posted 03-12-2003 02:30 AM            

by the DARKSIDE !!! you dolt !

if you didn't spend so much time looking at porn...you might catch a few movies...

posted 03-12-2003 02:40 AM            

Don't sweat it Mech. Somebodies in for a monumental surprise. And this time, I don't think that the disgusting, putrid attitude, will go over very well.

posted 03-12-2003 06:08 AM            

I used to believe G.W. Bush, I voted for him. I was wrong about him.
He is nothing but another NWO shill. Until he renounces skull and bones and invokes the name of Jesus Christ in his frequent for public consumption pseudo Christian prayers, I will not believe he is a "born again" Christian.

posted 03-12-2003 03:48 PM            

the reason for the penalty was transfer to boston (full time student) and the number of days he was supposed to have was cut short by the transfer...

"the grounded" was due to not getting a physical...had nothing to do with aviation skills...

now mark sky would say he skipped his physical because bush is a reptilian...

you all say drugs...

has bush ever answered why he missed his physical ?

I'm really surprised at the leap you took between bush supporter and bush basher kook...I keep turning over these incriminating leaves of yours and they render nothing unusual...

of course your reasoning is yours...

posted 03-13-2003 10:37 PM            

"nwo shill"...."nwo plan".........

I keep seeing this repeated over and over again...

posted 03-14-2003 02:08 AM            

KAOS !

posted 03-14-2003 08:28 AM            

Still Don't
Believe In The New World Order?

 Revelations
From Great And Powerful Men

I have heard most
of these quotes from lectures by Dr. Stan Montieth on Radio Liberty, and
also from Dennis Cuddy -- I recommend that you frequent Radio
Liberty and also purchase Dr. Cuddy's book Secret
Records Revealed : The Men, the Money, and the Methods Behind the New World
Order if these quotes bother you.]

"We are not going to achieve a new world
order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." Arthur
Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops
entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot].
Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told
that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial"
invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened
our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead
to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown.
When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly
relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the
World Government." Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference,
Evians, France, 1991 

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies
is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism
under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy?
Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope,
generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." Congressman
Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot
down by the Soviets 

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New
York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors
have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion
for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop
our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity
during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared
to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an
intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto
determination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller,
founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The
Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

 "The idea was that those who direct the overall
conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies
[ marxism / fascism / socialism v. democracy / capitalism] to enable
them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human
race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed
into fighting and destroying each other." Myron Fagan "No one will enter the New World Order unless
he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the
New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." David Spangler,
Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

 "In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the
steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations,
got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to
select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient
number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They
found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest
papers. "An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers
was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished
for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the
questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things
of national and international nature considered vital to the interests
of the purchasers." U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917 

"The world can therefore seize the opportunity
[Persian Gulf crisis] to fulfill the long-held promise of a New World Order
where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the
universal aspirations of mankind." George Herbert Walker Bush "In the next century, nations as we know it will
be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National
sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all." Strobe Talbot, President
Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

 "We shall have world government whether or not
you like it, by conquest or consent." Statement by Council on Foreign
Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee
on February 17th, l950

 "The world is governed by very different personages
from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." Benjamin
Disraeli, first Prime Minister of England, in a novel he published in 1844
called Coningsby, the New Generation "The governments of the present day have to deal
not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers,
but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous
agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans. "
British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876 

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had
men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United
States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something.
They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle,
so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better
not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913) 

"What is important is to dwell upon the increasing
evidence of the existence of a secret conspiracy, throughout the world,
for the destruction of organized government and the letting loose of evil." Christian Science Monitor editorial, June 19th,
l920

 "The real menace of our republic is this invisible
government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city,
state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover
of a self created screen....At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller
Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally
referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international
bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish
purposes. They practically control both political parties." New York City
Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922

 "From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx,
Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been
steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable
role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring
of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this
band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities
of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their
head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press,
in l922

. "We are at present working discreetly with all
our might to wrest this mysterious force called sovereignty out of the
clutches of the local nation states of the world." Professor Arnold
Toynbee, in a June l931 speech before the Institute for the Study of International
Affairs in Copenhagen.

 "The government of the Western nations, whether
monarchical or republican, had passed into the invisible hands of a plutocracy,
international in power and grasp. It was, I venture to suggest, this semioccult
power which....pushed the mass of the American people into the cauldron
of World War I." British military historian Major General J.F.C.
Fuller, l941

 "For a long time I felt that FDR had developed
many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the
United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition,
as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council
on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto,
like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition"
in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus
paid off and returned his internationalist political support. "The UN is but a long-range, international banking
apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group
of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power. "The depression was the calculated 'shearing'
of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden
shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One
World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired
full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation
of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank." Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law
as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law 

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I
know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government
ever since the days of Andrew Jackson." A letter written by FDR to
Colonel House, November 21st, l933

 "The real rulers in Washington are invisible,
and exercise power from behind the scenes." Supreme Court Justice Felix
Frankfurter, 1952

 "Fifty men have run America, and that's a high
figure." Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July 26th, l936 issue of
The New York Times.

 "Today the path of total dictatorship in the United
States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress,
the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government.
We have operating within our government and political system, another body
representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite. Senator William Jenner, 1954 

"The case for government by elites is irrefutable" Senator William Fulbright, Former chairman of
the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, stated at a 1963 symposium
entitled: The Elite and the Electorate - Is Government by the People
Possible?

 "The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the
vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests
by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The
Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize
control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary,
intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends
is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments
of the nation states involved. As managers and creators of the system ,they
will rule the future." U.S.
Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: With No Apologies.

