted prey. Nations that harbor and support them will be destroyed one by one.

posted 02-19-2003 11:18 PM               

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Originally posted by Proud Veteran:
" The amerikan-Hitler has almost no support at home (except among the ruling class "

I'm far from the ruling class! I'm a worker just like everyone else! I support my country, my President, and my beliefs. TRY AND TAKE THAT FROM ME AND YOU WILL PAY THE CONSEQUENCES. If you asses don't like America, leave. YOU are guilty of treason, YOU are guilty of spreading lies, YOU are foolish enough to buy tapes, recordings, and documents to back up your foolish lies. Go ahead, idiots, make other people rich from all this. They will take your money from your unemployment checks and not even blink. The bottom line is that we need to back our troops, our government, and especially our own citizens in this fight for world peace. You so called "militia freedum fighters" are part of the problem and in my eyes a big joke. Yes I misspelled freedum because thats what I think of all you idiots who back the dictator in Iraq and think " Poor little Saddam, he just might be a real nice guy if we only give him a chance " The only thing I regret that this nation did is that Daddy Bush didn't let Stormin Norman finish the job! If that had happened, maybe we wouldn't have to be doing this now. As far as Gulf War Syndrom goes, I know it's real, just as the illness from Agent Orange is real. As a member of the military, you might not like what you have to do, but you have to follow orders. I asked the nuclear medicine doctor at the hospital where I work what he had heard on this subject and his reply was that if it's classified as depleted, it's not gonna hurt you. I have no reason to doubt this man as he comes to surgery and implants radioactive material into tumors to help shrink them. He is someone who I trust with my life when I'm working with him and this material. I firmly believe that Gulf War Syndrome was caused by chemical and biological agents released during the war and all the smoke that was released into the atmosphere from the burning wells, not from DU ammo.

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I'm a worker as well. I support my country and my beliefs, I support our troops, and most importantly I support the U.S. constitution. I like America, or should I say, the U.S. since I don't care as deeply for the rest of the continent or the South American continent as I do the 50 states. I am not guilty of treason, unless the current administration has managed to change the definition of that as well. If I have in fact spread lies, I did not do so knowingly or intentionally. Foolish enough to buy tapes, recordings and documents? No, every item of PROOF I have personally came across has been free on the internet. I've never benefited from the unemployment system in my life, and don't plan to unless absolutely necessary. I back our troops, I back the Constitution, and I back my fellow citizens and their right to freedom of speech, whether I agree with what they have to say or not. I'm no part of any "militia" or "freedom fighters" group. I believe in using the laws of the U.S. and my political voice and elected representatives to change the status quo, and absolutely not taking up arms against the government. Guns are for hunting, sport shooting (target practice, competition etc.) and self defense only. I don't support Saddam. I simply beleive that it is unwise to back an unconstitutional war against Iraq that will lead to the deaths of inocent civilians and U.S. troops alike when the basis for the war is that Saddam is linked to Al-Queda. The CIA has admitted that the suspected meetings between terrorists and Iraqi officials did not take place. There is no evidence pointing to an alliance between Saddam and Bin Laden. The evidence is to the contrary. Going into Iraq will take resources away from the current war in Afghanistan and strengthen the NWO bond between Bush and Bin Laden families. Jeopardize the safety of American (U.S.) troops and undermine the war on terror. Many Gulf war veterans are against an Iraq attack. As for depleted uranium ammo. I cannot make any judgements, I have no knowledge of it. But I wouldn't accept the word of a military doctor as gospel and go about my life without researching the subject myself.

posted 02-20-2003 12:10 AM            

The politicians didn't do jack.

If anyone here is casting stones at their fellow Americans...it's the Pro-war, Pro-Bu$h crowd.