posted 06-01-2003 05:35 PM            

Then he/she/it believes it totally-
until several days later when Rush says just the opposite.
Then $eeker believes that latest spin totally.

Only deceit on this web is that the RW think for themselves.

They all post the same garbage, at the same directions of the same PR professionals.

posted 06-01-2003 05:41 PM            

lol

posted 06-04-2003 07:57 PM            

authors of the 1992 bestseller, America: What Went Wrong?, tell us who doesn't pay and how they don't. Two systems of taxation have developed in the U.S. since the 1950s, they say, one for wealthy individuals and corporations, the other for everybody else. In the six subsequent chapters, they prove two-tiered taxation's a fact<

shmuck!
anyone can do an internet search
your bogus demand to be spoonfed information has been proven a diversion.

Mech spoonfeeds facts, which RNC operatives deny without reading...

Myposts are enabled by your Rw (straightman) idiotic ravings-
whcih enable me to post the truth,
evident to all who actually read and think for themselves.

Yess, I know you don't think for yourselves RW..
if you did... you would be on my side/ the truth
...instead of your side//propaganda to serve your lord and master bush

posted 06-04-2003 08:10 PM            

it does not...

I don't need reference material 10 years old jackass...the tax law is quite clear as are the brackets...

posted 06-04-2003 08:22 PM            

How do you expect anyone outside of your cult to accept that in less than half an hour you read so much documentation and composed a response, and yet enven einstein would not have read so much in so little time.
Continue to;
Post as your RNC team leader directs.

Only your fellow cultists will believe your claptrap/nonsense

as your posts stray ever farther from reality.

posted 06-04-2003 09:01 PM            

your constant obfuscation of existing truths...your continual pushing of lies as facts...are making discussion with you rather tiresome...

again I ask you for evidence of what you are purveying as fact...

posted 06-04-2003 09:41 PM            

Well stupid, if you actually visited links and read the information...
but then

you couldn't be a conservaite if you had been exposed to the truth.

truth has a way of rooting out bigotry

Had you actually visited any links over the last few years...
you would be praising Mech for posting the truth
and criticising me for not being harsh enough on RW fsscists.
but, you slavishly buy into any stupid crap rightwingers feed you.

Post your stupid bushisms..

We will continue to post the truth

My prediction:
Germany survived Hitler
Amerika will survive bush

We who love America nad support the rule of law will win out over you who support the rule of an elite minority.

Think what will happen when they no longer need you,

posted 06-04-2003 10:42 PM            

if you actually visited links and read the information...
but then

I visit links that are not of known liars...it's just that simple...even though YOU are a known liar I do visit the links you post that are not of known liars...I said that enough times maybe you'll shut up about it...

you couldn't be a conservaite if you had been exposed to the truth.

hmmm....intolerance...very refreshing...only liberals like you have a patent on the truth...impressive...

Had you actually visited any links over the last few years...
you would be praising Mech for posting the truth

now that's a interesting quote shitoga...mech has not been here a year yet...and as far as I know you haven't either...

unless you have been under another posting name...

well ?

We will continue to post the truth

continue ?!?!?! I'm waiting for you to start !

We who love America nad support the rule of law will win out over you who support the rule of an elite minority.

I've never supported the law with my nads...I SWEAR !

Think what will happen when they no longer need you,

But then...
If you could think you would be standing next to me...not opposing me!

posted 06-05-2003 11:09 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by theseeker:
let's get it on !
...I am my own dog there shitoga...and if I were standing next to you....you would be quite a bit more polite...

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If you were standing next to me,
you would spend a lot of time getting back up as the disabled vet had knocked you down after every lie.

You are bush's dog $eeker, and slavishly eat all the shit they feed you.

Yes let's get it on:
you and your fellow RNC minions who post crap as ordered vs/ us who think for ourselves..
truth will win out

$eeker...
aren't you afraid of spontaneous human combustion , if your dark lord suddenly calls you home?

posted 06-05-2003 11:13 PM            

the Dupe/$eeker won't even read one

posted 06-05-2003 11:39 PM            

People who think for themselves cannot be fooled by rightwing fascists

Do you get a bonus for fast response?