 "The powers of financial capitalism had another
far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial
control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each
country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be
controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting
in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings
and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International
Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled
by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations.
The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world
economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers
and the indirect injury of all other economic groups." Tragedy
and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966,)
Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, highly esteemed by
his former student, William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. 

"The Council on Foreign Relations is "the establishment."
Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions
at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it
also announces and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below,
to justify the high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign
Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one-world dictatorship."
Former Congressman John Rarick 1971

 "The directors of the CFR (Council on Foreign
Relations) make up a sort of Presidium for that part of the Establishment
that guides our destiny as a nation." The Christian Science Monitor,
September 1, l961 

"The New World Order will have to be built from
the bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the end run around
national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more
than the old fashioned frontal assault." CFR member Richard Gardner, writing
in the April l974 issue of the CFR's journal, Foreign Affairs.

 "The planning of UN can be traced to the 'secret
steering committee' established by Secretary [of State Cordell] Hull in
January 1943. All of the members of this secret committee, with the exception
of Hull, a Tennessee politician, were members of the Council on Foreign
Relations. They saw Hull regularly to plan, select, and guide the labors
of the [State] Department's Advisory Committee. It was, in effect, the
coordinating agency for all the State Department's postwar planning."
Professors Laurence H. Shoup and William Minter, writing in their study
of the CFR, "Imperial Brain Trust: The CFR and United States Foreign Policy."
(Monthly Review Press, 1977). 

"The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups
have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender
of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want
to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to
increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably
lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded
for "the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty
and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government." Harpers, July l958

"The old world order changed when this war-storm
broke. The old international order passed away as suddenly,
as unexpectedly, and as completely as if it had been wiped out by a gigantic
flood, by a great tempest, or by a volcanic eruption. The old world
order died with the setting of that day's sun and a new world order
is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems
almost incredible that life could come out of such fearful suffering
and such overwhelming sorrow." -- Nicholas Murray Butler, in an address
delivered before the Union League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 1915

 "The peace conference has assembled. It will make
the most momentous decisions in history, and upon these decisions
will rest the stability of the new world order and the future peace of
the world." M. C. Alexander, Executive Secretary of the American
Association for International Conciliation, in a subscription
letter for the periodical International Conciliation (1919) 

"If there are those who think we are to jump immediately
into a new world order, actuated by complete understanding
and brotherly love, they are doomed to disappointment. If we are ever
to approach that time, it will be after patient and persistent effort of
long duration. The present international situation of mistrust and fear
can only be corrected by a formula of equal status, continuously applied,
to every phase of international contacts, until the cobwebs of the old
order are brushed out of the minds of the people of all lands." Dr. Augustus O. Thomas, president of the World
Federation of Education Associations (August 1927), quoted in the book
International Understanding: Agencies Educating for a New World
(1931) 

"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely
towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays
and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world
system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will
die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we
have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents,
many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people." H. G. Wells, in his book entitled The New World
Order (1939)

 "The term Internationalism has been popularized
in recent years to cover an interlocking financial, political, and economic
world force for the purpose of establishing a World Government. Today
Internationalism is heralded from pulpit and platform as a 'League
of Nations' or a 'Federated Union' to which the United States must surrender
a definite part of its National Sovereignty. The World Government plan
is being advocated under such alluring names as the 'New International
Order,' 'The New World Order,' 'World Union Now,' 'World Commonwealth of
Nations,' 'World Community,' etc. All the terms have the same objective;
however, the line of approach may be religious or political according to
the taste or training of the individual." Excerpt from A Memorial to be
Addressed to the House of Bishops and the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies
of the Protestant Episcopal Church in General Convention (October 1940)

 "In the first public declaration on the Jewish
question since the outbreak of the war, Arthur Greenwood, member without
portfolio in the British War Cabinet, assured the Jews of the United States
that when victory was achieved an effort would be made to found a new world
order based on the ideals of 'justice and peace.'" Excerpt from article entitled "New World Order
Pledged to Jews," in The New York Times (October 1940)

 "If totalitarianism wins this conflict, the world
will be ruled by tyrants, and individuals will be slaves. If democracy
wins, the nations of the earth will be united in a commonwealth of free
peoples, and individuals, wherever found, will be the sovereign units of
the new world order." The Declaration of the Federation of the World, produced
by the Congress on World Federation, adopted by the Legislatures of North
Carolina (1941), New Jersey (1942), Pennsylvania (1943), and possibly other
states. "New World Order Needed for Peace: State Sovereignty
Must Go, Declares Notre Dame Professor" Title of article in The
Tablet (Brooklyn) (March 1942)

 "Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles tonight
called for the early creation of an international organization of anti-Axis
nations to control the world during the period between the armistice at
the end of the present war and the setting up of a new world order on a
permanent basis." Text of article in The Philadelphia Inquirer
(June 1942) 

"The statement went on to say that the spiritual
teachings of religion must become the foundation for the new world order
and that national sovereignty must be subordinate to the higher moral law
of God." American Institute of Judaism, excerpt from article in The
New York Times (December 1942) 

"There are some plain common-sense considerations
applicable to all these attempts at world planning. They can be briefly
stated: 1. To talk of blueprints for the future or building a world order
is, if properly understood, suggestive, but it is also dangerous. Societies
grow far more truly than they are built. A constitution for a new world
order is never like a blueprint for a skyscraper." Norman Thomas, in his
book What Is Our Destiny? (1944) 

"He [John Foster Dulles] stated directly to me
that he had every reason to believe that the Governor [Thomas E. Dewey
of New York] accepts his point of view and that he is personally convinced
that this is the policy that he would promote with great vigor if elected.
So it is fair to say that on the first round the Sphinx of Albany has established
himself as a prima facie champion of a strong and definite new world order."
Excerpt from article by Ralph W. Page in The Philadelphia Bulletin (May
1944) 

