posted 02-28-2003 11:53 AM            

Civil rights in america

Tonight at 8:30PM est.

This Friday, February 28th, watch Bill Moyers' interview of Nat Hentoff on NOW with Bill Moyers, on PBS.

Many visitors to this web site learned about the grassroots movement to restore civil liberties from articles written by legendary syndicated columnist Nat Hentoff. Hentoff's next book, The War on the Bill of Rights-And the Rising Resistance, examines the growth of organized resistance as more citizens realize their rights are endangered.

posted 03-05-2003 03:08 PM            

While liberals and reds are being blamed by Christians of bringing a Communist manifesto, here's who was spirited into America, backed by Republicans and Cons, to infiltrate our country. Read the blurb about Richard Gehlen. Single-Handedly started the fabrication known as the Cold War. Communists and Nazis running America....Just Great.

posted 03-05-2003 03:26 PM            

what a great guy

posted 03-05-2003 03:51 PM            

The only righties I'm trusting these days are Pat Buchanan, William Safire, and Nat Hentoff (I'm sure I missed a few). They are Traditional Conservatives. Fighting for The Constitution, same as Moyers. If the selling of tapes is the only issue, that's certainly not enough for me to hate the guy.

posted 03-05-2003 04:38 PM            

I'm not the biggest fan of PBS because I think they are somewhat controlled by the the big foundations who sponsor them ..BUT.

At the same time..I see no other programs talking about the hard questions concerning civil liberties like Moyers has. Exept public access cable and sat.

Seeker thinks is perfectly okay for FOX, NBC, and CBS to take in billions of dollars of corporate funding to keep them afloat...

..but perfectly okay with public televisions funding getting slashed...yet complaining when public TV tries to make up the difference by offering products.

posted 03-05-2003 08:15 PM            

I have sinus problems which are worse at some seasons and aggravated by a history of fights (martial arts/ golden gloves/military service) which caused my nose to be broken several times.

I sincerely wish we worked at the same place and you could call ME 'to my face' a mouth breather.
I could then demonstrate how a 'proud'
service connected Liberal disabled Nam 'Veteran' is still able to make a point.

I disagree with Mech at times
(and he disagrees with me often)
but he posts more truth than most.

BJM never posted one single truthful statement in the months I've read this forum.

Making things personal reminds me of the techniques used by PR professionals.
Fortunately, you are not IMHO professional grade. So I make no allegations.

posted 03-05-2003 09:01 PM            

>>bill moyers besides being a flaming hypocritical libbie...makes shows for pbs like the one mentioned above is paid by pbs (tax payers) and turns right around and sells the video tapes of the taxpayer funded shows at 100% profit....<<

you said :

..but perfectly okay with public televisions funding getting slashed...yet complaining when public TV tries to make up the difference by offering products.

another reason to distrust mech...poor observation skills...pbs should be cut altogether...and or funded from it's own stuff like barney and sesame street...big money there toad...

one more time mech moyers gets paid by pbs (taxpayers) to make the shows...he copies the shows and sells them for HIS profit none goes to pbs as a re-coup ! this is public info... YOU STUPID MAN !

I DO NOT WANT you watching my back in some emergency situation...you'd get us killed !

posted 03-05-2003 10:09 PM            

I am NOT making apologies for defending Mech. As I've said before, I enjoy the conversations. with him. I just wish you two could bury the hatchet (not in each other's head) and JUST DISAGREE RESPECTFULLY.

posted 03-05-2003 10:51 PM            

Too bad you can't focus on the REAL issues instead of namecalling. I see what your real intentions are here. They aren't truthseeking or sharing...that's for sure.

Seeker...what can I say exept you and I see things 180 degrees different. Most likely there is NO changing that either.

I'll let people reading this thread figure out where the REAL truth is.

posted 03-05-2003 11:42 PM            

NPR, PBS going out of business?
By Dr. D. Bunk
http://www.cnet.com/techtrends/0-7311128-8-7312877-1.html

Have you heard the news? The NEA, NPR, and PBS are going out of business because Congress has cut their financing.

Well, that's what a petition has been saying since 1995, and it has been winding its way through the Internet ever since, all the while gathering more and more signatures.

Although the e-mail claims the petition will end up on the president and vice president of the United States' desks, it is not true. The e-mail petition is only a cruel Internet hoax.

According to a statement on the University of Northern Colorado's Web site, the e-mail petition was started five years ago by two well-meaning students who became concerned that NEA (National Endowment for the Arts) cutbacks and congressional whittling away of PBS (Public Broadcasting System) and NPR (National Public Radio) funding would finally lead to their demise. Their concern took the form of this anonymous e-mail chain letter. Cutbacks have happened, but these organizations have found ways to survive. According to the CIAC, a Web site sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy that monitors hoaxes online, the two students were reprimanded for starting the chain letter.

Even if the petition is false, the message has a ring of truth, which is why it's such a cruel hoax.

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Federal financing of PBS, NPR, and the NEA has fallen over the years,

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but the petition's doomsday message is, at the very least, overblown.

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According to Jeffery Dvorkin, the ombudsman (independent auditor) at NPR ,the organization receives less than 2 percent of its budget from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the federal government's funding agency for public broadcasting. The rest is from state and local governments, corporate underwriters and, of course, listeners like you.(Mech: IE CONTRIBUTIONS AND "VIDEOTAPES")

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On the other hand, according to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting's (CPB) Web site, the entire public broadcasting industry, both radio and TV, receives less than half of its financing from federal, state, and local government sources. In 1997, only 13 percent (or $250 million) came from the federal government. The FAQ states that since 1995, when the e-mail first originated, Congress has cut CPB funding by $100 million--or almost half.