My directors' chair from Roger Ailes is very comfortable.

Do you hope to get one like it for bashing truth?

I think you must first be well connected as I still am, before you get RNC bonus points awarded.

Prove me wrong!

serve your dark lord well and tell us all when you get that directors' chair.

Dream often of spontaneous human combustion if your dark lord calls you home.

posted 06-05-2003 11:40 PM            

I still stand on what I said in my post..

Ah hell, I'm bored anyways.

"Freethinkers could not possibly be lockstepping to the orders of herr bush"

This is what I am saying.. Just because you agree with something (or disagree) does not automatically mean you are just 'lockstepping to orders'. Even in your case, I don't think you are intentionally following a radical leftist agenda, I mean, I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and say you are crazy and stupid.

"People who think for themselves cannot be fooled by rightwing fascists"

Again, anyone who is right wing or agrees with similar principals are not freethinkers? What kind of backward assed thought process is that? Definately not one who is using their mind.

"Do you get a bonus for fast response?'

I wish!

"My directors' chair from Roger Ailes is very comfortable."

That's nice. I bought a set of directors chairs a few years ago, they are nice for portable seating.

"Do you hope to get one like it for bashing truth?"

Well i've never 'bashed the truth', I wasn't even responding to the subject, just your idiotic classifications and labels of everyone.

"I think you must first be well connected as I still am, before you get RNC bonus points awarded."

I helped my friend campaign in 7th grade for president, is that connected enough?

"Prove me wrong!"

Prove what wrong? Please explain.

"serve your dark lord well and tell us all when you get that directors' chair."

I don't have a dark lord.. Can you tell me where you got yours?

"Dream often of spontaneous human combustion if your dark lord calls you home."

spontaneous human combustion is an interesting thing.. I think most often it is caused by an older person falling asleep near a fire or such, watched a show on it.

Are old people satanists?

posted 06-05-2003 11:44 PM            

Freethinkers could not possibly be lockstepping to the orders of herr bush
People who think for themselves cannot be fooled by rightwing fascists

is and opinion based on a general assumption...

and your wrong...

so wong !

posted 06-05-2003 11:54 PM            

I think it's actually proof I have no life and am a very bored person..

Because someone replies quickly disagreeing, they are paid right wing fascists. I'll say it one more time, what kind of ass backward thought is that?

You just keep proving more and more that you are a paranoid delusional. Go see a doc.

posted 06-06-2003 12:00 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by ChemCaptain:
"that 24 hours per day several of you rightwing fascists are standing by for instant response to any post by me is proof that
there is a PR paid campaign to oppose the truth ."

I think it's actually proof I have no life and am a very bored person..

Because someone replies quickly disagreeing, they are paid right wing fascists.

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You have no life
and are very stupid!

I can accept that.
I used to be a rightwinger and know how the decent people were fooled.

posted 06-06-2003 12:01 AM            

It isn't even that the people Shatoga is talking about are right wing, it's all about they don't believe in the crazy conspiracies.

So restateing to say: Anyone who doesn't automatically lock in and agree with the crazy (and I mean that literally) conspiracies are paid right wing agents? That's insane my friend, insane!

I could bet fairly safely that would mean a large majority of the united states are paid right wing disinfo agents.

BTW Prof, thank you for making some sense at CTC, You and Lulu seem to be the only non 'debunkers' that do sometimes

Edit: Shat, thank you for chopping off the rest of that paragraph, you know, the one that put it into context. I suppose we can expect his type of thing in the future.

Double edit to counter Shat's edit: "quick response proves my point that some are just waiting for me to post so they can score points with the RNC for a quick response."

It proves nothing, and it's pretty idiotic and paranoid of you to think such a thing. Quick, hide, they out to get ya Shat!

posted 06-06-2003 12:08 AM            

You zieg heil as a reflex, it seems...

How much you must fear the simple truths
I've posted.

posted 06-06-2003 12:10 AM            

I want to know who I'm heiling? Bush? Funny considering I've never supported him, something of which I've said many times here, just to get it across. I don't see anywhere in this thread I have said something supporting Bush, or Republicans.