"Alchemy for a New World Order" -- article by
Stephen John Stedman in Foreign Affairs (May/June 1995)

 "The United Nations, he told an audience at Harvard
University, 'has not been able--nor can it be able--to shape a new world
order which events so compellingly demand.' ... The new world order that
will answer economic, military, and political problems, he said, 'urgently
requires, I believe, that the United States take the leadership among all
free peoples to make the underlying concepts and aspirations of national
sovereignty truly meaningful through the federal approach.'" Gov. Nelson
Rockefeller of New York, in an article entitled "Rockefeller Bids Free
Lands Unite: Calls at Harvard for Drive to Build New World Order" -- The
New York Times (February 1962) 

"The developing coherence of Asian regional thinking
is reflected in a disposition to consider problems and loyalties
in regional terms, and to evolve regional approaches to development needs
and to the evolution of a new world order." Richard Nixon, in Foreign
Affairs (October 1967)

 "He [President Nixon] spoke of the talks as a
beginning, saying nothing more about the prospects for future contacts
and merely reiterating the belief he brought to China that both nations
share an interest in peace and building 'a new world order.'" Excerpt from
an article in The New York Times (February 1972)

 "If instant world government, Charter review,
and a greatly strengthened International Court do not provide the answers,
what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who
seek simple solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially
to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies, not in building up a few ambitious
central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as
was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized,
disorderly and pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions
of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to deal with specific problems
on a case-by-case basis ... In short, the 'house of world order' will have
to be built from the bottom up rather than f rom the top down. It will
look like a great 'booming, buzzing confusion,' to use William James' famous
description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding
it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal
assault." Richard N. Gardner, in Foreign Affairs (April 1974)

 "The existing order is breaking down at a very
rapid rate, and the main uncertainty is whether mankind can exert a positive
role in shaping a new world order or is doomed to await collapse in a passive
posture. We believe a new order will be born no later than early in the
next century and that the death throes of the old and the
birth pangs of the new will be a testing time for the human species." Richard
A. Falk, in an article entitled "Toward a New World Order: Modest Methods
and Drastic Visions," in the book On the Creation of a Just World Order
(1975) 

"My country's history, Mr. President, tells us
that it is possible to fashion unity while cherishing diversity, that common
action is possible despite the variety of races, interests, and beliefs
we see here in this chamber. Progress and peace and justice are attainable.
So we say to all peoples and governments: Let us fashion together a new
world order." Henry Kissinger, in address before the General Assembly of
the United Nations, October 1975) 

"At the old Inter-American Office in the Commerce
Building here in Roosevelt's time, as Assistant Secretary of State
for Latin American Affairs under President Truman, as chief whip
with Adlai Stevenson and Tom Finletter at the founding of the United Nations
in San Francisco, Nelson Rockefeller was in the forefront of the
struggle to establish not only an American system of political and economic
security but a new world order." Part of article in The New York
Times (November 1975)

 "A New World Order" -- Title of article on commencement
address at the University of Pennsylvania by Hubert H. Humphrey,
printed in the Pennsylvania Gazette (June 1977)

 "Further global progress is now possible only
through a quest for universal consensus in the movement towards a new world
order." Mikhail Gorbachev, in an address at the United
Nations (December 1988)

 "We believe we are creating the beginning of a
new world order coming out of the collapse of the U.S.-Soviet antagonisms."
Brent Scowcroft (August 1990), quoted in The Washington Post (May 1991)

 "We can see beyond the present shadows of war
in the Middle East to a new world order where the strong work together
to deter and stop aggression. This was precisely Franklin Roosevelt's and
Winston Churchill's vision for peace for the post-war period." Richard
Gephardt, in The Wall Street Journal (September 1990)

 "If we do not follow the dictates of our inner
moral compass and stand up for human life, then his lawlessness will threaten
the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this
long dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long." President
George Bush (January 1991)

 "But it became clear as time went on that in Mr.
Bush's mind the New World Order was founded on a convergence of goals and
interests between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent
that they would work as a team through the U.N. Security Council." Excerpt
from A. M. Rosenthal, in The New York Times (January 1991)

 "I would support a Presidential candidate who
pledged to take the following steps: ... At the end of the war in the Persian
Gulf, press for a comprehensive Middle East settlement and for a 'new world
order' based not on Pax Americana but on peace through law with a stronger
U.N. and World Court." George McGovern, in The New York Times (February
1991) 

"... it's Bush's baby, even if he shares its popularization
with Gorbachev. Forget the Hitler 'new order' root; F.D.R. used the phrase
earlier." William Safire, in The New York Times (February
1991) 

"How I Learned to Love the New World Order" --
Article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in Tthe Wall Street Journal (April
1992)

 How to Achieve The New World Order -- Title of
book excerpt by Henry Kissinger, in Time magazine (March 1994)

 "The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the
conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of our century, will
give birth - in Morocco - to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar
of the New World Order, along with the United Nations and the International
Monetary Fund." Part of full-page advertisement by the government
of Morocco in The New York Times (April 1994)

 "New World Order: The Rise of the Region-State"
-- Title of article by Kenichi Ohmae, political reform leader in Japan,
in The Wall Street Journal (August 1994)

 The "new world order that is in the making must
focus on the creation of a world of democracy, peace and prosperity for
all." Nelson Mandela, in The Philadelphia Inquirer
(October 1994)

 The renewal of the nonproliferation treaty was
described as important "for the welfare of the whole world and the new
world order." President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, in The New
York Times (April 1995)

posted 03-14-2003 08:52 AM            

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United States Congressional Record January 19, 1976, page 240, Representative Marjorie S. Holt (Maryland):
"Mr. Speaker, many of us recently received a letter from the World Affairs Council of Philadelphia, inviting members of Congress to participate in a ceremonial signing of "A Declaration of Interdependence" on January 30 in Congress Hall, adjacent to Independence Hall in Philadelphia.