The NEA has also seen its financing cut back. Since 1995, when a young crop of conservative Republicans led by Newt Gingrich took control of Congress, NEA funding has been slashed. According to the NEA, government funding was cut by almost half from 1994 to 1998. In 1994, NEA funding stood at $170 million; by the beginning of 1998 it was close to $85 million.

Just to give you a sense of comparison, according to an NEA graph, total federal, state, and local government spending on the arts in the United States in 1999 equaled about $6 per citizen. That's the LOWEST ON THE LIST. The next one up is Ireland, which spends $9 per person. To put that in context, Ireland's gross domestic product (GDP) as of 1998 was $68 billion, while the U.S. GDP for the same year was $8.5 trillion. Finland is at the top of the list, spending $91 per person on the arts with a GDP of almost $100 billion.

The moral of this story is to be highly suspicious of e-mail chain letters, even if they seem to reflect a real problem or issue such as this one does. They are the armchair activist's conscience Band-Aid—just sit, click, and feel good about yourself. Unfortunately, e-mail petitions and chain letters just don't work. They waste valuable Internet resources and annoy those who receive them. So when you get an e-mail petition claiming to cure all of the worlds' ills, you have yourself a classic Internet hoax.

Yours truly,
Dr. D. Bunk, e-hoax specialist

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Nah...but OMG how dare PBS offer videos after their budgets are slashed! How dare they!

Mech smiles

posted 03-06-2003 03:24 AM            

you always have redemption available...go into the light mech....

>snort<

the "watch your back " was an illustration of how much a *fire in the theater* type guy you been...counting on reliable info and good observation skills would be a liability with you...that's all...

posted 03-06-2003 03:37 AM            

snip

As a member of the narrow, unrepresentative elite group that has spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the last decade trying to ram leftist propaganda down the throats of unsuspecting millions, Moyers and his friends have betrayed the citizens of this country in their battle to advance an anti-capitalist, anti-American agenda so wicked that the "citizens" Moyers refers to would surely reject it outright if they knew the truth.

posted 03-06-2003 03:49 AM            

Ah yes...Frontpage Magazine. The same online pub that calls for a "boycott of all French goods"...and home of "whore-o-wits".

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

I don't buy it.

A CORRUPT government (ours) continues to piss on the Constitution and spy on its own citizens. It is hardly being talked about.

People are a little pissed off about that.

Haven't you noticed?

That is why so many towns are BOYCOTTING THE PATRIOT ACT.

Fool.

You call that a "leftist" agenda?

posted 03-06-2003 08:44 AM            

Mech: I certainly am not trolling here. I want to see the truth. I research for the truth. Most of what I see you cut and paste here may be published on the net, but are you seeking the truth ever? I lump people like Alex Jones, Bill Moyer, Jerry Springer, etc. into one group of people, they are out there for one thing and one thing only, MONEY. They will do anything for it and a lot of people fall for it and buy into it. They don't care about the truth.

Truth is after 9/11, we are gonna lose some liberties. The way the United States is going about it is fine with me. I say check everyone out. If you have nothing to hide then there should be no problems. If they ( the Government ) pushes to far then I know the people of this great land will push back with a vengence. I support America and all Americans and will take up arms against all who try and tread on us. I will continue to seek the truth about what this forum was all started about, Chemtrails and am calling upon all my resources in healthcare to try and hash this out. I still don't believe in them but you never know.

posted 03-06-2003 08:53 AM            

Anybody..Veterans, Military, Liberals, Conservatives, Police, Peace Activists, Popes, Presidents, and Forum posters.

posted 03-06-2003 12:05 PM            

Too bad people go through the roof when civil rights are defended.

I guess "security" is more important than "LIBERTY" and the CONSTITUTION.

PV... You are pissing on your oath as well...as far as I am concerned if you go along with Bush's Homelnd Security Act. Period.

posted 03-06-2003 06:27 PM            

Some other 'bashers' said:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American Public." - Theodore Roosevelt

"Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, we may never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

Seems to me we could all disagree with each other and show respect for freedom of speech, both at the same time.

From Catch-22: the greatest American novel of all time! (IMHO)
"Morale was deteriorating and it was all Yossarian's fault. The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them."

posted 03-06-2003 10:54 PM            

Quote:
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, February 22, 1787

"The spirit of resistance to government
is so valuable on certain occasions,
that I wish it to be always kept alive."

I wonder what Jefferson would say . . . .
http://www.orwelltoday.com/

posted 03-07-2003 12:12 AM            

he did not say :

bush is hitler

bush lied about 9-11

bush is a baby killer

bush and stalin are the same

bush and hussien are the same

bush and bin laden are the same

folks who say these baseless assinine unverified non-factual things need their nipple twisted...

simple as that...

read here more than once a month chief

posted 03-07-2003 01:21 AM            

Quote:
Thomas Jefferson,
letter to Abigail Adams,
February 22, 1787

"The spirit of resistance to government
is so valuable on certain occasions,
that I wish it to be always kept alive."

Quote:
by Seeker

"folks who say these baseless assinine unverified non-factual things need their nipple twisted..."

Your sadistic nature is showing again.
Please refrain from posting this
offensive trash.