Go ahead, look for your self.

What truths do I fear Shatoga, please tell me. I want to know what truths you have posted that I run from.

posted 06-06-2003 06:04 AM            

By: Alan Stang

The old labels no longer seem to work. In the past we all remember,
ideological contestants were either left or right, liberal or conservative.
It was easy
to tell who was who. All you had to do was measure a man against a generally
accepted standard. Today, the terms "liberal" and "conservative" have been
deliberately fudged to such an extent that they mean little if anything at
all.

In the 19th century, a liberal was someone who wanted to restrain the
government. In the 20th century, the totalitarians stole that attractive
word, and
now it means just the opposite: someone who uses the government to restrain
the
people. In the 20th century, a conservative was what a 19th century liberal
had been: someone who wanted to restrain the government. In the 21st
century,
the totalitarians are trying to steal that attractive word.

Again commentators who want to restrain the government are being cast
adrift,
with nothing to call themselves. If you donīt know what to call yourself,
you
have lost your identity; you donīt know what you are. You are wandering
ineffectually in an ideological wasteland.

A Trotskyite is a follower of Leon Trotsky, who founded the Soviet Army,
contested with Josef Stalin for control of the Soviet Union, and lost. In
1940, in
Mexico, Stalin had him killed. There is no difference between a Trotskyite
and a Stalinist. Those names merely represent competing Communist gangs,
like
the gangs in Caponeīs Chicago. One is just as much a Communist as the other.

A while back, a gaggle of Trotskyite Communists and other totalitarians
began
the process of stealing the label "conservative." They began to call
themselves "neo-conservatives," or "neo-cons" for short. They didnīt change
what they
were, just what they were called. They still wanted the government to run
everything, as in Mother Russia.

Typically, their purpose was to drive the true conservatives out of
conservatism as they had driven them out of true liberalism; their purpose
was to make
liberty lovers homeless and ineffectual again. So, they began to say that if
you donīt believe what they believe - if you arenīt a "neo-conservative" -
you
arenīt a conservative at all; youīre disloyal. A "neo-conservative" is an
advocate of totalitarian world government.

But something they havenīt thought of seems to be happening. Todayīs liberty
lovers appear to be more sophisticated, more aware of their tactics.
Commentators on the Internet are nailing them for what they are, to such an
extent
that the neo-cons may be backing off. Is your Intrepid Correspondent wrong
in
thinking that the neo-cons are starting to reject the very label they
invented
and boasted about, starting to deny that they are neo-cons?

Indeed, now the neo-cons are complaining that if you call someone a
"neo-con"
you are a covert anti-Semite; and this is exciting because in this day and
age, here in the United States, if you have to call someone an anti-Semite,
you
are out of ideas. You are desperate. Are the neo-cons in full retreat?

Does anyone recall that the neo-cons are generally the same people who used
to warn us about "labeling?" The problem is that labeling is thinking;
labeling
is calling things what they are. A label is the name of a thing. If what you
are is no good - if you are a traitor, for instance - you wonīt want to be
called the name for it. You will want to confuse people by making
terminology
vague.

The cause of this deliberate confusion is a conspiracy, in this case a
conspiracy for world government. The members of this conspiracy - the
conspirators -
hate the very word with an overwhelming passion. They inflict their worst
opprobrium on whoever dares use it. If you dare call it a conspiracy, you
are a
"right-wing extremist," you are "insane," you are a "racist," a "sexist,"
even
the most horrifying thing a human being can be, an "anti-Semite." Notice
that,
when it suits their purposes, the conspirators can use labels very well.

So, why is it so important to call it a conspiracy? What do the conspirators
know that most Americans donīt? It is impossible to overdo the need to
explain
the difference. Suppose I tell you that you lost your job because of
"economic trends." Your wife ran off to "find herself" because "women are
crazy." Your
kid believes in government, not God, because thereīs "something in the air."
We are always at war because of "historic cycles." Sodomy is epidemic
because
we must "be fair." Illegal aliens, now called "undocumented immigrants," are
overwhelming the country because America is "such a great place to live."