A number of Members of Congress have been invited to sign this document, lending their prestige to its theme, but I want the record to show my strong opposition to this declaration.

It calls for the surrender of our national sovereignty to international organizations. It declares that our economy should be regulated by international authorities. It proposes that we enter a "New World Order" that would redistribute the wealth created by the American people.

Mr. Speaker, this is an obscenity that defiles our Declaration of Independence, signed 200 years ago in Philadelphia. We fought a great Revolution for independence and individual liberty, but now it is proposed that we participate in a world socialist order.

Are we a proud and free people, or are we a carcass to be picked by the jackals of the world, who want to destroy us? When one cuts through the high-flown rhetoric of this "Declaration of Interdependence," one finds key phrases that tell the story.

For example, it states that 'The economy of all nations is a seamless web, and that no one nation can any longer effectively maintain its processes of production and monetary systems without recognizing the necessity for collaborative regulation by international authorities.' How do you like the idea of "international authorities" controlling our production and our monetary system, Mr. Speaker?

How could any American dedicated to our national independence and freedom tolerate such an idea? . . . America should never subject her fate to decisions by such an assembly, unless we long for national suicide. Instead, let us have independence and freedom . . . If we surrender our independence to a "new world order" . . . we will be betraying our historic ideals of freedom and self-government. Freedom and self-government are not outdated. The fathers of our Republic fought a revolution for those ideals, which are as valid today as they ever were. Let us not betray freedom by embracing slave masters; let us not betray self-government with world government; let us celebrate Jefferson and Madison, not Marx and Lenin."

posted 03-14-2003 03:31 PM            

ok kook...let's have a look at the document...I want to see where our sovereignty has been lost...where our economy is regulated by international fellers...and how our wealth is being redistributed...

your post said jan.19 1976...should be a done deal by now...

why you guys pussyfoot around I'll never know...

posted 03-14-2003 05:46 PM            

"The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England ... (and) ... believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule
established."-- Professor of History Carroll Quigley, Georgetown University, in his book "Tragedy and Hope".

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson

"[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most
significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United
States to change it's perceptions." -- Henry Kissenger, World Affairs Council Press Conference,
Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19th 1994

"David Rockefeller is the most conspicuous representative today of the ruling class, a multinational fraternity of men who shape the global economy and manage the flow of its capital. Rockefeller was born to it, and he has made the most of it. But what some critics see as a vast international conspiracy, he considers a circumstance of life and justanother day's work... In the world of David Rockefeller it's hard to tell where business ends and politics begins" . Bill Moyers

"We know in the not too distant future, a half dozen corporations are going to control the media.
We took this step (merger) to ensure we were one of them"--Time Warner spokesperson.

"We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether
World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." -- Statement made before the
United States Senate on Feb. 7, 1950 by James Paul Warburg ("Angel" to and active in the
United World Federalists), son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob
Schiff, both of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. which poured millions into the Russian Revolution through
James' brother Max, banker to the German government - See the Siss?on Report

"All of us will ultimately be judged on the effort we have contributed to building a NEW WORLD ORDER."--Robert Kennedy, former U.S. Attorney-General, 1967.

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the
scenes."-- Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court.

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insideous forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

"For some time I have been disturbed by the way the CIA has been diverted from it's original
assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy making arm of the government." --
President Harry Truman

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House.

"The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls
its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation."-- Mayor (1918-1925) John F. Hylan of New York.

"Fundamental Bible-believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their
religious beliefs because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be
part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in." --Nebraska State Senator Peter Hoagland, speaking on radio in 1983.

"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical
Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of freedom to Americans..." "And so alot of people say there's
too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it.
That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the Housing Projects, about how
we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make the people feel safer
in their communities"--President Bill Clinton 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is Enough"

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.."--
Bill Clinton USA Today--3-11-93, page 2a

"Gun registration is not enough"--Attorney Generral Janet Reno--12-10-93--Associated Press

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms
is the goal"--Janet Reno

"If a nation values anything more than freedom, then it will lose it's freedom; and the irony of it is
that if it is comfort and security that it values, it will lose that too.Unknown Americans must decide :
Are we to be governed by Americans or by an International organization ? I, for one, owe no
alliegence to the United Nations nor will I give it any. I obey only the U.S. Constitution. You had
better think about this issue, for if the U.N. can violate the Sovereignty of Haiti, Iraq and other
countries, it can violate ours...The United States may not be the top dog 15 years from now. U.N.
security council resolutions, backed by say chinese soldiers, could be aimed at us."-Charley
Reese-Orlando Sentinel

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great
publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion
for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if
we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more
sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty
of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination
practiced in past centuries"--David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting
in June of 1991

"From the days of Sparticus, Weishaupt, Karl Marx, Trotski, belacoon, Rosa Luxenberg and
Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite
recognizable role in the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement
during the 19th century. And now at last, this band of extraordinary personalities from the under-
world of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their
head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."--Winston Churchill to
the London press in 1922.

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the
commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States.
The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate
the four centers of power--Political, Monetary, Intellectual, and Ecclesiastical."--U.S. Senator
Barry Goldwater from his 1964 book "No Apologies"

"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election....It adds up
to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!"
--George W. Malone, U.S. Senator (Nevada), speaking before Congress in1957.

"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed
Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are directed to making the United
States a member of a World Government ..." -- AMERICAN MERCURY MAGAZINE, December 1957, pg. 92.

"The Air Force is suffering from pilots who have lost faith in their generals, jet engines that still
don't work after repairs and maintenance depots with 'little quality or quantity of work being
produced', according to an internal Defense Department memorandum. The draft memo paints a
troubling picture of the state of American air power. 'The sad state of air-force readiness can be
blamed on the Clinton Administration, which treats the military as a toy to be deployed for
meals-on-wheels-type missionswithout due consideration for it's impact on readiness", said Robert
Maginnis, a retired Army Lieutenent colonel and an analyst at the conservative Family Research
Council

"The International government of the United Nations, stripped of it's legal trimming, then, is
really the International Government of the United States and the Soviet Union acting in Unison."
From the American Jewish Committee's official magazine "Commentary" of Nov. 1958, Pg. 376

"War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is inevidable. Today of course, we are not
strong enough to attack. Our time will come in 20 or 30 years...The Bourgeoisie will have to be
put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record.
There will be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid
and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. They will leap at another chance
to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, we shall smash them with our clentched fist."
Dimitry Z. Manuilsky in a speech made in 1931 before the Lenin School of Political Warfare.
(He became an officer of the U.N. Security Council in 1949)

"We must realize that we cannot co-exist eternally. One of us must go to his grave. We do not
want to go to the grave. They do not want to go to the grave, either. So what can be done? We
must push them to their grave." -- Sewren Bailer, a polish communist leader, who defected to the
west, charged that in April, 1955 Khrushchev said this to a group of Warsaw Communists.

"We operate here under directives which emulate (sic) from the White House ... The substance of
the directives under which we operate is that we shall use our grant making power to alter life in the
United States so that we can comfortably be merged with the Soviet Union." -- Rowan Gaither, President of the Ford Foundation, 1954.

"The old world order changed when this war-storm broke. The old international order passed away as
suddenly, as unexpectedly, and as completely as if it had been wiped out by a gigantic flood, by a great
tempest, or by a volcanic eruption. The old world order died with the setting of that day's sun and a new
world order is being born while I speak, with birth-pangs so terrible that it seems almost incredible that life
could come out of such fearful suffering and such overwhelming sorrow." -- Nicholas Murray Butler, in
an address delivered before the Union League of Philadelphia, Nov. 27, 1915

"The peace conference has assembled. It will make the most momentous decisions in history, and upon
these decisions will rest the stability of the new world order and the future peace of the world." -- M. C.
Alexander, Executive Secretary of the American Association for International Conciliation, in a
subscription letter for the periodical International Conciliation (1919)

"If there are those who think we are to jump immediately into a new world order, actuated by complete
understanding and brotherly love, they are doomed to disappointment. If we are ever to approach that
time, it will be after patient and persistent effort of long duration. The present international situation of
mistrust and fear can only be corrected by a formula of equal status, continuously applied, to every phase
of international contacts, until the cobwebs of the old order are brushed out of the minds of the people of
all lands." -- Dr. Augustus O. Thomas, president of the World Federation of Education Associations
(August 1927), quoted in the book "International Understanding: Agencies Educating for a New World"
(1931)

"... when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be
very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system.
Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt
to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of
them quite gallant and graceful-looking people." -- H. G. Wells, in his book entitled "The New World
Order" (1939)

"The term Internationalism has been popularized in recent years to cover an interlocking financial,
political, and economic world force for the purpose of establishing a World Government. Today
Internationalism is heralded from pulpit and platform as a 'League of Nations' or a 'Federated Union' to
which the United States must surrender a definite part of its National Sovereignty. The World
Government plan is being advocated under such alluring names as the 'New International Order,' 'The
New World Order,' 'World Union Now,' 'World Commonwealth of Nations,' 'World Community,' etc. All
the terms have the same objective; however, the line of approach may be religious or political according
to the taste or training of the individual." -- excerpt from A Memorial to be Addressed to the House of
Bishops and the House of Clerical and Lay Deputies of the Protestant Episcopal Church in General
Convention (October 1940)

"In the first public declaration on the Jewish question since the outbreak of the war, Arthur Greenwood,
member without portfolio in the British War Cabinet, assured the Jews of the United States that when
victory was achieved an effort would be made to found a new world order based on the ideals of 'justice
and peace.'" -- excerpt from article entitled "New World Order Pledged to Jews," in the New York Times
(October 1940)

"If totalitarianism wins this conflict, the world will be ruled by tyrants, and individuals will be slaves. If
democracy wins, the nations of the earth will be united in a commonwealth of free peoples, and
individuals, wherever found, will be the sovereign units of the new world order." -- The Declaration of the
Federation of the World, produced by the Congress on World Federation, adopted by the Legislatures of
North Carolina (1941), New Jersey (1942), Pennsylvania (1943), and possibly other states.

"New World Order Needed for Peace: State Sovereignty Must Go, Declares Notre Dame Professor" --
title of article in The Tablet (Brooklyn) (March 1942)

"Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles tonight called for the early creation of an international
organization of anti-Axis nations to control the world during the period between the armistice at the end of
the present war and the setting up of a new world order on a permanent basis." -- text of article in the
Philadelphia Inquirer (June 1942)

"The statement went on to say that the spiritual teachings of religion must become the foundation for the
new world order and that national sovereignty must be subordinate to the higher moral law of God." --
American Institute of Judaism, excerpt from article in the New York Times (December 1942)

"There are some plain common-sense considerations applicable to all these attempts at world planning.
They can be briefly stated: 1. To talk of blueprints for the future or building a world order is, if properly
understood, suggestive, but it is also dangerous. Societies grow far more truly than they are built. A
constitution for a new world order is never like a blueprint for a skyscraper." -- Norman Thomas, in his
book "What Is Our Destiny" (1944)

"He [John Foster Dulles] stated directly to me that he had every reason to believe that the Governor
[Thomas E. Dewey of New York] accepts his point of view and that he is personally convinced that this
is the policy that he would promote with great vigor if elected. So it is fair to say that on the first round
the Sphinx of Albany has established himself as a prima facie champion of a strong and definite new
world order." -- excerpt from article by Ralph W. Page in the Philadelphia Bulletin (May 1944)