What would you do? Well, what could you do about economic trends? What could
you do if women are crazy, if there is something in the air? What could you
do
about historic cycles? Not much, right? Not anything. You certainly wouldnīt
want to be unfair. And the illegal aliens are right. This is a great place
to
live. All you could do is throw up your hands and mutter. Iīm reminded of
the
humorous phrase about trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. Everything is too
vague to do anything about.

But now suppose instead I tell you that all the things I mentioned, and many
more like them, are the effects of a plan; that a few men concocted the
plan;
that their purpose is to destroy you. Suppose I explain their various
techniques and show you, for instance, the sodomite plan. Suppose I prove
that these
men deliberately drove your wife from the house in order to destroy the
family
and bring you to your knees. Suppose I name the men who have done this - the
conspirators - and tell you where to find them. What do you do now?

Now you are motivated. Now you go into action. You donīt need a
pointy-headed
commentator like your obedient servant to tell you what to do. You saddle
up,
grab the Tennessee long rifle and ride. You know where you are going.

Itīs as simple a matter as adding two and two. If you lose your money, there
is nothing you can do. If you know who stole it, there is. Itīs as simple as
knowing that for every effect, thereīs a cause. You may not immediately know
the cause, but you know one is out there, waiting to be discovered.

One of the arguments the conspirators have used to deny their existence -
just as the neo-cons are denying their existence now - is to say that
conspiratologists hopelessly oversimplify. They accuse us of attributing
everything to
one cause: some nameless conspiracy. They say we completely ignore the
infinite
complexity of human motivation.

Typically, just the opposite is true. In the impossible "just happens" world
they try to impose, everything decisive happens for just one reason, or,
rathe
r, for no reason. It "just happens." That is the explanation they offer for
every one of the sample disasters I mentioned above. All of them, and so
many
more like them, "just happen." The only things you can do about them are
say,
"Duh," and scratch your head.

On the contrary, once you understand that a conspiracy is at work, the
complexity starts. Because the conspirators are master dissemblers,
considerable
research is required to learn who they are, where they are, how they work,
what
they want and where they are going. Why do they do it? What is their reward?
We
are talking here about what can be a lifelong study, involving almost
infinite permutations.

Certainly, one of the most important aspects of the conspiracy is its
tactics. The conspirators are eminently practical. They know they will face
opposition; they know they canīt wish it away. So they always try to control
both sides
of an issue. They do that either by infiltrating the opposition, perverting
it and subtly taking control - exactly as the neo-cons have done - or they
create and operate their own opposition, which they have done in the case of
media
celebrities like William F. Buckley, Jr., for instance.

Look at people like Hannity, Savage, Limbaugh and OīReilly, for instance. Am
I saying that these people have Conspiracy membership cards in their
wallets,
attend Conspiracy meetings and get paychecks from The Conspiracy, Inc.? Of
course not! Such an analysis would be the typical caricature the
conspirators
claim we conspiratologists believe. The prima facie reason it doesnīt work
that
way is the fact that men as supremely brilliant as the conspirators for
world
government would never take into their confidence a boob as overwhelmingly
stupid as Sean Hannity, for instance.

No, what they do instead is simply promote a man who says without prompting
what they want him to say. They donīt even need to tell such a flunky he is
working for them. As long as he stays with the program, he advances. If he
steps
out of line he is canned. A good example of the process is Alexander
Solzhenitsyn. Remember him? Few Americans probably do.

The Prostitute National Press used to mention him every day. He wasnīt a
conspirator. Not at all! But what he was saying at the moment - exposing the
Soviet gulag - accidentally coincided with the Conspiracyīs purpose at the
time.
Then he made the famous speech at Harvard, in which he exposed the spiritual
paucity of the West and explained what is wrong here - and this world famous
novelist disappeared from our media instantly and completely, proving our
point.
Alexander who?

posted 06-28-2003 09:40 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by ChemCaptain:
lol, you just keep trying to keep this thread alive don't you Shatty.

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