"The United Nations, he told an audience at Harvard University, 'has not been able--nor can it be able--to
shape a new world order which events so compellingly demand.' ... The new world order that will answer
economic, military, and political problems, he said, 'urgently requires, I believe, that the United States
take the leadership among all free peoples to make the underlying concepts and aspirations of national
sovereignty truly meaningful through the federal approach.'" -- Gov. Nelson Rockefeller of New York, in
an article entitled "Rockefeller Bids Free Lands Unite: Calls at Harvard for Drive to Build New World
Order" -- New York Times (February 1962)

"The developing coherence of Asian regional thinking is reflected in a disposition to consider problems
and loyalties in regional terms, and to evolve regional approaches to development needs and to the
evolution of a new world order." -- Richard Nixon, in Foreign Affairs (October 1967)

"He [President Nixon] spoke of the talks as a beginning, saying nothing more about the prospects for
future contacts and merely reiterating the belief he brought to China that both nations share an interest in
peace and building 'a new world order.'" -- excerpt from an article in the New York Times (February
1972)

"If instant world government, Charter review, and a greatly strengthened International Court do not
provide the answers, what hope for progress is there? The answer will not satisfy those who seek simple
solutions to complex problems, but it comes down essentially to this: The hope for the foreseeable lies,
not in building up a few ambitious central institutions of universal membership and general jurisdiction as
was envisaged at the end of the last war, but rather in the much more decentralized, disorderly and
pragmatic process of inventing or adapting institutions of limited jurisdiction and selected membership to
deal with specific problems on a case-by-case basis ... In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be
built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, buzzing
confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national
sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."
-- Richard N. Gardner, in Foreign Affairs (April 1974)

"The existing order is breaking down at a very rapid rate, and the main uncertainty is whether mankind
can exert a positive role in shaping a new world order or is doomed to await collapse in a passive posture.
We believe a new order will be born no later than early in the next century and that the death throes of
the old and the birth pangs of the new will be a testing time for the human species." -- Richard A. Falk, in
an article entitled "Toward a New World Order: Modest Methods and Drastic Visions," in the book "On
the Creation of a Just World Order" (1975)

"My country's history, Mr. President, tells us that it is possible to fashion unity while cherishing diversity,
that common action is possible despite the variety of races, interests, and beliefs we see here in this
chamber. Progress and peace and justice are attainable. So we say to all peoples and governments: Let us
fashion together a new world order." -- Henry Kissinger, in address before the General Assembly of the
United Nations, October 1975)

"At the old Inter-American Office in the Commerce Building here in Roosevelt's time, as Assistant
Secretary of State for Latin American Affairs under President Truman, as chief whip with Adlai
Stevenson and Tom Finletter at the founding of the United Nations in San Francisco, Nelson Rockefeller
was in the forefront of the struggle to establish not only an American system of political and economic
security but a new world order." -- part of article in the New York Times (November 1975)

"A New World Order" -- title of article on commencement address at the University of Pennsylvania by
Hubert H. Humphrey, printed in the Pennsylvania Gazette (June 1977)

"Further global progress is now possible only through a quest for universal consensus in the movement
towards a new world order." -- Mikhail Gorbachev, in an address at the United Nations (December 1988)

"We believe we are creating the beginning of a new world order coming out of the collapse of the
U.S.-Soviet antagonisms." -- Brent Scowcroft (August 1990), quoted in the Washington Post (May 1991)

"We can see beyond the present shadows of war in the Middle East to a new world order where the
strong work together to deter and stop aggression. This was precisely Franklin Roosevelt's and Winston
Churchill's vision for peace for the post-war period." -- Richard Gephardt, in the Wall Street Journal
(September 1990)

"If we do not follow the dictates of our inner moral compass and stand up for human life, then his
lawlessness will threaten the peace and democracy of the emerging new world order we now see, this long
dreamed-of vision we've all worked toward for so long." -- President George Bush (January 1991)

"But it became clear as time went on that in Mr. Bush's mind the New World Order was founded on a
convergence of goals and interests between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, so strong and permanent that
they would work as a team through the U.N. Security Council." -- excerpt from A. M. Rosenthal, in the
New York Times (January 1991)

"I would support a Presidential candidate who pledged to take the following steps: ... At the end of the
war in the Persian Gulf, press for a comprehensive Middle East settlement and for a 'new world order'
based not on Pax Americana but on peace through law with a stronger U.N. and World Court." -- George
McGovern, in the New York Times (February 1991)

"... it's Bush's baby, even if he shares its popularization with Gorbachev. Forget the Hitler 'new order'
root; F.D.R. used the phrase earlier." -- William Safire, in the New York Times (February 1991)

"How I Learned to Love the New World Order" -- article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. in the Wall Street
Journal (April 1992)

"How to Achieve The New World Order" -- title of book excerpt by Henry Kissinger, in Time magazine
(March 1994)

"The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of
our century, will give birth - in Morocco - to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar of the New
World Order, along with the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund." -- part of full-page
advertisement by the government of Morocco in the New York Times (April 1994)

"New World Order: The Rise of the Region-State" -- title of article by Kenichi Ohmae, political reform
leader in Japan, in the Wall Street Journal (August 1994)

The "new world order that is in the making must focus on the creation of a world of democracy, peace
and prosperity for all." -- Nelson Mandela, in the Philadelphia Inquirer (October 1994)

The renewal of the nonproliferation treaty was described as important "for the welfare of the whole world
and the new world order." -- President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, in the New York Times (April 1995)

"Alchemy for a New World Order" -- article by Stephen John Stedman in Foreign Affairs (May/June
1995)

"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and
money." -- Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)

posted 03-14-2003 06:06 PM            

The recent challenge could not have been clearer. Saddam Hussein was the villain, Kuwait the victim. To the aid of this small country came nations from North America and Europe, from Asia and South America, from Africa and the Arab world, all united against aggression.

Our uncommon coalition must now work in common purpose to forge a future that should never again be held hostage to the darker side of human nature.

Tonight in Iraq, Saddam walks amidst ruin. His war machine is crushed. His ability to threaten mass destruction is itself destroyed. His people have been lied to, denied the truth. And when his defeated legions come home, all Iraqis will see and feel the havoc he has wrought. And this I promise you: for all that Saddam has done to his own people, to the Kuwaitis, and to the entire world, Saddam and those around him are accountable.

All of us grieve for the victims of war, for the people of Kuwait and the suffering that scars the soul of that proud nation. We grieve for all our fallen soldiers and their families, for all the innocents caught up in this conflict. And, yes, we grieve for the people of Iraq, a people who have never been our enemy. My hope is that one day we will once again welcome them as friends into the community of nations.

Our commitment to peace in the Middle East does not end with the liberation of Kuwait. So tonight let me outline four key challenges to be met.

First, we must work together to create shared security arrangements in the region. Our friends and allies in the Middle East recognise that they will bear the bulk of the responsibility for regional security. But we want them to know that just as we stood with them to repel aggression, so now America stands ready to work with them to secure the peace.

This does not mean stationing US ground forces on the Arabian Peninsula, but it does mean American participation in joint exercises involving both air and ground forces. It means maintaining a capable US naval presence in the region, just as we have for over 40 years. Let it be clear: our vital national interests depend on a stable and secure Gulf.

Second, we must act to control the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and the missiles used to deliver them. It would be tragic if the nations of the Middle East and Persian Gulf were now, in the wake of war, to embark on a new arms race. Iraq requires special vigilance. Until Iraq convinces the world of its peaceful intentions – that its leaders will not use new revenues to re-arm and rebuild its menacing war machine – Iraq must not have access to the instruments of war.

And third, we must work to create new opportunities for peace and stability in the Middle East. On the night I announced Operation Desert Storm, I expressed my hope that out of the horrors of war might come new momentum for peace. We have learned in the modern age geography cannot guarantee security and security does not come from military power alone.

All of us know the depth of bitterness that has made the dispute between Israel and its neighbours so painful and intractable. Yet, in the conflict just concluded, Israel and many of the Arab states have for the first time found themselves confronting the same aggressor. By now, it should be plain to all parties that peacemaking in the Middle East requires compromise. At the same time, peace brings real benefits to everyone. We must do all that we can to close the gap between Israel and the Arab states – and between Israelis and Palestinians. The tactics of terror lead nowhere. There can be no substitute for diplomacy.

A comprehensive peace must be grounded in United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338 and the principle of territory for peace. This principle must be elaborated to provide for Israel’s security and recognition, and at the same time for legitimate Palestinian political rights. Anything else would fail the twin tests of fairness and security. The time has come to put an end to Arab-Israeli conflict.

The war with Iraq is over. The quest for solutions to the problem in Lebanon, in the Arab-Israeli dispute, and in the Gulf must go forward with new vigour and determination. And I guarantee you: no one will work harder for a stable peace in the region than we will.

Fourth, we must foster economic development for the sake of peace and progress. The Persian Gulf and Middle East form a region rich in natural resources with a wealth of untapped human potential. Resources once squandered on military might must be redirected to more peaceful ends. We are already addressing the immediate economic consequences of Iraq’s aggression. Now the challenge is to reach higher – to foster economic freedom and prosperity for all people of the region.

By meeting these four challenges, we can build a framework for peace. I’ve asked Secretary of State Baker to go to the Middle East to begin the process. He will go to listen, to probe, to offer suggestions, and to advance the search for peace and stability. I have also asked him to raise the plight of the hostages held in Lebanon. We have not forgotten them, and we will not forget them.

To all the challenges that confront this region of the world, there is no single solution, no solely American answer. But we can make a difference. America will work tirelessly as a catalyst for positive change.

But we cannot lead a new world abroad if, at home, it’s politics as usual on American defense and diplomacy. It’s time to turn away from the temptation to protect unneeded weapons systems and obsolete bases. It’s time to put an end to micro-management of foreign and security assistance programs, micro-management that humiliates our friends and allies and hamstrings our diplomacy. It’s time to rise above the parochial and the pork barrel, to do what is necessary, what’s right and what will enable this nation to play the leadership role required of us.

The consequences of the conflict in the Gulf reach far beyond the confines of the Middle East. Twice before in this century, an entire world was convulsed by war. Twice this century, out of the horrors of war hope emerged for enduring peace. Twice before, those hopes proved to be a distant dream, beyond the grasp of man.

Until now, the world we’ve known has been a world divided – a world of barbed wire and concrete block, conflict and cold war.

Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfil the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations.

The Gulf war put this new world to its first test, and, my fellow Americans, we passed that test.

For the sake of our principles, for the sake of the Kuwaiti people, we stood our ground. Because the world would not look the other way, Ambassador [Saud Nasir] al-Sabah, to-night, Kuwait is free.

posted 03-14-2003 06:08 PM               

I just finished a book which some of you would enjoy and benefit from reading, I would challenge Seek to purchase and read it, but I know he won't even consider it.

"Silencing Political Dissent - How
Post-September 11 Anti-Terrorisim Measures Threaten Our Civil Liberties" by Nancy Chang and the Center for Constitutional Rights

An Open Media Book
Seven Stories Press

posted 03-14-2003 06:09 PM            

PUTIN SPEAKS OF NEW WORLD ORDER

President Vladimir Putin of the Russian Federation spoke of a new concept of politics, based not upon fear but upon the political will of peoples.

Responding to Washington’s unilateral bid to downsize its nuclear arsenal by two thirds, President Putin declared that Moscow would do the same, over three phases, until a minimum number necessary for national security was reached. This should be around 2,000 nuclear warheads each, creating a strategic balance.

He declared that “Our countries have stopped hating each other, which allows both of us to get rid of what was a terror for the world, namely nuclear arsenals and other weapons of mass destruction”.

Regarding the new world order, the Russian president stated that “We do not need to frighten each other any more to reach agreements. It is not piles of scrap that create security. Security is created by the political will of peoples, States and their leaders”.

The new world order, based very firmly on the Moscow-London-Washington axis, is cemented on mutual trust, collaboration and friendship, instead of the suspicion, hatred and deceit apparent during the Cold War years.

posted 03-14-2003 11:14 PM            

reposting hoping kook can find that document !

It calls for the surrender of our national sovereignty to international organizations. It declares that our economy should be regulated by international authorities. It proposes that we enter a "New World Order" that would redistribute the wealth created by the American people.
ok kook...let's have a look at the document...I want to see where our sovereignty has been lost...where our economy is regulated by international fellers...and how our wealth is being redistributed...

your post said jan.19 1976...should be a done deal by now...

why you guys pussyfoot around I'll never know...

posted 03-15-2003 12:20 AM            

this is what cracks *me* up...this "it" the document that government officials were supposed to sign...right next door to where "our" document was signed...would be *proof*

explain why you reject posting proof in whole or part of what you accuse ?

posted 03-15-2003 01:03 AM            

"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day." Theodore Roosevelt
President Eisenhower's farewell address to the nation, January 1961
"In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."

"There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by... corporations. The power of all corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses." It's one of the reasons why the word "corporation" doesn't exist in the constitution - they were to be chartered only by states, so local people could keep a close eye on them." James Madison, Father of the Constitution
"In this point of the case the question is distinctly presented whether the people of the United States are to govern through representatives chosen by their unbiased suffrages or whether the money and power of a great corporation are to be secretly exerted to influence their judgment and control their decisions." Andrew Jackson
"I am more than ever convinced of the dangers to which the free and unbiased exercise of political opinion - the only sure foundation and safeguard of republican government - would be exposed by any further increase of the already overgrown influence of corporate authorities." Martin van Buren
"As a result of the war," Lincoln continued, "corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless." Abraham Lincoln
"As we view the achievements of aggregated capital, we discover the existence of trusts, combinations, and monopolies, while the citizen is struggling far in the rear or is trampled to death beneath an iron heel. Corporations, which should be the carefully restrained creatures of the law and the servants of the people, are fast becoming the people's masters." Grover Cleveland
"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day." Theodore Roosevelt

I seek to know why Americans cannot recall the last nation in which one partys'
members refused to listen to or read anything other than from sources within, or approved by, their party leaders.

I seek to understand why good Christian conservative Germans could live downwind of the ovens,
brush ashes off their clothes before going into church,
Listen to their Priests and pastors exhort them to support the war and stand behind their leader,
walk back out into the soot ash and stench of the ovens and still refuse to believe in the existence of the camps;

Even after allied soldiers marched them at gunpoint past masses of rotting corpses, they refused to believe Hitler, or his party could be capable of such a thing.

Were they nuts?
Or just brainwashed by propaganda, to the point that no evidence on earth could ever convince them of the truth, because they preferred to believe lies from their own side, than to even listen to truth from anyone else.

Personally I think that,

You shouldn't try to teach a pig to sing.
It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

(Translation: furnishing evidence as demanded for off topic diversions is falling prey to; just another diversion.)

Our dear dubya has followers whose unquestioning devotion to him rivals that of her Hitler's followers.

posted 03-15-2003 11:21 AM            

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ok kook...let's have a look at the document...I want to see where our sovereignty has been lost...where our economy is regulated by international fellers...and how our wealth is being redistributed...

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Let's take these backwards. Where our wealth is redistributed? You're kidding me right? Your left leaning part of your libertarianism is showing. Thought you were a Rush Limbaugh fan or don't you pay attention to what the likes of he and Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck have to say on the issue.

I won't take anymore of this thread from it's stated purpose but if you want to start a thread to really "seek" out the truth on the three issues from you're quote above, I'll be glad to join you there. I'll bring plenty of documentation especially of our tax dollars hard at work elsewhere!

Where our economy is regulated by international bankers.... See Chart http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html Before you poo poo the link because it is a patriot site the following is the original source** Source: Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate and Banking Influence. Staff Report,Committee on Banking,Currency and Housing, House of Representatives, 94th Congress, 2nd Session, August 1976.

Where our sovereignty has been lost... (this is just one generalization, we'll get on to specifics like the World Heritage Sites when you start your NWO doesn't exist thread) The stated goals in the Constitution of the United Nations are:
To consolidate all international agencies under the UN
To have authority to regulate transnational companies and financial institutions.
To have the power to tax all foreign exchange transactions and tax aircraft and shipping fuel.
To abolish the United States veto power on the Security Council and bolster UN authority to intervene in internal American conflicts (total loss of US sovereignty).
To establish a permanent UN standing army.
To make registration of all arms mandatory and gives the UN authority to reduce the size
of America’s armed forces and cut US military spending (total loss of US sovereignty).
To force US compliance to “Human Treaties” the Senate has not ratified.
To strengthen the International Criminal Court and make its jurisdiction compulsory.
To establish a global Environmental Protection Agency.
To create an International Environmental Court.
To create a commission to set limits on economic activity.

I have little time this weekend and are having trouble logging on here lately so don't take untimely responses as I'm not responding, OK?